[AusRace] Racing Digest, Vol 18, Issue 10
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I've got no intention of setting off down that road Steve, I can assure
you. Just looking to wing it on someone else's work, that's all!
Actually the more I think about it, the more sense it would make to study
sectional pars, given the final time/speed rating is so dependent on how a
race is run.
Anyone know ..............?
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> From: Steve <essbee at internode.on.net>
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> For somebody starting out on times, I would not recommend it!
> The code I have is 1400 lines long and has evolved over many years.
>
> I doubt anybody does it my way, expect for the Woods mob that I helped
> with it a good few years ago.
> Finding the standard times would be a huge task if you did not know how
> to do it.
> Just finding the averages of each class, on each going, at each track,
> for instance, is just going to waste your time, AND likely, not worth
> two bob.
>
> I can find the times and class figures for however many tracks in a
> couple of minutes these days, but it's complex.
> When momu came to me for help, they had been trying for 6 months and
> getting nowhere.
>
> Iteration where the meetings at each track are treated individually,
> instead of lumping the data from all meeting at each track together
> That way you get rid of going problems where the track one day will run
> different to another.....well you won't get rid of those problems but
> will lessen the effect of them.
> Then it's a process of trial and error.
> Guess.....test.....adjust.....test....adjust...test...until the error is
> so small it no longer exists
>
> SteveB
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> On 20/06/2018 9:44 AM, norsaintpublishing at gmail.com wrote:
> > Ok thanks Steve. I think I've got that. I guess any time has to be
> > measured against Open class and adjusted from the relative class
> > figure so might as well just use the one figure from the off.
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> > Ditto Nick
> > If you understand time stuff, then....
> > Your class figure should be some estimation of central
> > tendency(average/median/whatever) of the speeds.
> > The speed should be the individual.
> > They are both the same thing...one the overall, one the average(or
> > whatever) and that gives you your measuring stick(expectation)
> > Thus your class figure should also just be a percentage of your
> > standard
> > time.
> > For instance G1 at Flemington might be the equivalent of your
> > standard.
> > A low standard benchmark race might be only 98% of your standard.
> > Thus the G1 will be 100
> > The low one will be 80....or 20 metres per 1000 slower on average
> > SteveB
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> > On 20/06/2018 8:58 AM, norsaintpublishing at gmail.com
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> > > Interesting Lindsay. What about par times for individual
> > classes? And
> > > then somehow relating that to open par times? Does that make sense.
> > > Got to reply to all on one post, such is the manner it comes
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> > > Mike, your 81 year old brain is obviously in better shape than
> > my 60
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> > > And as for the missing posts re Stradbroke, Andrew, I didn't get
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> > >? ? ?? ?1. Par Times (mikemcbain at tpg.com.au
> > <mailto:mikemcbain at tpg.com.au> <mailto:mikemcbain at tpg.com.au
> > <mailto:mikemcbain at tpg.com.au>>)
> > >? ? ?? ?2. Test (Andrew Child)
> > >? ? ?? ?3. Re: Racing Digest, Vol 18, Issue 3 (Race Stats)
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> > >? ? ?From: <mikemcbain at tpg.com.au <mailto:mikemcbain at tpg.com.au>
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> > >? ? ?Norsaint
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> > >? ? ?Cannot be an ?age thing? or my 81yo brain would have long
> > >? ? ?forgotten it too.
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> > >? ? ?Mike.
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> > >? ? ?G'day Mike,
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> > >? ? ?? ? ? ? Thanks for the suggestion. I got that email too? but
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> > >? ? ?forgotten all about it. Must be an age thing.
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> > >? ? ?I seem to be missing stuff, according to the June archive -
> > Len's
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> > >? ? ?and four of Tony's re Stradbroke!
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> > >? ? ?Hi Nick,
> > >? ? ?Regarding Len?s suggestions regarding par times, I thought I?d
> > >? ? ?give you a little bit of extra information.
> > >? ? ?Par times by themselves are pretty nebulous as Len suggests.
> > >? ? ?If you?re familiar with Excel, here is my recommendation.
> > >? ? ?Often you will find that track record times are often on many
> > >? ? ?races one day at a venue, so obviously the track is faster than
> > >? ? ?the rating.
> > >? ? ?Forget Class records, they mean very little overall.
> > >? ? ?Take the race times and dissect them into overall time, final
> > >? ? ?sectional time and then race time minus sectional time, this
> > will
> > >? ? ?give you the pace time.
> > >? ? ?You MUST have a par time for every going condition not just
> > Soft,
> > >? ? ?you need Soft5, Soft6, Soft7.
> > >? ? ?Look at the top horses that won with fast race time, then fast
> > >? ? ?last sectional, then pace time.
> > >? ? ?You?ll soon see the impact of what is useful and what is not.
> > >? ? ?You?ll also see where the track rating is obviously wrong
> > when all
> > >? ? ?or most races are above that par.
> > >? ? ?Course manager must lodge the track going prior to 6.50am on
> > race
> > >? ? ?day, they cannot change the track rating for the day after that
> > >? ? ?period, only the Stewards or Jockeys can suggest to Stewards a
> > >? ? ?change in track rating. Ergo, there are many ratings that
> > are not
> > >? ? ?correct.
> > >? ? ?Lindsay.
> > >
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> > >? ? ?Ok thanks Len. Not sure if I'm au fait enough with the
> > concept to
> > >? ? ?come up with anything so sophisticated as an algorithm. If I
> do,
> > >? ? ?you'll be my first port of call.
> > >? ? ?Did fiddle around with ideas by Gavin Haynes a few year's
> > ago but
> > >? ? ?his stats must be outdated by now.
> > >? ? ?For some reason all the replies have come through aggregated
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> > >? ? ?? ?3. Re: Par times (L.B.Loveday)
> > >? ? ?? ?4. Re: Par times (Tony Moffat)
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> > >? ? ?Message: 2
> > >? ? ?Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2018 11:03:10 +1000
> > >? ? ?From: <mikemcbain at tpg.com.au <mailto:mikemcbain at tpg.com.au>
> > >? ? ?<mailto:mikemcbain at tpg.com.au
> > <mailto:mikemcbain at tpg.com.au>><mailto:mikemcbain at tpg.com.au
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> > >? ? ?<mailto:mikemcbain at tpg.com.au <mailto:mikemcbain at tpg.com.au
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> > >? ? ?To: "'AusRace Racing Discussion List'" <racing at ausrace.com
> > <mailto:racing at ausrace.com>
> > >? ? ?<mailto:racing at ausrace.com
> > <mailto:racing at ausrace.com>><mailto:racing at ausrace.com
> > <mailto:racing at ausrace.com>
> > >? ? ?<mailto:racing at ausrace.com <mailto:racing at ausrace.com>>>>
> > >? ? ?Subject: Re: [AusRace] Par times
> > >? ? ?Message-ID: <001f01d406a0$20e59d80$62b0d880$@tpg.com.au
> > <http://tpg.com.au>
> > >? ? ?<http://tpg.com.au><http://tpg.com.au>>
> > >? ? ?Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > >
> > >? ? ?Norsaint
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >? ? ?Neale Yardley recently made the following comment in an email?.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >? ? ??Again my thanks go to Steven Angelides from PPFA for providing
> > >? ? ?the par times. Steven is back in Australia from Hong Kong and
> is
> > >? ? ?touring Australia if anyone would like to catch up with him
> > (he is
> > >? ? ?happy to talk about Bet Selector, PPFA, Hong Kong or
> > anything else
> > >? ? ?racing related). Venues and dates are listed below but
> > please note
> > >? ? ?Steven has a new mobile number which is 0413164550. His email
> is
> > >? ? ?still the same viz <mailto:stavros at wn.com.au
> > <mailto:stavros at wn.com.au>
> > >? ? ?<mailto:stavros at wn.com.au
> > <mailto:stavros at wn.com.au>><mailto:stavros at wn.com.au
> > <mailto:stavros at wn.com.au>
> > >? ? ?<mailto:stavros at wn.com.au <mailto:stavros at wn.com.au>>>>
> > stavros at wn.com.au <mailto:stavros at wn.com.au>
> > >? ? ?<mailto:stavros at wn.com.au
> > <mailto:stavros at wn.com.au>><mailto:stavros at wn.com.au
> > <mailto:stavros at wn.com.au>
> > >? ? ?<mailto:stavros at wn.com.au <mailto:stavros at wn.com.au>>>?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >? ? ?Might be worth your while asking Steven?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >? ? ?Mike.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >? ? ?From: Racing <racing-bounces at ausrace.com
> > <mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com>
> > >? ? ?<mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com
> > <mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com>><mailto:
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> > <mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com>
> > >? ? ?<mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com
> > <mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com>>>> On Behalf Of
> > > norsaintpublishing at gmail.com <mailto:norsaintpublishing at gmail.com>
> > >? ? ?<mailto:norsaintpublishing at gmail.com
> > <mailto:norsaintpublishing at gmail.com>><mailto:
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> > <mailto:norsaintpublishing at gmail.com>
> > >? ? ?<mailto:norsaintpublishing at gmail.com
> > <mailto:norsaintpublishing at gmail.com>>>
> > >? ? ?Sent: Sunday, 17 June 2018 17:34
> > >? ? ?To: AusRace Racing Discussion List <racing at ausrace.com
> > <mailto:racing at ausrace.com>
> > >? ? ?<mailto:racing at ausrace.com
> > <mailto:racing at ausrace.com>><mailto:racing at ausrace.com
> > <mailto:racing at ausrace.com>
> > >? ? ?<mailto:racing at ausrace.com <mailto:racing at ausrace.com>>>>
> > >? ? ?Subject: [AusRace] Par times
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >? ? ??
> > >? ?
> > ?<
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> > >
> > >
> > >? ? ?Does anyone know how or where to get them for Aust courses?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >? ?
> > ??<
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> >
> > >
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> > >? ? ?Mailtrack 17/06/18, 17:33:07
> > >
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> > >
> > >? ? ?Message: 3
> > >? ? ?Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2018 11:49:07 +1000
> > >? ? ?From: "L.B.Loveday" <lloveday at ozemail.com.au
> > <mailto:lloveday at ozemail.com.au>
> > >? ? ?<mailto:lloveday at ozemail.com.au
> > <mailto:lloveday at ozemail.com.au>><mailto:lloveday at ozemail.com.au
> > <mailto:lloveday at ozemail.com.au>
> > >? ? ?<mailto:lloveday at ozemail.com.au
> > <mailto:lloveday at ozemail.com.au>>>>
> > >? ? ?To: "'AusRace Racing Discussion List'" <racing at ausrace.com
> > <mailto:racing at ausrace.com>
> > >? ? ?<mailto:racing at ausrace.com
> > <mailto:racing at ausrace.com>><mailto:racing at ausrace.com
> > <mailto:racing at ausrace.com>
> > >? ? ?<mailto:racing at ausrace.com <mailto:racing at ausrace.com>>>>
> > >? ? ?Subject: Re: [AusRace] Par times
> > >? ? ?Message-ID: <004701d406a6$8ec2dce0$ac4896a0$@ozemail.com.au
> > <http://ozemail.com.au>
> > >? ? ?<http://ozemail.com.au><http://ozemail.com.au>>
> > >? ? ?Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > >
> > >? ? ?Nick,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >? ? ?"Par times" is, to me, a nebulous term - they can be
> > calculated in
> > >? ? ?various ways, times are affected by track condition (not only
> on
> > >? ? ?the day, but by permanent upgrades such as at Gawler), rail
> > >? ? ?positioning, wind direction, riding tactics, in-race mishaps
> > such
> > >? ? ?as a fall, the class of horses, whether there are zero, one,
> > two?
> > >? ? ?"natural" leaders and whether they vie for the lead, weight
> > >? ? ?conditions??
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >? ? ?So I never consider them, but I do have a database of every
> > >? ? ?Australian race for the past 20+ years,? including:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >? ? ?Date,
> > >
> > >? ? ?Course,
> > >
> > >? ? ?Distance,
> > >
> > >? ? ?Class,
> > >
> > >? ? ?Limit Weight,
> > >
> > >? ? ?Weight carried by placegetters,
> > >
> > >? ? ?Condition,
> > >
> > >? ? ?No of starters,
> > >
> > >? ? ?Prizemoney,
> > >
> > >? ? ?and of course Time
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >? ? ?You determine an algorithm for calculating par times and I'll
> > >? ? ?write a program and send you the results; otherwise you are
> just
> > >? ? ?relying on someone else's methodology, almost certainly without
> > >? ? ?knowing the basis of his determinations.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >? ? ?LBL
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >? ? ?From: Racing <racing-bounces at ausrace.com
> > <mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com>
> > >? ? ?<mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com
> > <mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com>><mailto:
> racing-bounces at ausrace.com
> > <mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com>
> > >? ? ?<mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com
> > <mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com>>>> On Behalf Of
> > > norsaintpublishing at gmail.com <mailto:norsaintpublishing at gmail.com>
> > >? ? ?<mailto:norsaintpublishing at gmail.com
> > <mailto:norsaintpublishing at gmail.com>><mailto:
> norsaintpublishing at gmail.com
> > <mailto:norsaintpublishing at gmail.com>
> > >? ? ?<mailto:norsaintpublishing at gmail.com
> > <mailto:norsaintpublishing at gmail.com>>>
> > >? ? ?Sent: Sunday, 17 June 2018 5:34 PM
> > >? ? ?To: AusRace Racing Discussion List <racing at ausrace.com
> > <mailto:racing at ausrace.com>
> > >? ? ?<mailto:racing at ausrace.com
> > <mailto:racing at ausrace.com>><mailto:racing at ausrace.com
> > <mailto:racing at ausrace.com>
> > >? ? ?<mailto:racing at ausrace.com <mailto:racing at ausrace.com>>>>
> > >? ? ?Subject: [AusRace] Par times
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >? ? ??
> > >? ?
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> > >
> > >
> > >? ? ?Does anyone know how or where to get them for Aust courses?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >? ?
> > ??<
> https://mailtrack.io?utm_source=gmail&utm_medium=signature&utm_campaign=signaturevirality5&
> >
> > >
> > >? ? ?Sender notified by
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> >
> > >? ? ?Mailtrack 17/06/18, 17:33:07
> > >
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> > >
> > >? ? ?Message: 4
> > >? ? ?Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2018 18:58:56 +0800
> > >? ? ?From: "Tony Moffat" <tonymoffat at bigpond.com
> > <mailto:tonymoffat at bigpond.com>
> > >? ? ?<mailto:tonymoffat at bigpond.com
> > <mailto:tonymoffat at bigpond.com>><mailto:tonymoffat at bigpond.com
> > <mailto:tonymoffat at bigpond.com>
> > >? ? ?<mailto:tonymoffat at bigpond.com
> > <mailto:tonymoffat at bigpond.com>>>>
> > >? ? ?To: "'AusRace Racing Discussion List'" <racing at ausrace.com
> > <mailto:racing at ausrace.com>
> > >? ? ?<mailto:racing at ausrace.com
> > <mailto:racing at ausrace.com>><mailto:racing at ausrace.com
> > <mailto:racing at ausrace.com>
> > >? ? ?<mailto:racing at ausrace.com <mailto:racing at ausrace.com>>>>
> > >? ? ?Subject: Re: [AusRace] Par times
> > >? ? ?Message-ID: <000001d406f3$5b558d60$1200a820$@bigpond.com
> > <http://bigpond.com>
> > >? ? ?<http://bigpond.com><http://bigpond.com>>
> > >? ? ?Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > >
> > >? ? ?Saintly ? I don?t know if the other mail made it through ?
> > it was big
> > >
> > >? ? ?Is this the type of info you need?
> > >
> > >? ? ?Who does this?
> > >
> > >? ? ?Cheers
> > >
> > >? ? ?Tony
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >? ? ?Ball a rat
> > >
> > >? ? ?900 (firm) 51.8
> > >
> > >? ? ?900 (good) 52.5
> > >
> > >? ? ?900 (soft) 53.4
> > >
> > >? ? ?900 (heavy) 54.6
> > >
> > >? ? ?1000 (firm) 56.5
> > >
> > >? ? ?1000 (good) 57.9
> > >
> > >? ? ?1000 (soft) 59.1
> > >
> > >? ? ?1000 (heavy) 1.0.7
> > >
> > >? ? ?1100 (firm) 1.2.4
> > >
> > >? ? ?1100 (good) 1.3.9
> > >
> > >? ? ?1100 (soft) 1.5.7
> > >
> > >? ? ?1100 (heavy) 1.7.3
> > >
> > >? ? ?1200 (firm) 1.9.1
> > >
> > >? ? ?1200 (good) 1.10.3
> > >
> > >? ? ?1200 (soft) 1.12.0
> > >
> > >? ? ?1200 (heavy) 1.13.1
> > >
> > >? ? ?1400 (firm) 1.23.2
> > >
> > >? ? ?1400 (good) 1.24.5
> > >
> > >? ? ?1400 (soft) 1.26.3
> > >
> > >? ? ?1400 (heavy) 1.28.2
> > >
> > >? ? ?1500 (firm) 1.31.3
> > >
> > >? ? ?1500 (good) 1.32.6
> > >
> > >? ? ?1500 (soft) 1.34.3
> > >
> > >? ? ?1500 (heavy) 1.36.5
> > >
> > >? ? ?1600 (firm) 1.37.1
> > >
> > >? ? ?1600 (good) 1.37.8
> > >
> > >? ? ?1600 (soft) 1.40.0
> > >
> > >? ? ?1600 (heavy) 1.42.5
> > >
> > >? ? ?2000 (firm) 2.3.8
> > >
> > >? ? ?2000 (good) 2.6.1
> > >
> > >? ? ?2000 (soft) 2.7.7
> > >
> > >? ? ?2000 (heavy) 2.10.9
> > >
> > >? ? ?2200 (firm) 2.14.8
> > >
> > >? ? ?2200 (good) 2.17.7
> > >
> > >? ? ?2200 (soft) 2.20.6
> > >
> > >? ? ?2200 (heavy) 2.22.4
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >? ? ?From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com
> > <mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com>
> > >? ? ?<mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com
> > <mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com>><mailto:
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> > <mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com>
> > >? ? ?<mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com
> > <mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com>>>] On Behalf Of
> > > norsaintpublishing at gmail.com <mailto:norsaintpublishing at gmail.com>
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> > <mailto:norsaintpublishing at gmail.com>><mailto:
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> > >? ? ?<mailto:norsaintpublishing at gmail.com
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> > >? ? ?Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2018 3:34 PM
> > >? ? ?To: AusRace Racing Discussion List <racing at ausrace.com
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> > >? ? ?<mailto:racing at ausrace.com
> > <mailto:racing at ausrace.com>><mailto:racing at ausrace.com
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> > >? ? ?<mailto:racing at ausrace.com <mailto:racing at ausrace.com>>>>
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >? ? ??
> > >? ?
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> > >? ? ?Does anyone know how or where to get them for Aust courses?
> > >
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> > >
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