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<div dir="auto">Thanks for the love Len,
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<div dir="auto">But it’s Greg Conroy - not Conway.</div>
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<div dir="auto">However, those bugs on Dynamic I’ve noticed myself - indeed, there’s hundreds of them.</div>
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<div dir="auto">I used to tell Karl (the programmer behind the software - a one man band, self taught) of all the bugs on a daily basis but since TBH (ASX) have taken over them, he is too busy being a millionaire to be worried about fixing software.</div>
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<div dir="auto">A fellow ex-tab mate (we were all very well taught, we were the cream - literally- of computer scientists each year … as the tab would interview about 30 applicants for the Computer Science degree at NSWIT/UTS (Uni Of Technology, Sydney) each year and the best three would get a scholarship to uni … described Karl’s code as a “ball of mud” when he saw it as Karl also wrote the prototype for www.rewardbet.com</div>
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<div dir="auto">My mate spent 9 months rewriting it to make it a proper application up to my standards. Karl wrote the original ‘ball of mud’ in three months and it was fixed price - so the quicker he hacked it together, the better it was for him.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Anyways, my eye for detail can be very frustrating as bugs like you point out are everywhere.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Yes, programmers today are sloppy as they have tools that allow them to cover up many such errors and outlier situations (what every programmer should always consider) are not thought through. </div>
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<div dir="auto">Close enough is good enough for many of these.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Cheers, Greg Conroy. </div>
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<div name="messageReplySection">On 24 Feb 2020, 1:06 PM +1100, L.B.Loveday <lloveday@ozemail.com.au>, wrote:<br />
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">That bet was outside of MBL hours, but if it were after 9am, they would have had to accept, and would have accepted, $173.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I can live with, but not like, the "minimal level" provided by MBL, especially as TopSport, SportsBet, Neds and TAB generally bet it, or better, 24/7, and Betzero provides certainty by sticking rigidly to MBL.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">What I find the worst " sad indictment of the times we live in" is the incompetence of the IT providers, of which this is a good example. Due in part to the fact that there are so many programmers these days, and just as with the consequences of smaller school class sizes requiring more teachers being poorer teachers on average, the average ability of programmers is far inferior to days of yore.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">BetZero won't take bets at prices of 2.88, 1.57, 1.44 via Dynamic Odds, and has never done so - it reports "price changed from 2.88 to 2.88 etc); how hard would that be to rectify?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">This does not affect functionality, but…</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">How hard can that be to fix?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">The web-sites get "upgraded" but lose useful features without adding any useful additions. Greg Conway has commented on this site about the contrast between today's site designers and his team when he implemented TAB's original site.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">So many use red and green to "differentiate" despite 10-12% of male Caucasians, their main customers, being red-green colour-blind.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">On-line bookmakers regularly put up 90% books and less that I can see in a second are wrong despite having computer programs written by "whiz-kids" who'd regard me as a slow-thinking dinosaur….</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">The newspapers are full of spelling and grammatical mistakes that were not prevalent in the days pre-spelling and grammar-checks…………….'</span><span style="color:black"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I am now downloading and storing BFSP Win prices - I can't find the Place prices in a downloadable form, but I can't see how they are useful anyway, the bet/lay "matches" are tiny. 95% of my bets are Place, so the BFSP Win is of minimal interest.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I had just 3 win bets yesterday:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black">Fixed price obtained BFSP SOP Top Final Fixed</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black">19.00 9.40(8.56 nett) 9.00 9.50</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black">5.40 5.00(4.76 nett) 4.60 4.80</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black">7.70 8.72(8.25 nett) 6.50 7.50</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Despite a BF rep buying me breakfast and explaining how BFSP is determined, I have no confidence in the integrity of the product - there is, in my opinion, almost an absence of transparency and I could easily produce a pricing algorithm to favour either takers or layers, yes in the few seconds before they appear, well before the race is determined.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Today also just 3 win bets:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Quean 7/13 161.00</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Bath 4/1 3.65</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Quean 4/4 6.00</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-AU" xml:lang="EN-US">From:</span></b> <span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-AU" xml:lang="EN-US">Racing <b>On Behalf Of</b> Ken Blake<br />
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 24 February 2020 11:20 AM<br />
<b>To:</b> 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' <racing@ausrace.com><br />
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusRace] Dudded, well and truly.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Ahhh Len….you gotta love ‘em, just another instance of the thousands of reprehensible acts and the utter disdain they hold their clientele in.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Yes Len, I understand your predicament, but I was of the belief that you had been pretty much red flagged across the board and throttled back to a minimal level.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">So I am surprised that they have accepted a $150 wager.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The problem I see with this instance is that the wager was placed through a 3<sup>rd</sup> party, so the issue may in fact lie with a Dynamic Odds algorithm failure.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Of course both platforms will point the finger at each other trying to absolve liability.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">So please keep us informed, as I like many, will be interested to the final resolution.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">It’s reached a disturbing stage when one has to screenshot every bet as evidential backup for a possible dispute procedure. Just a sad indictment of the times we live in.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">KB</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-AU" xml:lang="EN-US">From:</span></b> <span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-AU" xml:lang="EN-US">Racing [<a href="mailto:racing-bounces@ausrace.com">mailto:racing-bounces@ausrace.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of</b> L.B.Loveday<br />
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, February 23, 2020 3:47 PM<br />
<b>To:</b> 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' <<a href="mailto:racing@ausrace.com">racing@ausrace.com</a>><br />
<b>Subject:</b> [AusRace] Dudded, well and truly.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I placed this bet on Pt Lincoln 1/6 via Dynamic Odds this morning</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">But it was recorded on Ned's site as Pt Lincoln 1/7:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I could not find a "proper" email for Neds, so before 8am used their internal "email":</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i>I backed PtLincoln 1/6 Conge at $3.30 with Dynamic Odds. I have screen shots, if you need them.</i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i>When I checked on NEDS.com.au, you have recorded them as being on 1/7, Hayzelle.</i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i>I backed Conge, not Hayzelle - can you please rectify or cancel.</i></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I had received no response by 9:30 (and still have not) so I used their "Live Chat", using the same words as in the email, with the addition:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I backed PtLincoln 1/6 Conge at $3.30 with Dynamic Odds. I have screen shots, if you need them.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">When I checked on NEDS.com.au, you have recorded them as being on 1/7, Hayzelle.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I backed Conge, not Hayzelle - can you please rectify or cancel.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i>I sent an email, but no response.</i></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I received a response from "Jared":</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">but "one moment" became many minutes (I did not just sit there looking at the screen, but came back every few minutes).</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Then the "Chat" was terminated because it had been idle for so long - due to "Jared" not getting back to me! I was asked for feedback and thanked for it:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The only recourse is the crooked NTRC, who would, 99.9% certainty, invent some reason to rule for Neds. A waste of my time other than to cause an inconvenience to Neds; it's not a fortune.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ken Blake may see that as another excuse to not "bet <span style="color:#1F497D">with Corporate thieves"</span>; it's not - the reason to bet with Corporates is to make money and stopping doing would be a classic case of "cutting off your nose to spite your face"!</p>
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