From i8work at aussiebb.com.au Sat Aug 1 10:27:52 2020 From: i8work at aussiebb.com.au (i8work at aussiebb.com.au) Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2020 10:27:52 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] Crafty Cruiser - is that it? In-Reply-To: <000401d66712$d092c440$71b84cc0$@bigpond.com> References: <000401d66712$d092c440$71b84cc0$@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <9aa389630aad1b41452cce7f60d4289c@aussiebb.com.au> You're right...there is an age limit now....may be 13? Lord Durante MV 7/11 is 12 and races. Mustard would be devastated! On 2020-07-31 18:15, Tony Moffat wrote: > I hope so - after 157 starts and a million and a bit. He is 12 tomorrow > and > that excludes him from running (I think). He was entered to day but > scratched, and had been scratched a couple of times also. > > Tony From tonymoffat at bigpond.com Sun Aug 2 11:43:04 2020 From: tonymoffat at bigpond.com (Tony Moffat) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2020 09:43:04 +0800 Subject: [AusRace] Tim's Plan - a system Message-ID: <003b01d6686e$4486e230$cd94a690$@bigpond.com> Tim was a pilot, flying groceries mostly from Melbourne to the gas fields in South Australia and far western Queensland. He was an employee of the catering crowd out there somewhere. He said they flew things in because it was more reliable than the trucks, what with bad roads, and 17 pubs, the occasional thunderstorm flooding, and the more normal dust storm, and him bringing in the groceries enabled the chef(s) to offer a varied menu, to guests, against the stodge ordinarily provided. His name in our ring was Pontious - I'll explain the origin of that if I have to. Pontious wasn't present at every meeting, mid-week yes and two Saturdays a month. Otherwise he was in the air from Essendon in his Piper Commanche (Cherokee?) VH - hotel something something to pass over Ouyen, land and refuel at Broken Hill, where personal purchase items for company staff were loaded, cigarettes by the carton, Playboy, pictures on 16mm reels (Hud, Geronimo, North by Northwest) then onto Quilpie after stopping over in Innamincka (Playboy for the boss) onto to Charleville to refuel, and overnight. He might have one passenger to bring back, only a resignee as others came out on leave on regular commercial flights, and besides he only had two seats and he sat in one of those. He slept in the plane, and showered in the aeroclub, and ate fruit for tea although he has eaten raw cauli, Brussel sprouts and capsicum. Remember, he carted these things up there and believed his feeding was carte blanche, both because he could and there were boxes and bags of the stuff. Next day, the return was a long day, downhill he said, all the way to Melbourne for a mid afternoon landing when the plane was checked, refueled, and prepared for reloading next morning. Two trips a week, every week, unless the oil camps had visitors then he might do another overnighter, with fish, cray fish (for Japanese executives) or cryovac beef for Europeans and Americans, although the Italians,Greeks preferred lamb, minced at that, everything frozen in pressed metal containers, to load out at 600 pounds. Next morning he went to Broken Hill to refuel then went downhill again, his words until the following Tuesday when he repeated what had occurred before. Four days, every five weeks, the plane went in to get its vitals checked, and was washed and polished, Tyre deflation was the only problem he had, once, and he carried his wheel as a spare but it had sat there for a couple of years now. It was his because he bought it. I am sure Tim never placed a main bet with us, with the others in the ring, yes he did, but with us he would sometimes cash a cheque by agreement with Marie - often if he was 'off' on the day and was going on that afternoon and night. He did frequent the rails with his $500 to $800 on a favourite and he had a few smaller dips in our ring, with us perhaps, not as a saver, just an interest. Tim backed the favourite, not every race, often in small fields, nearly always in jumps races, nearly always in fillies and mares and then nearly always when a select group was riding them, Higgins and co. Having put his main bet on the favourite he then looked at the remaining runners. In a 10 horse field, with one horse covered, he figured he had 9 horses to choose from, and two places to fill if he conceded the favourite would win (hopefully) or place (likely) then horses priced at 9/2 or more were overs, and he took one in that band to win, and moved down the price field a lot to back a runner showing 9/2 the place. . He did his homework on the favourite, dissected the form, everything to satisfy himself it was worthy of a bet. In a 9 horse field he looked for horses in the range 8/2 - 4/1. 11 Runners, after backing the favourite, he went for 5/1 runners. I can't vouch for the maths involved. The dividend displays, back then, were a handy tool for him. There were 3 win and place teams where we were and none of those would let you on without a win component to the bet. We were win only. He seemed to succeed with his method of outlay and return. His brother was a professional, and may have done similarly, taking in modest amounts of winnings but often enough to make it worthwhile. Both used the daily double to effect. An interesting bloke. I flew with him one Sunday, down the coast and around Cape Otway to Camperdown then I drove his International Scout back to Melbourne. Horrible. He sold it within a month I reckon. I saw him some months later at Lakes Entrance airport (old) where I was balancing and weighing loads for delivery off shore. He called out '4/1 the field' and I looked up and saw him, and Mrs Tim. He was retired then, but not for long I reckon. He had given up punting, he said. So had I. Today 01/08 - Cheers Tony -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com From lloveday at ozemail.com.au Sun Aug 16 18:45:48 2020 From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 18:45:48 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] Don't make this mistake! Message-ID: <005901d673a9$a5005ce0$ef0116a0$@ozemail.com.au> Unibet had been more competitive of late, so I started betting with them, and they accepted reasonable amounts, all hours. Then today I made a withdrawal, and next time I looked, no odds were displayed for tomorrow's races. Checked today, and Kalgoorlie not displayed although Narromine 9, the only non-WA race left was. Looks like full MBL'd, without notification - so I'd advise leaving the money with them until they MBL you, so they still assume they will get it back. May be just a coincidence, but... Why bother with Corporates Ken? I have to have money to spend on wine, women and song. LBL -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From i8work at aussiebb.com.au Sun Aug 16 18:58:18 2020 From: i8work at aussiebb.com.au (i8work at aussiebb.com.au) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 18:58:18 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] Don't make this mistake! In-Reply-To: <005901d673a9$a5005ce0$ef0116a0$@ozemail.com.au> References: <005901d673a9$a5005ce0$ef0116a0$@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: <2e50eca6d18458f09b6a30ee4d1b6fe9@aussiebb.com.au> Wot, nothing set aside for retirement!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-) On 2020-08-16 18:45, L.B.Loveday wrote: > > Why bother with Corporates Ken? I have to have money to spend on wine, > women and song. > > LBL From lloveday at ozemail.com.au Mon Aug 17 06:08:50 2020 From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 06:08:50 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] Don't make this mistake! In-Reply-To: <2e50eca6d18458f09b6a30ee4d1b6fe9@aussiebb.com.au> References: <005901d673a9$a5005ce0$ef0116a0$@ozemail.com.au> <2e50eca6d18458f09b6a30ee4d1b6fe9@aussiebb.com.au> Message-ID: <006501d67409$102d9a00$3088ce00$@ozemail.com.au> Nothing - ashes to ashes, live Business Class, leave only memories. Setting aside for retirement is for those who intend to stop working. I planned according to, but was misled by, Psalm 90:10. -----Original Message----- From: Racing On Behalf Of i8work at aussiebb.com.au Sent: Sunday, 16 August 2020 18:58 PM To: AusRace Racing Discussion List Subject: Re: [AusRace] Don't make this mistake! Wot, nothing set aside for retirement!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-) On 2020-08-16 18:45, L.B.Loveday wrote: > > Why bother with Corporates Ken? I have to have money to spend on wine, > women and song. > > LBL _______________________________________________ Racing mailing list Racing at ausrace.com http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com From i8work at aussiebb.com.au Mon Aug 17 13:53:14 2020 From: i8work at aussiebb.com.au (i8work at aussiebb.com.au) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 13:53:14 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] Don't make this mistake! In-Reply-To: <006501d67409$102d9a00$3088ce00$@ozemail.com.au> References: <005901d673a9$a5005ce0$ef0116a0$@ozemail.com.au> <2e50eca6d18458f09b6a30ee4d1b6fe9@aussiebb.com.au> <006501d67409$102d9a00$3088ce00$@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: <1ea2aa1010fa3f709f8966726181812c@aussiebb.com.au> "and the greater part of them would be labor and trouble" Nothing misleading about that. (also referring to snarky expats who mention arcane texts forcing you unto Google - BAH) On 2020-08-17 06:08, L.B.Loveday wrote: > Nothing - ashes to ashes, live Business Class, leave only memories. > Setting > aside for retirement is for those who intend to stop working. > > I planned according to, but was misled by, Psalm 90:10. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Racing On Behalf Of i8work at aussiebb.com.au > Sent: Sunday, 16 August 2020 18:58 PM > To: AusRace Racing Discussion List > Subject: Re: [AusRace] Don't make this mistake! > > Wot, nothing set aside for retirement!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-) > From conceptracing at bigpond.com Sun Aug 23 11:22:16 2020 From: conceptracing at bigpond.com (Ken Blake) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 09:22:16 +0800 Subject: [AusRace] Don't make this mistake! In-Reply-To: <005901d673a9$a5005ce0$ef0116a0$@ozemail.com.au> References: <005901d673a9$a5005ce0$ef0116a0$@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: <000001d678eb$d6f0a0b0$84d1e210$@bigpond.com> Hey Len..good to see your still in battle mode with those who go by the misnomer of Bookmakers. It may surprise you,but some months back I opened 7 Corporate accounts to cash in on and arb weekly specials. As expected, 6 accounts closed me out of all future promotional events. Sportsbet is the only one left. So, I made about 2k over around 6 weeks..so satisfying given my contempt for that sector of wagering industry. All expected of course. I'm glad to see such wise expenditure too Len. "A man's gotta make at least one bet a day else he could be walking around lucky and never know it" - Jim Jones KB From: Racing On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 4:46 PM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: [AusRace] Don't make this mistake! Unibet had been more competitive of late, so I started betting with them, and they accepted reasonable amounts, all hours. Then today I made a withdrawal, and next time I looked, no odds were displayed for tomorrow's races. Checked today, and Kalgoorlie not displayed although Narromine 9, the only non-WA race left was. Looks like full MBL'd, without notification - so I'd advise leaving the money with them until they MBL you, so they still assume they will get it back. May be just a coincidence, but... Why bother with Corporates Ken? I have to have money to spend on wine, women and song. LBL -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robbie at robbiewaterhouse.com Mon Aug 24 10:44:44 2020 From: robbie at robbiewaterhouse.com (Robbie Waterhouse) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 10:44:44 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] Don't make this mistake! In-Reply-To: <000001d678eb$d6f0a0b0$84d1e210$@bigpond.com> References: <005901d673a9$a5005ce0$ef0116a0$@ozemail.com.au> <000001d678eb$d6f0a0b0$84d1e210$@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <002501d679af$c32296f0$4967c4d0$@robbiewaterhouse.com> Dear KB, Not sure it worked out well for Jim Jones or his followers, despite the quotes charm! RW From: Racing On Behalf Of Ken Blake Sent: Sunday, 23 August 2020 11:22 AM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: Re: [AusRace] Don't make this mistake! Hey Len..good to see your still in battle mode with those who go by the misnomer of Bookmakers. It may surprise you,but some months back I opened 7 Corporate accounts to cash in on and arb weekly specials. As expected, 6 accounts closed me out of all future promotional events. Sportsbet is the only one left. So, I made about 2k over around 6 weeks..so satisfying given my contempt for that sector of wagering industry. All expected of course. I'm glad to see such wise expenditure too Len. "A man's gotta make at least one bet a day else he could be walking around lucky and never know it" - Jim Jones KB From: Racing > On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 4:46 PM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' > Subject: [AusRace] Don't make this mistake! Unibet had been more competitive of late, so I started betting with them, and they accepted reasonable amounts, all hours. Then today I made a withdrawal, and next time I looked, no odds were displayed for tomorrow's races. Checked today, and Kalgoorlie not displayed although Narromine 9, the only non-WA race left was. Looks like full MBL'd, without notification - so I'd advise leaving the money with them until they MBL you, so they still assume they will get it back. May be just a coincidence, but... Why bother with Corporates Ken? I have to have money to spend on wine, women and song. LBL -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lloveday at ozemail.com.au Mon Aug 24 12:16:44 2020 From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 12:16:44 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] Don't make this mistake! In-Reply-To: <002501d679af$c32296f0$4967c4d0$@robbiewaterhouse.com> References: <005901d673a9$a5005ce0$ef0116a0$@ozemail.com.au> <000001d678eb$d6f0a0b0$84d1e210$@bigpond.com> <002501d679af$c32296f0$4967c4d0$@robbiewaterhouse.com> Message-ID: <006701d679bc$9e9473f0$dbbd5bd0$@ozemail.com.au> Rob, Unless there really is Heaven, Jones was right that death is "just stepping over into another plane", and that "plane" for them was Heaven. LBL From: Racing On Behalf Of Robbie Waterhouse Sent: Monday, 24 August 2020 10:45 AM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: Re: [AusRace] Don't make this mistake! Dear KB, Not sure it worked out well for Jim Jones or his followers, despite the quotes charm! RW From: Racing > On Behalf Of Ken Blake Sent: Sunday, 23 August 2020 11:22 AM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' > Subject: Re: [AusRace] Don't make this mistake! Hey Len..good to see your still in battle mode with those who go by the misnomer of Bookmakers. It may surprise you,but some months back I opened 7 Corporate accounts to cash in on and arb weekly specials. As expected, 6 accounts closed me out of all future promotional events. Sportsbet is the only one left. So, I made about 2k over around 6 weeks..so satisfying given my contempt for that sector of wagering industry. All expected of course. I'm glad to see such wise expenditure too Len. "A man's gotta make at least one bet a day else he could be walking around lucky and never know it" - Jim Jones KB From: Racing > On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 4:46 PM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' > Subject: [AusRace] Don't make this mistake! Unibet had been more competitive of late, so I started betting with them, and they accepted reasonable amounts, all hours. Then today I made a withdrawal, and next time I looked, no odds were displayed for tomorrow's races. Checked today, and Kalgoorlie not displayed although Narromine 9, the only non-WA race left was. Looks like full MBL'd, without notification - so I'd advise leaving the money with them until they MBL you, so they still assume they will get it back. May be just a coincidence, but... Why bother with Corporates Ken? I have to have money to spend on wine, women and song. LBL -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robbie at robbiewaterhouse.com Mon Aug 24 15:56:03 2020 From: robbie at robbiewaterhouse.com (Robbie Waterhouse) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 15:56:03 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] Don't make this mistake! In-Reply-To: <006701d679bc$9e9473f0$dbbd5bd0$@ozemail.com.au> References: <005901d673a9$a5005ce0$ef0116a0$@ozemail.com.au> <000001d678eb$d6f0a0b0$84d1e210$@bigpond.com> <002501d679af$c32296f0$4967c4d0$@robbiewaterhouse.com> <006701d679bc$9e9473f0$dbbd5bd0$@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: <00b601d679db$406d1e20$c1475a60$@robbiewaterhouse.com> I suspect it would be a plain plane for Jones From: Racing On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Monday, 24 August 2020 12:17 PM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: Re: [AusRace] Don't make this mistake! Rob, Unless there really is Heaven, Jones was right that death is "just stepping over into another plane", and that "plane" for them was Heaven. LBL From: Racing On Behalf Of Robbie Waterhouse Sent: Monday, 24 August 2020 10:45 AM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' > Subject: Re: [AusRace] Don't make this mistake! Dear KB, Not sure it worked out well for Jim Jones or his followers, despite the quotes charm! RW From: Racing > On Behalf Of Ken Blake Sent: Sunday, 23 August 2020 11:22 AM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' > Subject: Re: [AusRace] Don't make this mistake! Hey Len..good to see your still in battle mode with those who go by the misnomer of Bookmakers. It may surprise you,but some months back I opened 7 Corporate accounts to cash in on and arb weekly specials. As expected, 6 accounts closed me out of all future promotional events. Sportsbet is the only one left. So, I made about 2k over around 6 weeks..so satisfying given my contempt for that sector of wagering industry. All expected of course. I'm glad to see such wise expenditure too Len. "A man's gotta make at least one bet a day else he could be walking around lucky and never know it" - Jim Jones KB From: Racing > On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 4:46 PM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' > Subject: [AusRace] Don't make this mistake! Unibet had been more competitive of late, so I started betting with them, and they accepted reasonable amounts, all hours. Then today I made a withdrawal, and next time I looked, no odds were displayed for tomorrow's races. Checked today, and Kalgoorlie not displayed although Narromine 9, the only non-WA race left was. Looks like full MBL'd, without notification - so I'd advise leaving the money with them until they MBL you, so they still assume they will get it back. May be just a coincidence, but... Why bother with Corporates Ken? I have to have money to spend on wine, women and song. LBL -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From conceptracing at bigpond.com Mon Aug 24 16:49:29 2020 From: conceptracing at bigpond.com (Ken Blake) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 14:49:29 +0800 Subject: [AusRace] Don't make this mistake! In-Reply-To: <006701d679bc$9e9473f0$dbbd5bd0$@ozemail.com.au> References: <005901d673a9$a5005ce0$ef0116a0$@ozemail.com.au> <000001d678eb$d6f0a0b0$84d1e210$@bigpond.com> <002501d679af$c32296f0$4967c4d0$@robbiewaterhouse.com> <006701d679bc$9e9473f0$dbbd5bd0$@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: <000901d679e2$b7cd4060$2767c120$@bigpond.com> Well Rob, one could say they all achieved what they set out to do..so in that light. things did turn out well !!! From: Racing On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 10:17 AM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: Re: [AusRace] Don't make this mistake! Rob, Unless there really is Heaven, Jones was right that death is "just stepping over into another plane", and that "plane" for them was Heaven. LBL From: Racing On Behalf Of Robbie Waterhouse Sent: Monday, 24 August 2020 10:45 AM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' > Subject: Re: [AusRace] Don't make this mistake! Dear KB, Not sure it worked out well for Jim Jones or his followers, despite the quotes charm! RW From: Racing > On Behalf Of Ken Blake Sent: Sunday, 23 August 2020 11:22 AM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' > Subject: Re: [AusRace] Don't make this mistake! Hey Len..good to see your still in battle mode with those who go by the misnomer of Bookmakers. It may surprise you,but some months back I opened 7 Corporate accounts to cash in on and arb weekly specials. As expected, 6 accounts closed me out of all future promotional events. Sportsbet is the only one left. So, I made about 2k over around 6 weeks..so satisfying given my contempt for that sector of wagering industry. All expected of course. I'm glad to see such wise expenditure too Len. "A man's gotta make at least one bet a day else he could be walking around lucky and never know it" - Jim Jones KB From: Racing > On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 4:46 PM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' > Subject: [AusRace] Don't make this mistake! Unibet had been more competitive of late, so I started betting with them, and they accepted reasonable amounts, all hours. Then today I made a withdrawal, and next time I looked, no odds were displayed for tomorrow's races. Checked today, and Kalgoorlie not displayed although Narromine 9, the only non-WA race left was. Looks like full MBL'd, without notification - so I'd advise leaving the money with them until they MBL you, so they still assume they will get it back. May be just a coincidence, but... Why bother with Corporates Ken? I have to have money to spend on wine, women and song. LBL -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From seanmac4321 at gmail.com Fri Aug 28 06:05:33 2020 From: seanmac4321 at gmail.com (sean mclaren) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 06:05:33 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] Trouble with DynamicOdds exxcel sheet SmartData v2.05 -SORTED In-Reply-To: <002101d648e5$0006bac0$00143040$@ozemail.com.au> References: <002101d648e5$0006bac0$00143040$@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: hey Len any chance of sending me Scott 's email addy off list i have a minor problem ie. screen data is not showing up in data access area. cheers Sean On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 8:33 AM L.B.Loveday wrote: > Scott is very good at his job. > > > > From: Racing On Behalf Of Tony Moffat > Sent: Monday, 22 June 2020 21:15 PM > To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' > Subject: [AusRace] Trouble with DynamicOdds exxcel sheet SmartData v2.05 > -SORTED > > > > This program had been stalling at data line 200 (in effect the first 200 > races of the day) > > Their support staff sorted this for me today - quick as too and thanks to > them. > > > > 200 races! -actually if you filter out everything beginning after mid night > (USA say) then down into NZ the races number compounds pretty quickly. By > the time 200 rolls up it can be early afternoon WA time which is what had > been happening to me. After 200 lines/races the program refused to load > further data (96 columns permitted) and that was annoying. > > > > As stated Scott Gooley and staff at DO sorted it for me today - an advance > fix but it seems to be working a treat again now > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Tony > > > > From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday > Sent: Sunday, 21 June 2020 10:37 AM > To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' > > Subject: Re: [AusRace] The Editors Method - a system > > > > Tony, > > > > I have a bespoke download program that lets me select what races and fields > to download and an error trap that retries after a 30 second delay. > > > > On Saturday my hourly down-loads ran without a hitch during beer-time and > my > manually-instigated downloads of Sunday's races from 5pm on were fine > during > betting-time. > > > > LBL > > > > From: Racing On Behalf Of Tony Moffat > Sent: Sunday, 21 June 2020 11:06 AM > To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' < > racing at ausrace.com> > Subject: Re: [AusRace] The Editors Method - a system > > > > Len - Saturday the download permissions improved until Belmont race 4 - > this > was data sheet line 200 (1328784_04) then it jagged on that line for the > remainder of the day. > > This meant no data for MR8,MR9,SR9,BR9 etc. It is not a regular thing > > There seems to be a clutter of international races (Busan Korea eg), and > sure I acknowledge they have international readers/clients but perhaps they > could compartmentalise each country racing (or something) - I'm unlikely to > bet into Chile for instance, or Korea. > > > > I have emailed them > > > > Cheers > > Tony > > > > > > From: Racing [ > mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday > Sent: Sunday, 21 June 2020 3:37 AM > To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' < > racing at ausrace.com> > Subject: Re: [AusRace] The Editors Method - a system > > > > My last hourly auto-download of Saturday's details was at 23:23, my last > manually instigated download of Sunday's was at 20:47, with all 8 races > there, then at 00:20 my hourly auto-download switched to Sunday, with > Carnavron missing and it's still missing now I'm back on the job at 5:30. > > > > Here's a previous DO explanation for this recurring issue: > > > > *********** > > Hi Len, > > > > This occurs when TAB reload their upcoming day's racing schedule. > > > > They do it, for reasons only known to them, occasionally which always > causes > us a few headaches. > > > > Cheers, > > ********** > > > > They know the problem, they should fix it. > > > > From: Racing On Behalf Of Tony Moffat > Sent: Saturday, 20 June 2020 23:32 PM > To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' < > racing at ausrace.com> > Subject: Re: [AusRace] The Editors Method - a system > > > > LBL did a big exam of these rules for the Editors Method > > > > SUMMARY: 100K races sorted out to 20 000 with criteria that matched (top > rated only) resulted in 16% better strike rate, 7.5% better return at level > stake SP. > > > > Thanks for your endeavours Len. > > Cannot get DynamicOdds today - pages won't load past 1100 hours? So cannot > tease with todays results. > > > > Cheers > > > > Tony > > > > LBL wrote: > > It returned a slight loss at SP, but who takes SP? Average SP Market% is > running at 120%, average Top Final Price market from the 9 bookmakers I > monitor at 110% (117% and 108% for Syd, Mel, Bri metro). > > > > Average Top Fluctuation % = 111% (109% for Syd, Mel, Bri metro). > > > > No problem quoting. > > > > snipped > > _______________________________________________ > Racing mailing list > Racing at ausrace.com > http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From seanmac4321 at gmail.com Fri Aug 28 06:16:03 2020 From: seanmac4321 at gmail.com (sean mclaren) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 06:16:03 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] Trouble with DynamicOdds exxcel sheet SmartData v2.05 -SORTED In-Reply-To: References: <002101d648e5$0006bac0$00143040$@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: sorry Len Tony maybe the better person. cheers Sean On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 6:05 AM sean mclaren wrote: > hey Len > > any chance of sending me Scott 's email addy off list > > i have a minor problem ie. screen data is not showing up > in data access area. > > cheers > > > Sean > > On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 8:33 AM L.B.Loveday > wrote: > >> Scott is very good at his job. >> >> >> >> From: Racing On Behalf Of Tony Moffat >> Sent: Monday, 22 June 2020 21:15 PM >> To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' >> Subject: [AusRace] Trouble with DynamicOdds exxcel sheet SmartData v2.05 >> -SORTED >> >> >> >> This program had been stalling at data line 200 (in effect the first 200 >> races of the day) >> >> Their support staff sorted this for me today - quick as too and thanks to >> them. >> >> >> >> 200 races! -actually if you filter out everything beginning after mid >> night >> (USA say) then down into NZ the races number compounds pretty quickly. By >> the time 200 rolls up it can be early afternoon WA time which is what had >> been happening to me. After 200 lines/races the program refused to load >> further data (96 columns permitted) and that was annoying. >> >> >> >> As stated Scott Gooley and staff at DO sorted it for me today - an advance >> fix but it seems to be working a treat again now >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> Tony >> >> >> >> From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday >> Sent: Sunday, 21 June 2020 10:37 AM >> To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' > > >> Subject: Re: [AusRace] The Editors Method - a system >> >> >> >> Tony, >> >> >> >> I have a bespoke download program that lets me select what races and >> fields >> to download and an error trap that retries after a 30 second delay. >> >> >> >> On Saturday my hourly down-loads ran without a hitch during beer-time and >> my >> manually-instigated downloads of Sunday's races from 5pm on were fine >> during >> betting-time. >> >> >> >> LBL >> >> >> >> From: Racing On Behalf Of Tony Moffat >> Sent: Sunday, 21 June 2020 11:06 AM >> To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' < >> racing at ausrace.com> >> Subject: Re: [AusRace] The Editors Method - a system >> >> >> >> Len - Saturday the download permissions improved until Belmont race 4 - >> this >> was data sheet line 200 (1328784_04) then it jagged on that line for the >> remainder of the day. >> >> This meant no data for MR8,MR9,SR9,BR9 etc. It is not a regular thing >> >> There seems to be a clutter of international races (Busan Korea eg), and >> sure I acknowledge they have international readers/clients but perhaps >> they >> could compartmentalise each country racing (or something) - I'm unlikely >> to >> bet into Chile for instance, or Korea. >> >> >> >> I have emailed them >> >> >> >> Cheers >> >> Tony >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Racing [ >> mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday >> Sent: Sunday, 21 June 2020 3:37 AM >> To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' < >> racing at ausrace.com> >> Subject: Re: [AusRace] The Editors Method - a system >> >> >> >> My last hourly auto-download of Saturday's details was at 23:23, my last >> manually instigated download of Sunday's was at 20:47, with all 8 races >> there, then at 00:20 my hourly auto-download switched to Sunday, with >> Carnavron missing and it's still missing now I'm back on the job at 5:30. >> >> >> >> Here's a previous DO explanation for this recurring issue: >> >> >> >> *********** >> >> Hi Len, >> >> >> >> This occurs when TAB reload their upcoming day's racing schedule. >> >> >> >> They do it, for reasons only known to them, occasionally which always >> causes >> us a few headaches. >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> ********** >> >> >> >> They know the problem, they should fix it. >> >> >> >> From: Racing On Behalf Of Tony Moffat >> Sent: Saturday, 20 June 2020 23:32 PM >> To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' < >> racing at ausrace.com> >> Subject: Re: [AusRace] The Editors Method - a system >> >> >> >> LBL did a big exam of these rules for the Editors Method >> >> >> >> SUMMARY: 100K races sorted out to 20 000 with criteria that matched >> (top >> rated only) resulted in 16% better strike rate, 7.5% better return at >> level >> stake SP. >> >> >> >> Thanks for your endeavours Len. >> >> Cannot get DynamicOdds today - pages won't load past 1100 hours? So cannot >> tease with todays results. >> >> >> >> Cheers >> >> >> >> Tony >> >> >> >> LBL wrote: >> >> It returned a slight loss at SP, but who takes SP? Average SP Market% is >> running at 120%, average Top Final Price market from the 9 bookmakers I >> monitor at 110% (117% and 108% for Syd, Mel, Bri metro). >> >> >> >> Average Top Fluctuation % = 111% (109% for Syd, Mel, Bri metro). >> >> >> >> No problem quoting. >> >> >> >> snipped >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Racing mailing list >> Racing at ausrace.com >> http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tonymoffat at bigpond.com Fri Aug 28 12:37:18 2020 From: tonymoffat at bigpond.com (Tony Moffat) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 10:37:18 +0800 Subject: [AusRace] DynamicOdds Re: SmartData V2.05 the excel sheet In-Reply-To: References: <000001d67cd0$cfae8090$6f0b81b0$@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <006801d67ce4$26c794d0$7456be70$@bigpond.com> Sean There are 15 bookies listed on the Smartdata sheet ? 3 of these I download continuously (Unibet, Ladbrokes, B365) to review their prices ? I used to graph their movements (5 years or so ago though) ? a fair indicator (to me) of intent is to count the price changes (weird or what) but if (say) a 15.00 runner has had 30 or so ?hits? it may run better than its price indicates ? it may not win but it will crowd out a few other hopefuls and when a 15.00 hits in a quinella the dividend explodes (to invoke hyperbole a little) which often happens in one of the last four races everywhere! Presently Ladbrokes has had their prices up since 1210 Thursday (Vic time I guess) and in the Memsie at Caulfield, Regal Power has had 5 changes in that time ? it is being shopped it seems -14>17 (as at late yesterday) or perhaps the knob twirlers are keeping it attractive in comparison to other bookmaker boards (simply, you cannot know) and certainly its price is similar across all boards this morning. I would/will take Mr Quickie, Arcadia Queen and 10,11 as a leg in in that race based on the method mentioned. There is an auto refresh enable with intervals from 1 second incrementally to 10 minutes ? but why, each time you reload it refreshes of course. I don?t profess to being expert but have subbed for 6 or so years now. Cheers Tony From: sean mclaren [mailto:seanmac4321 at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 28 August 2020 9:32 AM To: Tony Moffat Subject: Re: DynamicOdds Re: SmartData V2.05 the excel sheet me again lol Tony , as you are the resident expert how would i go about getting lagged data. say bookies. opening quotes MLB time. saturday morning. on the hour from 10 am. last 10 min mark, 5,4,3,2,1, marks. cheers Sean On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 10:18 AM Tony Moffat > wrote: Sean ? howdy rowdy ? re your DO problem This is the info I have Cheers Tony From: Scott Gooley (DynamicOdds) [mailto:support at dynamicodds.zendesk.com ] Sent: Monday, 22 June 2020 7:29 AM To: Tonymoffat > Subject: DynamicOdds Re: SmartData V2.05 the excel sheet ##- Please type your reply above this line -## Your request (7308) has been updated. To add additional comments, reply to this email. Scott Gooley (DynamicOdds) Jun 22, 2020, 9:28 AM GMT+10 Morning Tony, Due to amount of races we now provide, Saturdays in particular, you can adjust the number of events listed within your Spreadsheet, via applying the steps below when you're next logged in. 1. Right Click on the ?Main? tab, select ?Unhide? and ?Settings? to include the Setting sheet. ? ? 2. Change $202 in cell 'B4' formula to $302 and save changes. ? Kind regards, Hakim (DynamicOdds) Jun 21, 2020, 1:02 PM GMT+10 Hey Tony, Thanks for getting in touch. I will have our team look at this and get back to you. Kind regards, Hakim Jun 21, 2020, 12:56 PM GMT+10 this sheet is not allowing me to access races past line 200 (1328784_04) which yesterday was Belmont race 4. I could not get download prices for Melbourne Race 8, 9, Sydney Race 9 etc. this happens when there are a lot of races Saturday For your information thanks Tony This email is a service from DynamicOdds. Delivered by Zendesk | Privacy Policy [PMZ5MO-EMVV] Virus-free. www.avg.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tonymoffat at bigpond.com Fri Aug 28 12:54:41 2020 From: tonymoffat at bigpond.com (Tony Moffat) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 10:54:41 +0800 Subject: [AusRace] Good Betting and Racing Guide (GBRG) - Malcolm Knowles - a system Message-ID: <000001d67ce6$94615f60$bd241e20$@bigpond.com> Tally Moyston 'I'm Backing These' - a system. Tally Moyston used to be on the internet as a provider of horse racing tips - FREE - on a daily basis, before scratchings and more often before midnight the night before, if that makes sense. He? ranked each runner on earnings, the best/most got a one. Days since last start - most recent runner also got a one, barrier scores seemed to correspond with barrier allocation - barrier one scored one, and last start finish position was also ranked - a win got a one , 2nd a 2. Then he multiplied these values together and obtained a final score for each runner. So a top earner 1 * most recent start 1* barrier 1* last start finish position 1 = 1*1*1*1 resulted in 1 -the value for that runner. Tally was on air for that couple of hours also, you could text him? about things racing, rugby, fishing, shooting, and he was a Brainiac when it came to systems (choosing your procedure when betting) and he knew a lot of them by name, actions, inclinations, machinations, results, and he stated that a few of them worked, or, worked often enough to stay in the black at least, and what was needed was a mild progression staking plan which he got with Malcolm Knowles Power of Ten, manual entry, and perhaps later with the software version. Knowles incorporated equations, and more, to determine bet size, divisor, trend analysis, 'nudging' and bet recording. Essentially once your strike rate is established, it is entered as a value then moderated as results arrive, and if you score less than the average the software determines that your betting would assume the average, and do so in quick time, and it was just these occasions that the bets could be maximized. Ok, I have left most of the method of working out of that explanation, but Tally had his 'mild progression staking plan' and he was rapt. Malcolm Knowles was with The Wizard first up and crunched, and tabulated, shedloads of data relating to racing, published his findings and wrote and published 11 books appertaining to the punt. He went off freelance and formed Inracing which had data scores similar to The Wiz. Malcolms son Tristian had a cancer episode whilst young and to support research and treatment of junior age cancer victims Malcolm wrote and published The Good Betting and Racing Guide (GBRG) under the auspices of the Royal Alexandra Hospital for Children. He raised a lot of money for them, and continued supporting Tristian with his Kids Cancer Foundation. The Foundation is now closed. Tristian has a successful business career and is a gun wheelchair basketball player, and is a representative for Australia in several Olympic Games. The GBRG uses ratings to sum to a final score for each runner. Malcolm has provided tables of calculations (rating values) for API, Barrier, Days since last start, and Barrier. The book contains voluminous tables for barriers in metro racing, field size, prize money distribution, days since last start, pre-post to starting price conversions, in fact most common data fields are covered. The various input data rows are summed for each runner. Only runners totalling 40 points or more are considered, races less than 2000m only, there are runner number restrictions also, . Eg a runner finishing 5th in Sydney has a rating value of 9, running 4th is 9.4, running 6th is 5.9... A runner whose last start was 15-21 days ago has a rating value of 8.5, 11-14 days = 9.2, 22-28 days =9.6 A runner starting in Barrier 5 at Canterbury has a rating value of 6.3, W.Farm - 11.5, R'hill - 10.4, Randwick 10.1 The derivatives of these ratings are not given, nor explained, but they would be stats based. Now Tally (remember him?) reckoned the GBRG was the best thing ever and changed over his ratings from his own arithmetic to that of GBRG until he had an epiphany it seems. If GBRG rankings were higher than his own rankings the associated runner was almost always going to place, and they won somewhat better than 66% (he said). Ok you had to wait for the race, it wasn't every race like, but at least you could do your homework the evening before, sometimes on Thursday for Saturday. Tally moved on from the final summed score in GBRG. He ranked his top five or more in each race, and ranked the GBRG top five also. If GBRG exceeded his score, and the runner was at least rated by both methods, this was the way to go. Tally is missing from the internet now, a Google search reveals nothing and the same goes for Malcolm and his Inracing. Cheers Tony -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com From seanmac4321 at gmail.com Fri Aug 28 13:06:17 2020 From: seanmac4321 at gmail.com (sean mclaren) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 13:06:17 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] DynamicOdds Re: SmartData V2.05 the excel sheet In-Reply-To: <006801d67ce4$26c794d0$7456be70$@bigpond.com> References: <000001d67cd0$cfae8090$6f0b81b0$@bigpond.com> <006801d67ce4$26c794d0$7456be70$@bigpond.com> Message-ID: Thanks for that. On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 12:37 PM Tony Moffat wrote: > Sean > > > > There are 15 bookies listed on the Smartdata sheet ? 3 of these I download > continuously (Unibet, Ladbrokes, B365) to review their prices ? I used to > graph their movements (5 years or so ago though) ? a fair indicator (to me) > of intent is to count the price changes (weird or what) but if (say) a > 15.00 runner has had 30 or so ?hits? it may run better than its price > indicates ? it may not win but it will crowd out a few other hopefuls and > when a 15.00 hits in a quinella the dividend explodes (to invoke hyperbole > a little) which often happens in one of the last four races everywhere! > > > > Presently Ladbrokes has had their prices up since 1210 Thursday (Vic time > I guess) and in the Memsie at Caulfield, Regal Power has had 5 changes in > that time ? it is being shopped it seems -14>17 (as at late yesterday) or > perhaps the knob twirlers are keeping it attractive in comparison to other > bookmaker boards (simply, you cannot know) and certainly its price is > similar across all boards this morning. I would/will take Mr Quickie, > Arcadia Queen and 10,11 as a leg in in that race based on the method > mentioned. > > > > There is an auto refresh enable with intervals from 1 second incrementally > to 10 minutes ? but why, each time you reload it refreshes of course. > > > > I don?t profess to being expert but have subbed for 6 or so years now. > > > > Cheers > > > > Tony > > *From:* sean mclaren [mailto:seanmac4321 at gmail.com] > *Sent:* Friday, 28 August 2020 9:32 AM > *To:* Tony Moffat > *Subject:* Re: DynamicOdds Re: SmartData V2.05 the excel sheet > > > > me again lol > > > > Tony , as you are the resident expert > > > > how would i go about getting lagged data. > > > > say bookies. > > > > opening quotes MLB time. > > > > saturday morning. on the hour from 10 am. > > > > last 10 min mark, 5,4,3,2,1, marks. > > > > cheers Sean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 10:18 AM Tony Moffat > wrote: > > Sean ? howdy rowdy ? re your DO problem > > > > This is the info I have > > > > Cheers > > > > Tony > > > > *From:* Scott Gooley (DynamicOdds) [mailto:support at dynamicodds.zendesk.com] > > *Sent:* Monday, 22 June 2020 7:29 AM > *To:* Tonymoffat > *Subject:* DynamicOdds Re: SmartData V2.05 the excel sheet > > > > ##- Please type your reply above this line -## > > Your request (7308) has been updated. To add additional comments, reply to > this email. > > *Scott Gooley* (DynamicOdds) > > Jun 22, 2020, 9:28 AM GMT+10 > > Morning Tony, > > Due to amount of races we now provide, Saturdays in particular, you can > adjust the number of events listed within your Spreadsheet, via applying > the steps below when you're next logged in. > > 1. Right Click on the ?Main? tab, select ?Unhide? and ?Settings? to > include the Setting sheet. > > > ? > > > > ? > > > > 2. Change $202 in cell 'B4' formula to $302 and save changes. > > > > ? > > > Kind regards, > > > > *Hakim* (DynamicOdds) > > Jun 21, 2020, 1:02 PM GMT+10 > > Hey Tony, > > Thanks for getting in touch. I will have our team look at this and get > back to you. > > Kind regards, > > Hakim > > > > Jun 21, 2020, 12:56 PM GMT+10 > > this sheet is not allowing me to access races past line 200 (1328784_04) > which yesterday was Belmont race 4. I could not get download prices for > Melbourne Race 8, 9, Sydney Race 9 etc. > this happens when there are a lot of races Saturday > For your information > thanks Tony > > This email is a service from DynamicOdds. Delivered by Zendesk > > | Privacy Policy > > > [PMZ5MO-EMVV] > > > > > > > Virus-free. www.avg.com > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From seanmac4321 at gmail.com Fri Aug 28 13:34:46 2020 From: seanmac4321 at gmail.com (sean mclaren) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 13:34:46 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] Good Betting and Racing Guide (GBRG) - Malcolm Knowles - a system In-Reply-To: <000001d67ce6$94615f60$bd241e20$@bigpond.com> References: <000001d67ce6$94615f60$bd241e20$@bigpond.com> Message-ID: hey tony modellers these days , in most spheres; don't mind following in the weather forecasters. they use ensembles ..... more than 1 forecaster; to arrive at a final forecast. a forecast with much more accuracy. there will be weightings of course etc etc. it's a simple concept. in racing a tipster's poll springs to mind. cheers sean etc; it's the On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 12:55 PM Tony Moffat wrote: > Tally Moyston 'I'm Backing These' - a system. > > Tally Moyston used to be on the internet as a provider of horse racing tips > - FREE - on a daily basis, before scratchings and more often before > midnight > the night before, if that makes sense. > > He? ranked each runner on earnings, the best/most got a one. Days since > last > start - most recent runner also got a one, barrier scores seemed to > correspond with barrier allocation - barrier one scored one, and last start > finish position was also ranked - a win got a one , 2nd a 2. > > Then he multiplied these values together and obtained a final score for > each > runner. So a top earner 1 * most recent start 1* barrier 1* last start > finish position 1 = 1*1*1*1 resulted in 1 -the value for that runner. > > Tally was on air for that couple of hours also, you could text him? about > things racing, rugby, fishing, shooting, and he was a Brainiac when it came > to systems (choosing your procedure when betting) and he knew a lot of them > by name, actions, inclinations, machinations, results, and he stated that a > few of them worked, or, worked often enough to stay in the black at least, > and what was needed was a mild progression staking plan which he got with > Malcolm Knowles Power of Ten, manual entry, and perhaps later with the > software version. Knowles incorporated equations, and more, to determine > bet > size, divisor, trend analysis, 'nudging' and bet recording. Essentially > once > your strike rate is established, it is entered as a value then moderated as > results arrive, and if you score less than the average the software > determines that your betting would assume the average, and do so in quick > time, and it was just these occasions that the bets could be maximized. Ok, > I have left most of the method of working out of that explanation, but > Tally > had his 'mild progression staking plan' and he was rapt. > > Malcolm Knowles was with The Wizard first up and crunched, and tabulated, > shedloads of data relating to racing, published his findings and wrote and > published 11 books appertaining to the punt. He went off freelance and > formed Inracing which had data scores similar to The Wiz. > > Malcolms son Tristian had a cancer episode whilst young and to support > research and treatment of junior age cancer victims Malcolm wrote and > published The Good Betting and Racing Guide (GBRG) under the auspices of > the > Royal Alexandra Hospital for Children. He raised a lot of money for them, > and continued supporting Tristian with his Kids Cancer Foundation. The > Foundation is now closed. Tristian has a successful business career and is > a > gun wheelchair basketball player, and is a representative for Australia in > several Olympic Games. > > The GBRG uses ratings to sum to a final score for each runner. Malcolm has > provided tables of calculations (rating values) for API, Barrier, Days > since > last start, and Barrier. The book contains voluminous tables for barriers > in > metro racing, field size, prize money distribution, days since last start, > pre-post to starting price conversions, in fact most common data fields are > covered. > > The various input data rows are summed for each runner. Only runners > totalling 40 points or more are considered, races less than 2000m only, > there are runner number restrictions also, . > Eg a runner finishing 5th in Sydney has a rating value of 9, running 4th is > 9.4, running 6th is 5.9... > A runner whose last start was 15-21 days ago has a rating value of 8.5, > 11-14 days = 9.2, 22-28 days =9.6 > A runner starting in Barrier 5 at Canterbury has a rating value of 6.3, > W.Farm - 11.5, R'hill - 10.4, Randwick 10.1 > The derivatives of these ratings are not given, nor explained, but they > would be stats based. > > Now Tally (remember him?) reckoned the GBRG was the best thing ever and > changed over his ratings from his own arithmetic to that of GBRG until he > had an epiphany it seems. If GBRG rankings were higher than his own > rankings > the associated runner was almost always going to place, and they won > somewhat better than 66% (he said). Ok you had to wait for the race, it > wasn't every race like, but at least you could do your homework the evening > before, sometimes on Thursday for Saturday. Tally moved on from the final > summed score in GBRG. He ranked his top five or more in each race, and > ranked the GBRG top five also. If GBRG exceeded his score, and the runner > was at least rated by both methods, this was the way to go. > > Tally is missing from the internet now, a Google search reveals nothing > and > the same goes for Malcolm and his Inracing. > > Cheers > > Tony > > > > > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Racing mailing list > Racing at ausrace.com > http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tonymoffat at bigpond.com Fri Aug 28 23:39:01 2020 From: tonymoffat at bigpond.com (Tony Moffat) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 21:39:01 +0800 Subject: [AusRace] The Cat in a Hat - a system Message-ID: <001b01d67d40$973ffb60$c5bff220$@bigpond.com> Marie was LLews wife, so the boss of us all then. On one occasion she dipped into prevalent culture, conversationally anyway, having ignored groovy, man, hip, boss, fab, choice and almost everything anchored in street talk back then. The one occasion was when she nominated a punter, a winner also, as The Cat in the Hat. He was male, wearing a hat, had won with us several times, and nobody I know had spoken to him, nothing, not a word. He tapped the board on the runner he wanted and showed his money, two notes and coins if his bet was more than 15, say 18, I called it, Llew handed him his ticket, he nodded and went off down the line. It takes all types, look at me for instance. So if you said Cat in the Hat in relation to a client you knew it was him as the subject. As far as I can tell he backed longer priced runners in the last 4 races. He was in the ring during the day, up to the fourth but usually unmoved as those races came and went. He wrote in a note book, and to me, that is the descriptor of a system devotee on a race course. A person writing, recording perhaps, the movements of prices both off the boards and on the blinking tote displays, one of which was an electro-mechanical device with displays that rotated noisily all day, like a scoreboard at the cricket, well that person drew attention to themselves. A studious punter is a thinking punter, heavens, isn't that an oxymoron, an adjective affecting a noun if ever there was one. Say the fourth race was due and The Cat started to fidget, you saw it, speedy glances up to the tote boards and long looks at the bookie boards, neck extended to get that little bit closer. If his picks, the long priced horses, were towards the bottom you could nearly pick which one he would be buying from us, provided the fielders allowed him on, and why would you not. What's wrong with putting folding on runners that 'good judges' have priced out in the 'boonies' (this is Kiwi English for outback). Good judges are an anathema (harsh) and there are dozens of him! The Cat would arrive at the stand, tap his selection and show his money, get called, accepted, issued and move on. Stewart was the nominee this day, LLew and Marie were at a Club lunch, and he saw The Cat approaching. Stew calculated which horse was ours to sell, and wound it in, right in, and we got bypassed, not even a second glance, a query, a raised eyebrow, a pause and a glance around to compare, nothing, just a quick march over to Judders to bet our horse with them, all the while their man looking over The Cat shoulder at me, as if to utter the 60's version of wtf, which was wtf after all. So, by subterfuge, we had information of what he was doing. Nasty, not really, it was meant to coerce The Cat into talking firstly, asking essentially wtf, and Stew would have given him another 5 points on its generally accepted, displayed, odds around the ring. Nothing. So, again we had his style of runner By extrapolation we gathered info on where he started his betting. This was determined to be runner numbers plus 3. 12 acceptors, look for runners over 15/1. This was moderated to be 15/1 no matter what. The Cat liked senior riders. Sure, he backed apprentice mounts but took these at top fluctuation, which is an ideal no matter who the 'hoop' may be. The Cat listened to the call, all that echo, noise from the stand in front of our ring, hooves on turf, whips cracking, and cheering but plainly did not leave his eyrie on the wall overlooking us all and often was first in the queue even though correct weight was pending he was standing there, writing, looking down, not interacting, not talking. That was it, his betting day was done if he backed a winner in his first chosen race, or second, or third. He was off and walking away on the grassy footpath towards the station, or tram or bus. I'm pretty sure I have his selection pattern, the four (or five) longest priced conveyances. His staking remains a mystery. It, the stake, wasn't based on percentages, dutching or betting to chances, it wasn't fixed, it wasn't 20 on everything, it is unknown. He had to back two winners every three weeks just to stay even. Lets do some calculations. First race, loss 86 over 4 runners, second race loss 83 over 4 runners, third race 5 runners, winner at 25/1 @ 19 win 494 less 86+83+87 =win 494 less 256 - profit 238. Essentially he has funded his next day on the punt, or the first three races of that to an extent. I believe my first contact with The Cat was at Moonee Valley, last race, when he was next at the stand and tapped/pointed to Bete Noire and I asked him how much, Sir, and told him 'sure', called the bet and LLew handed him the ticket, and I moved onto a long line of waiting punters. Bete Noire ran second at 50/1. He was in the ring next week or so when Koda Pen won 15/1 - he did not bet with us. He was there when Arlines Pet went 2nd, 66/1 and then Beer Street 2nd 25/1 - this may have been a loss for him, he would normally have left if his bet landed but he was still plonking it on the last, but not with us. He was there the next week and had Hodmandod with us in the last, 2nd 25/1 11 dollars (which may have been all he had actually because he dug deep for the 1). That same day Sandsequin 15/1,Opal Prince 33/1, were backed with others but both came 2nd. There was no sign of him for a few weeks. He was present at the stand for the first race, and backed Theddle 20/1 Stan Aitken which won. Marie congratulated him while paying out, nothing, no acknowledgement, just eyes down and two counts of the money, loud, so he had a voice. He was still there at the end and had Nemteir in the last with the group next door, 25/1 Stan Aitken. They, and us also, had stood the favourite for a bit so we had a result and they had one, perhaps less so. I was aware of him being around for a couple of meetings but not at our stand. In that time there were several long priced winners, and place getters although not that he went after those. On Caulfield Cup day, after the Cup, he was in our queue after Beer Street won. It was the wrong queue, we shared a payout spot with a group 3 stands up and it was their ticket 15/1. He came past later and said 'sorry' the first time there had been interaction. I turned to speak but he was off and gone, Marie smiled and shook her head. On Derby Day the last race was won by 125/1 Sudani (Sudami) and The Cat had backed Raad wih us. It was a good result. LLew asked Marie if anybody had backed anything of note and Marie mentioned Raad and Llew asked who backed that and Marie said 'The Cat in the Hat' - hey, it was funny back then. We didn't work Cup Day, there was a ballot for stands and we didn't tender. The firm had ceased before years end and I went travelling Cheers Tony -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com From tonymoffat at bigpond.com Sun Aug 30 00:42:41 2020 From: tonymoffat at bigpond.com (Tony Moffat) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 22:42:41 +0800 Subject: [AusRace] Mr Magoo* and the rise of the businessman punter - a system Message-ID: <001301d67e12$a698ef40$f3cacdc0$@bigpond.com> * not his real name Quincy Magoo lived near Stewart the actuarial scientist who worked with us on course. That's how he came to be on course often, he came with Stewart, but up to a point he never had a bet and when he did it was with the Tote. He was retired, perhaps wealthy, bald, short, short sighted, short tempered and asked aloud if punting could be done differently, better, businesslike. Over several weeks he divulged that he would discount form, ignore it, pay no attention to handicap weights, barriers, horse statistics, and presently (this was then) he was studying 'the jockey aspect'. To this end, the jockey angle, he computed a series of values for jockeys, based on their results up to this point in time. It wasn't a stat, a percentage of winners to runners, or places to rides, and his list of values showed Roy Higgins was in the upper echelon, between a money rider and those who should leave the industry, he said that. Higgins had a 50, lots of rides, lots of results, but the dividends were short because he was Higgs, and he was excluded as a result. I have seen Higgins come third at 25/1 and pay 2.25 (it should have been 7.25 off the sp) Paul Jarman had a 50, he had 11 win scores with runners over 9/1 Stan Aitken was an apprentice with a score of 44, 29 wins at odds with a respectable ROI Frank Reys, John Stocker, Eamon Byrne (jumps) Ray Setches were others. How he derived those scores I am unsure - it may be a ratio of all places opposed to wins. Certainly his jockey selections were those who could kick a long priced horse home, to the surprise of most I might add and they, the jocks, did not seem to have an affiliation with a stable. Quince followed his selections on paper, for weeks, months perhaps, and still came to the races to watch and record the results, who won what. His first bet was a win, Setches at 7/1 (8/1 with us) and $6.50 on the Tote. Quince was disgusted, he said that, and this highlighted an anomaly that he strove to remove, get the best price for your selections. His next bets lost. His third race was Byrne on a hurdler 5/1 and favorite, 5.70 on the Tote. His fourth race was a win, Byrne again on a steepler, $12.30 but 8/1 sp (when 12/1 was readily available with 90 seconds to go) He took a break for one or two races, which was timely for him and his 'jockey aspect'. He won the last with Reys 6/1 and backed 4 in that race. He said he thought he was in front on the day and later confirmed that he had won on the day. I went to Stewarts for tea that night and Quincy was elated, probably drunk also, and felt that he could apply his considerable business acumen to this 'betting business' it would be a viable. For once he was quite open in discussing what had occurred, outlays and returns, but not how he arrived at his jockey choices. It wasn't stats, winning percentages, because that was resulting the past, history he said. Next meeting he lost the first, down $30, and had three bets in the next, including Reys second at 66/1 (which has a place sp of $17.50 in a perfect world) $12.40 Tote. He wasn't quite disgusted because hhe felt the dividend was reasonable. That dividend may have been his only return for the day and his $124 return meant a loss whereas $175 was not, or minimal at most, if that makes sense. He continued for weeks on end. He added Allan Trevena to his list of chosen riders and he researched T and P J Finger as possible inclusions. He began to formulate clauses to exclude races, the first being that there were no bets in odds on races, when his jockeys were on one priced short. When Jarman and Setches dead heated at 5/1 and 33/1 he had to be educated by Stewart regarding half dividends, I joined the class as well - the 5/1 paid 1.25 and the 33/1 paid 8.45. Then, the same day Mallyon got two home at 8.70 and 8.50 and that pleased him no end I heard. He was in the throes of dropping Mallyon from his list, and including Brian Gilders who had brought a series of long priced runners into places up until this point. Gilders then got up at 50/1 next meeting ($109.90 tote) and I'm sure that would have swayed it. And on he went, certainly he was at the races when we were, betting with the Tote though and when Abdul (Jarman) won the Cox Plate 33/1 (26.90) you would assume he was on it, somehow. It may have been a good day actually -Trevena 40/1, Gilders 9/1, Setches 20/1, Mallyon 5/1, then Trevena 10/1, Gilders 20/1, Setches 3/1, Trevena 7/1, Trevena 10/1, Mallyon 33/1 place, Reys 8/1,Stocker 12/1, Jarman 7/1 etc. Each of those had two losses, and perhaps add another 30 losses and he is still way in front I'd reckon. There you have it, a punter who has rejected the constitutional thinking of winner finding and used a niche to make a go of it. He was always angry, which is not a criticism, just an observation. Cheers Tony -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com