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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I take very little, usually no, notice of comments from people I don't know. I judge bookmarkers solely on my dealings with them.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I regard bookmakers as conduits/middlemen to transfer money between other punters and me (sort of like BetFair without 10% commission). Other punters are, for me, my opponents, not bookmakers. May the hardest workers prosper. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>When I bet in the Morphettville Auditorium, we used to drink together on occasions when the betting was done, on a few occasions venture down to Glenelg for a meal. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>On course I told Webster, Thornton and Churches (maybe only NorSaint will remember them) that they got an odds wrong - "I'll have $1000 #6 if you're serious Steve", he whipped the slide across, "No, I'm not serious". "Thanks", said John, "I don't need a leg-up", "I think you'd do the same even if you did". Other punters did not like it, but they were my opponents, I was not seeking their friendship or approval. Having difficulty reconciling my bets with Ron Bannear's staff - "Just pay Lenny whatever he says" said Bannear.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>In Sydney after Randwick, we'd retire to the War Memorial Club, Wayne McDonald, assorted bookmaker/TAB/Luxbet staff and a punter. The young would make their lines to McDonald's daughter (a stunner) and I'd recognise my limitations and drink/talk.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Yes, I post here warnings about the crooks, but as long as others (Sportsbet, TAB, TopSport, B365, Sportsbetting notably) are willing/forced to afford me wine, women and song, c'est la vie! Nothing more, just enough to live pleasantly month-to-month - if Biden wins and China annexes Australia, I'm a gonna.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Racing <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ken Blake<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 21 October 2020 15:17 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' <racing@ausrace.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusRace] Classic Bet<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Len…perhaps you have dialogue with some of these people. Literally hundreds of complaints against this mob……I actually got tired of scrolling down plus the rising blood pressure.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#0070C0;letter-spacing:.4pt;background:white'>Don't ever use sports bet. They scammed my money. There was one time I get on a table tennis match and the finished result is a win but they counted it as a loss. Tried to call their customer service which I had to wait for almost an hour and said they will get back to me after 48 hours. But after a week they told me that the it was a loss even after proving my bet receipt with the correct live score from sofa score! They told me I bet on a match that happened an hour earlier.. so they were trying to tell me that I went back in time an hour earlier to bet. The worse of all, even after I told them I watched the matched live and placed a live betting.. They still told me that they are not gonna do anything about it because they say it's a loss.. scammmmmmmmmmm....<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#0070C0;letter-spacing:.4pt;background:white'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:6.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#32323D;letter-spacing:.4pt'><a href="https://au.trustpilot.com/reviews/5f800032798e6f0784a92340"><span style='color:#32323D'>They change the fixed odds post-bet</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#32323D;letter-spacing:.4pt'>Placed a fixed odds bet paying 5/1. Horse won, they paid out 3/1. "Live chat" took 40 minutes for a response, then they disconnect. Absolute scam-artists. F*** you, Sportsbet.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#32323D;letter-spacing:.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:6.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:22.0pt;color:#0070C0'><a href="https://au.trustpilot.com/reviews/5f5ceed302e8570acc36971d"><span style='color:#0070C0'>I used bonus bet</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#0070C0'>I used bonus bet, no scratchings from acceptance of my bet, underpaid $175. Worst service ever!!! Three phone calls to 24/7 hotline, one at 1.25am(!) got the same pre-recorded runaround-90 mins wasted. Three emails. Not a peep. I’ve used other betting services, never a problem. This one is the pits!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#0070C0'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:6.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#32323D;letter-spacing:.4pt'><a href="https://au.trustpilot.com/reviews/5f59878902e8570becb241c4"><span style='color:#32323D'>Sportsbet took over beteasy</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#32323D;letter-spacing:.4pt'>Sportsbet took over beteasy, so I download the app, Placed 2 bets on the doggies, trifecta and first 4 same race, received the payout for the trifecta but not the first 4, both say "won", numbers were right, chat messaged them, Georgia first tells me I never boxed the bet (which clearly was) then tells me the winnings didn't cover the bet, then get told it wasn't a multi bet ... So 1.5 hours later getting passed around. Rip offs, enjoy the Xmas pissup at my expense, photos uploading to media as I write this review.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#32323D;letter-spacing:.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:6.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:22.0pt;color:#0070C0'><a href="https://au.trustpilot.com/reviews/5eec3cc87dd7530324704683"><span style='color:#0070C0'>I joined 2 weeks ago and I have since…</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#0070C0'>I joined 2 weeks ago and I have since LOST $820.00 to Sportsbet - so they are well in front. I only bet $1550.00 so a 50% loss in significant.<br><br>Sportsbet now tell me I have been cutoff from future promotions AND CANNOT TELL ME WHY - they say the matter is out of their hands.<br><br>Despite my very concerned protestations nobody on their so called CUSTOMER SERVICE line was able to help - I was told that other parties had made that decision !!<br><br>DO NOT TRUST SPORTSBET<br><br>I am rightly annoyed and AT LEAST worthy of some respect in relation<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#0070C0'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:6.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:22.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#32323D;letter-spacing:.4pt'><a href="https://au.trustpilot.com/reviews/5e9be0b9086b6409bc87e59a"><span style='color:#32323D'>I placed a fixed price bet on Lanken…</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#32323D;letter-spacing:.4pt'>I placed a fixed price bet on Lanken Star at 44 to 1 Caulfield on the 15/04/2020. $2200.00 result.<br>On the 18/04/2020 there were four scratchings. I took a screen shot of the scratchings, no deductions<br>I also checked Beteasy, TAB, and Ladbrokes they also notified no deductions<br>I also had two friends place a bet on Lanken Star with Ladbrokes and Betesy at fixed odds, there were no deductions taken from there bet.<br>I contacted SPORTSBET to ask why they deducted $550.00 from my bet when there were no deductions notified after the scratchings on saturday their reply was sorry the deductions stand.<br>Sportsbet are not a reputable company to bet with, when they moved the go<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#32323D;letter-spacing:.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:6.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:24.0pt;color:#0070C0'><a href="https://au.trustpilot.com/reviews/5e6df8453c93ae091808275d"><span style='color:#0070C0'>Joke company.They advertise "a punter…</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:16.0pt;color:#0070C0'>Joke company.They advertise "a punter had $10,000" on a horse or footy game yet you try and have a couple of hundred and they take a partial bet of $30 or so .Full of rubbish! Overseas BS artist.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:16.0pt;color:#0070C0'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:6.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:22.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#32323D;letter-spacing:.4pt'><a href="https://au.trustpilot.com/reviews/5e59fbfc3c93ae0bc40ca395"><span style='color:#32323D'>SportsBet is a literal SCAM</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#32323D;letter-spacing:.4pt'>SportsBet is a literal SCAM. They will adjust the descriptions of bets after you have placed them and they will manipulate the results of bets against documented factual outcomes in order to resolve a bet in their favour.<br><br>Customer support is arrogant and couldn't care less about retaining your business. One of the worst SCAM companies I've ever seen.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:#F2F2F5'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1A66FF;letter-spacing:.4pt'><a href="https://au.trustpilot.com/users/5def4da41ef7dca7afdc5b17"><span style='color:#1A66FF;text-decoration:none'><br><br></span></a></span><span class=MsoHyperlink><span style='color:#1A66FF;text-decoration:none'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:16.0pt;color:#0070C0'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:16.0pt;color:#0070C0'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0070C0;letter-spacing:.4pt'><a href="https://au.trustpilot.com/users/5e59fae6878feef7a4caadcd"><span style='color:#0070C0;text-decoration:none'><br><br></span></a></span><span class=MsoHyperlink><span 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class=MsoHyperlink><span style='color:#1A66FF;text-decoration:none'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1A66FF;letter-spacing:.4pt'><a href="https://au.trustpilot.com/users/5ee35358e0be995f5f77a095"><span style='color:#1A66FF;text-decoration:none'><br><br></span></a></span><span class=MsoHyperlink><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:windowtext;letter-spacing:.4pt;text-decoration:none'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:#32323D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#32323D;letter-spacing:.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#32323D;letter-spacing:.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#0070C0'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#0070C0'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#0070C0'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1A66FF;letter-spacing:.4pt'><a href="https://au.trustpilot.com/users/5f5c40b1397ac29c5ac93d5f"><span style='color:#1A66FF;text-decoration:none'><br><br></span></a></span><span class=MsoHyperlink><span style='color:#1A66FF;text-decoration:none'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#32323D;letter-spacing:.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#32323D;letter-spacing:.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#32323D;letter-spacing:.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#32323D;letter-spacing:.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#32323D;letter-spacing:.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#0070C0;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#0070C0;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#0070C0;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Racing <<a href="mailto:racing-bounces@ausrace.com">racing-bounces@ausrace.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>L.B.Loveday<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 21, 2020 9:04 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:racing@ausrace.com">racing@ausrace.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusRace] Classic Bet<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Quote: New players or not they are <span style='background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow'>ALL</span> tarred with the same brush.....<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Comment on this Ken?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><img border=0 width=676 height=366 style='width:7.0416in;height:3.8125in' id="Picture_x0020_2" src="cid:image001.png@01D6A92C.378F4640"><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:ausrace-bounces@ausrace.com">ausrace-bounces@ausrace.com</a> On Behalf Of Ken Blake<br>Sent: Friday, 4 September 2015 9:27 AM<br>To: <a href="mailto:ausrace@ausrace.com">ausrace@ausrace.com</a><br>Subject: [AusRace] Classic Bet</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Len.......You are an A grade Masochist.....why do you torture yourself with these ongoing interactions with the corporate sector.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>New players or not they are ALL tarred with the same brush.....<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>You summed it up perfectly " Gutless, incompetent, dishonest - they should preface their advertisements with "We welcome compulsive gamblers, desperates trying to gamble their way out of poverty, and those with mental illnesses. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>If there is a chance you may win, don't waste your time; we won't accept your business.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>There is an on course / online bookmaker here in W.A. .....PUNTA<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>They display liabilities of each runner at the that particular price in 'amount available' similar to Betfair......<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>From their website: Unlike your typical online bookmaker, we're listening.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>We want to know the price you're after for the bet you want.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Punters betting with PUNTA Bookmaking have the ability to request a price for any given runner on a featured meeting. All requests are considered, whilst reasonably sized and priced bets are more likely to be approved. For example; $100 at the requested price of $7 rather, than at the displayed price of $6.50.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>PUNTA also displays the 'amount available' at the price on offer. This aims to reduce frustration in being transparent on how much is able to be bet up front. Once the amount on offer has been consumed, the price on offer will reduce and the limits will be reset.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Bets at the displayed price and within normal betting limits will automatically be approved.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>If you have any questions regarding the operation of any of the above,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>So it doesn't matter if you've won thousands for weeks on end there is no account closure here.......you can bet what is available.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>....this is a step in the right direction and if somebody had any balls in the administrative side of wagering they would make this mandatory across the wagering sector.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>.....under the current umbrella the Corporate sector is a wagering industry cancer.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Unfortunately PUNTA only operates on local W.A racing. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>AusRace mailing list<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><a href="mailto:AusRace@ausrace.com"><span style='color:black;text-decoration:none'>AusRace@ausrace.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><a href="http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/ausrace"><span style='color:black;text-decoration:none'>http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/ausrace</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>