From tonymoffat at bigpond.com Sun May 3 13:02:36 2020 From: tonymoffat at bigpond.com (Tony Moffat) Date: Sun, 3 May 2020 11:02:36 +0800 Subject: [AusRace] Info wanted - please Message-ID: <002201d620f7$4d422600$e7c67200$@bigpond.com> Is there a database gun who can tell me the average runs for each 'campaign' for horses. The runs at age is not important but the runs in their first, 2nd, 3rd and subsequent campaigns is of interest to me. Y?. I had been looking at places v runs and it seemed the tired win/place record wasn't working (for me) I was wondering if a stronger stat might be deduced from this info - the least number of runs to accrue the most places off an average. Thanks in advance Cheers Tony -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tonymoffat at bigpond.com Sun May 3 18:34:22 2020 From: tonymoffat at bigpond.com (Tony Moffat) Date: Sun, 3 May 2020 16:34:22 +0800 Subject: [AusRace] Info wanted - please In-Reply-To: <002201d620f7$4d422600$e7c67200$@bigpond.com> References: <002201d620f7$4d422600$e7c67200$@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <002801d62125$a5c891a0$f159b4e0$@bigpond.com> 4-7-7-4-6-4-7 for runners with 40 starts (10000+ contenders out to their 5th year at this game) What is surprising, although it is often mentioned, is the 45% of runners that are cut after their first 'campaign', perhaps never to race again. It is interesting that the two persons who responded had similar figures. They, the responders, both consider longer than 35 days a 'spell' and after 42 days away the horse is re-set as a first upper. The numbers quoted above are for 84+ days away from the track. Cheers, and thank you Tony Subject: [AusRace] Info wanted - please Is there a database gun who can tell me the average runs for each 'campaign' for horses. The runs at age is not important but the runs in their first, 2nd, 3rd and subsequent campaigns is of interest to me. Y?. I had been looking at places v runs and it seemed the tired win/place record wasn't working (for me) I was wondering if a stronger stat might be deduced from this info - the least number of runs to accrue the most places off an average. Thanks in advance Cheers Tony Virus-free. www.avg.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robbie at robbiewaterhouse.com Mon May 4 15:21:36 2020 From: robbie at robbiewaterhouse.com (Robbie Waterhouse) Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 15:21:36 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] Info wanted - please In-Reply-To: <002801d62125$a5c891a0$f159b4e0$@bigpond.com> References: <002201d620f7$4d422600$e7c67200$@bigpond.com> <002801d62125$a5c891a0$f159b4e0$@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <00bc01d621d3$e2156f80$a6404e80$@robbiewaterhouse.com> Are you saying "runners with 40+ starts resuming after 84+ days" run, on average, 4th 1st up, 7th 2nd up etc? Forgive if I'm misunderstanding totally. Rob W 4-7-7-4-6-4-7 for runners with 40 starts (10000+ contenders out to their 5th year at this game) What is surprising, although it is often mentioned, is the 45% of runners that are cut after their first 'campaign', perhaps never to race again. It is interesting that the two persons who responded had similar figures. They, the responders, both consider longer than 35 days a 'spell' and after 42 days away the horse is re-set as a first upper. The numbers quoted above are for 84+ days away from the track. Cheers, and thank you Tony Subject: [AusRace] Info wanted - please Is there a database gun who can tell me the average runs for each 'campaign' for horses. The runs at age is not important but the runs in their first, 2nd, 3rd and subsequent campaigns is of interest to me. Y?. I had been looking at places v runs and it seemed the tired win/place record wasn't working (for me) I was wondering if a stronger stat might be deduced from this info - the least number of runs to accrue the most places off an average. Thanks in advance Cheers Tony Virus-free. www.avg.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tonymoffat at bigpond.com Mon May 4 17:11:22 2020 From: tonymoffat at bigpond.com (Tony Moffat) Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 15:11:22 +0800 Subject: [AusRace] Info wanted - please In-Reply-To: <00bc01d621d3$e2156f80$a6404e80$@robbiewaterhouse.com> References: <002201d620f7$4d422600$e7c67200$@bigpond.com> <002801d62125$a5c891a0$f159b4e0$@bigpond.com> <00bc01d621d3$e2156f80$a6404e80$@robbiewaterhouse.com> Message-ID: <006001d621e3$3825ea30$a871be90$@bigpond.com> Hi Rob - you are, totally (but that's ok) I was wanting the number of runs in a horses 'campaign', on average. What I got was on their first appearance they hung around for 4 runs on average, then went for a spell. After that spell, they returned for 7 runs, had a spell, then returned again for 7 runs - I think you see the pattern now? had a spell, then four runs, a spell, 6 runs etc. Y? I arksed. I was wondering if, say, 8 places off 16 runs may not be stronger in merit than 4 off 8 or some other combination resulting in 50% (say). Rather than slice in groups of 5 runs, as in 5,10,15,20 to get a statistic it is now possible to get an overview after 4 runs, then the 11th run, then the 18th run, then the 22nd run, this being the sum/summation of 4+7+7+4. Look it is not precise, not every runner has had 4,7,7,4 runs but a large number have and what I have is close to what has occurred. That is why we have odds, and thank you, and your mates, for those. There is more on this, the runs in a 'campaign' question, in Roger Biggs book 'A Handicapping Miscellany' page 73 and also his 'More Handicapping My Way' page 39. Cheers Tony From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of Robbie Waterhouse Sent: Monday, 4 May 2020 1:22 PM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: Re: [AusRace] Info wanted - please Are you saying "runners with 40+ starts resuming after 84+ days" run, on average, 4th 1st up, 7th 2nd up etc? Forgive if I'm misunderstanding totally. Rob W 4-7-7-4-6-4-7 for runners with 40 starts (10000+ contenders out to their 5th year at this game) What is surprising, although it is often mentioned, is the 45% of runners that are cut after their first 'campaign', perhaps never to race again. It is interesting that the two persons who responded had similar figures. They, the responders, both consider longer than 35 days a 'spell' and after 42 days away the horse is re-set as a first upper. The numbers quoted above are for 84+ days away from the track. Cheers, and thank you Tony Subject: [AusRace] Info wanted - please Is there a database gun who can tell me the average runs for each 'campaign' for horses. The runs at age is not important but the runs in their first, 2nd, 3rd and subsequent campaigns is of interest to me. Y?. I had been looking at places v runs and it seemed the tired win/place record wasn't working (for me) I was wondering if a stronger stat might be deduced from this info - the least number of runs to accrue the most places off an average. Thanks in advance Cheers Tony Virus-free. www.avg.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lloveday at ozemail.com.au Mon May 4 18:30:30 2020 From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday) Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 18:30:30 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] Info wanted - please In-Reply-To: <006001d621e3$3825ea30$a871be90$@bigpond.com> References: <002201d620f7$4d422600$e7c67200$@bigpond.com> <002801d62125$a5c891a0$f159b4e0$@bigpond.com> <00bc01d621d3$e2156f80$a6404e80$@robbiewaterhouse.com> <006001d621e3$3825ea30$a871be90$@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <005f01d621ee$47b3b120$d71b1360$@ozemail.com.au> I make it somewhat different. I looked at 224,096 horses, and have 183,512 having a second campaign (indicated by a break of 41 or more days between the end of first campaign and the start of the second). Thus a "dropout" of 18%. Of course over such a long period of time training methods and other factors may have changed. I took data between 1995 and present, deleted all that had run before 1997 so that other than a 2 year break, I picked up their first start, and deleted all that had run since 1/1/2018 so that I only had horses that finished racing (or were having a 2+ years spell). For first campaign, I have: Total Horses 224,096 Runs N 1 73503 2 56347 3 38303 4 23653 5 13790 6 7759 7 4439 8 2431 9 1440 10+ 2431 Average 2.69, Median 2 for second campaign, I have: Total Horses 183,512 1 25658 2 28257 3 28721 4 26180 5 22164 6 16687 7 11770 8 8061 9 5404 10+ 10610 Average 4.41, Median 4 for third campaign I have: Total Horses 141,644 1 16517 2 17971 3 18518 4 18526 5 16427 6 13800 7 11232 8 8339 9 6061 10+ 14253 Average 5.12, Median 4 From: Racing On Behalf Of Tony Moffat Sent: Monday, 4 May 2020 17:11 PM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: Re: [AusRace] Info wanted - please Hi Rob - you are, totally (but that's ok) I was wanting the number of runs in a horses 'campaign', on average. What I got was on their first appearance they hung around for 4 runs on average, then went for a spell. After that spell, they returned for 7 runs, had a spell, then returned again for 7 runs - I think you see the pattern now? had a spell, then four runs, a spell, 6 runs etc. Y? I arksed. I was wondering if, say, 8 places off 16 runs may not be stronger in merit than 4 off 8 or some other combination resulting in 50% (say). Rather than slice in groups of 5 runs, as in 5,10,15,20 to get a statistic it is now possible to get an overview after 4 runs, then the 11th run, then the 18th run, then the 22nd run, this being the sum/summation of 4+7+7+4. Look it is not precise, not every runner has had 4,7,7,4 runs but a large number have and what I have is close to what has occurred. That is why we have odds, and thank you, and your mates, for those. There is more on this, the runs in a 'campaign' question, in Roger Biggs book 'A Handicapping Miscellany' page 73 and also his 'More Handicapping My Way' page 39. Cheers Tony From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of Robbie Waterhouse Sent: Monday, 4 May 2020 1:22 PM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: Re: [AusRace] Info wanted - please Are you saying "runners with 40+ starts resuming after 84+ days" run, on average, 4th 1st up, 7th 2nd up etc? Forgive if I'm misunderstanding totally. Rob W 4-7-7-4-6-4-7 for runners with 40 starts (10000+ contenders out to their 5th year at this game) What is surprising, although it is often mentioned, is the 45% of runners that are cut after their first 'campaign', perhaps never to race again. It is interesting that the two persons who responded had similar figures. They, the responders, both consider longer than 35 days a 'spell' and after 42 days away the horse is re-set as a first upper. The numbers quoted above are for 84+ days away from the track. Cheers, and thank you Tony Subject: [AusRace] Info wanted - please Is there a database gun who can tell me the average runs for each 'campaign' for horses. The runs at age is not important but the runs in their first, 2nd, 3rd and subsequent campaigns is of interest to me. Y?. I had been looking at places v runs and it seemed the tired win/place record wasn't working (for me) I was wondering if a stronger stat might be deduced from this info - the least number of runs to accrue the most places off an average. Thanks in advance Cheers Tony Virus-free. www.avg.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tonymoffat at bigpond.com Mon May 4 21:30:45 2020 From: tonymoffat at bigpond.com (Tony Moffat) Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 19:30:45 +0800 Subject: [AusRace] FW: Info wanted - please In-Reply-To: <005f01d621ee$47b3b120$d71b1360$@ozemail.com.au> References: <002201d620f7$4d422600$e7c67200$@bigpond.com> <002801d62125$a5c891a0$f159b4e0$@bigpond.com> <00bc01d621d3$e2156f80$a6404e80$@robbiewaterhouse.com> <006001d621e3$3825ea30$a871be90$@bigpond.com> <005f01d621ee$47b3b120$d71b1360$@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: <000801d62207$74289360$5c79ba20$@bigpond.com> Thanks Len If possible can you advise the 4th, 5th and 6th campaign figures Very comprehensive, very useful also Tony From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Monday, 4 May 2020 4:31 PM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: Re: [AusRace] Info wanted - please I make it somewhat different. I looked at 224,096 horses, and have 183,512 having a second campaign (indicated by a break of 41 or more days between the end of first campaign and the start of the second). Thus a "dropout" of 18%. Of course over such a long period of time training methods and other factors may have changed. I took data between 1995 and present, deleted all that had run before 1997 so that other than a 2 year break, I picked up their first start, and deleted all that had run since 1/1/2018 so that I only had horses that finished racing (or were having a 2+ years spell). For first campaign, I have: Total Horses 224,096 Runs N 1 73503 2 56347 3 38303 4 23653 5 13790 6 7759 7 4439 8 2431 9 1440 10+ 2431 Average 2.69, Median 2 for second campaign, I have: Total Horses 183,512 1 25658 2 28257 3 28721 4 26180 5 22164 6 16687 7 11770 8 8061 9 5404 10+ 10610 Average 4.41, Median 4 for third campaign I have: Total Horses 141,644 1 16517 2 17971 3 18518 4 18526 5 16427 6 13800 7 11232 8 8339 9 6061 10+ 14253 Average 5.12, Median 4 From: Racing On Behalf Of Tony Moffat Sent: Monday, 4 May 2020 17:11 PM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' > Subject: Re: [AusRace] Info wanted - please Hi Rob - you are, totally (but that's ok) I was wanting the number of runs in a horses 'campaign', on average. What I got was on their first appearance they hung around for 4 runs on average, then went for a spell. After that spell, they returned for 7 runs, had a spell, then returned again for 7 runs - I think you see the pattern now? had a spell, then four runs, a spell, 6 runs etc. Y? I arksed. I was wondering if, say, 8 places off 16 runs may not be stronger in merit than 4 off 8 or some other combination resulting in 50% (say). Rather than slice in groups of 5 runs, as in 5,10,15,20 to get a statistic it is now possible to get an overview after 4 runs, then the 11th run, then the 18th run, then the 22nd run, this being the sum/summation of 4+7+7+4. Look it is not precise, not every runner has had 4,7,7,4 runs but a large number have and what I have is close to what has occurred. That is why we have odds, and thank you, and your mates, for those. There is more on this, the runs in a 'campaign' question, in Roger Biggs book 'A Handicapping Miscellany' page 73 and also his 'More Handicapping My Way' page 39. Cheers Tony From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of Robbie Waterhouse Sent: Monday, 4 May 2020 1:22 PM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: Re: [AusRace] Info wanted - please Are you saying "runners with 40+ starts resuming after 84+ days" run, on average, 4th 1st up, 7th 2nd up etc? Forgive if I'm misunderstanding totally. Rob W 4-7-7-4-6-4-7 for runners with 40 starts (10000+ contenders out to their 5th year at this game) What is surprising, although it is often mentioned, is the 45% of runners that are cut after their first 'campaign', perhaps never to race again. It is interesting that the two persons who responded had similar figures. They, the responders, both consider longer than 35 days a 'spell' and after 42 days away the horse is re-set as a first upper. The numbers quoted above are for 84+ days away from the track. Cheers, and thank you Tony Subject: [AusRace] Info wanted - please Is there a database gun who can tell me the average runs for each 'campaign' for horses. The runs at age is not important but the runs in their first, 2nd, 3rd and subsequent campaigns is of interest to me. Y?. I had been looking at places v runs and it seemed the tired win/place record wasn't working (for me) I was wondering if a stronger stat might be deduced from this info - the least number of runs to accrue the most places off an average. Thanks in advance Cheers Tony Virus-free. www.avg.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: Untitled attachment 00003.txt URL: From andrew1richman at gmail.com Sat May 9 13:39:55 2020 From: andrew1richman at gmail.com (ANDREW RICHMAN) Date: Sat, 9 May 2020 13:39:55 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <5d99720b.1c69fb81.a2ede.0ab3SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> References: <000001d57bc4$55341220$ff9c3660$@ozemail.com.au> <5d99720b.1c69fb81.a2ede.0ab3SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Message-ID: We finally saw Ride Like A Girl last night on Foxtel and really enjoyed it. My wife thought she read that they cut some of the D Weir scenes out - is that true? and if so is it possible to see the original movie I wonder. Cheers, Andrew Richman On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 at 15:48, nick.aubrey wrote: > I went and saw RLAG last week with my partner Sharyn and we were both > impressed with the movie from a number of angles.... acting, > cinematography, closeness to actual storyline but most of all > characterisation. I think Stevie stole the show from Michelle and his > resemblance to himself was uncanny ? > Now i know Darren Weir has lost the respect of all in the racing industry > (for good reason) but he still came across as a very decent bloke who gave > Stevie his big break and hence started the association between POP and > Michelle. IMHO a must see Aussie movie of international standard. > > AN > > > > Sent on the go with Vodafone > > -------- Original message -------- > From: "L.B.Loveday" > Date: 6/10/19 8:32 am (GMT+10:00) > To: racing at ausrace.com > Subject: [AusRace] (no subject) > > High-profile racing women dug deep to make Payne film a winner > > Katie Page and Gai Waterhouse were among the silent backers determined to > turn Michelle Payne bio-pic Ride Like A Girl into a hit movie > > *Annette Sharp*, Sydney Confidential, The Sunday Telegraph > > Subscriber only > > | > > High-profile women in horseracing ? and keen to promote an Australian > legend and women in sport ? are among the silent backers of popular new > Australian feature film, Ride Like A Girl. Businesswoman Katie Page, the > CEO of Harvey Norman, co-founder of yearling sales Magic Millions and wife > of Gerry Harvey said she couldn?t think of a better place to put her money > than into a locally made film that would help make a legend of Melbourne > Cup-winning jockey Michelle Payne. > > ?What an extraordinary movie and an extraordinary story,? she said, > confirming she was quick to join a syndicate of silent backers who tipped > money into the project after filmmaker and actor Rachel Griffiths and her > co-producers started passing the cap around after acquiring the rights to > Payne?s book following Payne?s historic Melbourne Cup victory on Pirates Of > Penzance in 2015. > > > > Teresa Palmer as Michelle Payne in a scene from Ride Like A Girl. > > Page is dedicated to promoting women in sport and in racing and created a > sponsorship program that set aside 10 $5000 sponsorships for women?s > sporting clubs. > > Another racing pioneer said to have opened her private chequebook to > ensure Michelle Payne?s is Australian Turf Club vice-chair Julia Ritchie. > > Owner and trainer Ritchie was the first female board member on the AJC > board and her appointment to the ATC chair in 2014 shook the foundations of > the male-dominated club when she was voted in. > > Ritchie, the daughter of trainer Bill Ritchie of Bangaloe Stud and owner > of Golden Slipper winner Vancouver, may have been playing coy about her > investment yesterday and couldn?t be reached for comment. > > Harvey Norman CEO Katie Page has seen the movie twice. > > Ritchie?s love of film stretches back through the years to when she worked > in the film industry which is where she met Griffiths who still calls > Ritchie a close friend. > > Another outspoken supporter of the film is Australian trainer Gai > Waterhouse. > > Waterhouse, who attended a glamorous preview of the film at the Orpheum > Theatre two weeks ago with a group of eight including husband Robbie, son > Tom and jockey Hugh Bowman, said she too has a keen interest in the film. > > ?A couple of my strappers are in the movie,? she said on Friday, > confirming she is behind the project and behind Payne, who has ridden for > her. > > ?I think they needed quite a lot of extras for it, so my strappers pitched > in to lend a hand.? > > Payne too is affiliated with the Waterhouses through racing ? and Robbie > Waterhouse has the sense Gai may have given Payne some excellent advice > about how to win during the women?s work together. > > > > Trainer Gai Waterhouse. Picture: AAP > > Vice-chair of the ATC Julia Ritchie. > > ?Gai told her to get low in the saddle,? said Robbie, advice that might > have helped her bring home the Cup in 2015. > > ?Michelle has been one of my jockeys on a number of occasions,? said Gai. > ?She rode for me. How can you not love this story ? it?s a wonderful story.? > > Waterhouse proclaimed the racing scenes in Ride Like A Girl to be ?second > to none? ? high praise from the Tulloch Lodge trainer, regarded as the > leading female force in the game. > > ?A good film leaves you with a good feeling and this certainly did,? she > said. > > Page said she?d seen the movie twice and had left crying both times. > > ?I cry every time I see it and when I saw it, on both occasions, when > Michelle Payne?s character crosses the line everyone in the cinema got up > on their feet and cheered. It?s just so moving. > Even Gerry was moved. And you know Gerry?? she added, an eye-roll implied. > > Producers were looking to raise $5 million from the private sector to get > the low-budget feature made. > > Ride LIke A Girl director Rachel Griffiths. Picture: Getty > > Further funding came from Screen Australia via its Gender Matters: > Brilliant Stories program, an initiative which gets behind women?s stories > and women working in the industry. To win the private backing of women in > business, was an added coup. > > Griffiths and producer Susie Montague are also believed to have invested > in the movie. > > At this stage it looks to have been money well spent, with Ride Like A > Girl on its way to becoming the highest grossing Australian film of the > year, with almost $3 million taken at the box office last week. > > > > racing at ausrace.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Racing mailing list > Racing at ausrace.com > http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From norsaintpublishing at gmail.com Sat May 9 13:58:12 2020 From: norsaintpublishing at gmail.com (norsaintpublishing at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 9 May 2020 13:58:12 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: <000001d57bc4$55341220$ff9c3660$@ozemail.com.au> <5d99720b.1c69fb81.a2ede.0ab3SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Think they might have skipped Red Cardinal's Cup preparation. ? On Sat, 9 May 2020 at 13:41, ANDREW RICHMAN wrote: > We finally saw Ride Like A Girl last night on Foxtel and really enjoyed it. > > My wife thought she read that they cut some of the D Weir scenes out - is > that true? and if so is it possible to see the original movie I wonder. > > Cheers, > Andrew Richman > > > > On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 at 15:48, nick.aubrey wrote: > >> I went and saw RLAG last week with my partner Sharyn and we were both >> impressed with the movie from a number of angles.... acting, >> cinematography, closeness to actual storyline but most of all >> characterisation. I think Stevie stole the show from Michelle and his >> resemblance to himself was uncanny ? >> Now i know Darren Weir has lost the respect of all in the racing industry >> (for good reason) but he still came across as a very decent bloke who gave >> Stevie his big break and hence started the association between POP and >> Michelle. IMHO a must see Aussie movie of international standard. >> >> AN >> >> >> >> Sent on the go with Vodafone >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: "L.B.Loveday" >> Date: 6/10/19 8:32 am (GMT+10:00) >> To: racing at ausrace.com >> Subject: [AusRace] (no subject) >> >> High-profile racing women dug deep to make Payne film a winner >> >> Katie Page and Gai Waterhouse were among the silent backers determined to >> turn Michelle Payne bio-pic Ride Like A Girl into a hit movie >> >> *Annette Sharp*, Sydney Confidential, The Sunday Telegraph >> >> Subscriber only >> >> | >> >> High-profile women in horseracing ? and keen to promote an Australian >> legend and women in sport ? are among the silent backers of popular new >> Australian feature film, Ride Like A Girl. Businesswoman Katie Page, the >> CEO of Harvey Norman, co-founder of yearling sales Magic Millions and wife >> of Gerry Harvey said she couldn?t think of a better place to put her money >> than into a locally made film that would help make a legend of Melbourne >> Cup-winning jockey Michelle Payne. >> >> ?What an extraordinary movie and an extraordinary story,? she said, >> confirming she was quick to join a syndicate of silent backers who tipped >> money into the project after filmmaker and actor Rachel Griffiths and her >> co-producers started passing the cap around after acquiring the rights to >> Payne?s book following Payne?s historic Melbourne Cup victory on Pirates Of >> Penzance in 2015. >> >> >> >> Teresa Palmer as Michelle Payne in a scene from Ride Like A Girl. >> >> Page is dedicated to promoting women in sport and in racing and created a >> sponsorship program that set aside 10 $5000 sponsorships for women?s >> sporting clubs. >> >> Another racing pioneer said to have opened her private chequebook to >> ensure Michelle Payne?s is Australian Turf Club vice-chair Julia Ritchie. >> >> Owner and trainer Ritchie was the first female board member on the AJC >> board and her appointment to the ATC chair in 2014 shook the foundations of >> the male-dominated club when she was voted in. >> >> Ritchie, the daughter of trainer Bill Ritchie of Bangaloe Stud and owner >> of Golden Slipper winner Vancouver, may have been playing coy about her >> investment yesterday and couldn?t be reached for comment. >> >> Harvey Norman CEO Katie Page has seen the movie twice. >> >> Ritchie?s love of film stretches back through the years to when she >> worked in the film industry which is where she met Griffiths who still >> calls Ritchie a close friend. >> >> Another outspoken supporter of the film is Australian trainer Gai >> Waterhouse. >> >> Waterhouse, who attended a glamorous preview of the film at the Orpheum >> Theatre two weeks ago with a group of eight including husband Robbie, son >> Tom and jockey Hugh Bowman, said she too has a keen interest in the film. >> >> ?A couple of my strappers are in the movie,? she said on Friday, >> confirming she is behind the project and behind Payne, who has ridden for >> her. >> >> ?I think they needed quite a lot of extras for it, so my strappers >> pitched in to lend a hand.? >> >> Payne too is affiliated with the Waterhouses through racing ? and Robbie >> Waterhouse has the sense Gai may have given Payne some excellent advice >> about how to win during the women?s work together. >> >> >> >> Trainer Gai Waterhouse. Picture: AAP >> >> Vice-chair of the ATC Julia Ritchie. >> >> ?Gai told her to get low in the saddle,? said Robbie, advice that might >> have helped her bring home the Cup in 2015. >> >> ?Michelle has been one of my jockeys on a number of occasions,? said Gai. >> ?She rode for me. How can you not love this story ? it?s a wonderful story.? >> >> Waterhouse proclaimed the racing scenes in Ride Like A Girl to be ?second >> to none? ? high praise from the Tulloch Lodge trainer, regarded as the >> leading female force in the game. >> >> ?A good film leaves you with a good feeling and this certainly did,? she >> said. >> >> Page said she?d seen the movie twice and had left crying both times. >> >> ?I cry every time I see it and when I saw it, on both occasions, when >> Michelle Payne?s character crosses the line everyone in the cinema got up >> on their feet and cheered. It?s just so moving. >> Even Gerry was moved. And you know Gerry?? she added, an eye-roll implied. >> >> Producers were looking to raise $5 million from the private sector to get >> the low-budget feature made. >> >> Ride LIke A Girl director Rachel Griffiths. Picture: Getty >> >> Further funding came from Screen Australia via its Gender Matters: >> Brilliant Stories program, an initiative which gets behind women?s stories >> and women working in the industry. 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URL: From tonymoffat at bigpond.com Wed May 20 21:35:20 2020 From: tonymoffat at bigpond.com (Tony Moffat) Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 19:35:20 +0800 Subject: [AusRace] The Editors Method - a system Message-ID: <008a01d62e9a$be9cd9c0$3bd68d40$@bigpond.com> This one, and two variations, have been around for many years. It seeks to improve the strike rate of a public selector - meaning a newspaper tipster The version 'Reckoner' sold in Melbourne claims that the elements under consideration are those present in the past form of 99% of winners which is another way of saying they are present in the form of (almost) all runners, winners or no. The Editor featured here is one discussed in Racing Review Issue 562 by Anthony Scott on November 9 1977 - his version is that of Edgar Horn (USA) circa 1930 (as they say) The runners to consider are those tipped by your choice of public selector. (a) The runner must have raced on the track (b) The runner must have raced within the last 15 days (c) The runner must have finished within 5 lengths of the winner last start (or won, of course) (d) The runner must have finished not further back than 4th last start (including 4th, of course) (e) No maiden races for 3yo or older are to be considered (f) There is directions (rules) regarding changing conditions on race day - the selections were made for a good track and the racing is now heavy - no bets (g) Mr Scott added a rule of his own - the runner must have form at the distance ( a start, a place, a win - in ascending power) Some results from today Pinjarra R5 Fingermark 1st 11.30/2.90 Sunny Coast R8 Aziz Jamil Coureur (golly!) 1st 8.90/3.40 Pinjarra R6 Fire Sale 1st 3.30/1.3 - equal Bombardment unplaced Sunny Coast R9 Je Suis Belle 1st, 2nd, 3rd had identical scores Pinjarra R7 Trutiara 1st 4.10/1.40 Sunny Coast R10 Redstone 1st 3.20/1.40 - Dam Lovable had identical scores 3rd 23.10/6.20 Pinjarra R8 Wild Front 2nd 8.30/2.00 - that's the quaddie as well Cheers Tony -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From i8work at aussiebb.com.au Fri May 22 16:41:35 2020 From: i8work at aussiebb.com.au (i8work at aussiebb.com.au) Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 16:41:35 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] The Editors Method - a system In-Reply-To: <008a01d62e9a$be9cd9c0$3bd68d40$@bigpond.com> References: <008a01d62e9a$be9cd9c0$3bd68d40$@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <63177e6c7222e410588ff6416e291485@aussiebb.com.au> Aziz Jamil Coureur raced 17 days ago didn't it so ineligible On 2020-05-20 21:35, Tony Moffat wrote: > This one, and two variations, have been around for many years. > > It seeks to improve the strike rate of a public selector - meaning a > newspaper tipster > > The version 'Reckoner' sold in Melbourne claims that the elements > under consideration are those present in the past form of 99% of > winners which is another way > > of saying they are present in the form of (almost) all runners, > winners or no. > > The Editor featured here is one discussed in Racing Review Issue 562 > by Anthony Scott on November 9 1977 - his version is that of Edgar > Horn (USA) circa 1930 (as they say) > > > > The runners to consider are those tipped by your choice of public > selector. > > (a) The runner must have raced on the track > > (b) The runner must have raced within the last 15 days > > (c) The runner must have finished within 5 lengths of the winner > last start (or won, of course) > > (d) The runner must have finished not further back than 4th last > start (including 4th, of course) > > (e) No maiden races for 3yo or older are to be considered > > (f) There is directions (rules) regarding changing conditions on > race day - the selections were made for a good track and the racing is > now heavy - no bets > > (g) Mr Scott added a rule of his own - the runner must have form at > the distance ( a start, a place, a win - in ascending power) > > Some results from today > > Pinjarra R5 Fingermark 1st 11.30/2.90 > > Sunny Coast R8 Aziz Jamil Coureur (golly!) 1st 8.90/3.40 From lloveday at ozemail.com.au Fri May 22 21:36:41 2020 From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday) Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 21:36:41 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] The Editors Method - a system In-Reply-To: <63177e6c7222e410588ff6416e291485@aussiebb.com.au> References: <008a01d62e9a$be9cd9c0$3bd68d40$@bigpond.com> <63177e6c7222e410588ff6416e291485@aussiebb.com.au> Message-ID: <000f01d6302d$44e22060$cea66120$@ozemail.com.au> I make it 32 days! I intend to get around to a long-term analysis of results. -----Original Message----- From: Racing On Behalf Of i8work at aussiebb.com.au Sent: Friday, 22 May 2020 16:42 PM To: AusRace Racing Discussion List Subject: Re: [AusRace] The Editors Method - a system Aziz Jamil Coureur raced 17 days ago didn't it so ineligible On 2020-05-20 21:35, Tony Moffat wrote: > This one, and two variations, have been around for many years. > > It seeks to improve the strike rate of a public selector - meaning a > newspaper tipster > > The version 'Reckoner' sold in Melbourne claims that the elements > under consideration are those present in the past form of 99% of > winners which is another way > > of saying they are present in the form of (almost) all runners, > winners or no. > > The Editor featured here is one discussed in Racing Review Issue 562 > by Anthony Scott on November 9 1977 - his version is that of Edgar > Horn (USA) circa 1930 (as they say) > > > > The runners to consider are those tipped by your choice of public > selector. > > (a) The runner must have raced on the track > > (b) The runner must have raced within the last 15 days > > (c) The runner must have finished within 5 lengths of the winner > last start (or won, of course) > > (d) The runner must have finished not further back than 4th last > start (including 4th, of course) > > (e) No maiden races for 3yo or older are to be considered > > (f) There is directions (rules) regarding changing conditions on > race day - the selections were made for a good track and the racing is > now heavy - no bets > > (g) Mr Scott added a rule of his own - the runner must have form at > the distance ( a start, a place, a win - in ascending power) > > Some results from today > > Pinjarra R5 Fingermark 1st 11.30/2.90 > > Sunny Coast R8 Aziz Jamil Coureur (golly!) 1st 8.90/3.40 _______________________________________________ Racing mailing list Racing at ausrace.com http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com From i8work at aussiebb.com.au Sat May 23 11:37:29 2020 From: i8work at aussiebb.com.au (i8work at aussiebb.com.au) Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 11:37:29 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] The Editors Method - a system In-Reply-To: <000f01d6302d$44e22060$cea66120$@ozemail.com.au> References: <008a01d62e9a$be9cd9c0$3bd68d40$@bigpond.com> <63177e6c7222e410588ff6416e291485@aussiebb.com.au> <000f01d6302d$44e22060$cea66120$@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: Thanks Len. That would be the run on 1/4, you may be missing a run on 18/4, 6th R6 at DOO It may be a system of interest, on a very quick look (thanks Tony) - I used Bet Selector predicted to finish within 3L as my tipster. On 2020-05-22 21:36, L.B.Loveday wrote: > I make it 32 days! > > I intend to get around to a long-term analysis of results. From tonymoffat at bigpond.com Sun May 24 01:28:14 2020 From: tonymoffat at bigpond.com (Tony Moffat) Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 23:28:14 +0800 Subject: [AusRace] Strata System - by Roger Dedman Message-ID: <000001d63116$c7c13d60$5743b820$@bigpond.com> STRATA SYSTEM ? a system devised by Roger Dedman He says ?the following system, sold in na?ve good faith in the early 1960s demonstrates a weak point of all systems based on past results. Having noticed that many good priced winners, especially in better quality races, came from near the bottom of the weights, I tried to find other factors common to these winners. Examining such factors as barrier, recent form I was able to reduce the number of losers without markedly affecting the number of winners Only plausible sounding clauses were included (in the selection process) ? the results could have been improved greatly by excluding horses with names starting with A,F,G,H,N,O,R,T,V or W but that would be ridiculous as a clause ? Or would it? I have system(s) where just this clause/factor is omnipresent, excluding runners with names commencing with (la-la) or with letters in a sequence, or if the letters backwards agree with you. Look, I didn?t say they were good systems did I? Roger Dedman was contacted by Tony Moffat by email and I requested permission to quote the rules of this system. Doctor Dedman wrote ?Yes I am happy for you to quote those sections from my book? Roger Dedman is the author of Commonsense Punting ? A Mathematical Approach and the new version of this Commonsense Punting Revisited.(CPR). The system is in the earlier versions of the book. I have scanned the relevant pages and can mail that to whoever asks. Part A (1) Operate only races where the prize money is $2500 or more (this was then remember) (2) Disregard wfa races, set weights races (3) Consider only horses handicapped to carry bottom weight, equal bottom weight. Take no notice of allowances (Apprenti or overweights) ? only the allocated bottom weight. (4) Consider the three form figures for each horse. The total must sum to less than 12 (12 or less in the results) Do not consider a horse with 0 in its form figures. Do not consider a horse with fewer than 3 form figures.(<=12) (5) The horse must be drawn to start no further out than barrier 10 ? except in jumping races when the barrier is ignored.(<=10) (6) If two or more qualify prefer the horse with the lower total of the three form figures; if still equal choose the horse with the innermost barrier. If there is a scratching reconsider the disregarded horses. Part B(1) (i) Applies to Open handicaps and trial handicaps of 1600 metres or longer (a mile he said), with 12 or more starters where the prize money is less than $1600 (this was then, right) (ii) Disregard races for 2yo, 3yo, 4yo, wfa, special weights, set weights, jumpers, welters and high weights. (iii) Disregard race if more than 5 horses handicapped on bottom weight. (iv) Consider only bottom weights or up to two pounds above the bottom. Results are for bottom weight and up to 1.5 kilos. (v) Ignore emergency runners (Em 1, Em2, etc) your considered runner must be allocated the bottom weight (or up to 1.5 kgs more) and not some horse in the race out of pity (or something including whatever) (vi) The runner must start in barrier less than (and including) 10 (vii) The runner fulfilling these rules is your selection. The selection will have less than 3 pounds (1.5 kilograms) less than the next weight band. (54 kg v 55.5-56kg) Part B(2) (a) (Presumably) if you cannot get a selection within that weight band rule at (vii) the form figures of a horse under consideration must include one placing (3,2,1) and must not contain an 0. My Access data recognizes 0 as 9 (and 9 as 9 also) (b) The total of the last two form figures must be: 14 or less if both runs were on a metro track 10 or less if one run was on a metro track 7 or less otherwise Neither of the last two runs must have been over jumps Note that in Part B(2) a horse may qualify if it has only two form figures, but not if it has one form figure. If more than one horse qualifies prefer the runner with the higher weight with one exception; if there is only one horse on the bottom weight then it is the selection. That?s not contradictory. Still two or more contenders then prefer the runner with the most metro runs; prefer the smaller total of the last two form figures (last two of three runs); prefer the runner with the innermost barrier. Some results Part A (bottom weight, 3 form figures sum to 12 or less, barrier 10 or less) Flemington R7 Lord Von Costa unp 12.70/3.50 Randwick R7 Switched 2nd 3.80/1.60 Newcastle R7 The Patrician Unp 20.60/4.90 Randwick R8 Man of Peace 1st 9.70/2.50 Flemington R8 Shot of Irish 2nd 2.80/1.40 Eagle Farm R9 Ella Devine 2nd 18.70/4.60 Murray Bridge R8 Oh Mo 2nd 8.60/2.70 Belmont R7 Lukes Gold 1st 21.80/4.70 Belmont R8 Pastry 3rd 5.90/2.40 Belmont R9 Bar Trader 2nd 38.40/9.10 The last couple of hours of racing today. If there were more than 3 (so 4 or more) selections I moved on and away. My data, previous form, comes as a block of 10 runs, simply X is not shown, it?s not a race, it?s not important apparently but that causes a clash here. (a) back in the day when this was first published a X3 would show as a form figure 3 preceding a horses name, remember that? Today the data arrives as 9986654323 (say) so that the last three are 3,2,3, and that sums 8 which is well within the parameters of the system ? but it wasn?t the authors intention for it to appear that way. I have summed the last three runs in any event. The worst form figure is a 9, that really means the runner hasn?t fired in that race and that figure 9 covers all the places greater than 9 also (a 14th is a 9) and being a 9 it doesn?t show the demon 0. Never mind, a 9 is pretty woeful normally. Some results for Part B (1600m+, 2 form figures sum to 14 or less, not 2,3,4yo, wfa, jumps, welters or highweights, 12 or more starters, race type can be mixed age,sex) Race 1 Flemington Nashville Sound 3rd 10.50/2.80 Race 1 Belmont Hip Wiggle 1st 4.30/1.70 Race 8 Flemington Shot of Irish 2nd 2.80/1.40 Race 5 Belmont Petticoat Junction Unp 6.20/2.10 Race 9 Belmont Bar Tradet 2nd 38.40/9.10 Cheers Tony -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tonymoffat at bigpond.com Sun May 24 13:25:50 2020 From: tonymoffat at bigpond.com (Tony Moffat) Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 11:25:50 +0800 Subject: [AusRace] FW: Commonsense Punting Revisited - permission sought to quote from the book In-Reply-To: References: <000001d0fc45$bdc63190$395294b0$@bigpond.com> <002701d6308e$49963b80$dcc2b280$@bigpond.com> <000201d630bb$2fbdbdf0$8f3939d0$@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <001601d6317b$06498bf0$12dca3d0$@bigpond.com> The address for ordering the book is as advised Have I broken some statute doing this? ? it is an important book for punters From: Roger Dedman [mailto:rgrddmn at gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 24 May 2020 9:57 AM To: Tony Moffat Subject: Re: Commonsense Punting Revisited - permission sought to quote from the book Only from me directly. Just give my email address: rgrddmn at gmail.com People can pay for it by direct bank transfer. Thanks, Roger On Sat., 23 May 2020, 2:32 pm Tony Moffat, > wrote: Thanks ? what is the sale address for CPR now ? I?m asking where can it be purchased from? as I will include this in the reply to Ausrace Tony From: Roger Dedman [mailto:rgrddmn at gmail.com ] Sent: Saturday, 23 May 2020 9:59 AM To: Tony Moffat Subject: Re: Commonsense Punting Revisited - permission sought to quote from the book Hi Tony Yes, I'm happy for you to quote those sections from the book. I haven't read the book you mention. I really now have very little involvement in punting, though in theory I'm still interested. All the best, Roger On Sat., 23 May 2020, 9:11 am Tony Moffat, > wrote: Re-send ? first send got bounced (something) From: Tony Moffat [mailto:tonymoffat at bigpond.com ] Sent: Sunday, 17 May 2020 4:44 PM To: 'rgrddmn at gmsol.com ' Subject: FW: Commonsense Punting Revisited - permission sought to quote from the book Doctor Dedman ? trust you are well (and writing another book for bettors) Permission is sought to again quote from your book ? (a) to finalise the spreadsheet to show the calculated win dividend associated with the calculated place dividend. (b) to show the workings and innards of ?The Strata System? updated to today style of racing (meaning frequency/prizemoney etc) (c) Have you read ?The Complete Gambler? Edelman ? what does it/he mean - geez Cheers ? and thank you in anticipation Tony Moffat From: Roger Dedman Sent: Friday, 2 October 2015 5:12 AM To: Tony Moffat Subject: Re: Commonsense Punting Revisited - permission sought to quote from the book Hi Tony - I'm very happy for you to quote from my book, CPR. I'm impressed with your ingenuity in setting up the spreadsheet - somebody who actually bothered to follow the calculations through! I'd be interested to know of any useful discussion that arises from your post; it may even generate an extra sale or two of the book. And I'm glad you liked what I wrote enough to want to spread it around. Best wishes, Roger Dedman On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 10:36 PM, Tony Moffat > wrote: Roger - I subscribe to the Ausrace discussion group. I am seeking permission to quote from your book to stimulate discussion on the group list. Chapter 8 (Place and each way betting) discussion and math - utilising the fraction sum displayed in Appendix 3 has been converted to an Excel sheet - permission is sought to disseminate this spreadsheet to persons who ask for it - 3 at most! - a copy is attached. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tonymoffat at bigpond.com Tue May 26 11:32:47 2020 From: tonymoffat at bigpond.com (Tony Moffat) Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 09:32:47 +0800 Subject: [AusRace] One leg, one eye, one ear Winarsky - Aubreys way, a system Message-ID: <000401d632fd$9044a1e0$b0cde5a0$@bigpond.com> One leg, one eye, one ear Winarsky* Aubrey Winarsky was a punter in Melbourne. He, and his brother Drayton, lived near Wattle Park and they sold carpet in their shop at Spotswood. They were from Devon UK. Aubrey, 'Lucky' to all, and probably because of his decreasing number of faculties often sat on the jarrah bench near the ring where I worked on course. He would call you over to ask a price and my Boss or Maree quoted then sometimes had to query another fielder to see if there was better value there. At least it was nearly always early and never when we were busy. The eye then the leg went as a POW, he was sent here for medical treatment, returned to the UK and both of them, he and Drayton, ended up back here. Lucky reckons it was the leg, it made him walk in circles, and Drayton chipped in with 'the land of milk and honey, if you bring your own cow and your own bees' he laughed and smiled and he had gold fillings, and an ear ring, which must have been comforting for the clients at the carpet shop. The ear, the lack of ear lug, was because he got hit with a bottle at a game in the back lanes of a suburb, 'it's where the 79 tram turns into the park' to be specific, or not. He walked on a crutch, one, but he bought his chair with him, a woven cane affair made by Pakistanis, with seriously skinny tyres on spoked wheels. Mobility was the responsibility of Drayton apparently and remember wheelchair access was not a thing, a thought, or a consideration then, almost nowhere. Aubrey was a form student, he had writing pad size printed sheets with the runners names hand written in and before their names there were eight columns. In the four columns closest to the runners names he wrote in the last four form figures for each runner, using the details in the form paper. Then in the remaining four columns he sorted the best to the worst finishes, so that in a 12 horse field each column may be sorted one to 12 from a win last start to a finish down the back. Of course there would be equals, two or three last winners for instance, then a couple of 3rds say so in that case the numbers did not run to 12 but to some other lesser number, typically the worst ranked was 9 or less. Aubrey did that in all columns, 4 of them. Those numbers had power to his way of thinking. The form lines may be as below. 5632 Peter 4623 John 1451 Chris Would be sorted 3222 Peter 2213 John 1131 Chris I have used just the three runners here, in a full field the range and disparity of the sorted numbers, correctly the ranked numbers, would be more descriptive, obvious even. Next, Aubrey took the ranked numbers on each line way from the biggest, numerically, number then summed the results. I feel a demonstration will inform you more. This is the 2019 Cup - 1 4 3 4 1 4 3 4 1 Cross Counter 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 Mer De Glace 4 3 3 5 4 3 3 5 3 Master Of Reality 3 2 2 3 3 2 2 3 4 Mirage Dancer 4 4 1 3 4 4 1 3 5 Southern France 5 7 7 1 5 8 8 1 6 Hunting Horn 4 2 1 6 4 2 1 6 7 Latrobe 3 5 1 6 3 5 1 6 8 Mustajeer 6 6 8 8 7 7 9 9 9 Rostropovich 4 1 1 7 4 1 1 7 10 Twilight Payment 5 1 2 5 5 1 2 5 11 Finche 7 3 2 1 8 3 2 1 12 Prince Of Arran 2 3 6 4 2 3 7 4 13 Raymond Tusk 1 2 3 1 1 2 3 1 14 Downdraft 8 2 2 4 9 2 2 4 15 Magic Wand 8 6 8 8 9 7 9 9 16 Neufbosc 7 8 6 8 8 9 7 9 17 Sound 3 2 4 1 3 2 4 1 18 Surprise Baby 2 2 2 4 2 2 2 4 19 Constantinople 6 1 3 5 7 1 3 5 20 Il Paradiso 1 4 5 7 1 4 6 7 21 Steel Prince 8 1 8 5 9 1 9 5 22 The Chosen One 2 1 4 2 2 1 4 2 23 Vow And Declare 6 7 6 3 7 8 7 3 24 Youngstar The above shows the actual form, and the modified form after ranking. He did the next calculation then. He took the ranked number away from the largest number in the column to get a runner score. In Vow and Declare case it is 8 minus2, 8-1,8-4, 8-2 = 6,7,4,6. The 6,7,4,6 was his representation of the runners V & D had beaten to get to here. He summed those numbers to get a score (this may have been an intermediate figure for an equation) and he seemed to only consider the 4 with the largest 'result', he meant sum I reckon. I can't tell us accurately what happened next, if he multiplied them together he would get a runner score different than when he summed. This would remove most ties I offered and he agreed. Anyway his final choices were not markedly different to the first cut shown. The values were used in a pricing equation. Aubrey bet on the quadrella, then took individual runners for small amounts with us. Having taken you through the somewhat convoluted maths he used it is possible to arrive at the same choices in a simpler, quicker way. At least the deconstruction he used showed him the stronger formlines connected to the runners. Each run is independent of the other, both horizontally and vertically, but has he got some connection by ranking? Another way, perhaps? Cheers Tony *The name is not related to the war time propaganda person. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tonymoffat at bigpond.com Tue May 26 12:11:59 2020 From: tonymoffat at bigpond.com (Tony Moffat) Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 10:11:59 +0800 Subject: [AusRace] One leg, one eye, one ear Winarsky - Aubreys way, a system In-Reply-To: <000401d632fd$9044a1e0$b0cde5a0$@bigpond.com> References: <000401d632fd$9044a1e0$b0cde5a0$@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <000001d63303$0a00a060$1e01e120$@bigpond.com> Sorry - formatting (or something) may have made this non-comprehensible (apart from the words) If you want the Word document which looked ok when I wrote it, let me know and I will send it as an attachment. Tony From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of Tony Moffat Sent: Tuesday, 26 May 2020 9:33 AM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: [AusRace] One leg, one eye, one ear Winarsky - Aubreys way, a system One leg, one eye, one ear Winarsky* Aubrey Winarsky was a punter in Melbourne. Cheers Tony *The name is not related to the war time propaganda person. Virus-free. www.avg.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: