[AusRace] Deductions "Scam"

[sean mclaren]

Len i sent you a quick email ...... did u get?. Tah Sean.

On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 6:49 AM L.B.Loveday <lloveday at ozemail.com.au> wrote:

> Today's challenge - compare these prices with BF:
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> Sapphire Coast 4/6   12.00/3.15 (missed 3.45 because they turned the place
> down when I bet win).
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> *From:* Racing *On Behalf Of *L.B.Loveday
> *Sent:* Friday, 14 February 2020 23:44 PM
> *To:* 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' <racing at ausrace.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AusRace] Deductions "Scam"
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> BF SP   Scone 7/2  16.0 (cf Fixed 31.0);  7/10 5.7 (cf Fixed 15.0)
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> They lost, but as I've proved, when limited to MBL, the price about losers
> is paramount.
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> The winner, #9 was BF SP 6.35. Compare that to 41.0 with BetZero when I
> bet (with #1 still in, say 32 after deduction, but I could not bet anyway,
> well before 9am) and 34.0 with BetEasy and Neds, with #1 out of the market.
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> The BF SP at 6.35 was well short of the 6.60 available to bet on BF - both
> subject to 10% commission. NOP/SP was 6.5, no commission of course, so 6.5
> vs 6.35*.9 = 5.715!
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> *From:* Racing *On Behalf Of *L.B.Loveday
> *Sent:* Friday, 14 February 2020 13:30 PM
> *To:* 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' <racing at ausrace.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AusRace] Deductions "Scam"
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> Ken,
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> Maybe these bets this morning will help the getting of your head around:
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> Scone 7/2     31/5.5
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> Scone 7/10   15/3.4
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> Do you think BF SP prices will be better?
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> By the way, do you think the BF SP prices are fairly determined? Not
> influenced by ZR's or other's position? Not inflated on those with no, or
> little, money bet to give a false impression?
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> As I write, declared BF SP markets for the last 12 races anywhere are:
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> 97.1
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> 99.3
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> 102.3
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> 97.6
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> 93.3
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> 99.8
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> 104.2
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> 100.0
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> 98.6
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> 102.9
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> 98.7
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> 98.7
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> So, under 100% average, cf last available bet price markets of 102-108%. I
> smell a rat.
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> Pub time for me.
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> LBL
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> *From:* Racing *On Behalf Of *Ken Blake
> *Sent:* Sunday, 9 February 2020 10:15 AM
> *To:* 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' <racing at ausrace.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AusRace] Deductions "Scam"
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> Len,
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>             Below Betfair place SP as opposed to New Place prices after
> deductions race 2 Pinjarra
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>         Bookie   Betfair
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>    1. 3.4       5.24
>    2. 3.4       4.19
>    3. 1.76     2.25
>    4. SCR
>    5. 1.56     1.9
>    6. 2.4       2.14
>    7. 3.75     6.0
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> (commission not deducted) Only 1 inferior price
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> But as usual across the board BF prices far superior.
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> Still cannot get my head around why people bet with Corporate thieves.
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> Ken
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> *From:* Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com
> <racing-bounces at ausrace.com>] *On Behalf Of *L.B.Loveday
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 8, 2020 7:47 AM
> *To:* 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' <racing at ausrace.com>
> *Subject:* [AusRace] Deductions "Scam"
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> Pinjarra Race 2 today had #4 scratched when it was 1.80 the Win pretty
> well across the board.
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> Both Sportsbetting and TopSport declared deductions of 37% for the Place.
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> Taking Sportsbetting's pre-scratching market, it's 246%, pretty typical.
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> BUT, after deducting 37%, it becomes 267%, highlighting the unfairness of
> the deduction.
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> Sportsbetting then put up a new market, at 248%.
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> How would you feel if you'd put $435 on #5 at 1.92, saw it reduced to a
> payout at 1.21 only to see the same bookmaker immediately offer 1.56?
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> Original
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> After 37%
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> New Place
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> TAB
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> Place Price
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> Deduction
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> Price
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> 1
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> 5.90
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> 3.72
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> 3.40
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> 2
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> 6.10
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> 3.84
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> 3.40
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> 3
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> 2.55
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> 1.61
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> 1.76
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> 4
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> 1.29
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> 5
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> 1.92
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> 1.21
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> 1.56
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> 6
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> 3.65
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> 2.30
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> 2.40
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> 7
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> 6.10
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> 3.84
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> 3.75
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> 246%
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> 267%
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> 248%
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> LBL
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