[AusRace] They never let up re crops, do they?

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Thu Dec 6 13:34:03 AEDT 2018

Wish I'd seen the Bart quote. Always found him hard to catch but when
leader bias became a factor, you could almost rule his out. Catelan Opening
would have won a Newmarket, and there were others, who were cruelled by
dynamite rails on big days. The old "Ron King" specials.

On 6 Dec. 2018 7:22 am, "L.B.Loveday" <lloveday at ozemail.com.au> wrote:


" following the Manuel bros..". I remember a particular occasion when
Michael Webster played his "game" at Balaklava - JManuel started his run
around the ring with a bet with Webster, many eyes watching, Webster
drastically turned down a price, some owners of the eyes (not you I hope)
rushed to bet that horse with other bookies while Manuel continued around
the ring backing his horse, which was not the one Webster wound in - that
was done to fool the eyes, including those of other bookies.

I used to closely watch the Manuels and other significant players and if
they backed a horse I wanted, I'd be one of those rushing to get set with
another bookie, but if it was not one I wanted, I'd smile and wait for mine
to hopefully drift. So many different tactics, and as the ex-Manager,
Premium Customer Services said of the 7 or so in the Randwick HV room,
everyone has a different approach, but they can all win. But they would
not, could not, all win if they all had the same system, which is why I
read Scott carefully and chose to take a different approach.

How easily and quickly things can change was brought home pointedly to me
when JBCummings was quoted as saying that racing tactics had changed and
horses now much more needed to be leading/on pace (not that his suddenly
did). There was an almost "overnight" reflection of that in odds and
another edge reduced for me.

In the Flemington Oaks, 3rd place getter Miner's Miss was predictably
massive "unders" on Vic TAB (26.0/5.1) cf BetZero (151/23) and BF (201/18),
unusual in a $1million race. Maybe Walter Gor Old ("Sepharial") had
something when he wrote in "The Silver Key" of the influence of names - the
reason it was predictable is imo much simpler than what he wrote.


*From:* PhilM <punter at internode.on.net>
*Sent:* Tuesday, 4 December 2018 6:55 PM
*To:* racing at ausrace.com
*Subject:* Re: They never let up re crops, do they?

"You'll remember Bob Robinson, the IBM salesman who had access to and used
a computer before they were commonly available, and was so successful he
had a crowd following him to copy his bets (you still here Phil?)"

Yes Len, I haven't gone away just yet.... and quite correct, I was one of
the most avid followers of "Mr Magic", Shirley and Co. .....to the point he
referred to me as "bindi eyes" ;-) Like you, I changed betting strategies
over the years many times, from following Robertson, following the Manuel
bros; getting massive overs using teletext when interstate TAB's put up
approximates, betting trebles and quadrellas for years based on early TAB
odds just by comparing paper prices, then Betfair gave me the biggest lift
possible in 2001 with some amazing returns in the first few years, flipping
from place betting, to taking any overs bookies gave as compared to
Betfair, moving from British racing, to Aussie racing as bookies closed
down accounts, to correct score and 1st half/2nd half soccer odds for years
until TABCorp finally woke up they were giving money away, then back to
Aussie racing again. It finally got to the point that the hours worked were
not worth the returns gained. I guess I stood still and got run over! I've
had one bet in six months, the winner of the Melbourne Cup and have pretty
much lost all interest if I can no longer make a decent dollar. Happy on
the aged pension now with enough funds to tide me over and a wife that's
more than happy as my "carer".

If you are still going well Len, then you've likely outdone every gambler
out there! Congratulations!

Phil M

p.s. Sounds as if Bob Robertson (Robinson?) has fallen a long way to be
called a "silly old bugger" by some bookie, betting $5 e/w! Seriously?

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