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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#365F91">Len,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#365F91">I respectfully disagree, what’s new
</span><span style="font-family:Wingdings;color:#365F91">J</span><span style="color:#365F91"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#365F91">That definition of Senile is the very ancient definition and does not encompass what it means today.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#365F91">I know 50 year olds and younger who are senile.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#365F91"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">“Everyone's mental acumen decreases along with their physical ability as they age, and Jory's certainly has.”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#365F91"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#365F91">My mother is nearly 92 and sharper than she ever was, her mental acumen is in fact better than when she was younger, because she is also a lot wiser.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#365F91">Yes, her physical ability has declined, but she needs no aids to help her walk etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">“Chris Munce donated a crop to my old football club, and the boys belted each other with it; of course it stung, like a slap from a missus stings, but it did not break skin or result in a bruise, and I warrant
the boys were stronger even than Justin Sheehan and Mick Dittman. Horses of course have far thicker hides than the boys.”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#376092;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#376092;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">Breaking skin or resulting in a bruise is not the issue with hitting horses, it’s the sting to try and make them go faster when they’ve
tried their hearts out already.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#376092;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#376092;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">Horses run from pain despite further injury to themselves internally.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#376092;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#376092;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">They are more sensitive to pain and they have a very high flight response, much higher than any human.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#376092;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#376092;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">Horses do not in most areas have thicker hides, people think they do because of their coats (even when trimmed).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#376092;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#376092;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">As I said before, a horse can feel a fly on it’s rear, and the flank of a horse which generally gets hit is very sensitive.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#376092;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#376092;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#376092;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#376092;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">I am in no way an expert, but I’m a 5<sup>th</sup> generation horseman, have studied horses, watched them for hours, trained them, broken
them in, saved many ex racehorses from slaughter, from firsthand experience, I do know that a horse feels the smallest of touches to it’s “hide”. I can just barely touch a horse I’ve trained on the flank and it will move to the opposite direction crossing
it’s hind legs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#376092;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#376092;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">Lindsay<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#365F91"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#365F91"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-AU">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-AU"> Racing
[mailto:racing-bounces@ausrace.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>L.B.Loveday<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 25 November 2018 2:46 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'AusRace Racing Discussion List'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [AusRace] They never let up re crops, do they?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Just saw this looking through the Archives. I have no idea what Jory's been diagnosed as other than I know he's undergone prostatectomy. How you have formed the opinion "<i>Didn't think so</i>" is beyond my comprehension
maybe you know him personally.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">From Merriam-Webster, my on-line English reference of choice:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="dttext">Senile: of, relating to, exhibiting, or characteristic of old age<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">My grandfather's death certificate (died at 94) showed "Cause of Death: Senility" which upset my mother until I explained to her the sense in which it was used. Everyone's mental acumen decreases along with their
physical ability as they age, and Jory's certainly has.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I have had private communication debates with Jory, and some of what he has written to me is at best rationally indisputably rubbish, and demonstrated an inability to think outside what he what written. An example
- he screamed blue murder that a 83yo was on a waiting list for a hip replacement and that he should be given priority because of his age. He accepted that there was a waiting list of mostly, almost all even, younger people but would in no way accept that
they should not be moved back, that if the oldest were operated on first, the young would have to wait for years more, possibly dying before their turn came, as those older would always be prioritised, that there was an economic case for the opposite - repair
the youngest first so they can work productively and pay taxes which help to support the elderly - or a fairness case that the old bloke had had 80+ years of good life, would it not be fair to repair the young first so they could hopefully have the same…
I was not advocating anything other than saying it was wrong for an 83yo to jump the queue simply because of age, but all Jory could do was write "But he's 83"…..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Chris Munce donated a crop to my old football club, and the boys belted each other with it; of course it stung, like a slap from a missus stings, but it did not break skin or result in a bruise, and I warrant the
boys were stronger even than Justin Sheehan and Mick Dittman. Horses of course have far thicker hides than the boys.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<pre>Len,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Has he been medically diagnosed as senile?<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Didn't think so.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>He never stated that Gai et al are physically and psychologically cruel to their horses, he said that whipping a horse to try and improve its performance by running longer or faster has no place in racing and would be considered cruel if done outside of an actual race.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>I totally agree.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>When riding horses, I carry a whip purely for safety purposes and so should jockeys.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>A horse can feel a fly on it's rear, so to even suggest that a horse doesn't feel pain from a whip, makes no sense at all.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Smart horses dump the jockey after the line, some not so smart, tear suspensory ligaments, have heart attacks, bleed, and quite a few die post-race.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>If it's not cruel to the horse, why do many stand flat footed at the gates (forgetting Chautauqua).<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Why have the rules been tightened on the type of whip, the number of strikes, where the horse can be struck, and harness racing considering a complete ban.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Working with ex racehorses, I see firsthand both the physical and mental damage the use of a whip other than for jockey safety can cause.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Mostly the damage is irreparable.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Lindsay<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>From: Racing [mailto:<a href="http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com">racing-bounces at ausrace.com</a>] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Sent: Sunday, 26 August 2018 5:16 PM<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List'<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Subject: [AusRace] They never let up re crops, do they?<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Rex Jory is well into his 70's and somewhat senile. Does the idiot think Gai et alia are "physically and psychologically cruel" to their horses?<o:p></o:p></pre>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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