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From: "<a href="mailto:norsaintpublishing@gmail.com" target="_blank">norsaintpublishing@gmail.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:norsaintpublishing@gmail.com" target="_blank">norsaintpublishing@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Neale Yardley recently made the following comment in an email?.<br>
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?Again my thanks go to Steven Angelides from PPFA for providing the par times. Steven is back in Australia from Hong Kong and is touring Australia if anyone would like to catch up with him (he is happy to talk about Bet Selector, PPFA, Hong Kong or anything else racing related). Venues and dates are listed below but please note Steven has a new mobile number which is 0413164550. His email is still the same viz <mailto:<a href="mailto:stavros@wn.com.au" target="_blank">stavros@wn.com.au</a>> <a href="mailto:stavros@wn.com.au" target="_blank">stavros@wn.com.au</a>?<br>
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Might be worth your while asking Steven?<br>
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Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2018 11:49:07 +1000<br>
From: "L.B.Loveday" <<a href="mailto:lloveday@ozemail.com.au" target="_blank">lloveday@ozemail.com.au</a>><br>
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"Par times" is, to me, a nebulous term - they can be calculated in various ways, times are affected by track condition (not only on the day, but by permanent upgrades such as at Gawler), rail positioning, wind direction, riding tactics, in-race mishaps such as a fall, the class of horses, whether there are zero, one, two? "natural" leaders and whether they vie for the lead, weight conditions??<br>
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So I never consider them, but I do have a database of every Australian race for the past 20+ years, including:<br>
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Date,<br>
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Course,<br>
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Distance,<br>
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Class,<br>
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Limit Weight,<br>
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Weight carried by placegetters,<br>
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Condition,<br>
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No of starters,<br>
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Prizemoney,<br>
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and of course Time<br>
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You determine an algorithm for calculating par times and I'll write a program and send you the results; otherwise you are just relying on someone else's methodology, almost certainly without knowing the basis of his determinations.<br>
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Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2018 18:58:56 +0800<br>
From: "Tony Moffat" <<a href="mailto:tonymoffat@bigpond.com" target="_blank">tonymoffat@bigpond.com</a>><br>
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Saintly ? I don?t know if the other mail made it through ? it was big<br>
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Is this the type of info you need?<br>
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Who does this?<br>
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Cheers<br>
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Ball a rat<br>
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900 (soft) 53.4<br>
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1000 (soft) 59.1<br>
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1000 (heavy) 1.0.7<br>
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1100 (firm) 1.2.4<br>
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1100 (good) 1.3.9<br>
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1100 (soft) 1.5.7<br>
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1100 (heavy) 1.7.3<br>
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1200 (firm) 1.9.1<br>
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1200 (good) 1.10.3<br>
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1200 (soft) 1.12.0<br>
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1200 (heavy) 1.13.1<br>
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1400 (firm) 1.23.2<br>
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1400 (good) 1.24.5<br>
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1400 (soft) 1.26.3<br>
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1400 (heavy) 1.28.2<br>
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1500 (firm) 1.31.3<br>
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1500 (good) 1.32.6<br>
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1500 (soft) 1.34.3<br>
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1500 (heavy) 1.36.5<br>
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1600 (firm) 1.37.1<br>
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1600 (good) 1.37.8<br>
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1600 (soft) 1.40.0<br>
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2000 (firm) 2.3.8<br>
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2000 (good) 2.6.1<br>
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