From lloveday at ozemail.com.au Mon Feb 22 11:15:36 2021
From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 11:15:36 +1100
Subject: [AusRace] =?iso-8859-1?q?The_=28attempted=29_coup_that_nearly_co?=
=?iso-8859-1?q?st_the_bookies_=A310_million?=
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" the levy paid by bookies to sustain the sport, since that is calculated on
their profits and not, as it should be, on their turnover".
And magazine/newspaper publishers should pay tax on their revenue, not
profits?
The coup that nearly cost the bookies ?10 million
Robin Oakley
Coup-master supreme: Irish professional gambler Barney Curley, the brains
behind the Yellow Sam betting coup [Daily Express/Hulton Archive/Getty
Images]
Robin Oakley
20 February 2021
9:00 AM
*
*
*
*
Since coup conspirators nearly won ?10 million from the bookies, the sport
has divided into two camps. Some grinned and wished good luck to the
schemers in their efforts to worst the Old Enemy; others insisted with sober
faces that it was a scandal which besmirched racing and diddled honest
punters who weren?t in the know.
With most racing eyes firmly fixed on the Dublin Racing Festival on 7
February, bookmakers became aware overnight of potentially huge liabilities
on three horses in obscure races, each saddled by a different trainer, who
had been linked together at long prices in multiple trebles and doubles.
Their panic grew as first Fire Away, trained by Laura Morgan, won the 1.25
Class 4 novice chase at Musselburgh by 19 lengths. Backed originally at
25-1, Fire Away started at even money (1-1). Then, in Southwell?s 2.35,
Blowing Dixie, trained by Iain Jardine, won a Class 6 Handicap over 1m 4f.
Eighth of nine in his previous appearance, he started odds-on at 4-6, having
opened at 9-1. All eyes were then on the third horse, Gallahers Cross,
trained by Daragh Bourke. He started at 4-5 in the final race at
Musselburgh, a Class 4 handicap hurdle, having opened at 33-1.
The bookies were admitting that the plotters had got in under their
odds-compilers? radar. To their credit, the likes of Betvictor?s Chris Poole
praised the plotters? precision planning and said they would pay up if the
third leg was landed. Fortunately for the turf accountant trade, Gallahers
Cross finished only fourth and the tear-jerking spectacle of a multitude of
bookies queuing for push bikes at Halfords having traded in their Mercs was
averted.
No mastermind has emerged. The three horses had different owners. The only
links established are that Iain Jardine and Daragh Bourke train within 30
miles of each other in the Scottish borders and that Laura Morgan had just
bought Fire Away from Bourke. Recent form of all three horses was poor ?
hence the long prices ? but Blowing Dixie had won four times at Southwell,
Gallahers Cross, once sold for ?260,000, had shown passable form for
champion trainer Nicky Henderson back in 2017?18, and he and Fire Away were
on low?handicap marks. Although questions now arise about how fully the
horses ran on their merits on their previous outings, nobody broke any laws.
It was a classic coup and no better compliment could have been paid to its
perpetrators than that people began searching for a link to former Newmarket
trainer Barney Curley.
Curley was the coup-master supreme, his most famous touch coming with Yellow
Sam in Ireland in 1975. He had a well?handicapped but improving horse,
dropped him in class and waited for ground that suited. Then, at rural
Bellewstown, they struck. With Yellow Sam at 20-1, Curley had men primed
shortly before the off to place bets at 150 betting shops across Ireland.
With no mobile phones then to ensure that bookmakers did not phone through
bets to the course to reduce the price, he had a burly associate occupy the
only telephone box on the course for half an hour before the race,
supposedly talking to a hospital where his aunt was on her deathbed. To the
surprise of his amateur jockey, Yellow Sam won and Barney collected more
than ?300,000 (more than ?1.5 million today) for the ?15,300 he laid out. It
was one of many strokes he pulled over the years and small punters were with
him all the way. When even the suspicion of a Curley coup appeared, others
piled in to follow the former would-be Jesuit priest who probably had more
bookmakers accounts closed than anyone in history.
Others have followed on a smaller scale, notably crafty old Albert Davison
who never let jockeys into his yard and who, when he had a decent betting
prospect ready, used to send his stable lads into the woods saying his cows
had escaped so that the animal?s final work could be conducted in secret. To
the authorities he was a dodgy figure bad for racing?s image; the betting
public largely admired the skill with which Davison could nurse broken-down
horses back to health and know when they were fit enough to strike.
Some pundits argue the latest attempted coup will damage the sport, saying
that it will deter the public from going racing if some people know more
about a horse?s chances than the general public. Phooey. Owners, trainers
and stable staff know more anyway than the general public. Are punters
getting a fair deal that truly reflects a horse?s chances when bookmakers
pile money on to the course deliberately to bring down a horse?s starting
price? Guessing when a horse is fully primed is part of the game; its
raffish outer ring is part of racing?s appeal. My only worry, had the
plotters won ?10 million, would have been the chunk lost out of the levy
paid by bookies to sustain the sport, since that is calculated on their
profits and not, as it should be, on their turnover.
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From lloveday at ozemail.com.au Tue Feb 23 10:24:27 2021
From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2021 10:24:27 +1100
Subject: [AusRace] PlayUp at it, again
Message-ID: <003901d70971$e35630b0$aa029210$@ozemail.com.au>
Nathan,
I know you are just the front man for the crooks, and you likely need a job, but surely you can find enough pride to at least seek work with an honest employer, bookmaker or other. Maybe you are.
I placed the following via Dynamic Odds, as you can see at 9:39 AEDT:
PlayUp rejected the bets "mbl only". AT 9:39! MBL time for Victoria is 9:00 which your bosses and their trader(s) well know. I had no previous bets with PlayUp on the horse.
They immediately turned the odds down, presumably without taking a bet. Gutless, spineless, incompetent, cheating crooks!
L.B.Loveday
From: PlayUp Support
Sent: Thursday, 17 December 2020 16:07 PM
To: lloveday at ozemail.com.au
Subject: Re: Townville 1/2, 12/12/2020
Hi Leonard,
?
Thank you for your email.
?
A correction and adjustment for the above wager has been made by our trading manager.
?
It looks to be that a technical glitch has occurred with the result for this race.
?
Kind Regards,
Nathan
On Thu, 17 Dec at 3:50 PM , L.B.Loveday > wrote:
This is the third recent time that you have not paid up; please do so immediately.
I placed the following bet:
You claim "No Result"
Result was:
L.B.Loveday
104544:994286
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From tonymoffat at bigpond.com Wed Feb 24 15:26:06 2021
From: tonymoffat at bigpond.com (Tony Moffat)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 12:26:06 +0800
Subject: [AusRace] The New England Plus - a system
Message-ID: <001a01d70a65$2c1de3d0$8459ab70$@bigpond.com>
The New England Plus - although it has other names, it depends on who is
assuming ownership for this version.
David Glenville, of Racetrack magazine systems fame, claimed it as his at
one time - he was American too, and it was named The Yankee (Doodle Dandy)!
Another was Len Scofer (Dallas Leonard Scofer as named by his parents) Len
was a by-product of Elan School - a tough love place if ever there was one
and had been sent there by NYC juvenile aid groups for behavior moderation.
NYC demanded results too, apparently, a value for money clause. Then it was
named New England Plus.
Closer to home I heard about The Yankee first from my Uncle Eddy, a woodman
from the hills around Canberra but also the Hansard printer most afternoons
and evenings. Eddy had purchased his copy from an advertisement. I have his
copy now. It was the Excelsior Plan then and referenced its origin in New
York with the statement - 'the best there ever was' for winner finding)
Rules - only senior jockey mounts are considered
(a) Consider the first five in the betting and record their names (or TAB
numbers)
(b) Consider the first 5 barrier numbers, the runners in barriers 1 to 5 and
record their names (or TAB numbers)
(c) Consider the first 5 horses ridden by senior riders - discard horses
ridden by apprentices - in a list of 8 horses, say, runner numbers 1, 3, and
4 might be discarded because they are ridden by apprentices so your rider
list would be 2,5,6,7,8
You now have three lists of 5 runners.
Look for common runners in all lists.
A runner mentioned in all three lists is a selection, a runner in two lists
is also a selection.
This, and these, are from the golden age of system selling. No information
or advice as how, why the selection rules were arrived at, just do it and
prosper. Nobody did though.
If there are selections and results here then I used
The first 5 in betting order - off AAP or Rewardbet nominations
The first 5 in barrier order
The first 5 horses ridden by senior jockeys -this may NOT be strictly 1 to 5
numerically -see (C) above.
19/02 MV
20/02 MR
24/02 SELECTS
Cheers
Tony
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From lloveday at ozemail.com.au Wed Feb 24 15:44:36 2021
From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 15:44:36 +1100
Subject: [AusRace] The New England Plus - a system
In-Reply-To: <001a01d70a65$2c1de3d0$8459ab70$@bigpond.com>
References: <001a01d70a65$2c1de3d0$8459ab70$@bigpond.com>
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19/02 MV
20/02 MR
24/02 SELECTS
Is something missing Tony?
-----Original Message-----
From: Racing On Behalf Of Tony Moffat
Sent: Wednesday, 24 February 2021 15:26 PM
To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List'
Subject: [AusRace] The New England Plus - a system
The New England Plus - although it has other names, it depends on who is
assuming ownership for this version.
David Glenville, of Racetrack magazine systems fame, claimed it as his at
one time - he was American too, and it was named The Yankee (Doodle Dandy)!
Another was Len Scofer (Dallas Leonard Scofer as named by his parents) Len
was a by-product of Elan School - a tough love place if ever there was one
and had been sent there by NYC juvenile aid groups for behavior moderation.
NYC demanded results too, apparently, a value for money clause. Then it was
named New England Plus.
Closer to home I heard about The Yankee first from my Uncle Eddy, a woodman
from the hills around Canberra but also the Hansard printer most afternoons
and evenings. Eddy had purchased his copy from an advertisement. I have his
copy now. It was the Excelsior Plan then and referenced its origin in New
York with the statement - 'the best there ever was' for winner finding)
Rules - only senior jockey mounts are considered
(a) Consider the first five in the betting and record their names (or TAB
numbers)
(b) Consider the first 5 barrier numbers, the runners in barriers 1 to 5 and
record their names (or TAB numbers)
(c) Consider the first 5 horses ridden by senior riders - discard horses
ridden by apprentices - in a list of 8 horses, say, runner numbers 1, 3, and
4 might be discarded because they are ridden by apprentices so your rider
list would be 2,5,6,7,8
You now have three lists of 5 runners.
Look for common runners in all lists.
A runner mentioned in all three lists is a selection, a runner in two lists
is also a selection.
This, and these, are from the golden age of system selling. No information
or advice as how, why the selection rules were arrived at, just do it and
prosper. Nobody did though.
If there are selections and results here then I used The first 5 in betting
order - off AAP or Rewardbet nominations The first 5 in barrier order The
first 5 horses ridden by senior jockeys -this may NOT be strictly 1 to 5
numerically -see (C) above.
19/02 MV
20/02 MR
24/02 SELECTS
Cheers
Tony
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From norsaintpublishing at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 20:18:27 2021
From: norsaintpublishing at gmail.com (norsaintpublishing at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 20:18:27 +1100
Subject: [AusRace]
=?utf-8?q?The_=28attempted=29_coup_that_nearly_cost_th?=
=?utf-8?q?e_bookies_=C2=A310_million?=
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Read a biography of Curley recently and apart from the Yellow Sam coup,
they pulled off a big'un not too long ago. Early 2000s from memory. Think
they were going for four winners and the first three lobbed, still winning
them millions.
He's a very interesting character. He once had a big house/stud in Ireland
and instead of selling it normally, decided to raffle it. There were plenty
of rucktions along the way but the raffle went ahead and he made money,
donating plenty to some charity or other at its conclusion.
On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 at 11:16, L.B.Loveday wrote:
> " the levy paid by bookies to sustain the sport, since that is calculated
> on their profits and not, as it should be, on their turnover".
> And magazine/newspaper publishers should pay tax on their revenue, not
> profits? The coup that nearly cost the bookies ?10 million
>
> Robin Oakley
>
>
>
> Coup-master supreme: Irish professional gambler Barney Curley, the brains
> behind the Yellow Sam betting coup [Daily Express/Hulton Archive/Getty
> Images]
>
> Robin Oakley
>
> 20 February 2021
>
> 9:00 AM
>
> -
> -
> -
> -
>
> Since coup conspirators nearly won ?10 million from the bookies, the sport
> has divided into two camps. Some grinned and wished good luck to the
> schemers in their efforts to worst the Old Enemy; others insisted with
> sober faces that it was a scandal which besmirched racing and diddled
> honest punters who weren?t in the know.
>
> With most racing eyes firmly fixed on the Dublin Racing Festival on 7
> February, bookmakers became aware overnight of potentially huge liabilities
> on three horses in obscure races, each saddled by a different trainer, who
> had been linked together at long prices in multiple trebles and doubles.
> Their panic grew as first Fire Away, trained by Laura Morgan, won the 1.25
> Class 4 novice chase at Musselburgh by 19 lengths. Backed originally at
> 25-1, Fire Away started at even money (1-1). Then, in Southwell?s 2.35,
> Blowing Dixie, trained by Iain Jardine, won a Class 6 Handicap over 1m 4f.
> Eighth of nine in his previous appearance, he started odds-on at 4-6,
> having opened at 9-1. All eyes were then on the third horse, Gallahers
> Cross, trained by Daragh Bourke. He started at 4-5 in the final race at
> Musselburgh, a Class 4 handicap hurdle, having opened at 33-1.
>
> The bookies were admitting that the plotters had got in under their
> odds-compilers? radar. To their credit, the likes of Betvictor?s Chris
> Poole praised the plotters? precision planning and said they would pay up
> if the third leg was landed. Fortunately for the turf accountant trade,
> Gallahers Cross finished only fourth and the tear-jerking spectacle of a
> multitude of bookies queuing for push bikes at Halfords having traded in
> their Mercs was averted.
>
> No mastermind has emerged. The three horses had different owners. The only
> links established are that Iain Jardine and Daragh Bourke train within 30
> miles of each other in the Scottish borders and that Laura Morgan had just
> bought Fire Away from Bourke. Recent form of all three horses was poor ?
> hence the long prices ? but Blowing Dixie had won four times at Southwell,
> Gallahers Cross, once sold for ?260,000, had shown passable form for
> champion trainer Nicky Henderson back in 2017?18, and he and Fire Away were
> on low?handicap marks. Although questions now arise about how fully the
> horses ran on their merits on their previous outings, nobody broke any
> laws. It was a classic coup and no better compliment could have been paid
> to its perpetrators than that people began searching for a link to former
> Newmarket trainer Barney Curley.
>
> Curley was the coup-master supreme, his most famous touch coming with
> Yellow Sam in Ireland in 1975. He had a well?handicapped but improving
> horse, dropped him in class and waited for ground that suited. Then, at
> rural Bellewstown, they struck. With Yellow Sam at 20-1, Curley had men
> primed shortly before the off to place bets at 150 betting shops across
> Ireland. With no mobile phones then to ensure that bookmakers did not phone
> through bets to the course to reduce the price, he had a burly associate
> occupy the only telephone box on the course for half an hour before the
> race, supposedly talking to a hospital where his aunt was on her deathbed.
> To the surprise of his amateur jockey, Yellow Sam won and Barney collected
> more than ?300,000 (more than ?1.5 million today) for the ?15,300 he laid
> out. It was one of many strokes he pulled over the years and small punters
> were with him all the way. When even the suspicion of a Curley coup
> appeared, others piled in to follow the former would-be Jesuit priest who
> probably had more bookmakers accounts closed than anyone in history.
>
> Others have followed on a smaller scale, notably crafty old Albert Davison
> who never let jockeys into his yard and who, when he had a decent betting
> prospect ready, used to send his stable lads into the woods saying his cows
> had escaped so that the animal?s final work could be conducted in secret.
> To the authorities he was a dodgy figure bad for racing?s image; the
> betting public largely admired the skill with which Davison could nurse
> broken-down horses back to health and know when they were fit enough to
> strike.
>
> Some pundits argue the latest attempted coup will damage the sport, saying
> that it will deter the public from going racing if some people know more
> about a horse?s chances than the general public. Phooey. Owners, trainers
> and stable staff know more anyway than the general public. Are punters
> getting a fair deal that truly reflects a horse?s chances when bookmakers
> pile money on to the course deliberately to bring down a horse?s starting
> price? Guessing when a horse is fully primed is part of the game; its
> raffish outer ring is part of racing?s appeal. My only worry, had the
> plotters won ?10 million, would have been the chunk lost out of the levy
> paid by bookies to sustain the sport, since that is calculated on their
> profits and not, as it should be, on their turnover.
>
>
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From tonymoffat at bigpond.com Thu Feb 25 01:31:01 2021
From: tonymoffat at bigpond.com (Tony Moffat)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 22:31:01 +0800
Subject: [AusRace] The New England Plus - a system
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You are right
Today
MR5, 3,4,2,5 got you 1st,2nd and third
MR6 9,4,10 got you 1st and 2nd
MR7 5,4,2 got you 1st and 2nd
MR 8 9,13,15 got you 2nd and third
3 wins 20/4.60, 3.70/1.90,3.80/1.45
9 places 1.45,2,30,5.50,1.90,2.35,4.60,1.30,7.50,2.20
In MR3 - winner 21/7 - there were two other winners, only R8 failed to
deliver a winner
In Sydney
winners at 5.50, 2.00, 3.60 maybe, 10.00, 3.50, 13.00
In Perth
R1 - 1st 1.55
R2 - 1st 1.70
R3 - Fail - apprentice rode the winner, system selections ran 2 and 3
R4 - 1st 2.45
R5 - 1st 2.15
R6 - 1st 1.34, a 81 placegetter got a guernsy (maybe)
R7 - Fail - apprentice rode the winner, the same apprentice too
R8 - Fail - winner not selected
These results took me 9 minutes to compile, time is often an element in
selling a system
meaning if it took me 9 minutes then selecting would be a similar time usage
also
cheers
Tony
From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday
Sent: Wednesday, 24 February 2021 12:45 PM
To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [AusRace] The New England Plus - a system
19/02 MV
20/02 MR
24/02 SELECTS
Is something missing Tony?
-----Original Message-----
From: Racing On Behalf Of Tony Moffat
Sent: Wednesday, 24 February 2021 15:26 PM
To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' >
Subject: [AusRace] The New England Plus - a system
The New England Plus - although it has other names, it depends on who is
assuming ownership for this version.
David Glenville, of Racetrack magazine systems fame, claimed it as his at
one time - he was American too, and it was named The Yankee (Doodle Dandy)!
Another was Len Scofer (Dallas Leonard Scofer as named by his parents) Len
was a by-product of Elan School - a tough love place if ever there was one
and had been sent there by NYC juvenile aid groups for behavior moderation.
NYC demanded results too, apparently, a value for money clause. Then it was
named New England Plus.
Closer to home I heard about The Yankee first from my Uncle Eddy, a woodman
from the hills around Canberra but also the Hansard printer most afternoons
and evenings. Eddy had purchased his copy from an advertisement. I have his
copy now. It was the Excelsior Plan then and referenced its origin in New
York with the statement - 'the best there ever was' for winner finding)
Rules - only senior jockey mounts are considered
(a) Consider the first five in the betting and record their names (or TAB
numbers)
(b) Consider the first 5 barrier numbers, the runners in barriers 1 to 5 and
record their names (or TAB numbers)
(c) Consider the first 5 horses ridden by senior riders - discard horses
ridden by apprentices - in a list of 8 horses, say, runner numbers 1, 3, and
4 might be discarded because they are ridden by apprentices so your rider
list would be 2,5,6,7,8
You now have three lists of 5 runners.
Look for common runners in all lists.
A runner mentioned in all three lists is a selection, a runner in two lists
is also a selection.
This, and these, are from the golden age of system selling. No information
or advice as how, why the selection rules were arrived at, just do it and
prosper. Nobody did though.
If there are selections and results here then I used The first 5 in betting
order - off AAP or Rewardbet nominations The first 5 in barrier order The
first 5 horses ridden by senior jockeys -this may NOT be strictly 1 to 5
numerically -see (C) above.
19/02 MV
20/02 MR
24/02 SELECTS
Cheers
Tony
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From tonymoffat at bigpond.com Thu Feb 25 11:34:04 2021
From: tonymoffat at bigpond.com (Tony Moffat)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2021 08:34:04 +0800
Subject: [AusRace] The New England Plus - a system
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Continuing - no betting suggestions are offered with these - just an
interest until two fail successively and the whole lot get binned - that's
how systemeers operate, isn't it.
1. The first five in the betting ridden by senior jockeys
2. The first five barriers, with senior jockeys
3. The first 5 runners in TAB order, with senior jockeys
It is never going to be 1-5 repeatedly - selections come from those runners
common in each list (the 1,2,3 list)
MRX 5 - (Pakenham) 2,3,5 (4- the spare aka Harry)
MRX 6 - 2,6,5 (4,1)
MRX7 - 5 (11,2,3,6,4,7 - another elimination rule needed)
MRX8 - 6,7,2 (1)
SR5 - (Wyong) 5,3,7 (2)
SR6 - 5, (3,4,9,11)
SR7 - 9,6,4 (14,11)
SR8 - 3,2,1,5
I may result these after - if only as a crow
Cheers
Tony
From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of Tony Moffat
Sent: Wednesday, 24 February 2021 10:31 PM
To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [AusRace] The New England Plus - a system
You are right
Today
MR5, 3,4,2,5 got you 1st,2nd and third
MR6 9,4,10 got you 1st and 2nd
MR7 5,4,2 got you 1st and 2nd
MR 8 9,13,15 got you 2nd and third
3 wins 20/4.60, 3.70/1.90,3.80/1.45
9 places 1.45,2,30,5.50,1.90,2.35,4.60,1.30,7.50,2.20
In MR3 - winner 21/7 - there were two other winners, only R8 failed to
deliver a winner
In Sydney
winners at 5.50, 2.00, 3.60 maybe, 10.00, 3.50, 13.00
In Perth
R1 - 1st 1.55
R2 - 1st 1.70
R3 - Fail - apprentice rode the winner, system selections ran 2 and 3
R4 - 1st 2.45
R5 - 1st 2.15
R6 - 1st 1.34, a 81 placegetter got a guernsy (maybe)
R7 - Fail - apprentice rode the winner, the same apprentice too
R8 - Fail - winner not selected
These results took me 9 minutes to compile, time is often an element in
selling a system
meaning if it took me 9 minutes then selecting would be a similar time usage
also
cheers
Tony
From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday
Sent: Wednesday, 24 February 2021 12:45 PM
To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' >
Subject: Re: [AusRace] The New England Plus - a system
19/02 MV
20/02 MR
24/02 SELECTS
Is something missing Tony?
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From: Racing On Behalf Of Tony Moffat
Sent: Wednesday, 24 February 2021 15:26 PM
To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' >
Subject: [AusRace] The New England Plus - a system
The New England Plus - although it has other names, it depends on who is
assuming ownership for this version.
David Glenville, of Racetrack magazine systems fame, claimed it as his at
one time - he was American too, and it was named The Yankee (Doodle Dandy)!
Another was Len Scofer (Dallas Leonard Scofer as named by his parents) Len
was a by-product of Elan School - a tough love place if ever there was one
and had been sent there by NYC juvenile aid groups for behavior moderation.
NYC demanded results too, apparently, a value for money clause. Then it was
named New England Plus.
Closer to home I heard about The Yankee first from my Uncle Eddy, a woodman
from the hills around Canberra but also the Hansard printer most afternoons
and evenings. Eddy had purchased his copy from an advertisement. I have his
copy now. It was the Excelsior Plan then and referenced its origin in New
York with the statement - 'the best there ever was' for winner finding)
Rules - only senior jockey mounts are considered
(a) Consider the first five in the betting and record their names (or TAB
numbers)
(b) Consider the first 5 barrier numbers, the runners in barriers 1 to 5 and
record their names (or TAB numbers)
(c) Consider the first 5 horses ridden by senior riders - discard horses
ridden by apprentices - in a list of 8 horses, say, runner numbers 1, 3, and
4 might be discarded because they are ridden by apprentices so your rider
list would be 2,5,6,7,8
You now have three lists of 5 runners.
Look for common runners in all lists.
A runner mentioned in all three lists is a selection, a runner in two lists
is also a selection.
This, and these, are from the golden age of system selling. No information
or advice as how, why the selection rules were arrived at, just do it and
prosper. Nobody did though.
If there are selections and results here then I used The first 5 in betting
order - off AAP or Rewardbet nominations The first 5 in barrier order The
first 5 horses ridden by senior jockeys -this may NOT be strictly 1 to 5
numerically -see (C) above.
19/02 MV
20/02 MR
24/02 SELECTS
Cheers
Tony
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From lloveday at ozemail.com.au Thu Feb 25 21:36:39 2021
From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2021 21:36:39 +1100
Subject: [AusRace] The New England Plus - a system
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Feel free to crow! Hope you bet.
From: Racing On Behalf Of Tony Moffat
Sent: Thursday, 25 February 2021 11:34 AM
To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List'
Cc: tips at ausrace.com
Subject: Re: [AusRace] The New England Plus - a system
Continuing - no betting suggestions are offered with these - just an
interest until two fail successively and the whole lot get binned - that's
how systemeers operate, isn't it.
1. The first five in the betting ridden by senior jockeys
2. The first five barriers, with senior jockeys
3. The first 5 runners in TAB order, with senior jockeys
It is never going to be 1-5 repeatedly - selections come from those runners
common in each list (the 1,2,3 list)
MRX 5 - (Pakenham) 2,3,5 (4- the spare aka Harry)
MRX 6 - 2,6,5 (4,1)
MRX7 - 5 (11,2,3,6,4,7 - another elimination rule needed)
MRX8 - 6,7,2 (1)
SR5 - (Wyong) 5,3,7 (2)
SR6 - 5, (3,4,9,11)
SR7 - 9,6,4 (14,11)
SR8 - 3,2,1,5
I may result these after - if only as a crow
Cheers
Tony
From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of Tony Moffat
Sent: Wednesday, 24 February 2021 10:31 PM
To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' >
Subject: Re: [AusRace] The New England Plus - a system
You are right
Today
MR5, 3,4,2,5 got you 1st,2nd and third
MR6 9,4,10 got you 1st and 2nd
MR7 5,4,2 got you 1st and 2nd
MR 8 9,13,15 got you 2nd and third
3 wins 20/4.60, 3.70/1.90,3.80/1.45
9 places 1.45,2,30,5.50,1.90,2.35,4.60,1.30,7.50,2.20
In MR3 - winner 21/7 - there were two other winners, only R8 failed to
deliver a winner
In Sydney
winners at 5.50, 2.00, 3.60 maybe, 10.00, 3.50, 13.00
In Perth
R1 - 1st 1.55
R2 - 1st 1.70
R3 - Fail - apprentice rode the winner, system selections ran 2 and 3
R4 - 1st 2.45
R5 - 1st 2.15
R6 - 1st 1.34, a 81 placegetter got a guernsy (maybe)
R7 - Fail - apprentice rode the winner, the same apprentice too
R8 - Fail - winner not selected
These results took me 9 minutes to compile, time is often an element in
selling a system
meaning if it took me 9 minutes then selecting would be a similar time usage
also
cheers
Tony
From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday
Sent: Wednesday, 24 February 2021 12:45 PM
To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' >
Subject: Re: [AusRace] The New England Plus - a system
19/02 MV
20/02 MR
24/02 SELECTS
Is something missing Tony?
-----Original Message-----
From: Racing On Behalf Of Tony Moffat
Sent: Wednesday, 24 February 2021 15:26 PM
To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' >
Subject: [AusRace] The New England Plus - a system
The New England Plus - although it has other names, it depends on who is
assuming ownership for this version.
David Glenville, of Racetrack magazine systems fame, claimed it as his at
one time - he was American too, and it was named The Yankee (Doodle Dandy)!
Another was Len Scofer (Dallas Leonard Scofer as named by his parents) Len
was a by-product of Elan School - a tough love place if ever there was one
and had been sent there by NYC juvenile aid groups for behavior moderation.
NYC demanded results too, apparently, a value for money clause. Then it was
named New England Plus.
Closer to home I heard about The Yankee first from my Uncle Eddy, a woodman
from the hills around Canberra but also the Hansard printer most afternoons
and evenings. Eddy had purchased his copy from an advertisement. I have his
copy now. It was the Excelsior Plan then and referenced its origin in New
York with the statement - 'the best there ever was' for winner finding)
Rules - only senior jockey mounts are considered
(a) Consider the first five in the betting and record their names (or TAB
numbers)
(b) Consider the first 5 barrier numbers, the runners in barriers 1 to 5 and
record their names (or TAB numbers)
(c) Consider the first 5 horses ridden by senior riders - discard horses
ridden by apprentices - in a list of 8 horses, say, runner numbers 1, 3, and
4 might be discarded because they are ridden by apprentices so your rider
list would be 2,5,6,7,8
You now have three lists of 5 runners.
Look for common runners in all lists.
A runner mentioned in all three lists is a selection, a runner in two lists
is also a selection.
This, and these, are from the golden age of system selling. No information
or advice as how, why the selection rules were arrived at, just do it and
prosper. Nobody did though.
If there are selections and results here then I used The first 5 in betting
order - off AAP or Rewardbet nominations The first 5 in barrier order The
first 5 horses ridden by senior jockeys -this may NOT be strictly 1 to 5
numerically -see (C) above.
19/02 MV
20/02 MR
24/02 SELECTS
Cheers
Tony
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From tonymoffat at bigpond.com Thu Feb 25 21:37:41 2021
From: tonymoffat at bigpond.com (Tony Moffat)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2021 18:37:41 +0800
Subject: [AusRace] The New England Plus - a system
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MRX 5 - (Pakenham) 2,3,5 (4- the spare aka Harry) 3 won
MRX 6 - 2,6,5 (4,1) 6 won
MRX7 - 5 (11,2,3,6,4,7 - another elimination rule needed) 5 won
MRX8 - 6,7,2 (1) 7 won
SR5 - (Wyong) 5,3,7 (2) 5 won
SR6 - 5, (3,4,9,11) 3 won
SR7 - 9,6,4 (14,11) fail
SR8 - 3,2,1,5 1 won
From: Tony Moffat [mailto:tonymoffat at bigpond.com]
MRX 5 - (Pakenham) 2,3,5 (4- the spare aka Harry) 3 won
MRX 6 - 2,6,5 (4,1) 6 won
MRX7 - 5 (11,2,3,6,4,7 - another elimination rule needed) 5 won
MRX8 - 6,7,2 (1) 7 won
SR5 - (Wyong) 5,3,7 (2) 5 won
SR6 - 5, (3,4,9,11) 3 won
SR7 - 9,6,4 (14,11) fail
SR8 - 3,2,1,5 1 won
In SR7 the winner paid 36.20 - it was (may have been) a contender under
Roger Dedman "Strata" - there may be a system for every season/winner.
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From lloveday at ozemail.com.au Sat Feb 27 11:24:44 2021
From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2021 11:24:44 +1100
Subject: [AusRace] (no subject)
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A bit like Geoffrey Hutson's approach outlined in his books.
Meet Lizzie Jelfs, the people's punting champion that moves markets
One of the most influential voices in Sydney racing is the darling of
bettors around Australia with her trusty iPhone delivering longshot winners.
Ray Thomas
5 min read
February 27, 2021 - 9:41AM
News Corp Australia Sports Newsroom
0 comments
Lizzie Jelfs and her microphone moves betting markets. Picture: Mark
Evans/Getty Images
When Lizzie Jelfs makes her pre-race selections from birdcages around Sydney
racetracks, punters listen. Her opinion can have as much influence on the
betting market as the biggest punters.
She studies the form, track conditions and other variables but relies more
on her expert eye and encyclopaedic knowledge of each horse to find a winner
- comparing the equine giants parading in front of her with hundreds of
images and videos of horses stored on her phone for reference on their
condition, fitness and improvement since she last clocked them.
Jelfs, who is an integral part of Sky Thoroughbred Central's Sydney race day
coverage, uses all this information to often nominate a longshot as her tip.
And too often gets it right to be a fluke.
So, how does she do it?
Lizzie Jelfs and her keen eye rarely miss a clue in the yard. Picture: Mark
Evans/Getty Images
"I profile every horse from the first time I lay eyes on them,'' Jelfs said.
"I look at their physique, manners, their walk, everything about them so I
can learn as much as I can about them from each run.
"If I haven't seen a horse before, it can play against me. But because I
know most of the Sydney horses so well, I can back myself to say if they
have improved.''
Jelfs said there are certain telltale signs she looks for in every horse
before making her selections.
"Change in behaviour is a big one for me,'' she said.
"If you see a horse that is usually quite relaxed and they are worked up
before a race, then often they don't run as well as they can.
"The physical appearance of a horse is obviously important. A trainer often
says their horse is bigger and stronger this preparation. That might not
make that horse any faster but it does make them easier to train.
"They recover faster from a race and they can have more work put into them
so they can be fitter again.
"But the most important factor, I think, is a horse's coat. You can see
everything in their coat.
"They can still run well if they don't have a good coat on them - but I find
they are few and far between. If their coat is just a little bit off, they
won't be at their very best.
"If you have four horses at the same level, if one has their coat that has
come through, that horse will invariably run better than the other three.''
LIZZIE'S LOOK AT RANDWICK
Chipping Norton Stakes
"Kolding is at his peak now while Verry Elleegant and Colette could be a bit
vulnerable second-up,'' Jelfs said. "Those two mares always sprint well
fresh and Verry Elleegant is bigger and stronger this time around. I'm sure
she has taken quite a lot of benefit from her first-up run.
"Colette is one of the best wet-trackers I've seen - bar Winx. I thought
Verry Elleegant was good in the wet but Colette seems to be on another
level. But I'm interested in Kolding. If the track is drying, he is the one
to beat.
Liverpool City Cup
"I'm looking forward to seeing Criaderas, he's a really nice horse.''
Jelfs hails from Oxford in England and although she doesn't come from a
racing family, she had a love of horses from a young age and rode at the
same pony club as leading Sydney jockey Rachel King.
But although Jelfs had ambitions of becoming a jockey, she was unable to
follow her dream for an unusual reason - she was too small!
"When I started working at the stables of Charlie Egerton at Lambourn, I
only weighed 45kg,'' she said.
"Charlie trained jumpers and he couldn't give me a go as I just wasn't big
enough.
"I wanted to be a jockey but Charlie was saying it is not the right life for
me.''
It was also difficult for female jockeys to break into English racing at the
time - this was the reason King eventually moved to Sydney - so Jelfs
decided to go on a working holiday to Australia nearly two decades ago and
never left.
She joined the stables of Hall of Fame trainer David Hayes, where she rode
work at Flemington before eventually taking over his Sydney satellite stable
at Randwick.
"David was a great teacher,'' Jelfs said. "With his set-up in those days,
horses would often come from Adelaide to Melbourne and you would have to
learn them by sight.
"After 17 years working for David, I think it has 'prepped' me for this
job.''
It was Hayes who also saw an opportunity for Jelfs to work in the media and
recommended she apply for a presenter's role in Melbourne.
Lizzie Jelfs with Husson Lightning at the Gold Coast in 2007. Picture: Peter
Wallis
Jelfs was on air two weeks later and this led her to eventually joining Sky
Racing in Sydney.
"I love it,'' Jelfs said. "I can get my racing fix every day.
"I love being able to impart my knowledge and maybe soften the broadcast a
bit. It is still very focused on punting and I also bring that punting
element, but I do try to highlight the athletes in this sport.
"The jockeys are amazing, the track riders, and trainers, but for me what
has got me into racing is my love of the thoroughbred.''
Sydney's autumn carnival has its unofficial start at Royal Randwick today
with the return of Group 1 racing including the $600,000 Chipping Norton
Stakes, which means more punters and race fans will be tuning into Channel
528 for the live coverage - and Jelfs's mounting yard selections.
She started work on today's Randwick meeting when nominations came out last
Monday, then began her serious form study when the final fields and barrier
draws were announced on Wednesday. It's her weekly ritual.
Jelfs has developed a deserved reputation for regularly finding longshot
winners but doesn't let the pressure and expectation to find the shock
selection cloud her judgment.
"The only pressure I feel is to give the best information possible because
I'm very aware that people are betting,'' Jelfs said.
"If I am giving people information, I want it to be the right information.
Authenticity is important.
"I used to get some backlash on Twitter, but I feel I have been accepted
more now as people understand I'm trying to give information to them.''
WHAT MAKES LIZZIE SO GOOD
Andrew Georgiou - TAB
"You only have to look at when she does give her selection as the Pick of
the Yard, more often than not that horse will firm straight away. There are
punters out there who are listening and waiting for her selections - she is
the people's champion.''
Ron Dufficy - Sky Thoroughbred Central form expert
"If a horse is resuming from a spell, you would be amazed at the data Lizzie
on her phone about that horse. I was asking about Verry Elleegant before she
resumed and Lizzie had images of the mare from last year and at trials to
point out the physical changes. Lizzie is a horsewoman but she knows her
form.''
More Coverage
Ray and Duff: Superstar mare
's Verry best to come Australia
's new queen of the racetrack
Greg Radley - Sky Thoroughbred Central host
"I think what makes Lizzie so good is her delivery. She speaks the language
of punters, whether they are experienced or inexperienced. Her grasp of
individual horses is quite incredible.''
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From tonymoffat at bigpond.com Sun Feb 28 15:52:58 2021
From: tonymoffat at bigpond.com (Tony Moffat)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 12:52:58 +0800
Subject: [AusRace] Blue Gum Theories - a system
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This is a variation on 'The New England Plus' - thanks to Vim for the
reminder. There is one known copy (and it was mine)
The New England system concentrated selection around the price, barrier and
TAB number
Blue Gum number 7 (of 17) keeps its selection criteria amongst the lesser
numbers by multiplication
You need:
(A) the BARRIER number
(B the TAB number
(C)the PRICE at the five minute pre-race time
You are required to
(i) multiply the BARRIER number with the TAB number - then record the
product where it ends up less than or equal to 25 (5*5) -rank these values
(ii) at the 5 minute pre-race time multiply the PRICE with the score
recorded in (i) - circle those runners with a product score of less than or
equal to 125
Rank these values
(ii) ALL runners and their scores are considered - those with the lesser
scores become selections.
NOTE: There is no recommendation regarding apprentices - all riders are
considered
Ignore fields in WFA, SW, Maiden SW. The system is meant to be operated on
Novice, Encourage, Trial, Graduation, Handicaps, Cups in the metro area and
main race handicaps during the week.
It is meant for operation on course (the price/time requirement).
There are results in the form of winners only, not fields, elimination or
inclusion of runners, and why. The staple(s) rusted on mine and so a quite
thick booklet ended up as a series of 25/28 loose pages
27/02 Randwick
Liverpool City Cup
Tab 1, ranked 2, ranked 1 $6.10 3rd
Tab 2, ranked 5, ranked 2 $6.20 Unp
Tab 3, ranked 3, ranked 4 $11.70 Unp
Tab 5, ranked 1, ranked 5 $45.50/6.90 WON
Tab 7 and Tab 10 were also considered but
Excluded because either there early or late rankings
were beyond 5
==========================
Heineken
Tab 2 Yonkers ranked 4 and 4 21.60/4.70 WON
==========================
R9 Hcp
Fail
==========================
MR 2
TAB 1 RANKED 1 AND 1 UNP
TAB 2 RANKED 3 AND 4 WON
TAB 3 RANKED 3 AND 2 UNP
TAB 4 RANKED 2 AND 3 2ND
===========================
MR 4 FAIL
===========================
MR5
TAB 2 RANKED 5 AND 1 WON
===========================
Another way, may be. Or is it just the price/market affecting the
selections.
I think that future posts from me will be scant - it has been an enjoyable
couple of years but
I might post up a bibliography list later
Cheers
Tony
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