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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Boy, did I f that up - I mixed up my Time Zones, and bet 2 minutes before the AEST deadline! Apologies to BetZero!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Racing [mailto:racing-bounces@ausrace.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>L.B.Loveday<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 5 January 2018 1:41 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'AusRace Racing Discussion List'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusRace] "We'll Bet You"<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Today BetZero and Sportsbet contravened the Qld MBL which came into effect on 1Jan, by refusing bets on Sunshine Coast.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sportsbet claimed "a glitch"; sure, the "glitch" is, just as they did with Tasmania, they don't adjust your settings unless you complain - I did, they adjusted.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I'm yet to get a reply from BetZero, so tomorrow will fill out the Qld Racing complaint form.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Here's my letter to BetZero:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>At 9:58am you refused the following bet:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><img width=440 height=380 id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.jpg@01D3862B.6D3DF8D0" alt="cid:image002.jpg@01D3860D.433D3D20"><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Bet Max was $0.00, viz you refused to take the bet for any amount.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The race was scheduled for 16:05 AEST, and the first race of the meeting for 15:27 AEST.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>MBL has been in place since 1/1/2018, and the relevant section is:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#363636'>Minimum Bet Limits apply:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:0cm;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#363636'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#363636'>to Queensland Thoroughbred races only;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:0cm;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#363636'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#363636'>to fixed odds bets (i.e. win, place and each way bets);<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:0cm;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#363636;background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#363636;background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow'>from 9am (AEST) on the day of the Thoroughbred race, for a race meeting commencing prior to 5:30pm; and<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:0cm;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#363636'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#363636'>from 2pm (AEST) on the day of the Thoroughbred race, for a race meeting commencing after 5:30pm.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:6.0pt'><span lang=EN style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#363636'>It is disappointing, but not surprising, that you fail to meet your legal obligations, again. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><pre>They're all pretty pathetic Len with a few exceptions.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>You're probably getting limited because you're on the list of winning punters they share.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>I know you hate laying, but to continue without just about everybody closing you down completely (or effectively) eventually, you have to lay off any winnings on the exchange at BFSP. You have to look on paper like a mug not a winner. Then you'll get offers galore and they'll take you on for mostly the full amount. It's really the only way around it, especially with Luxbet closed down and no access to UK based bookies.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>What makes me laugh is Racing.com where, they quote thousands of dollars being invested by in their own words "some very savvy punters".<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>You think those very savvy punters were able to get on for those amounts, it's all smoke and mirrors!<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Lindsay.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>From: Racing [mailto:<a href="http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com">racing-bounces at ausrace.com</a>] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Sent: Monday, 1 January 2018 8:53 AM<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List'<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Subject: Re: [AusRace] "We'll Bet You"<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Looks like the new kid on the Dynamic Odds block is issuing a challenge to them -<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>I opened an account for $1,000 with SportsBetting a few days ago, have had 4 $100 or less bets, and today asked for $100 @ 3.50 place Inv 7/11. Accepted $36.72. Pathetic enough, but immediately turned down to 2.70 (Win price untouched, so it's not like they had a flood of bets, most likely just my bet to lose $91.80).<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>I think you should write "bookmaker", to distinguish these feeble critters from on-course bookmakers, the weakest of whom has x times the guts and y times the ability that they do.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>LBL<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>From: Racing [mailto:<a href="http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com">racing-bounces at ausrace.com</a>] On Behalf Of Race Stats<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Sent: Sunday, 31 December 2017 12:02 AM<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>To: AusRace Racing Discussion List<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Subject: Re: [AusRace] "We'll Bet You"<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>CentreBet and ClassicBet are the worst Len.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>You'd think they'd want to even their books a little because most of the action takes place on the favourite or firmers in the market.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>But that's never the case, their little servers and databases refer your bet to a bookmaker who rejects simply on liability, probably because you're a winning punter, but not necessarily so.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Lindsay.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>From: Racing [mailto:<a href="http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com">racing-bounces at ausrace.com</a>] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Sent: Saturday, 30 December 2017 12:38 PM<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List'<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Subject: [AusRace] "We'll Bet You"<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Yes, sure you will CentreBet.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>I asked for $100 Randwick 1/5 @ 126.00, knocked back to $16, which is their right.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>CentreBet treated me with well-deserved distain and lengthened it to 151.00, obviously wanting to hold more money than my $16, so I asked for $100 at 151.00. Rejected in full, which is again their right, but why drift it if they won't take even 50c at that price?<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>"Pathetic" does not do them justice.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>LBL<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>-------------- next part --------------<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>URL: <<a href="http://ausrace.com/pipermail/racing_ausrace.com/attachments/20180101/4ad20d67/attachment.html">http://ausrace.com/pipermail/racing_ausrace.com/attachments/20180101/4ad20d67/attachment.html</a>><o:p></o:p></pre><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=3 width="100%" align=center></div><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><ul type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo5'>Previous message (by thread): <a href="http://ausrace.com/pipermail/racing_ausrace.com/2018-January/000240.html">[AusRace] "We'll Bet You" </a><o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo5'><b>Messages sorted by:</b> <a href="http://ausrace.com/pipermail/racing_ausrace.com/2018-January/date.html#241">[ date ]</a> <a href="http://ausrace.com/pipermail/racing_ausrace.com/2018-January/thread.html#241">[ thread ]</a> <a href="http://ausrace.com/pipermail/racing_ausrace.com/2018-January/subject.html#241">[ subject ]</a> <a href="http://ausrace.com/pipermail/racing_ausrace.com/2018-January/author.html#241">[ author ]</a> <o:p></o:p></li></ul></span><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></body></html>