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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Why would you bother trying to do time
      for a jumps race?<br>
      Would it not be an exercise in futility?<br>
      Times are just one factor of zilions, and doubt they would be of
      much use in a jumps race.<br>
      <br>
      In brief....if your standard was perhaps 67.5 for 1200 at
      Somewheresville<br>
      and your expected class was maybe 99% of your standard<br>
      so your class figure in that case is going to be 90.<br>
      If they were to run the race in 68.5 then the raw speed will be 
      ~85.4 rather than the expected 90<br>
      90-85.4 would have the track running 4.6 slow.<br>
      <br>
      When you originally figured all the times and classes you would
      have normalised then so that zero is neutral(neither fast or slow
      track).<br>
      Of course that difference does not necessarily mean the track was
      that slow....it could have been won by a horse better/worse than
      average for that class, or the pace could have had some effect,
      or, or or.<br>
      But you would have code to try and account for that stuff, and a
      meeting is not just one race, so you might have 8 races, and  did
      the above for all of them and the adjustments for various
      extraneous things.<br>
      You could find the deviations between expected and actual for the
      meeting and the smaller the deviation, then likely the more
      accurate.<br>
      <br>
      Anyway, just assuming for this meet the track was measured as slow
      by 4.6<br>
      Another day it may be fast by some amount(-ve) and then another,
      might tell you it was slow by 30, 40, 50, whatever.<br>
      Overall I am confident you get a better picture of the going than
      the official.<br>
      Against that though, it's only AFTER the races that you know all
      this, although you do it as the meet progresses to give you an
      idea.<br>
      <br>
      But at the end of the day, it's just one thing, although those
      that do the statistical models and have numbers that are done as
      well as possible, usually have the time stuff as the most
      predictive of all form factors.<br>
      I can't vouch for that, as I don't do the modelling, but that's
      what they tell me.<br>
      SteveB<br>
      <br>
      On 20/06/2018 12:27 PM, Race Stats wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365F91">Hi
            Steve,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365F91">I
            know you’re the time guru, but your post has me scratching
            my head.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365F91">How
            will your standards tell you the going, when it might be a
            number of Group 1 and Maiden races?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365F91">Or
            in Melbourne most Group 1 races are run in Spring when the
            tracks are better going, and Open races are run all year
            round.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365F91">Then
            there’s 3200m hurdles and steeples etc, obviously the time
            is going to be quite different to all flat races over 3200m,
            so the hurdles and steeples will seem Heavy 10 and the flat
            races will seem Firm 2…..just putting it out there, as
            that’s just an example of how deriving track condition from
            time is error prone.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365F91">Lindsay.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365F91"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365F91"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
                  lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
                lang="EN-US"> Racing [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:racing-bounces@ausrace.com">mailto:racing-bounces@ausrace.com</a>]
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Steve<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 20 June 2018 9:20 AM<br>
                <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:racing@ausrace.com">racing@ausrace.com</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusRace] Racing Digest, Vol 18,
                Issue 3<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">No you don't need a time for each going.<br>
            If you dissected the times that Tony put up as an example,
            you would see that they are all over the place relatively.<br>
            Most people that do it that way get, the same
            inconsistencies,<br>
            And remember that word....relatively.....as it's the most
            important thing to consider when doing time<br>
            One time for each distance at each track is all you need.<br>
            That way your standards will tell you the going, probably
            more accurately than the official which is after all just an
            opinion of whoever is doing whichever track.<br>
            <br>
            Good luck though as there is so many inaccurate times, wrong
            distances, and three zillion ways of giving the section
            times.<br>
            <br>
            SteveB<br>
            <br>
            On 19/06/2018 11:41 PM, Race Stats wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365F91">Hi
              Nick,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365F91">Regarding
              Len’s suggestions regarding par times, I thought I’d give
              you a little bit of extra information.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365F91">Par
              times by themselves are pretty nebulous as Len suggests.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365F91">If
              you’re familiar with Excel, here is my recommendation.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365F91">Often
              you will find that track record times are often on many
              races one day at a venue, so obviously the track is faster
              than the rating.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365F91">Forget
              Class records, they mean very little overall.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365F91">Take
              the race times and dissect them into overall time, final
              sectional time and then race time minus sectional time,
              this will give you the pace time.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365F91">You
              MUST have a par time for every going condition not just
              Soft, you need Soft5, Soft6, Soft7.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365F91">Look
              at the top horses that won with fast race time, then fast
              last sectional, then pace time.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365F91">You’ll
              soon see the impact of what is useful and what is not.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365F91">You’ll
              also see where the track rating is obviously wrong when
              all or most races are above that par.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365F91">Course
              manager must lodge the track going prior to 6.50am on race
              day, they cannot change the track rating for the day after
              that period, only the Stewards or Jockeys can suggest to
              Stewards a change in track rating. Ergo, there are many
              ratings that are not correct.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365F91">Lindsay.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365F91"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
                lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
              lang="EN-US"> Racing [<a
                href="mailto:racing-bounces@ausrace.com"
                moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:racing-bounces@ausrace.com</a>]
              <b>On Behalf Of </b><a
                href="mailto:norsaintpublishing@gmail.com"
                moz-do-not-send="true">norsaintpublishing@gmail.com</a><br>
              <b>Sent:</b> Monday, 18 June 2018 9:33 PM<br>
              <b>To:</b> AusRace Racing Discussion List<br>
              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusRace] Racing Digest, Vol 18, Issue
              3</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Ok thanks Len. Not sure if I'm au fait
              enough with the concept to come up with anything so
              sophisticated as an algorithm. If I do, you'll be my first
              port of call. <o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">Did fiddle around with ideas by Gavin
                Haynes a few year's ago but his stats must be outdated
                by now. <o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">For some reason all the replies have
                come through aggregated which makes replying damned
                confusing. <o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 9:26 PM <a
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                <p class="MsoNormal">G'day Mike,<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">        Thanks for the
                    suggestion. I got that email too  but had forgotten
                    all about it. Must be an age thing.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                       1. Par times (<a
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                       2. Re: Par times (<a
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                       3. Re: Par times (L.B.Loveday)<br>
                       4. Re: Par times (Tony Moffat)<br>
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                    Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2018 17:34:08 +1000<br>
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                    Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2018 11:03:10 +1000<br>
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                    Norsaint<br>
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                    Neale Yardley recently made the following comment in
                    an email?.<br>
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                    ?Again my thanks go to Steven Angelides from PPFA
                    for providing the par times. Steven is back in
                    Australia from Hong Kong and is touring Australia if
                    anyone would like to catch up with him (he is happy
                    to talk about Bet Selector, PPFA, Hong Kong or
                    anything else racing related). Venues and dates are
                    listed below but please note Steven has a new mobile
                    number which is 0413164550. His email is still the
                    same viz  <mailto:<a
                      href="mailto:stavros@wn.com.au" target="_blank"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">stavros@wn.com.au</a>>
                    <a href="mailto:stavros@wn.com.au" target="_blank"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">stavros@wn.com.au</a>?<br>
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                    Might be worth your while asking Steven?<br>
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                    Mike.<br>
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                    Message: 3<br>
                    Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2018 11:49:07 +1000<br>
                    From: "L.B.Loveday" <<a
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                    Nick,<br>
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                    "Par times" is, to me, a nebulous term - they can be
                    calculated in various ways, times are affected by
                    track condition (not only on the day, but by
                    permanent upgrades such as at Gawler), rail
                    positioning, wind direction, riding tactics, in-race
                    mishaps such as a fall, the class of horses, whether
                    there are zero, one, two? "natural" leaders and
                    whether they vie for the lead, weight conditions??<br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    So I never consider them, but I do have a database
                    of every Australian race for the past 20+ years, 
                    including:<br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    Date,<br>
                    <br>
                    Course,<br>
                    <br>
                    Distance,<br>
                    <br>
                    Class,<br>
                    <br>
                    Limit Weight,<br>
                    <br>
                    Weight carried by placegetters,<br>
                    <br>
                    Condition,<br>
                    <br>
                    No of starters,<br>
                    <br>
                    Prizemoney,<br>
                    <br>
                    and of course Time<br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    You determine an algorithm for calculating par times
                    and I'll write a program and send you the results;
                    otherwise you are just relying on someone else's
                    methodology, almost certainly without knowing the
                    basis of his determinations.<br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    LBL<br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
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                    Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2018 18:58:56 +0800<br>
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                    Saintly ? I don?t know if the other mail made it
                    through ? it was big<br>
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                    Is this the type of info you need?<br>
                    <br>
                    Who does this?<br>
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                    Cheers<br>
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                    Tony<br>
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                    Ball a rat<br>
                    <br>
                    900 (firm) 51.8<br>
                    <br>
                    900 (good) 52.5<br>
                    <br>
                    900 (soft) 53.4<br>
                    <br>
                    900 (heavy) 54.6<br>
                    <br>
                    1000 (firm) 56.5<br>
                    <br>
                    1000 (good) 57.9<br>
                    <br>
                    1000 (soft) 59.1<br>
                    <br>
                    1000 (heavy) 1.0.7<br>
                    <br>
                    1100 (firm) 1.2.4<br>
                    <br>
                    1100 (good) 1.3.9<br>
                    <br>
                    1100 (soft) 1.5.7<br>
                    <br>
                    1100 (heavy) 1.7.3<br>
                    <br>
                    1200 (firm) 1.9.1<br>
                    <br>
                    1200 (good) 1.10.3<br>
                    <br>
                    1200 (soft) 1.12.0<br>
                    <br>
                    1200 (heavy) 1.13.1<br>
                    <br>
                    1400 (firm) 1.23.2<br>
                    <br>
                    1400 (good) 1.24.5<br>
                    <br>
                    1400 (soft) 1.26.3<br>
                    <br>
                    1400 (heavy) 1.28.2<br>
                    <br>
                    1500 (firm) 1.31.3<br>
                    <br>
                    1500 (good) 1.32.6<br>
                    <br>
                    1500 (soft) 1.34.3<br>
                    <br>
                    1500 (heavy) 1.36.5<br>
                    <br>
                    1600 (firm) 1.37.1<br>
                    <br>
                    1600 (good) 1.37.8<br>
                    <br>
                    1600 (soft) 1.40.0<br>
                    <br>
                    1600 (heavy) 1.42.5<br>
                    <br>
                    2000 (firm) 2.3.8<br>
                    <br>
                    2000 (good) 2.6.1<br>
                    <br>
                    2000 (soft) 2.7.7<br>
                    <br>
                    2000 (heavy) 2.10.9<br>
                    <br>
                    2200 (firm) 2.14.8<br>
                    <br>
                    2200 (good) 2.17.7<br>
                    <br>
                    2200 (soft) 2.20.6<br>
                    <br>
                    2200 (heavy) 2.22.4<br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
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