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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Len,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> The point is, and you should know better than anyone, you can say I’m getting better prices than Betfair, but if you are throttled back to $5 max bet then the whole exercise becomes futile.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Ken<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'> Racing [mailto:racing-bounces@ausrace.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>L.B.Loveday<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 14, 2020 10:30 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' <racing@ausrace.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusRace] Deductions "Scam"<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Ken, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black;background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow'>Maybe these bets this morning will help the getting of your head around:</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Scone 7/2 31/5.5<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Scone 7/10 15/3.4<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Do you think BF SP prices will be better?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>By the way, do you think the BF SP prices are fairly determined? Not influenced by ZR's or other's position? Not inflated on those with no, or little, money bet to give a false impression?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>As I write, declared BF SP markets for the last 12 races anywhere are:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>97.1 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>99.3<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>102.3<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>97.6<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>93.3<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>99.8<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>104.2<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>100.0<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>98.6<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>102.9<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>98.7<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>98.7<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>So, under 100% average, cf last available bet price markets of 102-108%. I smell a rat.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Pub time for me.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>LBL<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'> Racing <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ken Blake<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 9 February 2020 10:15 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' <<a href="mailto:racing@ausrace.com">racing@ausrace.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusRace] Deductions "Scam"<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Len,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> Below Betfair place SP as opposed to New Place prices after deductions race 2 Pinjarra<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> Bookie Betfair<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><ol style='margin-top:0in' start=1 type=1><li class=MsoNormal style='color:#1F497D;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'>3.4 5.24<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:#1F497D;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'>3.4 4.19<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:#1F497D;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'>1.76 2.25<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:#1F497D;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'>SCR<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:#1F497D;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'>1.56 1.9<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:#1F497D;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'>2.4 2.14<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:#1F497D;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'>3.75 6.0<o:p></o:p></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>(commission not deducted) Only 1 inferior price<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>But as usual across the board BF prices far superior.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Still cannot get my head around why people bet with Corporate thieves.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Ken<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'> Racing [<a href="mailto:racing-bounces@ausrace.com">mailto:racing-bounces@ausrace.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>L.B.Loveday<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, February 8, 2020 7:47 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' <<a href="mailto:racing@ausrace.com">racing@ausrace.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [AusRace] Deductions "Scam"<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Pinjarra Race 2 today had #4 scratched when it was 1.80 the Win pretty well across the board.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Both Sportsbetting and TopSport declared deductions of 37% for the Place.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Taking Sportsbetting's pre-scratching market, it's 246%, pretty typical.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>BUT, after deducting 37%, it becomes 267%, highlighting the unfairness of the deduction.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Sportsbetting then put up a new market, at 248%.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>How would you feel if you'd put $435 on #5 at 1.92, saw it reduced to a payout at 1.21 only to see the same bookmaker immediately offer 1.56?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width=0 style='width:353.0pt;border-collapse:collapse'><tr style='height:15.0pt'><td width=80 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:60.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'></td><td width=135 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:101.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'>Original<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=136 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:102.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'>After 37%<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=120 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:1.25in;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'>New Place <o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:15.0pt'><td width=80 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:60.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'>TAB<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=135 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:101.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'>Place Price<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=136 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:102.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'>Deduction<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=120 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:1.25in;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'>Price<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:15.0pt'><td width=80 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:60.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'>1<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=135 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:101.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'>5.90 <o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=136 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:102.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span 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valign=bottom style='width:101.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'>1.29 <o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=136 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:102.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'></td><td width=120 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:1.25in;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'></td></tr><tr style='height:15.0pt'><td width=80 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:60.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'>5<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=135 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:101.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'>1.92 <o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=136 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:102.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'>1.21 <o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=120 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:1.25in;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'>1.56 <o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:15.0pt'><td width=80 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:60.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'>6<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=135 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:101.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'>3.65 <o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=136 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:102.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'>2.30 <o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=120 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:1.25in;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'>2.40 <o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:15.0pt'><td width=80 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:60.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'>7<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=135 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:101.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'>6.10 <o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=136 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:102.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'>3.84 <o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=120 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:1.25in;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'>3.75 <o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:15.0pt'><td width=80 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:60.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'></td><td width=135 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:101.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'></td><td width=136 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:102.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'></td><td width=120 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:1.25in;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'></td></tr><tr style='height:15.0pt'><td width=80 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:60.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'></td><td width=135 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:101.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'>246%<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=136 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:102.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'>267%<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=120 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:1.25in;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'>248%<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>LBL<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></body></html>