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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>That was #9, Belmont Race 4.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> L.B.Loveday <lloveday@ozemail.com.au> <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 19 June 2019 17:53 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' <racing@ausrace.com><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [AusRace] Something else to check<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>TAB Fixed Odds NSW deducted 17% from place bets for the scratching of #9; Qld deducted 14%. How does that work?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I can't see jockey changes or emergencies indicated on TAB NSW, Vic or Qld, leaving only WA TAB highlighting the name of changed jockeys and putting an (e) after the name. Surely this is useful (essential?) information that should not slow things down - (e) certainly would not, and as the jockey name is changed, I can't see that colouring it would either - or at least have a minimally cached section listing jockey changes like they used to; speed not of the essence with that.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Racing <<a href="mailto:racing-bounces@ausrace.com">racing-bounces@ausrace.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Greg Conroy<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 19 June 2019 10:05 AM<br><b>To:</b> Ausrace Racing <<a href="mailto:racing@ausrace.com">racing@ausrace.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusRace] Something else to check<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Yes … still irks me to see the mistakes that these young guns make on their web design. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>It’s pretty simple.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>1. Sell a bet<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>2. Sell a bet<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>3. Sell a bet<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>4. Everything else<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>That is the mantra I instilled in my Internet Development Team. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>As has been well documented by myself internally at Tabcorp, when I happily left them (for Betfair) in 2006, I had a website consultancy come in to test “my site” (that cost about $500,00 to build) vs the “NEW” site (which at that stage had cost $14M or so … and some many more $M after I left) …<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>They were called Mercury Interactive from memory. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Anyway, they measured my site (the old one) and found it to be 7.2 times faster than the “NEW” one!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>In fact, they told me it was the fastest site they’d ever measured up to that point. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>All built for a song using the 1st principals of Computer Science. Remove bottlenecks, and cache intelligently to map your users’ requirements (ie: 90% of web requests are for the next race to jump).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>A bloke called Sean Parkinson (from memory) who worked at QLD TAB (when we were still Government Owned NSW TAB) came and sat with me for 2 weeks and I showed him how I designed the iBet website (as it was called).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>He then emulated that approach and that’s why the old QLD TAB site was so good. Had used the same approach. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Cheers, Greg<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 19 Jun 2019, at 9:55 am, L.B.Loveday <<a href="mailto:lloveday@ozemail.com.au">lloveday@ozemail.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Yes Greg, long, long ago, or so it feels, and as you say, still the same on the web-site. Why principals allow IT to make useless changes, the only purpose I can see for is to justify their pay, I cannot fathom a guess - look at the mess SB's new website was, and the "update" this month is still inferior in useful features to the time-honoured site, while Tatts has become so slow since redesigned by TAB that my original "apprentice" opened a Vic account. MR and I agreed on how functional the UBet site was, and now……<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Via DO the TAB message is "Price Changed", same as BetZero, BetEasy, Sportsbetting, TopBetta, TopSport and maybe others (they are the ones I got the message from in the last 90 days and my memory ain't what it used to be) - don't have screen shots, but some tell you the new price, some don't, so you have to wait a few secs before the update reaches DO.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>LBL<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span lang=EN-US> </span></span><span lang=EN-US>Racing <<a href="mailto:racing-bounces@ausrace.com">racing-bounces@ausrace.com</a>><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Greg Conroy<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Wednesday, 19 June 2019 9:25 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Ausrace Racing <<a href="mailto:racing@ausrace.com">racing@ausrace.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [AusRace] Something else to check</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Interesting … <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>When I setup the TAB SportsBet system (all those years ago) I put in a simple user option which says “Accept current selections at reduced price” preference. Best of both worlds. Simple to do and keep the customers happy. They still use the same phase I created almost 20 years later. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Greg.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white'><br><br></span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 19 Jun 2019, at 8:35 am, L.B.Loveday <<a href="mailto:lloveday@ozemail.com.au"><span style='color:purple'>lloveday@ozemail.com.au</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>DO did not respond to my request for an explanation, so I sent the same email to Sportsbet and got this reply:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#2B2E2F'>******</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#2B2E2F'>Unfortunately we are not directly affiliated with Dynamic odds, so our live odds on our website may vary to what they show. Clearly in this instance their odds were not up to date with our odds and as a result have caused the $00.50c discrepancy. In future to avoid this I would recommend to double check with the SB website to ensure you are receiving the true odds.<br>******</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#2B2E2F'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#2B2E2F'>As odds change in a micro-second, the only way to avoid this is to bet directly with SB - if you check the price on SB's site, then bet via DO (which you might do to have a composite record of bets placed) the price may have changed.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#2B2E2F'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#2B2E2F'>Some other sites report "odds changed", but not SB, you just get whatever they give you, not what DO says they gave you.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#2B2E2F'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#2B2E2F'>As ever, caveat punter.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Greg Conroy, Inventor of Award Winning and Free:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#425AF6'><a href="http://www.rewardbet.com/"><span style='color:purple'>www.rewardbet.com</span></a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span> … read more: </span><a href="https://about.rewardbet.com/"><span style='color:purple'>https://about.rewardbet.com/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>And author of <a href="https://winwithoutform/"><span style='color:purple'>https://winwithoutform</span></a>.com<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>_______________________________________________<br>Racing mailing list<br></span><a href="mailto:Racing@ausrace.com"><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:purple'>Racing@ausrace.com</span></a><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><br></span><a href="http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com"><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:purple'>http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Greg Conroy, Inventor of Award Winning and Free:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#425AF6'><a href="http://www.rewardbet.com">www.rewardbet.com</a> … read more: </span><span style='color:black'><a href="https://about.rewardbet.com/">https://about.rewardbet.com/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>And author of <a href="https://winwithoutform">https://winwithoutform</a>.com<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>