From i8work at aussiebb.com.au Thu Sep 3 19:06:33 2020 From: i8work at aussiebb.com.au (i8work at aussiebb.com.au) Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2020 19:06:33 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] Good Betting and Racing Guide (GBRG) - Malcolm Knowles - a system In-Reply-To: <000001d67ce6$94615f60$bd241e20$@bigpond.com> References: <000001d67ce6$94615f60$bd241e20$@bigpond.com> Message-ID: Knowles/Inracing left the room in 2016 according to below-"a Google search reveals nothing"....did you really look Tony? For interests sake, as a former Wizard user https://www.punters.com.au/forum/horse-racing/malcolm-knowles-shuts-up-shop_79342/ Tally Moyston.....nil for me also On 2020-08-28 12:54, Tony Moffat wrote: > Tally Moyston 'I'm Backing These' - a system. > > Tally Moyston used to be on the internet as a provider of horse racing > tips > - FREE - on a daily basis, before scratchings and more often before > midnight > the night before, if that makes sense. > > He? ranked each runner on earnings, the best/most got a one. Days since > last > start - most recent runner also got a one, barrier scores seemed to > correspond with barrier allocation - barrier one scored one, and last > start > finish position was also ranked - a win got a one , 2nd a 2. > > Then he multiplied these values together and obtained a final score for > each > runner. So a top earner 1 * most recent start 1* barrier 1* last start > finish position 1 = 1*1*1*1 resulted in 1 -the value for that runner. > > Tally was on air for that couple of hours also, you could text him? > about > things racing, rugby, fishing, shooting, and he was a Brainiac when it > came > to systems (choosing your procedure when betting) and he knew a lot of > them > by name, actions, inclinations, machinations, results, and he stated > that a > few of them worked, or, worked often enough to stay in the black at > least, > and what was needed was a mild progression staking plan which he got > with > Malcolm Knowles Power of Ten, manual entry, and perhaps later with the > software version. Knowles incorporated equations, and more, to > determine bet > size, divisor, trend analysis, 'nudging' and bet recording. Essentially > once > your strike rate is established, it is entered as a value then > moderated as > results arrive, and if you score less than the average the software > determines that your betting would assume the average, and do so in > quick > time, and it was just these occasions that the bets could be maximized. > Ok, > I have left most of the method of working out of that explanation, but > Tally > had his 'mild progression staking plan' and he was rapt. > > Malcolm Knowles was with The Wizard first up and crunched, and > tabulated, > shedloads of data relating to racing, published his findings and wrote > and > published 11 books appertaining to the punt. He went off freelance and > formed Inracing which had data scores similar to The Wiz. > > Malcolms son Tristian had a cancer episode whilst young and to support > research and treatment of junior age cancer victims Malcolm wrote and > published The Good Betting and Racing Guide (GBRG) under the auspices > of the > Royal Alexandra Hospital for Children. He raised a lot of money for > them, > and continued supporting Tristian with his Kids Cancer Foundation. The > Foundation is now closed. Tristian has a successful business career and > is a > gun wheelchair basketball player, and is a representative for Australia > in > several Olympic Games. > > The GBRG uses ratings to sum to a final score for each runner. Malcolm > has > provided tables of calculations (rating values) for API, Barrier, Days > since > last start, and Barrier. The book contains voluminous tables for > barriers in > metro racing, field size, prize money distribution, days since last > start, > pre-post to starting price conversions, in fact most common data fields > are > covered. > > The various input data rows are summed for each runner. Only runners > totalling 40 points or more are considered, races less than 2000m only, > there are runner number restrictions also, . > Eg a runner finishing 5th in Sydney has a rating value of 9, running > 4th is > 9.4, running 6th is 5.9... > A runner whose last start was 15-21 days ago has a rating value of 8.5, > 11-14 days = 9.2, 22-28 days =9.6 > A runner starting in Barrier 5 at Canterbury has a rating value of 6.3, > W.Farm - 11.5, R'hill - 10.4, Randwick 10.1 > The derivatives of these ratings are not given, nor explained, but they > would be stats based. > > Now Tally (remember him?) reckoned the GBRG was the best thing ever and > changed over his ratings from his own arithmetic to that of GBRG until > he > had an epiphany it seems. If GBRG rankings were higher than his own > rankings > the associated runner was almost always going to place, and they won > somewhat better than 66% (he said). Ok you had to wait for the race, it > wasn't every race like, but at least you could do your homework the > evening > before, sometimes on Thursday for Saturday. Tally moved on from the > final > summed score in GBRG. He ranked his top five or more in each race, and > ranked the GBRG top five also. If GBRG exceeded his score, and the > runner > was at least rated by both methods, this was the way to go. > > Tally is missing from the internet now, a Google search reveals > nothing and > the same goes for Malcolm and his Inracing. > > Cheers > > Tony From tonymoffat at bigpond.com Fri Sep 4 01:24:24 2020 From: tonymoffat at bigpond.com (Tony Moffat) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2020 23:24:24 +0800 Subject: [AusRace] Good Betting and Racing Guide (GBRG) - Malcolm Knowles - a system In-Reply-To: References: <000001d67ce6$94615f60$bd241e20$@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <000501d68206$4eac2ed0$ec048c70$@bigpond.com> Laurie - given that Inracing was on the net and is not now - that was my reasoning. Knowles says he had 238 Word items on his site, and access to one of his book as well - and now not a thing. I spoke to him Xmas 2018 and he was fine with me quoting some of his stuff. Tally returned to geophysics - Cheers -----Original Message----- From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of i8work at aussiebb.com.au Sent: Thursday, 3 September 2020 5:07 PM To: AusRace Racing Discussion List Subject: Re: [AusRace] Good Betting and Racing Guide (GBRG) - Malcolm Knowles - a system Knowles/Inracing left the room in 2016 according to below-"a Google search reveals nothing"....did you really look Tony? For interests sake, as a former Wizard user https://www.punters.com.au/forum/horse-racing/malcolm-knowles-shuts-up-shop_ 79342/ Tally Moyston.....nil for me also SNIPPED > > Tally is missing from the internet now, a Google search reveals > nothing and the same goes for Malcolm and his Inracing. > > Cheers > > Tony _______________________________________________ Racing mailing list Racing at ausrace.com http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com From norsaintpublishing at gmail.com Fri Sep 4 10:14:29 2020 From: norsaintpublishing at gmail.com (norsaintpublishing at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2020 10:14:29 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] Good Betting and Racing Guide (GBRG) - Malcolm Knowles - a system In-Reply-To: <000001d67ce6$94615f60$bd241e20$@bigpond.com> References: <000001d67ce6$94615f60$bd241e20$@bigpond.com> Message-ID: Interesting Tony. Strange how Malcolm has dropped out of the racing world like that. Is the GBRG worth a read? On Fri, 28 Aug 2020 at 12:55, Tony Moffat wrote: > Tally Moyston 'I'm Backing These' - a system. > > Tally Moyston used to be on the internet as a provider of horse racing tips > - FREE - on a daily basis, before scratchings and more often before > midnight > the night before, if that makes sense. > > He? ranked each runner on earnings, the best/most got a one. Days since > last > start - most recent runner also got a one, barrier scores seemed to > correspond with barrier allocation - barrier one scored one, and last start > finish position was also ranked - a win got a one , 2nd a 2. > > Then he multiplied these values together and obtained a final score for > each > runner. So a top earner 1 * most recent start 1* barrier 1* last start > finish position 1 = 1*1*1*1 resulted in 1 -the value for that runner. > > Tally was on air for that couple of hours also, you could text him? about > things racing, rugby, fishing, shooting, and he was a Brainiac when it came > to systems (choosing your procedure when betting) and he knew a lot of them > by name, actions, inclinations, machinations, results, and he stated that a > few of them worked, or, worked often enough to stay in the black at least, > and what was needed was a mild progression staking plan which he got with > Malcolm Knowles Power of Ten, manual entry, and perhaps later with the > software version. Knowles incorporated equations, and more, to determine > bet > size, divisor, trend analysis, 'nudging' and bet recording. Essentially > once > your strike rate is established, it is entered as a value then moderated as > results arrive, and if you score less than the average the software > determines that your betting would assume the average, and do so in quick > time, and it was just these occasions that the bets could be maximized. Ok, > I have left most of the method of working out of that explanation, but > Tally > had his 'mild progression staking plan' and he was rapt. > > Malcolm Knowles was with The Wizard first up and crunched, and tabulated, > shedloads of data relating to racing, published his findings and wrote and > published 11 books appertaining to the punt. He went off freelance and > formed Inracing which had data scores similar to The Wiz. > > Malcolms son Tristian had a cancer episode whilst young and to support > research and treatment of junior age cancer victims Malcolm wrote and > published The Good Betting and Racing Guide (GBRG) under the auspices of > the > Royal Alexandra Hospital for Children. He raised a lot of money for them, > and continued supporting Tristian with his Kids Cancer Foundation. The > Foundation is now closed. Tristian has a successful business career and is > a > gun wheelchair basketball player, and is a representative for Australia in > several Olympic Games. > > The GBRG uses ratings to sum to a final score for each runner. Malcolm has > provided tables of calculations (rating values) for API, Barrier, Days > since > last start, and Barrier. The book contains voluminous tables for barriers > in > metro racing, field size, prize money distribution, days since last start, > pre-post to starting price conversions, in fact most common data fields are > covered. > > The various input data rows are summed for each runner. Only runners > totalling 40 points or more are considered, races less than 2000m only, > there are runner number restrictions also, . > Eg a runner finishing 5th in Sydney has a rating value of 9, running 4th is > 9.4, running 6th is 5.9... > A runner whose last start was 15-21 days ago has a rating value of 8.5, > 11-14 days = 9.2, 22-28 days =9.6 > A runner starting in Barrier 5 at Canterbury has a rating value of 6.3, > W.Farm - 11.5, R'hill - 10.4, Randwick 10.1 > The derivatives of these ratings are not given, nor explained, but they > would be stats based. > > Now Tally (remember him?) reckoned the GBRG was the best thing ever and > changed over his ratings from his own arithmetic to that of GBRG until he > had an epiphany it seems. If GBRG rankings were higher than his own > rankings > the associated runner was almost always going to place, and they won > somewhat better than 66% (he said). Ok you had to wait for the race, it > wasn't every race like, but at least you could do your homework the evening > before, sometimes on Thursday for Saturday. Tally moved on from the final > summed score in GBRG. He ranked his top five or more in each race, and > ranked the GBRG top five also. If GBRG exceeded his score, and the runner > was at least rated by both methods, this was the way to go. > > Tally is missing from the internet now, a Google search reveals nothing > and > the same goes for Malcolm and his Inracing. > > Cheers > > Tony > > > > > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Racing mailing list > Racing at ausrace.com > http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tonymoffat at bigpond.com Fri Sep 4 12:00:54 2020 From: tonymoffat at bigpond.com (Tony Moffat) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2020 10:00:54 +0800 Subject: [AusRace] GBRG - Malcolm Knowles Message-ID: <000d01d6825f$39cc90a0$ad65b1e0$@bigpond.com> Saintly wrote: Interesting Tony. Strange how Malcolm has dropped out of the racing world like that. Is the GBRG worth a read? Northerly Yes. There is a lot of data in that book(let) that might form the basis of some/more impact values - to lead us down the slippery slopes so to speak. The formation/source of the data is not revealed (in true horseracing tutor style) but it would be statistics based, wouldn't it. Knowles said in his final announcement email that the landscape had changed - people/we wanted data but declined to pay for it and his data was subscription orientated. He gave the impression of being a one man band, he ran his show on the road often, caravanning? and more than once from overseas while at the Olympics eg. Right from the outset Knowles was an informer, perhaps that was his role at The Wizard, he authored a few books, numerous updates of data, a two page spread in the weekly Wiz There must have been a market, everything had a price tag, and for a while he branched out and supported superannuated punting, self funded retirees kind of. Certainly he tried a lot of angles to get us engaged in the punt, using his products. Those products had a Wiz feel about them. There is excellent data also in Trifecta Betting and Handicapping which was free. I have used that. Question: Is 25 year old data still relevant? Is the behaviour of runners then still the behaviour of runners now? Cheers Tony (first -----Original Message----- From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of Tony Moffat Sent: Friday, 28 August 2020 10:55 AM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: [AusRace] Good Betting and Racing Guide (GBRG) - Malcolm Knowles - a system Tally Moyston 'I'm Backing These' - a system. Snipped Tally was on air for that couple of hours also, you could text him? about things racing, rugby, fishing, shooting, and he was a Brainiac when it came to systems (choosing your procedure when betting) and he knew a lot of them by name, actions, inclinations, machinations, results, and he stated that a few of them worked, or, worked often enough to stay in the black at least, and what was needed was a mild progression staking plan which he got with Malcolm Knowles Power of Ten, manual entry, and perhaps later with the software version. Knowles incorporated equations, and more, to determine bet size, divisor, trend analysis, 'nudging' and bet recording. Essentially once your strike rate is established, it is entered as a value then moderated as results arrive, and if you score less than the average the software determines that your betting would assume the average, and do so in quick time, and it was just these occasions that the bets could be maximized. Ok, I have left most of the method of working out of that explanation, but Tally had his 'mild progression staking plan' and he was rapt. Malcolm Knowles was with The Wizard first up and crunched, and tabulated, shedloads of data relating to racing, published his findings and wrote and published 11 books appertaining to the punt. He went off freelance and formed Inracing which had data scores similar to The Wiz. snipped The GBRG uses ratings to sum to a final score for each runner. Malcolm has provided tables of calculations (rating values) for API, Barrier, Days since last start, and Barrier. The book contains voluminous tables for barriers in metro racing, field size, prize money distribution, days since last start, pre-post to starting price conversions, in fact most common data fields are covered. The various input data rows are summed for each runner. Only runners totalling 40 points or more are considered, races less than 2000m only, there are runner number restrictions also, . Eg a runner finishing 5th in Sydney has a rating value of 9, running 4th is 9.4, running 6th is 5.9... A runner whose last start was 15-21 days ago has a rating value of 8.5, 11-14 days = 9.2, 22-28 days =9.6 A runner starting in Barrier 5 at Canterbury has a rating value of 6.3, W.Farm - 11.5, R'hill - 10.4, Randwick 10.1 The derivatives of these ratings are not given, nor explained, but they would be stats based. Now Tally (remember him?) reckoned the GBRG was the best thing ever and changed over his ratings from his own arithmetic to that of GBRG until he had an epiphany it seems. If GBRG rankings were higher than his own rankings the associated runner was almost always going to place, and they won somewhat better than 66% (he said). Ok you had to wait for the race, it wasn't every race like, but at least you could do your homework the evening before, sometimes on Thursday for Saturday. Tally moved on from the final summed score in GBRG. He ranked his top five or more in each race, and ranked the GBRG top five also. If GBRG exceeded his score, and the runner was at least rated by both methods, this was the way to go. Tally is missing from the internet now, a Google search reveals nothing and the same goes for Malcolm and his Inracing. Cheers Tony -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com _______________________________________________ Racing mailing list Racing at ausrace.com http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com From tonymoffat at bigpond.com Thu Sep 24 10:08:41 2020 From: tonymoffat at bigpond.com (Tony Moffat) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 08:08:41 +0800 Subject: [AusRace] Ollie discards - a system (maybe) Message-ID: <000e01d69206$dd2755d0$97760170$@bigpond.com> Is there a database gun who can assist with this query please? If Damien Oliver rides one and it fails then DOESN'T ride it next time out, how often does it win/place it's next race? It doesn't have to be Ollie, it's just that he rides so many. It doesn't have to be a long term study either, say since Mid August until recently. Why? - it's the basis of a system from the 60's that I want to tell you about. The rules: Top jockey rode the selection last start. This start the jockey is an apprentice, or another jockey (rated top or not). The authors claim 60% place at 14/1+ win - (and they are selling this secret to us). Cheers Tony -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com From lloveday at ozemail.com.au Thu Sep 24 14:05:03 2020 From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 14:05:03 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] In case anyone has doubts about the dishonesty of UniBet Message-ID: <002e01d69227$e721f330$b565d990$@ozemail.com.au> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 81847 bytes Desc: not available URL: From lloveday at ozemail.com.au Thu Sep 24 14:47:16 2020 From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 14:47:16 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] Ollie discards - a system (maybe) In-Reply-To: <000e01d69206$dd2755d0$97760170$@bigpond.com> References: <000e01d69206$dd2755d0$97760170$@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <003401d6922d$cdc12860$69437920$@ozemail.com.au> Tony, I have an easily accessed data base with jockey this start and last start for the past 20 years, with my ratings of both jockeys, which will be different to others' jockey ratings, which makes agreement as to who is a "top jockey" impossible - and assessing someone as top based on rating will mean at some times a jockey may be rated "top", at others, not top. So for DOliver: 9429 horses DOliver rode last start, This start DOliver again rides: 2328 starts, 17.6% win, 43.2% place, return at level stake SP 78%, at my 100% normalised SP - 90% This start a different jockey: 7101 starts, 13.7% win, 36.3% place, return at level stake SP 79%, at my 100% normalised SP - 104%. -----Original Message----- From: Racing On Behalf Of Tony Moffat Sent: Thursday, 24 September 2020 10:09 AM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: [AusRace] Ollie discards - a system (maybe) Is there a database gun who can assist with this query please? If Damien Oliver rides one and it fails then DOESN'T ride it next time out, how often does it win/place it's next race? It doesn't have to be Ollie, it's just that he rides so many. It doesn't have to be a long term study either, say since Mid August until recently. Why? - it's the basis of a system from the 60's that I want to tell you about. The rules: Top jockey rode the selection last start. This start the jockey is an apprentice, or another jockey (rated top or not). The authors claim 60% place at 14/1+ win - (and they are selling this secret to us). Cheers Tony -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com _______________________________________________ Racing mailing list Racing at ausrace.com http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com From tonymoffat at bigpond.com Thu Sep 24 17:03:01 2020 From: tonymoffat at bigpond.com (Tony Moffat) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 15:03:01 +0800 Subject: [AusRace] Ollie discards - a system (maybe) In-Reply-To: <003401d6922d$cdc12860$69437920$@ozemail.com.au> References: <000e01d69206$dd2755d0$97760170$@bigpond.com> <003401d6922d$cdc12860$69437920$@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: <001201d69240$beb82630$3c287290$@bigpond.com> Len - as always, dependable, and thanks. I get 9429 = 2328 + 7101 Ollie on a winner = (2328/100) * 17.6 equals 410 winners from 2328 rides and he needs $5.70 each runner (2328/410 = 5.70) Joe Average (aka NotOllie) = (7101/100) * 13.7 equals 973 winners from 7101 rides and s/he needs $7.30 each runner (7101/973 = 7.30) Ollie when placed = (2328/100) * 43.2 equals 1006 placed so 2328/1006 = $2.30(5/4 - 5/1) NotOllie when placed = (7101/100) * 36.3 equals 2578 placed so 7101/2578 = $2.75 (7/4 - 7/1) Cheers Tony. -----Original Message----- From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Thursday, 24 September 2020 12:47 PM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: Re: [AusRace] Ollie discards - a system (maybe) Tony, I have an easily accessed data base with jockey this start and last start for the past 20 years, with my ratings of both jockeys, which will be different to others' jockey ratings, which makes agreement as to who is a "top jockey" impossible - and assessing someone as top based on rating will mean at some times a jockey may be rated "top", at others, not top. So for DOliver: 9429 horses DOliver rode last start, This start DOliver again rides: 2328 starts, 17.6% win, 43.2% place, return at level stake SP 78%, at my 100% normalised SP - 90% This start a different jockey: 7101 starts, 13.7% win, 36.3% place, return at level stake SP 79%, at my 100% normalised SP - 104%. -----Original Message----- From: Racing On Behalf Of Tony Moffat Sent: Thursday, 24 September 2020 10:09 AM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: [AusRace] Ollie discards - a system (maybe) Is there a database gun who can assist with this query please? If Damien Oliver rides one and it fails then DOESN'T ride it next time out, how often does it win/place it's next race? It doesn't have to be Ollie, it's just that he rides so many. It doesn't have to be a long term study either, say since Mid August until recently. Why? - it's the basis of a system from the 60's that I want to tell you about. The rules: Top jockey rode the selection last start. This start the jockey is an apprentice, or another jockey (rated top or not). The authors claim 60% place at 14/1+ win - (and they are selling this secret to us). Cheers Tony -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com _______________________________________________ Racing mailing list Racing at ausrace.com http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com _______________________________________________ Racing mailing list Racing at ausrace.com http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com From greg.j.conroy at gmail.com Thu Sep 24 18:12:16 2020 From: greg.j.conroy at gmail.com (Greg Conroy) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 18:12:16 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] Ollie discards - a system (maybe) In-Reply-To: <001201d69240$beb82630$3c287290$@bigpond.com> References: <000e01d69206$dd2755d0$97760170$@bigpond.com> <003401d6922d$cdc12860$69437920$@ozemail.com.au> <001201d69240$beb82630$3c287290$@bigpond.com> Message-ID: I asked a colleague to run this for Oliver through his database: "Oliver. 1.4.2015 onward so slightly more than the last 5 years or so where DOliver rode the horse last start and is did not ride it this start. At my prices and BFSP discount. 13.9% SR and 15.9% POT.? Greg Conroy, Inventor of Award Winning and Free: www.rewardbet.com ? read more: https://about.rewardbet.com/ And author of https://winwithoutform .com > On 24 Sep 2020, at 5:03 pm, Tony Moffat wrote: > > Len - as always, dependable, and thanks. > > I get 9429 = 2328 + 7101 > > Ollie on a winner = (2328/100) * 17.6 equals 410 winners from 2328 rides > and he needs $5.70 each runner (2328/410 = 5.70) > > Joe Average (aka NotOllie) = (7101/100) * 13.7 equals 973 winners from 7101 > rides and s/he needs $7.30 each runner (7101/973 = 7.30) > > Ollie when placed = (2328/100) * 43.2 equals 1006 placed so 2328/1006 = > $2.30(5/4 - 5/1) > NotOllie when placed = (7101/100) * 36.3 equals 2578 placed so 7101/2578 = > $2.75 (7/4 - 7/1) > > Cheers > > Tony. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday > Sent: Thursday, 24 September 2020 12:47 PM > To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' > Subject: Re: [AusRace] Ollie discards - a system (maybe) > > Tony, > > I have an easily accessed data base with jockey this start and last start > for the past 20 years, with my ratings of both jockeys, which will be > different to others' jockey ratings, which makes agreement as to who is a > "top jockey" impossible - and assessing someone as top based on rating will > mean at some times a jockey may be rated "top", at others, not top. > > So for DOliver: > > 9429 horses DOliver rode last start, > > This start DOliver again rides: > > 2328 starts, 17.6% win, 43.2% place, return at level stake SP 78%, at my > 100% normalised SP - 90% > > This start a different jockey: > > 7101 starts, 13.7% win, 36.3% place, return at level stake SP 79%, at my > 100% normalised SP - 104%. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Racing On Behalf Of Tony Moffat > Sent: Thursday, 24 September 2020 10:09 AM > To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' > Subject: [AusRace] Ollie discards - a system (maybe) > > Is there a database gun who can assist with this query please? > > If Damien Oliver rides one and it fails then DOESN'T ride it next time out, > how often does it win/place it's next race? > > It doesn't have to be Ollie, it's just that he rides so many. > > It doesn't have to be a long term study either, say since Mid August until > recently. > > Why? - it's the basis of a system from the 60's that I want to tell you > about. > > The rules: > Top jockey rode the selection last start. > This start the jockey is an apprentice, or another jockey (rated top or > not). > > The authors claim 60% place at 14/1+ win - (and they are selling this secret > to us). > > Cheers > > Tony > > > > > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Racing mailing list > Racing at ausrace.com > http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Racing mailing list > Racing at ausrace.com > http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Racing mailing list > Racing at ausrace.com > http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 81847 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tonymoffat at bigpond.com Thu Sep 24 22:17:49 2020 From: tonymoffat at bigpond.com (Tony Moffat) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 20:17:49 +0800 Subject: [AusRace] Ollie discards - a system (maybe) In-Reply-To: References: <000e01d69206$dd2755d0$97760170$@bigpond.com> <003401d6922d$cdc12860$69437920$@ozemail.com.au> <001201d69240$beb82630$3c287290$@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <003d01d6926c$b8993560$29cba020$@bigpond.com> Greg ? thanks >From an off list response - Another rider is 6 wins in last 26 discards although names, dates are otw the best tote + BF sum to $26 for three of those wins which proves the point a little bit. Cheers Tony From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of Greg Conroy Sent: Thursday, 24 September 2020 4:12 PM To: Ausrace Racing Subject: Re: [AusRace] Ollie discards - a system (maybe) I asked a colleague to run this for Oliver through his database: "Oliver. 1.4.2015 onward so slightly more than the last 5 years or so where DOliver rode the horse last start and is did not ride it this start. At my prices and BFSP discount.13.9% SR and 15.9% POT.? Greg Conroy, Inventor of Award Winning and Free: www.rewardbet.com ? read more: https://about.rewardbet.com/ And author of https://winwithoutform.com On 24 Sep 2020, at 5:03 pm, Tony Moffat > wrote: Len - as always, dependable, and thanks. I get 9429 = 2328 + 7101 Ollie on a winner = (2328/100) * 17.6 equals 410 winners from 2328 rides and he needs $5.70 each runner (2328/410 = 5.70) Joe Average (aka NotOllie) = (7101/100) * 13.7 equals 973 winners from 7101 rides and s/he needs $7.30 each runner (7101/973 = 7.30) Ollie when placed = (2328/100) * 43.2 equals 1006 placed so 2328/1006 = $2.30(5/4 - 5/1) NotOllie when placed = (7101/100) * 36.3 equals 2578 placed so 7101/2578 = $2.75 (7/4 - 7/1) Cheers Tony. -----Original Message----- From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Thursday, 24 September 2020 12:47 PM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' > Subject: Re: [AusRace] Ollie discards - a system (maybe) Tony, I have an easily accessed data base with jockey this start and last start for the past 20 years, with my ratings of both jockeys, which will be different to others' jockey ratings, which makes agreement as to who is a "top jockey" impossible - and assessing someone as top based on rating will mean at some times a jockey may be rated "top", at others, not top. So for DOliver: 9429 horses DOliver rode last start, This start DOliver again rides: 2328 starts, 17.6% win, 43.2% place, return at level stake SP 78%, at my 100% normalised SP - 90% This start a different jockey: 7101 starts, 13.7% win, 36.3% place, return at level stake SP 79%, at my 100% normalised SP - 104%. -----Original Message----- From: Racing On Behalf Of Tony Moffat Sent: Thursday, 24 September 2020 10:09 AM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' > Subject: [AusRace] Ollie discards - a system (maybe) Is there a database gun who can assist with this query please? If Damien Oliver rides one and it fails then DOESN'T ride it next time out, how often does it win/place it's next race? It doesn't have to be Ollie, it's just that he rides so many. It doesn't have to be a long term study either, say since Mid August until recently. Why? - it's the basis of a system from the 60's that I want to tell you about. The rules: Top jockey rode the selection last start. This start the jockey is an apprentice, or another jockey (rated top or not). The authors claim 60% place at 14/1+ win - (and they are selling this secret to us). Cheers Tony -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com _______________________________________________ Racing mailing list Racing at ausrace.com http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com _______________________________________________ Racing mailing list Racing at ausrace.com http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com _______________________________________________ Racing mailing list Racing at ausrace.com http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From: Racing On Behalf Of Ken Blake Sent: Friday, 25 September 2020 10:25 AM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: Re: [AusRace] In case anyone has doubts about the dishonesty of UniBet Any reason given Len ? KB From: Racing > On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 12:05 PM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' > Subject: [AusRace] In case anyone has doubts about the dishonesty of UniBet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 81847 bytes Desc: not available URL: From conceptracing at bigpond.com Fri Sep 25 12:29:41 2020 From: conceptracing at bigpond.com (Ken Blake) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2020 10:29:41 +0800 Subject: [AusRace] In case anyone has doubts about the dishonesty of UniBet In-Reply-To: <004801d692da$5f3f5440$1dbdfcc0$@ozemail.com.au> References: <002e01d69227$e721f330$b565d990$@ozemail.com.au> <000401d692d2$548ef210$fdacd630$@bigpond.com> <004801d692da$5f3f5440$1dbdfcc0$@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: <000c01d692e3$b97b10d0$2c713270$@bigpond.com> Len.I see Top Sport promote they don't close accounts and will accommodate larger bets. Have you investigated ? KB From: Racing On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 9:23 AM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: Re: [AusRace] In case anyone has doubts about the dishonesty of UniBet Did not bother taking it up. They would, with 99.99% probability, lie. And the Northern Territory Racing Commission is either corrupt or incompetent (and I am confident I could prove that in a proper court of Australian Law), or both, so a waste of time lodging a complaint. From: Racing On Behalf Of Ken Blake Sent: Friday, 25 September 2020 10:25 AM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' > Subject: Re: [AusRace] In case anyone has doubts about the dishonesty of UniBet Any reason given Len ? KB From: Racing > On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 12:05 PM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' > Subject: [AusRace] In case anyone has doubts about the dishonesty of UniBet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From: Racing On Behalf Of Ken Blake Sent: Friday, 25 September 2020 12:30 PM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: Re: [AusRace] In case anyone has doubts about the dishonesty of UniBet Len.I see Top Sport promote they don't close accounts and will accommodate larger bets. Have you investigated ? KB From: Racing > On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 9:23 AM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' > Subject: Re: [AusRace] In case anyone has doubts about the dishonesty of UniBet Did not bother taking it up. They would, with 99.99% probability, lie. And the Northern Territory Racing Commission is either corrupt or incompetent (and I am confident I could prove that in a proper court of Australian Law), or both, so a waste of time lodging a complaint. From: Racing On Behalf Of Ken Blake Sent: Friday, 25 September 2020 10:25 AM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' > Subject: Re: [AusRace] In case anyone has doubts about the dishonesty of UniBet Any reason given Len ? KB From: Racing > On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 12:05 PM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' > Subject: [AusRace] In case anyone has doubts about the dishonesty of UniBet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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