[AusRace] Racing Digest, Vol 18, Issue 8
Steve
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Wed Jun 20 10:03:56 AEST 2018
For somebody starting out on times, I would not recommend it!
The code I have is 1400 lines long and has evolved over many years.
I doubt anybody does it my way, expect for the Woods mob that I helped
with it a good few years ago.
Finding the standard times would be a huge task if you did not know how
to do it.
Just finding the averages of each class, on each going, at each track,
for instance, is just going to waste your time, AND likely, not worth
two bob.
I can find the times and class figures for however many tracks in a
couple of minutes these days, but it's complex.
When momu came to me for help, they had been trying for 6 months and
getting nowhere.
Iteration where the meetings at each track are treated individually,
instead of lumping the data from all meeting at each track together
That way you get rid of going problems where the track one day will run
different to another.....well you won't get rid of those problems but
will lessen the effect of them.
Then it's a process of trial and error.
Guess.....test.....adjust.....test....adjust...test...until the error is
so small it no longer exists
SteveB
On 20/06/2018 9:44 AM, norsaintpublishing at gmail.com wrote:
> Ok thanks Steve. I think I've got that. I guess any time has to be
> measured against Open class and adjusted from the relative class
> figure so might as well just use the one figure from the off.
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> Ditto Nick
> If you understand time stuff, then....
> Your class figure should be some estimation of central
> tendency(average/median/whatever) of the speeds.
> The speed should be the individual.
> They are both the same thing...one the overall, one the average(or
> whatever) and that gives you your measuring stick(expectation)
> Thus your class figure should also just be a percentage of your
> standard
> time.
> For instance G1 at Flemington might be the equivalent of your
> standard.
> A low standard benchmark race might be only 98% of your standard.
> Thus the G1 will be 100
> The low one will be 80....or 20 metres per 1000 slower on average
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> On 20/06/2018 8:58 AM, norsaintpublishing at gmail.com
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> > Interesting Lindsay. What about par times for individual
> classes? And
> > then somehow relating that to open par times? Does that make sense.
> > Got to reply to all on one post, such is the manner it comes
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> > Mike, your 81 year old brain is obviously in better shape than
> my 60
> > year old one.
> > And as for the missing posts re Stradbroke, Andrew, I didn't get
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> > Cannot be an ?age thing? or my 81yo brain would have long
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> > Mike.
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> > G'day Mike,
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> > I seem to be missing stuff, according to the June archive -
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> > Hi Nick,
> > Regarding Len?s suggestions regarding par times, I thought I?d
> > give you a little bit of extra information.
> > Par times by themselves are pretty nebulous as Len suggests.
> > If you?re familiar with Excel, here is my recommendation.
> > Often you will find that track record times are often on many
> > races one day at a venue, so obviously the track is faster than
> > the rating.
> > Forget Class records, they mean very little overall.
> > Take the race times and dissect them into overall time, final
> > sectional time and then race time minus sectional time, this
> will
> > give you the pace time.
> > You MUST have a par time for every going condition not just
> Soft,
> > you need Soft5, Soft6, Soft7.
> > Look at the top horses that won with fast race time, then fast
> > last sectional, then pace time.
> > You?ll soon see the impact of what is useful and what is not.
> > You?ll also see where the track rating is obviously wrong
> when all
> > or most races are above that par.
> > Course manager must lodge the track going prior to 6.50am on
> race
> > day, they cannot change the track rating for the day after that
> > period, only the Stewards or Jockeys can suggest to Stewards a
> > change in track rating. Ergo, there are many ratings that
> are not
> > correct.
> > Lindsay.
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> > Ok thanks Len. Not sure if I'm au fait enough with the
> concept to
> > come up with anything so sophisticated as an algorithm. If I do,
> > you'll be my first port of call.
> > Did fiddle around with ideas by Gavin Haynes a few year's
> ago but
> > his stats must be outdated by now.
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> > Neale Yardley recently made the following comment in an email?.
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> > ?Again my thanks go to Steven Angelides from PPFA for providing
> > the par times. Steven is back in Australia from Hong Kong and is
> > touring Australia if anyone would like to catch up with him
> (he is
> > happy to talk about Bet Selector, PPFA, Hong Kong or
> anything else
> > racing related). Venues and dates are listed below but
> please note
> > Steven has a new mobile number which is 0413164550. His email is
> > still the same viz <mailto:stavros at wn.com.au
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> > Might be worth your while asking Steven?
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> > Mike.
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2018 11:49:07 +1000
> > From: "L.B.Loveday" <lloveday at ozemail.com.au
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> > To: "'AusRace Racing Discussion List'" <racing at ausrace.com
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> > <mailto:racing at ausrace.com
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> > Subject: Re: [AusRace] Par times
> > Message-ID: <004701d406a6$8ec2dce0$ac4896a0$@ozemail.com.au
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> >
> > Nick,
> >
> >
> >
> > "Par times" is, to me, a nebulous term - they can be
> calculated in
> > various ways, times are affected by track condition (not only on
> > the day, but by permanent upgrades such as at Gawler), rail
> > positioning, wind direction, riding tactics, in-race mishaps
> such
> > as a fall, the class of horses, whether there are zero, one,
> two?
> > "natural" leaders and whether they vie for the lead, weight
> > conditions??
> >
> >
> >
> > So I never consider them, but I do have a database of every
> > Australian race for the past 20+ years,? including:
> >
> >
> >
> > Date,
> >
> > Course,
> >
> > Distance,
> >
> > Class,
> >
> > Limit Weight,
> >
> > Weight carried by placegetters,
> >
> > Condition,
> >
> > No of starters,
> >
> > Prizemoney,
> >
> > and of course Time
> >
> >
> >
> > You determine an algorithm for calculating par times and I'll
> > write a program and send you the results; otherwise you are just
> > relying on someone else's methodology, almost certainly without
> > knowing the basis of his determinations.
> >
> >
> >
> > LBL
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Racing <racing-bounces at ausrace.com
> <mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com>
> > <mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com
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> <mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com>>>> On Behalf Of
> > norsaintpublishing at gmail.com <mailto:norsaintpublishing at gmail.com>
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> > Sent: Sunday, 17 June 2018 5:34 PM
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> > Subject: [AusRace] Par times
> >
> >
> >
> > ?
> >
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> >
> >
> > Does anyone know how or where to get them for Aust courses?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > Message: 4
> > Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2018 18:58:56 +0800
> > From: "Tony Moffat" <tonymoffat at bigpond.com
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> > <mailto:tonymoffat at bigpond.com
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> > To: "'AusRace Racing Discussion List'" <racing at ausrace.com
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> > Saintly ? I don?t know if the other mail made it through ?
> it was big
> >
> > Is this the type of info you need?
> >
> > Who does this?
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Tony
> >
> >
> >
> > Ball a rat
> >
> > 900 (firm) 51.8
> >
> > 900 (good) 52.5
> >
> > 900 (soft) 53.4
> >
> > 900 (heavy) 54.6
> >
> > 1000 (firm) 56.5
> >
> > 1000 (good) 57.9
> >
> > 1000 (soft) 59.1
> >
> > 1000 (heavy) 1.0.7
> >
> > 1100 (firm) 1.2.4
> >
> > 1100 (good) 1.3.9
> >
> > 1100 (soft) 1.5.7
> >
> > 1100 (heavy) 1.7.3
> >
> > 1200 (firm) 1.9.1
> >
> > 1200 (good) 1.10.3
> >
> > 1200 (soft) 1.12.0
> >
> > 1200 (heavy) 1.13.1
> >
> > 1400 (firm) 1.23.2
> >
> > 1400 (good) 1.24.5
> >
> > 1400 (soft) 1.26.3
> >
> > 1400 (heavy) 1.28.2
> >
> > 1500 (firm) 1.31.3
> >
> > 1500 (good) 1.32.6
> >
> > 1500 (soft) 1.34.3
> >
> > 1500 (heavy) 1.36.5
> >
> > 1600 (firm) 1.37.1
> >
> > 1600 (good) 1.37.8
> >
> > 1600 (soft) 1.40.0
> >
> > 1600 (heavy) 1.42.5
> >
> > 2000 (firm) 2.3.8
> >
> > 2000 (good) 2.6.1
> >
> > 2000 (soft) 2.7.7
> >
> > 2000 (heavy) 2.10.9
> >
> > 2200 (firm) 2.14.8
> >
> > 2200 (good) 2.17.7
> >
> > 2200 (soft) 2.20.6
> >
> > 2200 (heavy) 2.22.4
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com
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