[AusRace] They never let up re crops, do they?

[sean mclaren]

And Len I see it broke it's maiden status the start before at Avoca wining
by 4.5 lengths. And it then went up in distance by circa 3 furlongs.
Challenging to say the least, but obviously not to your computer and the
trainer. Interesting the horse wasn't as forward as your computer would
have liked?

On 6 Dec 2018 11:51 am, "sean mclaren" <seanmac4321 at gmail.com> wrote:

Len

Re miners miss I see that she was ridden by your favourite jockey. Michelle
Payne.

Double up?

Rgds Sean



On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 06:52 L.B.Loveday <lloveday at ozemail.com.au wrote:

> Phil,
>
>
>
> " following the Manuel bros..". I remember a particular occasion when
> Michael Webster played his "game" at Balaklava - JManuel started his run
> around the ring with a bet with Webster, many eyes watching, Webster
> drastically turned down a price, some owners of the eyes (not you I hope)
> rushed to bet that horse with other bookies while Manuel continued around
> the ring backing his horse, which was not the one Webster wound in - that
> was done to fool the eyes, including those of other bookies.
>
>
>
> I used to closely watch the Manuels and other significant players and if
> they backed a horse I wanted, I'd be one of those rushing to get set with
> another bookie, but if it was not one I wanted, I'd smile and wait for mine
> to hopefully drift. So many different tactics, and as the ex-Manager,
> Premium Customer Services said of the 7 or so in the Randwick HV room,
> everyone has a different approach, but they can all win. But they would
> not, could not, all win if they all had the same system, which is why I
> read Scott carefully and chose to take a different approach.
>
>
>
> How easily and quickly things can change was brought home pointedly to me
> when JBCummings was quoted as saying that racing tactics had changed and
> horses now much more needed to be leading/on pace (not that his suddenly
> did). There was an almost "overnight" reflection of that in odds and
> another edge reduced for me.
>
>
>
> In the Flemington Oaks, 3rd place getter Miner's Miss was predictably
> massive "unders" on Vic TAB (26.0/5.1) cf BetZero (151/23) and BF (201/18),
> unusual in a $1million race. Maybe Walter Gor Old ("Sepharial") had
> something when he wrote in "The Silver Key" of the influence of names - the
> reason it was predictable is imo much simpler than what he wrote.
>
>
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> LBL
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>
> *From:* PhilM <punter at internode.on.net>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 4 December 2018 6:55 PM
> *To:* racing at ausrace.com
> *Subject:* Re: They never let up re crops, do they?
>
>
>
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> "You'll remember Bob Robinson, the IBM salesman who had access to and used
> a computer before they were commonly available, and was so successful he
> had a crowd following him to copy his bets (you still here Phil?)"
>
>
>
> Yes Len, I haven't gone away just yet.... and quite correct, I was one of
> the most avid followers of "Mr Magic", Shirley and Co. .....to the point he
> referred to me as "bindi eyes" ;-) Like you, I changed betting strategies
> over the years many times, from following Robertson, following the Manuel
> bros; getting massive overs using teletext when interstate TAB's put up
> approximates, betting trebles and quadrellas for years based on early TAB
> odds just by comparing paper prices, then Betfair gave me the biggest lift
> possible in 2001 with some amazing returns in the first few years, flipping
> from place betting, to taking any overs bookies gave as compared to
> Betfair, moving from British racing, to Aussie racing as bookies closed
> down accounts, to correct score and 1st half/2nd half soccer odds for years
> until TABCorp finally woke up they were giving money away, then back to
> Aussie racing again. It finally got to the point that the hours worked were
> not worth the returns gained. I guess I stood still and got run over! I've
> had one bet in six months, the winner of the Melbourne Cup and have pretty
> much lost all interest if I can no longer make a decent dollar. Happy on
> the aged pension now with enough funds to tide me over and a wife that's
> more than happy as my "carer".
>
>
>
> If you are still going well Len, then you've likely outdone every gambler
> out there! Congratulations!
>
>
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> Phil M
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> p.s. Sounds as if Bob Robertson (Robinson?) has fallen a long way to be
> called a "silly old bugger" by some bookie, betting $5 e/w! Seriously?
>
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