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Ditto Nick<br>
If you understand time stuff, then....<br>
Your class figure should be some estimation of central <br>
tendency(average/median/whatever) of the speeds.<br>
The speed should be the individual.<br>
They are both the same thing...one the overall, one the average(or <br>
whatever) and that gives you your measuring stick(expectation)<br>
Thus your class figure should also just be a percentage of your standard <br>
time.<br>
For instance G1 at Flemington might be the equivalent of your standard.<br>
A low standard benchmark race might be only 98% of your standard.<br>
Thus the G1 will be 100<br>
The low one will be 80....or 20 metres per 1000 slower on average<br>
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> Interesting Lindsay. What about par times for individual classes? And <br>
> then somehow relating that to open par times? Does that make sense.<br>
> Got to reply to all on one post, such is the manner it comes through.<br>
> Mike, your 81 year old brain is obviously in better shape than my 60 <br>
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> Hi Nick,<br>
> Regarding Len?s suggestions regarding par times, I thought I?d<br>
> give you a little bit of extra information.<br>
> Par times by themselves are pretty nebulous as Len suggests.<br>
> If you?re familiar with Excel, here is my recommendation.<br>
> Often you will find that track record times are often on many<br>
> races one day at a venue, so obviously the track is faster than<br>
> the rating.<br>
> Forget Class records, they mean very little overall.<br>
> Take the race times and dissect them into overall time, final<br>
> sectional time and then race time minus sectional time, this will<br>
> give you the pace time.<br>
> You MUST have a par time for every going condition not just Soft,<br>
> you need Soft5, Soft6, Soft7.<br>
> Look at the top horses that won with fast race time, then fast<br>
> last sectional, then pace time.<br>
> You?ll soon see the impact of what is useful and what is not.<br>
> You?ll also see where the track rating is obviously wrong when all<br>
> or most races are above that par.<br>
> Course manager must lodge the track going prior to 6.50am on race<br>
> day, they cannot change the track rating for the day after that<br>
> period, only the Stewards or Jockeys can suggest to Stewards a<br>
> change in track rating. Ergo, there are many ratings that are not<br>
> correct.<br>
> Lindsay.<br>
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> Did fiddle around with ideas by Gavin Haynes a few year's ago but<br>
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> Neale Yardley recently made the following comment in an email?.<br>
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> ?Again my thanks go to Steven Angelides from PPFA for providing<br>
> the par times. Steven is back in Australia from Hong Kong and is<br>
> touring Australia if anyone would like to catch up with him (he is<br>
> happy to talk about Bet Selector, PPFA, Hong Kong or anything else<br>
> racing related). Venues and dates are listed below but please note<br>
> Steven has a new mobile number which is 0413164550. His email is<br>
> still the same viz <mailto:<a href="mailto:stavros@wn.com.au" target="_blank">stavros@wn.com.au</a><br>
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> Might be worth your while asking Steven?<br>
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> Mike.<br>
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> Nick,<br>
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> "Par times" is, to me, a nebulous term - they can be calculated in<br>
> various ways, times are affected by track condition (not only on<br>
> the day, but by permanent upgrades such as at Gawler), rail<br>
> positioning, wind direction, riding tactics, in-race mishaps such<br>
> as a fall, the class of horses, whether there are zero, one, two?<br>
> "natural" leaders and whether they vie for the lead, weight<br>
> conditions??<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> So I never consider them, but I do have a database of every<br>
> Australian race for the past 20+ years,? including:<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Date,<br>
><br>
> Course,<br>
><br>
> Distance,<br>
><br>
> Class,<br>
><br>
> Limit Weight,<br>
><br>
> Weight carried by placegetters,<br>
><br>
> Condition,<br>
><br>
> No of starters,<br>
><br>
> Prizemoney,<br>
><br>
> and of course Time<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> You determine an algorithm for calculating par times and I'll<br>
> write a program and send you the results; otherwise you are just<br>
> relying on someone else's methodology, almost certainly without<br>
> knowing the basis of his determinations.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> LBL<br>
><br>
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> Saintly ? I don?t know if the other mail made it through ? it was big<br>
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> Is this the type of info you need?<br>
><br>
> Who does this?<br>
><br>
> Cheers<br>
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> Tony<br>
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> 1200 (good) 1.10.3<br>
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> 1400 (good) 1.24.5<br>
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> 1400 (soft) 1.26.3<br>
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> 1400 (heavy) 1.28.2<br>
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> 1500 (good) 1.32.6<br>
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> 1600 (good) 1.37.8<br>
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> 1600 (heavy) 1.42.5<br>
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> 2000 (good) 2.6.1<br>
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> 2000 (soft) 2.7.7<br>
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> 2000 (heavy) 2.10.9<br>
><br>
> 2200 (firm) 2.14.8<br>
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> 2200 (good) 2.17.7<br>
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> 2200 (soft) 2.20.6<br>
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> 2200 (heavy) 2.22.4<br>
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