[AusRace] After prawns - Darts and the Jesuit

Wed Sep 18 21:07:44 AEST 2019

Agree Len. The Cape Town business was out and out cheating. I was referring
to their on field sledging/behaviour , which was always passed off as "part
of the game" and all the other bullshit etc etc). Strangely though,
whenever opposition teams replied in kind, our blokes started screaming
blue murder. My point was that personal abuse goes beyond the bounds of
gamesmanship and borders on cheating. In fact it is cheating. No borders
about it.

On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 19:56, L.B.Loveday <lloveday at ozemail.com.au> wrote:

> ".. bordered on cheating.."!
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> There were tens of $millions legally bet on the various results of the
> Cape Town Test, and punters are entitled to assume the results are fairly
> determined and not dependent on the success or not of cheats. What they
> did was an attempt to change the result of a game by illegal actions. No
> matter which way it is spun - "ball-tampering" and other euphemisms - it
> was attempted match-fixing.
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> Part of those $millions are paid to CA for the right to bet on "their
> product" and goes into the pool from which these cricketers are paid.
> Betting on the game also encourages those who have bet to watch, increasing
> the ratings & thus increasing the value of television rights, a big part of
> CA's income. And Bookmakers advertise extensively during Test broadcasts
> (so I' told), adding to the value of TV rights.
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> Part of the players' payments is by way of performance bonuses, which
> would be bigger if they won, thus they attempted "dishonestly obtaining
> financial advantage by deception" - a criminal offence - as they tried to
> illegally affect the results of the game (more wickets, more quickly,
> greater chance of winning) when succeeding could have meant bigger bonuses.
> Also, sponsors are willing to pay more for successful players - the more
> successful, the more sponsorship they get.
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> Far from being harshly treated as so many say, I consider them lucky to
> not be criminally charged. Cronje got life for match-fixing (I don't see
> that it matters that he got a direct payment while theirs is not so obvious
> in $$ terms, but as I have outlined above, success at cheating would have
> led to a financial advantage).
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> Two men were jailed over the Fine Cotton affair and far less money was bet
> on that race than on the Cape Town Test; I honestly cannot see that what
> those 2 did was deserving of criminal sanction while the cricketers'
> actions got a relative slap on the wrist.
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> Smith condoned cheating then initially lied when caught out; that's the
> Australian Captain whom PM Howard described as the pinnacle of Australian
> leadership rather than the PM, but who cheated with malice of forethought,
> lied about it and disgraced Australia.
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> If every other country and every player from every other country cheated,
> that would not in the least excuse what they did.
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> LBL
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> *From:* Racing *On Behalf Of *norsaintpublishing at gmail.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 18 September 2019 18:33 PM
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> *Subject:* Re: [AusRace] After prawns - Darts and the Jesuit
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> I beg to disagree Tony. Cricket is the greatest game IMHO. The
> embarrassing carry-on of recent years has bordered on cheating and isn't
> really typical of how the game used to be played. Gamemanship tinged with
> humour used to be the go whereas our blokes have been cheating with their
> ludicrous "mental disintegration" bullshit they've carried on with since
> Waugh S took over.
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> On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 18:13, Tony Moffat <tonymoffat at bigpond.com> wrote:
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> Northerly – thanks. I made the point that cricketers, in their creams, are
> not nice, and  jingoistic, in the endeavor to put off the opposition, a
> batsman in this case. Whereas, a much more manly sport, thugby, especially
> at school boy level, where this was when referred to, is, or was, not
> subjected to the nasty words, sledging, so much. This is my opinion and I
> was out there for a few years and have the ears as evidence. In football
> there is the heavy hitting and most are conditioned for it. In cricket you
> have angry persons throwing hard balls at your head, and bouncing them for
> the purpose of accelerating them to achieve this. Both games originated in
> England, rugby just doesn’t pretend to be anything other than exercise, and
> cricket looks nice from the boundary but there are better things to do on a
> hot Australian summer afternoon, and the whole thing seems predicated on
> disliking your opponent, the proof of which is throwing things at them!
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> Cheers
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> Tony
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> Consider snipping when replying.
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> *From:* Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] *On Behalf Of *
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> *Subject:* Re: [AusRace] After prawns - Darts and the Jesuit
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> Know what you're saying about youngsters, cricket and swearing Tony.
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> I blame attending cricket matches as a youngster to watch my father play
> and hanging around while they had a drink after the game, for my appalling
> language nowadays. Reckon I heard every swear word ever invented from the
> mouth of one particular individual, who it must be said was a very good
> fella, nonetheless.
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> Much to their credit, the previous generation seemed to be much more self
> disciplined when it came to bad language.
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> On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 14:29, Tony Moffat <tonymoffat at bigpond.com> wrote:
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> There are 10 pages of typewriting here and not a horse, horserace or
> betting
> anecdote in any of it.
> It was good typing it while it rained today and now the woodshed beckons
> Cheers
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> Tony
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> When I was 11 Dad got promoted and moved to a new town, a territory to him,
> and I went to the catholic primary school. It was small, and packed with
> children,
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