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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">For somebody starting out on times, I
would not recommend it!<br>
The code I have is 1400 lines long and has evolved over many
years.<br>
<br>
I doubt anybody does it my way, expect for the Woods mob that I
helped with it a good few years ago.<br>
Finding the standard times would be a huge task if you did not
know how to do it.<br>
Just finding the averages of each class, on each going, at each
track, for instance, is just going to waste your time, AND likely,
not worth two bob.<br>
<br>
I can find the times and class figures for however many tracks in
a couple of minutes these days, but it's complex.<br>
When momu came to me for help, they had been trying for 6 months
and getting nowhere.<br>
<br>
Iteration where the meetings at each track are treated
individually, instead of lumping the data from all meeting at each
track together<br>
That way you get rid of going problems where the track one day
will run different to another.....well you won't get rid of those
problems but will lessen the effect of them.<br>
Then it's a process of trial and error.
Guess.....test.....adjust.....test....adjust...test...until the
error is so small it no longer exists<br>
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SteveB<br>
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Ditto Nick<br>
If you understand time stuff, then....<br>
Your class figure should be some estimation of central <br>
tendency(average/median/whatever) of the speeds.<br>
The speed should be the individual.<br>
They are both the same thing...one the overall, one the
average(or <br>
whatever) and that gives you your measuring stick(expectation)<br>
Thus your class figure should also just be a percentage of
your standard <br>
time.<br>
For instance G1 at Flemington might be the equivalent of your
standard.<br>
A low standard benchmark race might be only 98% of your
standard.<br>
Thus the G1 will be 100<br>
The low one will be 80....or 20 metres per 1000 slower on
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> then somehow relating that to open par times? Does that
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> Got to reply to all on one post, such is the manner it
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> Hi Nick,<br>
> Regarding Len?s suggestions regarding par times, I
thought I?d<br>
> give you a little bit of extra information.<br>
> Par times by themselves are pretty nebulous as Len
suggests.<br>
> If you?re familiar with Excel, here is my
recommendation.<br>
> Often you will find that track record times are often
on many<br>
> races one day at a venue, so obviously the track is
faster than<br>
> the rating.<br>
> Forget Class records, they mean very little overall.<br>
> Take the race times and dissect them into overall
time, final<br>
> sectional time and then race time minus sectional
time, this will<br>
> give you the pace time.<br>
> You MUST have a par time for every going condition
not just Soft,<br>
> you need Soft5, Soft6, Soft7.<br>
> Look at the top horses that won with fast race time,
then fast<br>
> last sectional, then pace time.<br>
> You?ll soon see the impact of what is useful and what
is not.<br>
> You?ll also see where the track rating is obviously
wrong when all<br>
> or most races are above that par.<br>
> Course manager must lodge the track going prior to
6.50am on race<br>
> day, they cannot change the track rating for the day
after that<br>
> period, only the Stewards or Jockeys can suggest to
Stewards a<br>
> change in track rating. Ergo, there are many ratings
that are not<br>
> correct.<br>
> Lindsay.<br>
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the concept to<br>
> come up with anything so sophisticated as an
algorithm. If I do,<br>
> you'll be my first port of call.<br>
> Did fiddle around with ideas by Gavin Haynes a few
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> Neale Yardley recently made the following comment in
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> ?Again my thanks go to Steven Angelides from PPFA for
providing<br>
> the par times. Steven is back in Australia from Hong
Kong and is<br>
> touring Australia if anyone would like to catch up
with him (he is<br>
> happy to talk about Bet Selector, PPFA, Hong Kong or
anything else<br>
> racing related). Venues and dates are listed below
but please note<br>
> Steven has a new mobile number which is 0413164550.
His email is<br>
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> Nick,<br>
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> "Par times" is, to me, a nebulous term - they can be
calculated in<br>
> various ways, times are affected by track condition
(not only on<br>
> the day, but by permanent upgrades such as at
Gawler), rail<br>
> positioning, wind direction, riding tactics, in-race
mishaps such<br>
> as a fall, the class of horses, whether there are
zero, one, two?<br>
> "natural" leaders and whether they vie for the lead,
weight<br>
> conditions??<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> So I never consider them, but I do have a database of
every<br>
> Australian race for the past 20+ years,? including:<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Date,<br>
><br>
> Course,<br>
><br>
> Distance,<br>
><br>
> Class,<br>
><br>
> Limit Weight,<br>
><br>
> Weight carried by placegetters,<br>
><br>
> Condition,<br>
><br>
> No of starters,<br>
><br>
> Prizemoney,<br>
><br>
> and of course Time<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> You determine an algorithm for calculating par times
and I'll<br>
> write a program and send you the results; otherwise
you are just<br>
> relying on someone else's methodology, almost
certainly without<br>
> knowing the basis of his determinations.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> LBL<br>
><br>
><br>
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> Saintly ? I don?t know if the other mail made it
through ? it was big<br>
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> Is this the type of info you need?<br>
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> Who does this?<br>
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> Cheers<br>
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> Tony<br>
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> Ball a rat<br>
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> 900 (firm) 51.8<br>
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> 900 (good) 52.5<br>
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> 900 (soft) 53.4<br>
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> 900 (heavy) 54.6<br>
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> 1000 (firm) 56.5<br>
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> 1000 (good) 57.9<br>
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> 1000 (soft) 59.1<br>
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> 1000 (heavy) 1.0.7<br>
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> 1100 (firm) 1.2.4<br>
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> 1100 (good) 1.3.9<br>
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> 1100 (soft) 1.5.7<br>
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> 1100 (heavy) 1.7.3<br>
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> 1200 (firm) 1.9.1<br>
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> 1200 (good) 1.10.3<br>
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> 1200 (soft) 1.12.0<br>
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> 1200 (heavy) 1.13.1<br>
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> 1400 (firm) 1.23.2<br>
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> 1400 (good) 1.24.5<br>
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> 1400 (soft) 1.26.3<br>
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> 1400 (heavy) 1.28.2<br>
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> 1500 (firm) 1.31.3<br>
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> 1500 (good) 1.32.6<br>
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> 1500 (soft) 1.34.3<br>
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> 1500 (heavy) 1.36.5<br>
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> 1600 (firm) 1.37.1<br>
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> 1600 (good) 1.37.8<br>
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> 1600 (soft) 1.40.0<br>
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> 1600 (heavy) 1.42.5<br>
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> 2000 (firm) 2.3.8<br>
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> 2000 (good) 2.6.1<br>
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> 2000 (soft) 2.7.7<br>
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> 2000 (heavy) 2.10.9<br>
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> 2200 (firm) 2.14.8<br>
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> 2200 (good) 2.17.7<br>
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> 2200 (soft) 2.20.6<br>
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> 2200 (heavy) 2.22.4<br>
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