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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Sean,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I ran my program to count runs per trainer and it took 5 seconds to run - the program was pre-written (by me) and so the only time required on my part is keying "DO ADDTN". (And then COPY & PASTE the output to here). The file of 5 million runs that I extracted the data from was likely in a buffer, so it may take a few seconds longer if I booted up the computer and then ran it as my first job.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>But my point is not time to extract, but that there is next-to-zero chance that the 211 unique trainer-names with the surname Smith in my database are discrete people, and the process of determining whether, and when, A Smith is the same trainer as Ms A Smith and, or, Ms Alison Smith (A Smith and Ms A Smith are listed at different times as trainer of the same horses, as are Ms A Smith and Ms Alison Smith - did different people train the horses at different times, or do the 3 names represent 1 discrete person, or 2?) is just a bridge too far for me, and the alternatives are to run with all-but certain wrongly-derived statistics or leave trainers out of the rating process:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>A D Smith 359<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>A F Smith 80<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>A J Smith 58<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>A L Smith 66<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>A Smith 198<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>B B Smith 56<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>B G Smith 432<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>B J Smith 458<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>B M Smith 70<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>B S Smith 129<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>B Smith 3324<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Ben Smith 538<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Bob Smith (rj) 1<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Brad Smith 409<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>C G Smith 126<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>C L Smith 2565<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>C P Smith 12<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>C Smith 2167<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Colin Smith 155<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Craig Smith 2876<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>D P Smith 4892<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>D S Smith 596<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>D Smith 313<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Damien Smith 17<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Dane Smith 542<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>David A Smith 251<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>David J Smith 190<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>David Smith 249<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>David W Smith 81<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>F E Smith 1149<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>F J Smith 183<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Francis Smith 28<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>G C Smith 1248<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>G D Smith 5<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>G M Smith 1<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>G Smith 46<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Gareth Smith 309<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Garry Smith 30<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Geoff Smith 39<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Gregory Smith 44<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>H J Smith 281<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>J A Smith 524<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>J B Smith 2470<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>J C Smith 112<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>J E Smith 65<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>J L Smith 197<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>J Smith 33<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jeremy Smith 399<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>K C Smith 489<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>K L Smith 267<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>K M Smith 47<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>K N Smith 511<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>K R Smith 459<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>K Smith 68<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>K T Smith 524<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Kelvin Smith 558<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>L A Smith 115<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>L C Smith 88<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>L J Smith 1010<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>L R Smith 77<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>L Smith 4368<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Les Smith 86<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>M J Smith 1259<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>M K Smith 260<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>M Smith 624<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>M W Smith 281<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Marilyn Smith 3<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Matthew Smith 2552<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Max Smith 50<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Melissa Smith 2<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Ms A J Smith 2<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Ms A Smith 1836<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Ms Alison Smith 1829<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Ms C Smith 34<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Ms D Smith 360<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Ms F Smith 167<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Ms H Smith 93<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Ms J M Smith 140<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Ms J Smith 263<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Ms K Smith 6<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Ms L C Smith 540<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Ms L Smith 80<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Ms M Smith 241<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Ms R Smith 70<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>N T Smith 70<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>O R Smith 46<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>O Smith 5<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>P A Smith 243<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>P J Smith 24<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>P R Smith 7<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>P Smith 364<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Paul Smith 763<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Peter Smith 1016<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>R G Smith 67<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>R J Smith 147<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>R K Smith 107<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>R L Smith 154<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>R R Smith 52<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>R Smith 202<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Rochelle Smith 944<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Ronald Smith 41<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Russell Smith 30<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>S G Smith 72<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>S J Smith 3<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>S L Smith 224<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>S M Smith 258<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>S Smith 88<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>T A Smith 6<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>T J Smith 313<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>T Smith 140<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>T T Smith 54<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Trevor J Smith 11<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Racing <racing-bounces@ausrace.com> <b>On Behalf Of </b>sean mclaren<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 29 January 2019 2:06 AM<br><b>To:</b> AusRace Racing Discussion List <racing@ausrace.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusRace] Jockeys generally<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>hello again<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>ignore the final column called Runs.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>i had not cross checked. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>the initial query for Dec 18 generated 16460 runs for trainers nationally.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>the smiths were extracted as a sub set.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>thanks<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 12:49 AM sean mclaren <<a href="mailto:seanmac4321@gmail.com">seanmac4321@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width=219 style='width:164.0pt;border-collapse:collapse'><tr style='height:14.4pt'><td width=123 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:92.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>trainer<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=41 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:31.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>state<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=55 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:41.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>runs<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:14.4pt'><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>A D Smith <o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>NSW<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='color:black'>5<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:14.4pt'><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>A D Smith <o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>WA<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='color:black'>1<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:14.4pt'><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>B J Smith <o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>QLND<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='color:black'>11<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:14.4pt'><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>B S Smith <o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>NSW<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='color:black'>3<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:14.4pt'><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>B Smith <o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>QLND<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='color:black'>3<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:14.4pt'><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>C Smith <o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>QLND<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='color:black'>35<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:14.4pt'><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>D J Smith <o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>NSW<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='color:black'>1<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:14.4pt'><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>D S Smith <o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>NSW<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='color:black'>5<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:14.4pt'><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>D Smith <o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>NSW<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='color:black'>2<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:14.4pt'><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>D Smith <o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>VIC<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='color:black'>18<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:14.4pt'><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>F E Smith <o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>QLND<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='color:black'>5<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:14.4pt'><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>G Smith <o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>QLND<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='color:black'>2<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:14.4pt'><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>J Smith <o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>NSW<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='color:black'>2<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:14.4pt'><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>K Smith <o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>NSW<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='color:black'>1<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:14.4pt'><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>L Smith <o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>WA<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='color:black'>3<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:14.4pt'><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>M J Smith <o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>ACT<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='color:black'>6<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:14.4pt'><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>M Smith <o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>NSW<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='color:black'>16<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:14.4pt'><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Ms A J Smith <o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>WA<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='color:black'>3<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:14.4pt'><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Ms A Smith <o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>NSW<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='color:black'>8<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:14.4pt'><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Ms J Smith <o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>VIC<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='color:black'>1<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:14.4pt'><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>P A Smith <o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>NSW<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='color:black'>2<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:14.4pt'><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>P Smith <o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>NSW<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='color:black'>1<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:14.4pt'><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>P Smith <o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>VIC<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='color:black'>1<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:14.4pt'><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>R G Smith <o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>WA<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='color:black'>3<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:14.4pt'><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>R Smith <o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>NSW<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='color:black'>22<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:14.4pt'><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>S L Smith <o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>NSW<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=bottom style='padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm .75pt;height:14.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='color:black'>6<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>hello Len<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>national Dec 2018 numbers for the unique Smiths.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>35 mins. total<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>near 10 mins waiting for the query. Export to excel. Query, Sort, Format count etc etc<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>i can offer no further comment.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks Sean<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 12:50 PM L.B.Loveday <<a href="mailto:lloveday@ozemail.com.au" target="_blank">lloveday@ozemail.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Easily via tables BUT "</span> Agreed the work upfront is a tough but not insurmountable". Tough indeed.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Even with top trainers, I have problems as discussed earlier:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>D Hayes </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>D J Hayes </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>D & B Hayes & T </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>David Hayes </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>David Hayes & To</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>D, B & T Hayes &</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>G Waterhouse & A</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Ms G Waterhouse </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>G & A Waterhouse</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>WORSE, in a complementary data-base separately sourced, for only the last 8 years, I have additionals:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>DHayes </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>D&BHayes </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>and:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>GWaterhouse </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>G&AWaterhouse </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>MsGWaterhouse </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Then what about this tiny non-random sample of 43 trainers out of the 11,421 I have in my current (non-archived) data base?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>A D Smith </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>A F Smith </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>A J Smith </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>A L Smith </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>A Smith </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Ms A J Smith </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Ms A Smith </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Ms Alison Smith </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>J A Smith </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>J B Smith </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>J C Smith </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>J E Smith </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>J L Smith </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>J Smith </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Jeremy Smith </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Ms J M Smith </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Ms J Smith </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>K C Smith </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>K L Smith </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>K M Smith </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>K N Smith </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>K R Smith </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>K Smith </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>K T Smith </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Kelvin Smith </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Ms K Smith </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>L A Smith </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>L C Smith </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>L J Smith </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>L R Smith </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>L Smith </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Les Smith </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Ms L C Smith </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Ms L Smith </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>M J Smith </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>M K Smith </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>M Smith </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>M W Smith </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Marilyn Smith </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Matthew Smith </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Max Smith </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Melissa Smith </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Ms M Smith </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>I can't be bothered looking up how many additionals there are in the complementary 8-year file.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>How long do you figure it would take to be 99% sure you had determined how many unique trainers are in the 43 names (and of course thus form a tiny part of the required table)?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Then do the same for at the other 11,378 names? Then match to the 8-year file?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Racing <<a href="mailto:racing-bounces@ausrace.com" target="_blank">racing-bounces@ausrace.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>sean mclaren<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 28 January 2019 8:54 AM<br><b>To:</b> AusRace Racing Discussion List <<a href="mailto:racing@ausrace.com" target="_blank">racing@ausrace.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusRace] Jockeys generally</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>And I should add that names of jockeys or trainers can be easily overcome in excel via look-up tables or in access via a table. The fuss escapes me. Agreed the work upfront is a tough but not insurmountable. The challenge for mine is placing a value on a jockey or a trainer that's in sync with the scale of my type of performance rating. Which is why leaving them in their raw state, as Roman does, is still quite appealing. Apart from its simplicity, it shouldn't be ignored that a degree of randomness is created by default and in a chaotic space (ie a horse Race) that could translate into better prices because of unfashionable jockeys / trainers. Just some thoughts. <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 13:55 Tony Moffat <<a href="mailto:tonymoffat@bigpond.com" target="_blank">tonymoffat@bigpond.com</a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Roman – my response to Len wasn’t intended as having a shot at you, and your assertion, but more to show that the values were aligning, at least in the case of SGuymer and his 115/1.15.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Personally, I like to involve the exposed values of runners engaged in the upcoming race and minimize, if I can, the magical addings/dividings/other things needed to construct a rank. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Let’s call it evidence based handicapping.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>I do use the market – firstly, if you divide the place dividend by the win dividend and rank the result you can see at a glance those runners which have a disproportionate sum plonked for the win – my cut off value is 41% - the place dividend is 41% of the win, which is the ‘normal’ range for most out to $9, then the place div % falls away, the longer divs out there in the badlands are being bet/hunted by somebody.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Caulfield R7 yesterday – the one runner over 41% is 4AlGayel 48% from $1.5/$2.5 – skinny I know but you get the gist.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Caulfield R8 yesterday – the one runner over 41% is 8Manolo 50% from $1.4/$2.8 – skinny etc.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Randwic R9 yesterday - there are two selections over 41% - 1<sup>ST</sup> and 2<sup>ND</sup> $1.80/$1.5</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Randwic R8 yesterday - the one runner over 41% is 8Sondelon 42% from $1.4/$3.3</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Randwic R7 yesterday - there are two selections over 41% - Unp and Unp – so it is not perfect.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Randwic R6 yesterday - the one runner over 41% is 8Sei Stella 58% from $1.5/$2.6</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>SunCoast R8 yesterday- the winner was ranked 11, the 2<sup>nd</sup> was ranked 4, and the 3<sup>rd</sup> was ranked 10<sup>th</sup> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>So it is not perfect. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>See the story of JIM, Jim and jim about scoring off these types of bets. jim (all lowercase) has been known to move</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>$1k on these until he accumulates his daily take – it was $1700 – and never less than $1k if the pool is large (enough)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>I rank the quinella dividends then countif those runner numbers involved in the first 10 – this may include up to 5 or more horses.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>My feeling was that, when I commenced doing that, that astuteness from others caused them to select their bets and I could benefit from that.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Those other punters had made an effort I considered, in isolation though. Now the inclusion of flexi betting has affected that a lot but it still</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>‘seems to be’ a good strong lead. You need access to a matrix, not always allowed now.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>I can do it with exacta divs as well – it is much of a muchness.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>All of the data above was from final dividends. In the sometimes frantic betting scene before a race, with data changing 3 times a second, you have to take a stab occasionally, and to hope that your selection holds it’s value, they normally do.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Cheers]</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Tony</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Racing [mailto:<a href="mailto:racing-bounces@ausrace.com" target="_blank">racing-bounces@ausrace.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Roman<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 25, 2019 5:51 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' <<a href="mailto:racing@ausrace.com" target="_blank">racing@ausrace.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusRace] Jockeys generally</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Hi Tony,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>I respect the fact you have your way that works for you as Sean has his. That’s how the punt goes for those keen enough to go past “pluck a duck” with a cursory ten minute look or listen to various tipsters.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>The one constant I can quote is that the racetrack market is what I call “linear”. I assume that’s the correct term where I mean favs win more times than 2<sup>nd</sup> favs who win more than 3<sup>rd</sup> favs and so on. Thus the SP figure is linear in that $2.50 chances win more than $4 chances who win more than $7 chances and so on. I am sure we all agree that this general premise is correct in the high 90’s percentage wise.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Therefore, the rating of jockeys and trainers can be aligned to this premise and their LOT or POT should give a reasonably clear picture of whether they are up to the market assessment. Where this can go asunder a fraction is that top trainers runners are overbet by a lazy public who think the likes of Waller Hayes and Weir can train every favourite to win. As most on this site realise many of their horses are “unders”. Nevertheless that can be factored in.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>In the file I have DKWeir 7516 runners for minus 23.8%LOT, D Hayes 4710 for -17.6% LOT however at $3 or less Weir 1053 runners for -5.1% whilst Hayes with 529 runners is -11.2%.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>So, if betting all odds, as I assume you do, you would use the larger set you would credit Hayes with more points. The favs punters would give DKW a better figure.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>These figures are, of course, open to all sorts of personal interpretation if I add that overall from 7513 runners at $3 or less covering all trainers the LOT is 8.1%. I am not sure but would 5.1 divided by 8.1% give a figure or should it be vice versa.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Naturally, a similar process for jockeys would find some riders of $3 or less chances, for instance, better than others. From there some jockey/trainer combos would be another facet i.e. Yendall/Weir, Allen/Weir, Bowman/Waller et al but a downside for some combos would be not enough runs.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>However, all said above is just one way!!</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Cheers</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Roman</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> Racing [<a href="mailto:racing-bounces@ausrace.com" target="_blank">mailto:racing-bounces@ausrace.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tony Moffat<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 25, 2019 1:59 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:racing@ausrace.com" target="_blank">racing@ausrace.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusRace] Jockeys generally</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Len – thanks</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Kozzi’s assertion that the iv are poles apart does not hold up here – I have similar scores to yours. I leave mine at 1.15 for Guymer and you promote him by multiplying by a hundred (de-decimate?) to get 115 (I guess).</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>I wanted a score in the here and now and that is how/why I came to derive the iv, it is contemporaneous with other riders in this race, their presence affects its score somewhat, a little, and never majorly. It is not uniquely mine, by the way. It involves the use of all the placings, I had included the win record only, then added second place(s) to see how that ran and have reverted to this input now.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>My calculations are in the mould of ‘ok, what can you do’, looking forward, and others can be described as ‘look what I done’.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>The inclusion of performance at price bands might be the best but I don’t have that data, the prices of past endeavors. I can access it, the prices, but choose not to manually enter it, and who would do that. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Yes, I do iv for jockeys (as you know) and also trainer, horse, distance and form and multiply these to get a value for each runner – highest is best. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Form is a two part process. I involve their last 4 runs by multiplying the places together, remove the worst result, then rank that – this appears to be strong information, and has always been.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>As a factor in a weight rating process used, I again involve their places but this time I start from a base of 9 (the worst there can be) then subtract each succeeding run from the previous product until I get a score from which I can calculate a rating to win. So 6214, comes out as -3,-4,-1,3 and when summed this is -3+-4+-1+3 = -5. The -3(minus three) came from 6-9 = -3, the -4 (minus 4) came from 6-2 = -4, the -1 (minus 1) came from 2-1 =-1, and the (+)3 came from 4 minus 1 = +3. The -5 for this runner, and the calculated scores for all runners is then multiplied by 1.5 to give a weight rating variation and this product is then added to the limit weight for this race and the allocated weight deducted from that. The best result, the highest/biggest number resulting from that is considered the best for this race, and you can zero that against the other calculated weights to sort out the weight rated best ranking.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>I use a variation of this method in my own punting, having streamlined a few of the calculations, but the principles are the same, and the selections also. I back more than one runner in each chosen race, often a quinella now, and for several years, with a saver on some of the quinella inclusions. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>I don’t use or include the iv selections in my punting yet, I may do soon, and include it here only for information and comment.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Cheers</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Tony</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>FROM THE ARCHIVES</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m-5499514321693640788gmail-m3009451768723601996m-7103500080281499443msoplaintext><span lang=EN-US>From: <a href="mailto:ausrace-bounces@ausrace.com" target="_blank">ausrace-bounces@ausrace.com</a> [<a href="mailto:ausrace-bounces@ausrace.com" target="_blank">mailto:ausrace-bounces@ausrace.com</a>] On Behalf Of Nick at Twonix</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m-5499514321693640788gmail-m3009451768723601996m-7103500080281499443msoplaintext><span lang=EN-US>Sent: Thursday, 5 November 2015 1:29 PM</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m-5499514321693640788gmail-m3009451768723601996m-7103500080281499443msoplaintext><span lang=EN-US>To: 'AusRace Mailing List' <<a href="mailto:ausrace@ausrace.com" target="_blank">ausrace@ausrace.com</a>>; 'L.B.Loveday'</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m-5499514321693640788gmail-m3009451768723601996m-7103500080281499443msoplaintext><span lang=EN-US><<a href="mailto:lloveday@ozemail.com.au" target="_blank">lloveday@ozemail.com.au</a>></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m-5499514321693640788gmail-m3009451768723601996m-7103500080281499443msoplaintext><span lang=EN-US>Subject: Re: [AusRace] Michelle Payne</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m-5499514321693640788gmail-m3009451768723601996m-7103500080281499443msoplaintext><span lang=EN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m-5499514321693640788gmail-m3009451768723601996m-7103500080281499443msoplaintext><span lang=EN-US>I did an analysis of 271 K Aus races rides over last 2-3 years and discovered that Male jockeys have a 2% better strike rate and a 3% better A2E (think POT betting to prices).</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m-5499514321693640788gmail-m3009451768723601996m-7103500080281499443msoplaintext><span lang=EN-US>However Apprentices ( both Male and Female) have the same Strike Rate and A2E . Licensed Male jockeys have a 6% better A2E compared to Female jockeys.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m-5499514321693640788gmail-m3009451768723601996m-7103500080281499443msoplaintext><span lang=EN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m-5499514321693640788gmail-m3009451768723601996m-7103500080281499443msoplaintext><span lang=EN-US>Category Rides Wins S/Rate ExpW</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m-5499514321693640788gmail-m3009451768723601996m-7103500080281499443msoplaintext><span lang=EN-US>A2E</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m-5499514321693640788gmail-m3009451768723601996m-7103500080281499443msoplaintext><span lang=EN-US>Aus Races 271,662 35,340 13% 40,474 -13%</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m-5499514321693640788gmail-m3009451768723601996m-7103500080281499443msoplaintext><span lang=EN-US> Female 40,478 4,626 11% 5,448 -15%</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m-5499514321693640788gmail-m3009451768723601996m-7103500080281499443msoplaintext><span lang=EN-US> Apprentice 21,840 2,549 12% 2,930 -13%</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m-5499514321693640788gmail-m3009451768723601996m-7103500080281499443msoplaintext><span lang=EN-US> Licensed 18,638 2,077 11% 2,518 -18%</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m-5499514321693640788gmail-m3009451768723601996m-7103500080281499443msoplaintext><span lang=EN-US> Male 231,184 30,714 13% 35,026 -12%</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m-5499514321693640788gmail-m3009451768723601996m-7103500080281499443msoplaintext><span lang=EN-US> Apprentice 54,329 6,789 12% 7,840 -13%</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m-5499514321693640788gmail-m3009451768723601996m-7103500080281499443msoplaintext><span lang=EN-US> Licensed 176,855 23,925 14% 27,186 -12%</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m-5499514321693640788gmail-m3009451768723601996m-7103500080281499443msoplaintext><span lang=EN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m-5499514321693640788gmail-m3009451768723601996m-7103500080281499443msoplaintext><span lang=EN-US>AN</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m-5499514321693640788gmail-m3009451768723601996m-7103500080281499443msoplaintext><span lang=EN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m-5499514321693640788gmail-m3009451768723601996m-7103500080281499443msoplaintext><span lang=EN-US>Len, I was able to distinguish Female jockeys in AAP data as they all start with "Ms ". I am assuming that MS Dhoni doesn't ride in Aus :-)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m-5499514321693640788gmail-m3009451768723601996m-7103500080281499443msoplaintext><span lang=EN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Racing [<a href="mailto:racing-bounces@ausrace.com" target="_blank">mailto:racing-bounces@ausrace.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>L.B.Loveday<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 22, 2019 9:50 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' <<a href="mailto:racing@ausrace.com" target="_blank">racing@ausrace.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusRace] Jockeys generally</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>"Raw wins and wins and placings" don't mean much in absence of prices - it's easy to back winners; just back every runner at 1/1 or less and you'll back around 56% of winners, and "just" lose about 5.5%.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Nor is just looking at past returns enough - factors such as those you list, and eg, track, trainer should be considered.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Here's a simplistic look at some figures that could be used:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Considering the last 1000 rides for jockeys who have had at least 1000 rides in the past 14 years (a somewhat different picture arises if only considering since the advent of SOP rather than traditional SP as SOP markets have lower market%s, especially away from Sydney/Melbourne tracks):</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Best returns @ SP: </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>SThornton 101</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>MJWalker 103</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>WD'Avila 103</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>CParnham 104</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>VWong 104</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>DMoor 105</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>PWells 105</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>DWBallard 107</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>SFawke 113</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>SGuymer 115</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>JOliver 117</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>Considering only rides on horses "in the market" - gets rid of outliers like 125/1 winners:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>JPStanley 100</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>JPracey-Holm 100</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>JTaylor 100</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>MWeir 100</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>RFradd 100</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>RonStewart 100</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>KWalters 102</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>SLisnyy 102</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>LJMeech 103</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>TPannell 103</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>CGallagher 104</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>RMaloney 106</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>CHall 107</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>BWerner 108</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>DWBallard 108</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>JLyon 109</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>PWells 109</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>SThornton 109</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>CNutman 110</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>VBolozhinsky 112</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>Worst returns @SP:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>LGHenry 21</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>JeffKehoe 31</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>DPitomac 33</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>TJeffries 33</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>SBayliss 34</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>JMissen 36</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>MJStephens 37</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>ABadger 38</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>NRose 38</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>SStarley 38</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>ECockram 39</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>JKeating 39</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>MHackett 39</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>RYetimova 39</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>SParnham 39</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>Considering only rides on horses "in the market" (as I've previously said LGHenry is in a class of her own):</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>LGHenry 27</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>MJStephens 32</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>SBayliss 36</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>CBryen 41</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>JMissen 43</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>SGalvin 45</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>SStarley 45</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>ABadger 46</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>DPitomac 46</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>BPowell 47</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>MHackett 47</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>SParnham 47</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>BStower 48</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>PaulPayne 49</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>CQuilty 50</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>The big gaps - All "in market"</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>SFawke 113 79</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>WD'Avila 103 75</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>MJWalker 103 76</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>JOliver 117 91</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>BMertens 88 63</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>JTaylor 69 100</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>NPunch 60 95</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>JeffKehoe 31 72</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>SLisnyy 61 102</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>CHall 66 107</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>VBolozhinsky 70 112</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Racing <<a href="mailto:racing-bounces@ausrace.com" target="_blank">racing-bounces@ausrace.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Roman<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 21 January 2019 9:34 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' <<a href="mailto:racing@ausrace.com" target="_blank">racing@ausrace.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:tonymoffat@bigpond.com" target="_blank">tonymoffat@bigpond.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusRace] Jockeys generally</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Hi all,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>The fascination of it all is that two raters could have the same jockey literally poles apart depending on criterias chosen.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>I have never rated jockeys nor trainers as I wonder if there is all that much between a number of them at the top level. If the SP figures is a solid determinant of the overall structure of horse racing does it not figure those jockeys that ride well on well fancied horses are giving the horses the chance of winning the market determines. Say Jockey A has 100 rides in races in town on favs and scores 35% of the time is he not a fraction better than Jockey B who rides 32%. So the next time the two jockeys meet on say favs at 2/1 and 9/4 (close) but the 32% jockey rides an on pacer and the 35% jockey rides a chronic get back type where does the ratings look now. It would be best to rate them all on their ability with leaders, on pacers, mid fielders and get back types and another set of figures comes up far more accurate, imho, than just a raw wins and wins and placings.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>I look forward to Len’s reply.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Roman Koz</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> Racing [</span><span lang=EN-US><a href="mailto:racing-bounces@ausrace.com" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>mailto:racing-bounces@ausrace.com</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>L.B.Loveday<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 21, 2019 6:12 PM<br><b>To:</b> </span><span lang=EN-US><a href="mailto:tonymoffat@bigpond.com" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>tonymoffat@bigpond.com</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>; </span><span lang=EN-US><a href="mailto:racing@ausrace.com" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>racing@ausrace.com</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'><br><b>Subject:</b> [AusRace] Jockeys generally</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Tony,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Did not get to me and I just saw it in the archives - a very different rating method to mine; I'll evaluate and comment anon.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>LBL</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>790*150-93-96 is the revealed racing stat for Linda Meech tomorrow - to</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>expand this Ms Leech has had 790 rides for 150 wins in the time frame</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>covered by this stat. My IV for that is 1.4, essentially she is 40% advanced</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>on some others in this race.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>No rider gets less than 1, although the calculation is often less than</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>that, John Keating has .6 (scores a one in the scheme). Why? - he is on a</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>horse in the race and Bradbury's have happened, although I use the 1 for</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>statistical pureness, and to get rid of some decimals. To be factual, off a</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>calculation, Keating is somewhere like 80% more unlikely of producing a good</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>ride than Meech - he has 395*17-25-33 and is .6 against Meech at 1.4 (1.4 -</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>.6 is the basis of the claim for 80%).</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Jason Maskiell is also on 1.4 in this race, off 347*54-46-41. The factor is</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>0.300552251 (the average of all jockeys riding) and my fall back value is</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>.31 - if a jockey can't be rated (the data is missing e.g.) then I assign</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>that value to it early in the calculation.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Roger Biggs wrote that he used .2595, which may be the statistical base of</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>all jockey placings across many rides. This has changed somewhat, there is a</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>jockey db. on RB Ratings. I am unaware of another method to rate and rank</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>jockeys against all their rides. They can only ride one horse in a race so</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>that the iv concocted from a large number of rides seems to be correct, and</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>I total all the rides for all jockeys in the race then divide that into all</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>the places achieved by all the jockeys, and from that sub-total I</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>individually determine an iv. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>There is a place system for ranking jockeys when on favorites, but that is</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>not the jockey at all. Another time perhaps. Who likes, or wants, dividends</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>in the sub $2 range, most of us really. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>This upcoming race has riders which have achieved 4708 rides totally under</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>the period of review, and of those rides those riders scored, placed, in</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>1415. So, 1415/4708 = .300552251 is the factor to be used. Individually</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Keating has 395*17-25-33 (17+25+33/395 = .1898734) and this product is again</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>divided by the total score .3005522512 to give the score of .6. These</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>numbers seem minimal, mickey mouse almost, but are a significant part of the</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>overall stat picture</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Trainers may have two or more runners in the race. I score them the same as</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>jockeys, total rides into total places (123) and develop a iv score from</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>that.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Involving riders and trainers, getting a score from them combined, I</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>multiply their ivs and work with the product, ranking that.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Meech 1.4, trainer 1.3 (1.4 * 1.3 = 1.82)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Keating 1, trainer 1 (1 * 1 =1) actually .6 * .1. The trainer is yet to win</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>a race</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Maskiell 1.4, trainer 1 (1.4 * 1 = 1.4.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Dylan Dunn = 1.1</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>There is some upside to Linda Meech ability, trainer ability.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>This is R2 Kyneton tomorrow, a maiden and I'm not betting</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>in it, nor do I suggest you do.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div id="gmail-m_-5499514321693640788gmail-m_3009451768723601996m_-7103500080281499443DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=1 cellspacing=3 cellpadding=0 style='border:none;border-top:solid #D3D4DE 1.0pt'><tr><td width=55 style='width:41.25pt;border:none;padding:9.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><a href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;text-decoration:none'><o:p></o:p></span></a></span></p></td><td width=470 style='width:352.5pt;border:none;padding:9.0pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:13.5pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#41424E'><a href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient" target="_blank"><span style='color:#41424E;text-decoration:none'>Virus-free. <u><span style='color:#4453EA'>www.avg.com</span></u> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;text-decoration:none'><o:p></o:p></span></a></span></p></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><a href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient" target="_blank"><span style='text-decoration:none'> </span><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;text-decoration:none'><o:p></o:p></span></a></span></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient" target="_blank"><span style='text-decoration:none'>_______________________________________________<br>Racing mailing list<br><u><span style='color:blue'>Racing@ausrace.com</span></u><br><u><span style='color:blue'>http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com</span></u><o:p></o:p></span></a></p></blockquote></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient" target="_blank"><span style='text-decoration:none'>_______________________________________________<br>Racing mailing list<br><u><span style='color:blue'>Racing@ausrace.com</span></u><br><u><span style='color:blue'>http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com</span></u><o:p></o:p></span></a></p></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></div></body></html>