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</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 10:07 AM <<a href="mailto:racing-request@ausrace.com">racing-request@ausrace.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send Racing mailing list submissions to<br>
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From: Steve <<a href="mailto:essbee@internode.on.net" target="_blank">essbee@internode.on.net</a>><br>
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For somebody starting out on times, I would not recommend it!<br>
The code I have is 1400 lines long and has evolved over many years.<br>
<br>
I doubt anybody does it my way, expect for the Woods mob that I helped <br>
with it a good few years ago.<br>
Finding the standard times would be a huge task if you did not know how <br>
to do it.<br>
Just finding the averages of each class, on each going, at each track, <br>
for instance, is just going to waste your time, AND likely, not worth <br>
two bob.<br>
<br>
I can find the times and class figures for however many tracks in a <br>
couple of minutes these days, but it's complex.<br>
When momu came to me for help, they had been trying for 6 months and <br>
getting nowhere.<br>
<br>
Iteration where the meetings at each track are treated individually, <br>
instead of lumping the data from all meeting at each track together<br>
That way you get rid of going problems where the track one day will run <br>
different to another.....well you won't get rid of those problems but <br>
will lessen the effect of them.<br>
Then it's a process of trial and error. <br>
Guess.....test.....adjust.....test....adjust...test...until the error is <br>
so small it no longer exists<br>
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SteveB<br>
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> Ok thanks Steve. I think I've got that. I guess any time has to be <br>
> measured against Open class and adjusted from the relative class <br>
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> Ditto Nick<br>
> If you understand time stuff, then....<br>
> Your class figure should be some estimation of central<br>
> tendency(average/median/whatever) of the speeds.<br>
> The speed should be the individual.<br>
> They are both the same thing...one the overall, one the average(or<br>
> whatever) and that gives you your measuring stick(expectation)<br>
> Thus your class figure should also just be a percentage of your<br>
> standard<br>
> time.<br>
> For instance G1 at Flemington might be the equivalent of your<br>
> standard.<br>
> A low standard benchmark race might be only 98% of your standard.<br>
> Thus the G1 will be 100<br>
> The low one will be 80....or 20 metres per 1000 slower on average<br>
> SteveB<br>
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> On 20/06/2018 8:58 AM, <a href="mailto:norsaintpublishing@gmail.com" target="_blank">norsaintpublishing@gmail.com</a><br>
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> classes? And<br>
> > then somehow relating that to open par times? Does that make sense.<br>
> > Got to reply to all on one post, such is the manner it comes<br>
> through.<br>
> > Mike, your 81 year old brain is obviously in better shape than<br>
> my 60<br>
> > year old one.<br>
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> >? ? ?Mike.<br>
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> >? ? ?G'day Mike,<br>
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> >? ? ?? ? ? ? Thanks for the suggestion. I got that email too? but had<br>
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> >? ? ?Hi Nick,<br>
> >? ? ?Regarding Len?s suggestions regarding par times, I thought I?d<br>
> >? ? ?give you a little bit of extra information.<br>
> >? ? ?Par times by themselves are pretty nebulous as Len suggests.<br>
> >? ? ?If you?re familiar with Excel, here is my recommendation.<br>
> >? ? ?Often you will find that track record times are often on many<br>
> >? ? ?races one day at a venue, so obviously the track is faster than<br>
> >? ? ?the rating.<br>
> >? ? ?Forget Class records, they mean very little overall.<br>
> >? ? ?Take the race times and dissect them into overall time, final<br>
> >? ? ?sectional time and then race time minus sectional time, this<br>
> will<br>
> >? ? ?give you the pace time.<br>
> >? ? ?You MUST have a par time for every going condition not just<br>
> Soft,<br>
> >? ? ?you need Soft5, Soft6, Soft7.<br>
> >? ? ?Look at the top horses that won with fast race time, then fast<br>
> >? ? ?last sectional, then pace time.<br>
> >? ? ?You?ll soon see the impact of what is useful and what is not.<br>
> >? ? ?You?ll also see where the track rating is obviously wrong<br>
> when all<br>
> >? ? ?or most races are above that par.<br>
> >? ? ?Course manager must lodge the track going prior to 6.50am on<br>
> race<br>
> >? ? ?day, they cannot change the track rating for the day after that<br>
> >? ? ?period, only the Stewards or Jockeys can suggest to Stewards a<br>
> >? ? ?change in track rating. Ergo, there are many ratings that<br>
> are not<br>
> >? ? ?correct.<br>
> >? ? ?Lindsay.<br>
> ><br>
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> >? ? ?? ?1. Par times (<a href="mailto:norsaintpublishing@gmail.com" target="_blank">norsaintpublishing@gmail.com</a><br>
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> >? ? ?? ?2. Re: Par times (<a href="mailto:mikemcbain@tpg.com.au" target="_blank">mikemcbain@tpg.com.au</a><br>
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> >? ? ?? ?3. Re: Par times (L.B.Loveday)<br>
> >? ? ?? ?4. Re: Par times (Tony Moffat)<br>
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> >? ? ?Message: 1<br>
> >? ? ?Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2018 17:34:08 +1000<br>
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> >? ? ?To: AusRace Racing Discussion List <<a href="mailto:racing@ausrace.com" target="_blank">racing@ausrace.com</a><br>
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> >? ? ?Subject: [AusRace] Par times<br>
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> >? ? ?Message: 2<br>
> >? ? ?Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2018 11:03:10 +1000<br>
> >? ? ?From: <<a href="mailto:mikemcbain@tpg.com.au" target="_blank">mikemcbain@tpg.com.au</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mikemcbain@tpg.com.au" target="_blank">mikemcbain@tpg.com.au</a>><br>
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> >? ? ?Subject: Re: [AusRace] Par times<br>
> >? ? ?Message-ID: <001f01d406a0$20e59d80$62b0d880$@<a href="http://tpg.com.au" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">tpg.com.au</a><br>
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> ><br>
> >? ? ?Norsaint<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?Neale Yardley recently made the following comment in an email?.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ??Again my thanks go to Steven Angelides from PPFA for providing<br>
> >? ? ?the par times. Steven is back in Australia from Hong Kong and is<br>
> >? ? ?touring Australia if anyone would like to catch up with him<br>
> (he is<br>
> >? ? ?happy to talk about Bet Selector, PPFA, Hong Kong or<br>
> anything else<br>
> >? ? ?racing related). Venues and dates are listed below but<br>
> please note<br>
> >? ? ?Steven has a new mobile number which is 0413164550. His email is<br>
> >? ? ?still the same viz <mailto:<a href="mailto:stavros@wn.com.au" target="_blank">stavros@wn.com.au</a><br>
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> >? ? ?Might be worth your while asking Steven?<br>
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> >? ? ?Mike.<br>
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> >? ? ?Subject: [AusRace] Par times<br>
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> >? ? ??<br>
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> >? ? ?Does anyone know how or where to get them for Aust courses?<br>
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> >? ? ?Message: 3<br>
> >? ? ?Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2018 11:49:07 +1000<br>
> >? ? ?From: "L.B.Loveday" <<a href="mailto:lloveday@ozemail.com.au" target="_blank">lloveday@ozemail.com.au</a><br>
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> >? ? ?To: "'AusRace Racing Discussion List'" <<a href="mailto:racing@ausrace.com" target="_blank">racing@ausrace.com</a><br>
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> >? ? ?Subject: Re: [AusRace] Par times<br>
> >? ? ?Message-ID: <004701d406a6$8ec2dce0$ac4896a0$@<a href="http://ozemail.com.au" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">ozemail.com.au</a><br>
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> >? ? ?Nick,<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?"Par times" is, to me, a nebulous term - they can be<br>
> calculated in<br>
> >? ? ?various ways, times are affected by track condition (not only on<br>
> >? ? ?the day, but by permanent upgrades such as at Gawler), rail<br>
> >? ? ?positioning, wind direction, riding tactics, in-race mishaps<br>
> such<br>
> >? ? ?as a fall, the class of horses, whether there are zero, one,<br>
> two?<br>
> >? ? ?"natural" leaders and whether they vie for the lead, weight<br>
> >? ? ?conditions??<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?So I never consider them, but I do have a database of every<br>
> >? ? ?Australian race for the past 20+ years,? including:<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?Date,<br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?Course,<br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?Distance,<br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?Class,<br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?Limit Weight,<br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?Weight carried by placegetters,<br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?Condition,<br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?No of starters,<br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?Prizemoney,<br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?and of course Time<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?You determine an algorithm for calculating par times and I'll<br>
> >? ? ?write a program and send you the results; otherwise you are just<br>
> >? ? ?relying on someone else's methodology, almost certainly without<br>
> >? ? ?knowing the basis of his determinations.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?LBL<br>
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> >? ? ?Sent: Sunday, 17 June 2018 5:34 PM<br>
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> >? ? ?Subject: [AusRace] Par times<br>
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> >? ? ??<br>
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> >? ? ?Message: 4<br>
> >? ? ?Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2018 18:58:56 +0800<br>
> >? ? ?From: "Tony Moffat" <<a href="mailto:tonymoffat@bigpond.com" target="_blank">tonymoffat@bigpond.com</a><br>
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> >? ? ?To: "'AusRace Racing Discussion List'" <<a href="mailto:racing@ausrace.com" target="_blank">racing@ausrace.com</a><br>
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> >? ? ?Subject: Re: [AusRace] Par times<br>
> >? ? ?Message-ID: <000001d406f3$5b558d60$1200a820$@<a href="http://bigpond.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">bigpond.com</a><br>
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> >? ? ?Saintly ? I don?t know if the other mail made it through ?<br>
> it was big<br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?Is this the type of info you need?<br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?Who does this?<br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?Cheers<br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?Tony<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?Ball a rat<br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?900 (firm) 51.8<br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?900 (good) 52.5<br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?900 (soft) 53.4<br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?900 (heavy) 54.6<br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?1000 (firm) 56.5<br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?1000 (good) 57.9<br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?1000 (soft) 59.1<br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?1000 (heavy) 1.0.7<br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?1100 (firm) 1.2.4<br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?1100 (good) 1.3.9<br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?1100 (soft) 1.5.7<br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?1100 (heavy) 1.7.3<br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?1200 (firm) 1.9.1<br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?1200 (good) 1.10.3<br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?1200 (soft) 1.12.0<br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?1200 (heavy) 1.13.1<br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?1400 (firm) 1.23.2<br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?1400 (good) 1.24.5<br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?1400 (soft) 1.26.3<br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?1400 (heavy) 1.28.2<br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?1500 (firm) 1.31.3<br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?1500 (good) 1.32.6<br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?1500 (soft) 1.34.3<br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?1500 (heavy) 1.36.5<br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?1600 (firm) 1.37.1<br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?1600 (good) 1.37.8<br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?1600 (soft) 1.40.0<br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?1600 (heavy) 1.42.5<br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?2000 (firm) 2.3.8<br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?2000 (good) 2.6.1<br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?2000 (soft) 2.7.7<br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?2000 (heavy) 2.10.9<br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?2200 (firm) 2.14.8<br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?2200 (good) 2.17.7<br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?2200 (soft) 2.20.6<br>
> ><br>
> >? ? ?2200 (heavy) 2.22.4<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
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