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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">That makes sense Steve,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">And from what I’ve found there are so many errors, no matter what site you look at, it becomes a task in vain.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Sites like rwwa cris and HKJC in particular at least give some useful information.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Lindsay<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> Racing [mailto:racing-bounces@ausrace.com]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Steve<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 7 May 2017 1:08 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> AusRace Racing Discussion List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusRace] Lengths per second score<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Lindsay, <br>
My opinion is the physical length of the horse is irrelevant when trying to do this<br>
The margins these days are a function of time as you know, so that knowing the actual length of a horse is irrelevant in my opinion.<br>
WA will use .16 seconds per lengths(6.25LPS) regardless of going, distance, speed,......................<br>
SA(from long ago) will use who knows what, but I figured (from memory) it was anywhere between .15 and .17 seconds per length and no pattern could I find, to determine why they used which.<br>
Did not know racing.com gave times, but just checked r8 yesterday and it appeared to be circa 5.7LPS(.175SPL).<br>
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Thus length margins are a pain in the arse, because they mean different things depending on where.<br>
I spent weeks, years back studying this, looking for a pattern, so that I could transpose lengths back to times everywhere, but it was not to be<br>
All because those geniuses at the data repository, had empty fields for the individual times(yes they had a field but it was unpopulated, or so I was told by the guy responsible!!)<br>
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Roughly....the shorter the distance then the more metres to a length.<br>
>From WA data only where it is .16spl<br>
1000M a length is about 2.64 metres when related to times<br>
2400 its about 2.44m<br>
the bigger the margin, then the smaller the length per metre value, except for the small margins <.5 where the errors are necessarily larger.<br>
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And all because they won't give accurate times, from which they derive the inaccurate margins.<br>
They seem to think inaccurate margins is all the long suffering punters deserve!<br>
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SteveB<br>
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On 07/05/2017 12:19 PM, Race Stats wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre>Hi Tony,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>There are sites which list the times for all horses in a race, racing.com, rwwa etc.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>So you can actually work out if a horse is beaten a length, the time per length including sectionals.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>I know you accept that 2.75 metres is the average and industry standard, but the error margin is great when you break it down into age and size.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>We're looking at seconds, so it's critical that the horse's length is accurate.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>In other words you could use your calculations to get raw figures and then compare them with the times at those sites to see the accuracy.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Maybe you've already done that though ;)<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Not criticising your methods, just trying to open the discussion up a bit.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Lindsay.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>From: Racing [<a href="mailto:racing-bounces@ausrace.com">mailto:racing-bounces@ausrace.com</a>] On Behalf Of Tony Moffat<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Sent: Friday, 5 May 2017 5:01 PM<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>To: <a href="mailto:racing@ausrace.com">racing@ausrace.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Subject: Re: [AusRace] Lengths per second score<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>From: Tony Moffat [<a href="mailto:tonymoffat@bigpond.com">mailto:tonymoffat@bigpond.com</a>]<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 10:01 AM<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>To: Racing <a href="mailto:racing-bounces@ausrace.com"><racing-bounces@ausrace.com></a>; Racing <a href="mailto:racing-bounces@ausrace.com"><racing-bounces@ausrace.com></a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Subject: Lengths per second score <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>There has been some queries off the list regarding this.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>It was first mentioned in Sydney Cup re-run post.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
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