From tonymoffat at bigpond.com  Tue Sep 10 17:30:06 2019
From: tonymoffat at bigpond.com (Tony Moffat)
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 15:30:06 +0800
Subject: [AusRace] Table of Deductions - follow up on equation sent earlier
 - still weird and illogical
Message-ID: <001601d567a9$926a9490$b73fbdb0$@bigpond.com>

https://www.tabtouch.com.au/TabContent/documents/pdf/win-place-scale-of-dedu
ctions.pdf

 

This is what I wanted you to see - not that mess I sent instead

 

The adjusted deductions are shown now - this makes the equation outdated.

 

Cheers

 

Tony

 

From: Tony Moffat [mailto:tonymoffat at bigpond.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2019 8:43 PM
To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' <racing at ausrace.com>
Subject: html Table of Deductions - follow up on equation sent earlier -
still weird and illogical

 


Odds

Win Deduction

Paying 3 Places

Paying 2 Places


1.05

0.75

0.3

0.44


1.06

0.75

0.3

0.44


1.07

0.75

0.3

0.44


1.08

0.75

0.3

0.44


1.09

0.75

0.3

0.44


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 

 

 

 



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From tonymoffat at bigpond.com  Sat Sep 14 12:47:36 2019
From: tonymoffat at bigpond.com (Tony Moffat)
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 10:47:36 +0800
Subject: [AusRace] A Day at the Races - pt 3
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Three times people died in front of me on course. It was nothing I did to
cause their demise and while I don't mean to belittle them or minorise what
they did it was getting a little worrying.

I was on course, but not working, when Baghdad Note won the Cup (25/1
-18.50) and I had this horse in the Caulfield Cup when it dead heated for
2nd, and had another as a saver, then took both in the Cup.

A couple of weeks later I started with Lew and Marie, on a Wednesday at
Sandown. I had worked with them all year at the trots but now they were
working both types, horses during the day in Melbourne and harness at night
in the country.

Our ring had 9 fielders and was out the back, under the trees and with a few
stalls off to the left and behind. There was always a horse incident, a
running away, a kicking, a biting or a frightening which is what happens
when an untethered horse wanders into the ring. It happened, more than once.
Once, it was stupid me that chose to hang on to orphan Ned until somebody
factored or figured it wasn't where it should be. It might have been that
orphan Ned realized her masters were on to her because formerly she had been
quietly watching the toing and froing, and refused to eat the offered 2
dollar note, then suddenly she reefed and tore and went backwards until she
contacted the fence, then she kicked that. A man, presumably related to its
ownership, took hold of the halter and proceeded to pull the horse forward,
just as the horse proceeded to pull itself backwards. The horse won. The man
went to hit the horse, and missed on the first swipe. Lew then kicked him up
the backside, as a way of informing, and enforcing, that is no way to treat
a lady and the man left, without the horse, and it returned to me, sombre
and seemingly content to keep watching, although not touching the offered 2
dollar greenie, still. 

The Clerk of the Course came and took the orphan off me and after the next
race the owner came to say thank you, for the dateing and also the
kinsmanship shown. She was a good performer, that orphan, and she threw a
couple of good performers over the next couple of years. She missed her race
that day, and never raced afterwards I believe.

Lew was specific with his instructions, which were good commonsense also,
bag closed always except when depositing, front on to the customer, then
turn open to call the bet, back amount first, then the runner name, then the
bet total, typically 'twenty dollars, Voleur, 100 to 20 , thank you, is that
correct' and don't call it if I don't have the money in hand, and confirm
with the client that I had it correctly for them. Sometimes, more often than
you would think, a client would ask for a quiet transaction, as in quietly
please, and in that circumstance I took the money and walked back to Stewart
and pointed to runner name on the sheet and stated the back amount. Lew
oversaw this and wrote the ticket and handed it to the client. If this
client was working the ring this was one way to keep the information quiet,
stop the stampede said someone, control the hysterium said Stewart, and I
think that is a quick growing fungus. Often, and nearly always, it was my
voice only, that is what you heard, then Lew with the ticket number, the
last two digits, and Stewart, or Marie, with the confirmation of the last
two digits. Lew would speak if you spoke to him, an opinion, a weather or
health query, and sometimes a call out to one and all to come and sample
what we had on display. The chain of command was me to Stu, then Lew to the
client. It takes 20 seconds between calling one, then calling the next, and
you would want to write out 80 so you had to get staccato at times,
otherwise you ran out of time, no matter that you could back yours with us
until they turned into the home straight. I started quickly, about 25
minutes out from the off, and within 10 or so transactions the stand became
a unit, I did this and that, Stu penciled, Lew wrote and wrote it all, name,
amount on, winnings, and returned the ticket to the client face down. I said
thank you to him, and straight away, went to the next client. There was no
order of precedence, if you were standing there and I addressed you, you
were the next. Only rarely was there a correction, or an attempt of a
correction as in I'm next, and they were, after the one now. There is no
queue, no standing in line to the right, no turnstile effect, nothing like
that. Perhaps there needs to be though. Plenty, may be 3 each race,
approached Lew and spoke directly to him, and the money came to me, it might
be several hundred, and I counted that in the confines of the bag, up to my
forearms in it and there are 8 compartments in a bag, three of which are for
field money, the larger opening for the hold, and I would count the offered
money into a spare compartment towards the rear, sorting the 10, 20, or the
fives and the ones, surprisingly rare. The 100 dollar could not come quick
enough (it was much later) and perhaps consider a 500 dollar note, for race
course use only for starters. 

Working the bag my first metro race was a hurdle, 13 running, with three
equal favorites at 4/1 and we could write them non-stop and did. Later Lew
said he had them at 10's in his notes. The winner was 125/1 and paid
$270.50, and no, he did not have that one factored in, it appears nobody
did. It was a skinner for us, most you would think. Next race was Higgins
and a favorite, always unders. The third race the odds on got rolled and we
held $40 on the winner. This really is like handing out cardboard for money.
The fourth race was a loss for us, a 5/1-11/2 winner, third favorite, and
Lew took a set against it.

Before the next race I was paying out, checking with Marie thoroughly,
methodically repeating number and payout, when the stand she was on became
the last resting place for an elderly gentleman. He sat holding his stomach
then lay down sideways and passed out, never said a word, never made a
sound. We had to stop, and move away, to continue, they want their money no
matter what, and Marie and me went to Dent and Co stand next door while
Punchy and Lew worked with this poor fellow. It took a while for the
ambulance to come to us and during that time we finished paying out. The
ambulance did come and they walked the remaining 20 feet up to us and did
what they do but nothing could help this bloke. The Police came and took
some details. Then they covered him up with a sheet and it looked like they
were going to leave him with us. They didn't leave him, they loaded him into
the ambulance and left. 

We missed the next race, wrote nothing, probably didn't put the names or
prices up even. We took some time for ourselves, and a mug of tea, nobody
spoke. The even money favorite romped in. The Police came and got us before
the next race and we didn't work that one either, we were typing a statement
in the administration office before, during and afterwards.

We were back on the stand for the next, a 5 furlong romp, Higgins again at
7/4 and Lew agreed with that. He was able to make a book and we seemed to be
square afterwards. It was the same in the last, Higgins again on the
favorite, Lew thought that was about right, and he was able to make a book
as well.

The race before, the race between Higgins winning,  was the welter and we
won that, wrote three tickets on the winner, and Lew backed two for the
book, the winner paid 11.30 and we had it at 8/1, although 10's were offered
next to us but he went to the tote, like always. Lew said it was overs, even
at that price, except a big plonk on the tote came through right on the
death.

The bag hold was counted each race, you knew you had 5 or 6 large up front,
and really it was just counting, after sorting, the 'frillies' which is
somebody unique way of saying single bank notes, in all it was done in less
than a minute and was correct, at least with me, every time although the
coin, stupid stuff and suitable only to be sworn at, was counted in 10
dollar increments and held in bags
I took time with the tidy up, all the notes around the same way, 10 to a
fold, 10 folds in a wad (apparently a North Island word), counted and
balanced it all except the coin of which I had $20 to start with and I must
have missed a mug of tea someone had. Lew checks the cash hold always then
retains a float or more often banks it on course and gets fresh notes from
the bank on the morning of the next working day. He keeps his personal
winnings, he, or Marie often, collects those and he is more often his usual
svelte self, light brown suit, bronze tie, shades and black shoes although
there has been days when I have seen him walking off the course with me like
a badly stuffed chaise lounge, with notes padding him all over. He takes a
taxi then, and I get the keys to the car, a Ford Galaxy, which is mine until
mid morning tomorrow.

The coin was an annoyance, can you tell, and Lew would accept a bet with
offered coin often only saying to me 'does it look like 10' and the client
would say yes it was and often I would get half of its quantity counted, and
could compare weights now and agreed. Often it wasn't though, typically 50c
short it seemed, and more than once it was 2, or more dollars down. Ok, it's
not going to break us but the owner of it, the coin, would have known,
surely, and just needed to get his bet on, again and often it was a Higgins
horse. The betting ring can be the home of the destitute and the despondent,
and that is before the race is run some times. Still, if they had bet with
us, in the good times let's call it, then they were welcome again, anytime,
and it wasn't encouraged, truthfully. Lew was agreeable to accept their
bets, them standing at the Tote while their stake was counted, twice, to be
20c down and knocked back was not what he wanted for them, and Marie might
chip in the needed 20c, to get that last dollar on at the Tote. In essence
$10 on the nose in most scenarios gets you round dollars back, except when
the odds get inside 15/4 say, 10 out 47.50 back and Lew would say 'write it
as 4's' if you asked, the client or me. For example 13/4 went to 7/2, 11/4
went 3/1, etc, and then the turns got tricky 15/8,7/4,13/8,11/8 went 6/4,
and thankfully his market rarely went into the realms of back fractions, I
mean what demented, loveless bastard thought up 10/9, needlessly complicated
and meant to keep brittle minds broken. Lew more often would keep the bet in
at the call amount then pay out up to a whole number so that 7/4 would be
called at 10 -27.50 and paid out at $30, all, and only it seemed, to avoid
me sooking about the jingling jangling coin handling. A stewards inquiry
would look at you askance if you said you gave your client an advantage, 2%
in this case, so it was better, easier, and correct to keep the book entries
pure, and spoil the client, and explain that to them too.

Twice I have been present when murderers were arrested, right there at our
stand, and ok, they weren't convicted yet but they pleaded guilty at the
first opportunity, both hoping that the full facts of their abhorrent crimes
would not be disclosed. I mean although you read the truth of the whole
episode in The Truth in subsequent editions, that was not the reason for its
existence, the form guide was that, right. Several times I have been present
when murder was contemplated,  when wives set upon their husbands with
weapons, although inadequate for the job at hand, which is the reason they
were not incarcerated it said. There was a female third party present each
time, terrified, and some of those physically damaged by the actions of the
betrothed. Again, and I don't mean to minimize the actions of the crooks
here, perhaps a garden fork was not the correct choice of weapon and then
don't throw it, guide it.. 

The second deceased was an older man who seemed to be drunk earlier, at
midday, he was seen by me, and everybody, to be using the wall for support
and had just been up to us for a bet but didn't seem to know what he wanted.
I asked him first, then said sir I have clients waiting, I'll get yours next
and served one, then a second, and perhaps up to a 7th or 8th but he was now
about in the third row back and did not bet with us. He looked normal, just
did not have the perambulation right it seemed. The race was run and he was
over on the wall and Punchy went to him, and was beaten by another from
another outfit, and while I worked I saw the Police come, then a chair, then
the ambulance, and it seems he died in there. He had been a regular in our
ring, a friend as a result.

The third person to pass away had just arrived back in Melbourne from flying
in from Europe. He was in a lot of pain in the chest while sitting on the
newer seats on the lawn area beside the grand stand. There was a lot of
people around him, medical and others, and I had $6000 in notes chained to
me, and could not divest myself of that to help him, probably by joining the
circle of persons already there, so my life went on there and then, and his
ended sadly. It was disclosed next week that he had suffered a blood clot,
and that was when I learnt of his travelling also.

There were the occasional fights, funny, sad, serious as they were, in fact,
the sad one was when two older men fell out over the race entry of a horse
and the grandson of one struck the other elderly male. I don't think it
would ever have resorted to a fight if the two seniors had been left to it
but stupid youth does stupid things, and the analogy was proven when the
stripling behaved as he did. It was right there, at the stand, at the
payout, and as the senior male was being paid out by me the stupid one
struck him to the side of the head, strode up from behind, said nothing, in
fact was never in the field of vision for the victim, and struck him as I
said. Again, Punchy was on hand and remonstrated with the coward, who went
to run, bad mistake because Punchy has been on tours with the Kangaroos, and
the young man was prevented from leaving and held and taken to the Police
post, the back door of that opens onto our area. The victim had a broken
jaw. We assisted the Police and I was going to Court as a witness except he
pleaded guilty at the last opportunity, and got fined. 

The serious one was when a younger woman, a mother, was assaulted by a group
of men she knew, over the indiscretions of her husband, who had run off.
Three men had slapped her, and others were queueing when the Police arrived,
and now the assailants began to run. One ran and jumped the decorative rail
of the featured garden and this rail broke and he broke his ankle. Another
was detained by stable staff, and a third turned himself in. The gang, for
that is what you are when you consort for a common illegal purpose, were
rounded up in a few days. The woman was ok. Nobody cared about the husband,
least of all his wife, the ex perhaps.

Funny, there are so many incidents classified as funny. One that sticks, as
I recall, was the demonic celebration of a group of winning owners to the
annoyance of others standing near them, owners of losers as they were
reminded by some in the first group, which may have been a mistake, in
protocol for starters as you are expected to be respectful winners, and
respectful losers by association although the rules of etiquette don't
mention that.  Anyway it festered, fizzed, bubbled and boiled for a few
races while the alcohol worked its magic and during the running of the sixth
some girls from one camp fought with others from the other and the
celebrations of an important race were delayed while the situation was
settled and the damage of war was repaired, a sponsors display, and stand,
had been destroyed. There is a photo of an older woman, in a mini, with her
undies showing, being unceremoniously upended by a male. She has a shoe of
hers in her hand. The sponsor product display forms a backdrop to all of
this, so much for a quiet drinkie poo. This was the time of the rise of the
party animal, the racing was secondary or less, and there was an implied
licence to conform to a code of behavior, none of it normal, nice, necessary
and perhaps only seen on course. I've rarely been drunk, my choice, and to
this day I don't believe some of those misbehavers were drunk, just
experiencing life on the party train for the first time, I'm here, so are
you, lets misbehave. So many I know, year long supporters of racing, stay
away at Carnivals, then and now.

Anyway, my race is coming up

Cheers

Tony


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From tonymoffat at bigpond.com  Tue Sep 17 19:37:09 2019
From: tonymoffat at bigpond.com (Tony Moffat)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 17:37:09 +0800
Subject: [AusRace] Percentage Power - calculators in racing series
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Percentage Power, or %^ as it appears in the text, came and went quickly. A
week or so, may be!

There was an ad for it in The Sporting Globe, and a photo, but for one issue
only perhaps.

The first issue was a hand held calculator, black with yellow keys that
accepted TAB prices (or bookmaker prices +1)
and was meant to be used in conjunction with the teletext screen displaying
the dividends. All dividends were entered.
Then a book percentage was determined, then you could remove runners (or
their dividends) to pare back the total
until you had your chosen runners covered. From that stage the backing stake
was increased  to 100% for the runners remaining
and you placed your bets at this point. Most dutching calculators work the
same way, and I have several of those.

%^ Version 2 was different. The physical calculator was replaced with a DOS
program on floppy disks and had a few more facilities built in.

The text book included explains that the book percentage past 100 (per cent)
represents the real price of the favorite. 

A book total of 121.7% indicates that the fav was priced out at 21.7%
(100/21.7 = 4.60) and therefore the remaining runners
were priced correctly because their percentage hold totaled 100% (now). The
favorite was  almost always some other price
than that indicated by the numbers beyond 100%. The text continues to refer
to this magical revelation, the price of the favorite determined
from the overflow past the 'natural' (100% they mean), although the overflow
does not figure much in the 10 scenarios discussed.

(i) Drop the favorite and back everything at the price provided. You'll get
the winner 80% of the time, says the text, which is different than
the fav winning 33% (and losing 66%) of races, long term.
(ii) Remove 'no hopers' and reserve their % allocation for application to
remaining runners. These are runners priced at and including less than 6%.
It says 6% but declares $15.00 (and more) runners as those to be excluded.
Close, I know, but they could be specific.
(iii) There is a back and save facility. Save on chosen runners, which is
reducing your outlay on them, and taking the savings (from the reductions)
and
adding that to the backing of those 'important' runners, those you can
expect to win for you.
(iv) There is an involved process using This and Next doubles, although this
method of betting had not been introduced (at the time of purchase) so you
had to be true to the cause, and re-invest returns from the first race onto
the chosen runners in the second race. I don't think so. This also involved
recording, writing down
the nominees in the second race.
(v) A parlay over 3 or more races. Single picks in up to 3 future races
using the pre-post prices with an equation to assist in determing the
eventual price of your runner in
some future race. Even money (1/1) in four races required you to have a
payout exceeding $21, the mathematical calculated dividend needed. Those
same even money chances
have the likelihood of 3/1 off two successes, 7/4 from one, 11/4 from 3,
with a non-dividend of 11/1. It was this aspect, and some others, that was
confusing, and only some of it is mathematically correct.
(vi) You could target your returns on any runner, win a specific percentage
on any selection saluting, default was 7.5% although the subject in the book
deals with the overflow % divided by the number of selections - so 21.7
divided by 7 runners allows you an over of 3.1%, for instance.
(vii>x) for later discussion perhaps.

There is a calculator program in-built to predict a future price of your
selection using the Tab and Bookmaker price, using the APN feed (then) so
that a runner in the range 4.50-9.00 may have a future price of (TAB +
Bookmaker *2) divided by 3. This facility is not mentioned in the text book.

There is a quinella calculation step, not related to any published equation
though, and simply $a * $b with calculated returns over $20 divided by 2,
over $30 divided by three, $40/4,$50/5, essentially keeping the calculated
returns in the $10 band, then stating that this will help with getting 'the
overs' in this form of betting.

The sellers made no claims of winning a fortune with this except it was 'an
assistance to the gambler' and a 
worthwhile addition to the gamblers 'arsenal'. 

It came and went pretty quickly, no wonder. 'Power' features often in the
naming of a betting product, either a system, a plan, a method, or what this
is.

Cheers

Tony



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From tonymoffat at bigpond.com  Tue Sep 17 22:37:52 2019
From: tonymoffat at bigpond.com (Tony Moffat)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 20:37:52 +0800
Subject: [AusRace] PicWiz - calculators in racing series
Message-ID: <000b01d56d54$b97216c0$2c564440$@bigpond.com>

The Wizard Fomguide, and principally Malcolm Knowles promoted PicWiz.

It was found, felt, that 100 pointers formwise could be strengthened if
other matters in addition to their form score could be used.

It started with the race, choosing the right ones -maidens, 2 year olds, 3
year olds (with reservations), jumpers, and any race where contestant
do not have a minimum of 20% win strike rate - all of those generally were
excluded. So choose your race was the first rule

If the going was rain affected, forget it, do something else.

So you have selected a likely race, then consider only those runners above
or equal to a rating point. There is a discussion in the text supplied
that runners with a weight rating of 90 and above are the leaders. This is
something like 27.5% of all runners, and they win 51.5% of all races
considered.
Choose your base run raters was the second rule

The program, a DOS application on floppy disks, asks for runners with a
weight rating score of 70 and above. It will accept all scores but applies
penalties if
Runners do not have other factors to support them.

Each runner had information entered for it - last start finish position,
strike rate, prizemoney and other data unique to it. Each of these scores
attracted a bonus or penalty
to the base run rating of that particular runner. Knowles maintains that
place strike and prizemoney ranked, and combined, are two of the strongest
pointers to finding the
likely winners in a race.

After selecting your race, and deciding on the runners to include the
program requires some identity to be entered for the race , date, distance,
location.

Then enter the horse data, the name, its weight rating score, and other
information requested, last start position, prizemoney, strike rate,
consensus points, and time rating.
The program goes off to sort and compare runner with runner from the
information provided and returns with an adjusted final weight rating score
after bonus, and penalties, are
applied from tables built in to the program.

 The top two, those with the biggest numbers, are those worthy of further
consideration, if their scores are improved from their base runs. This is
not in the text, this information, but the 
discussion group associated with the program has advised that this is the
way to go. That same discussion group regularly reported on big wins from
quadrellas, trifectas etc.

The program has a final feature, an adjustment of the bet amount, determined
from a convoluted method and not revealed here, but the adjustment centres
around the number of bonus
Or penalties that a considered runner receives. For instance, when the field
size is 10 or less, when the adjusted weight rating on the best runner is 11
points higher than the next, or second considered runner, or if the average
original weight rating of the first 5 runners is 90 or less.
In other words, if your runner has two reward factors, increase your bet.

Conversely, if this race has 16 or more running, the adjusted weight rating
is within 3 of the next, 2nd runner, if the average original rating for the
top 5 is 91 or more. These runners are risky.

Data for the PicWiz is still available from The Wizard

Malcolm Knowles and Inracing ceased operation in December 2013. He was still
including PicWiz prices in his data until the end.

Cheers

Tony





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From tonymoffat at bigpond.com  Wed Sep 18 14:28:49 2019
From: tonymoffat at bigpond.com (Tony Moffat)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2019 12:28:49 +0800
Subject: [AusRace] After prawns - Darts and the Jesuit
Message-ID: <000901d56dd9$931ba150$b952e3f0$@bigpond.com>

There are 10 pages of typewriting here and not a horse, horserace or betting
anecdote in any of it.
It was good typing it while it rained today and now the woodshed beckons
Cheers

Tony

When I was 11 Dad got promoted and moved to a new town, a territory to him,
and I went to the catholic primary school. It was small, and packed with
children,
there were 57 in one room, three classes, 9 in the form after mine, 19 in
mine
and the rest in the form before, fecundity or what.  It went to high school,
Leaving,
but changes were coming, years 11 and 12, science outside the scriptures,
and really
the numbers thinned noticeably as the forms progressed, nobody did the
Leaving
for the two years I was there. The natural curve was to transfer to the
central school,
the pagan public school system, and a lot did that, me included, but in a
year or more.

There were 54 of us during this week of sporting how-to revelation. 3 did
not
attend, but I saw them under the sale yard bridge, yabbying, and two of
those never
returned. 

There was a priest who taught us, for a week or so, about sports and the
dynamics of running and throwing, falling, jumping, catching, and hitting
a ball, and kicking the thing too. That was great, those lessons, and we,
the whole room took them, although there were no course notes, no
text book, no references, just the words of a studious man to listen to.

I have always thought that the cut shot in cricket defies the laws of
physics, then what would I know, I have never played a cut shot, but we
got to see one, in slow motion, in the class room and after school we got
to see the shot again and again, I don't think the priest understood how
interested we were and had become.

 His explanation of the physics of the games, a lot of them, were
fascinating and I have not seen or read about it since. He was unafraid to
involve Newton, the gravity guy, in his explanations and demonstrations.
Funnily, I tackled him 4 times, you know, ran with him then ducked in and
took his legs out, so they wouldn't work, wouldn't support him, and all
the while he talked and explained the dynamics in that.

 I don't mean to rant, but it was interesting. I could use the information
from
him in a presentation for a school bursary, a scholarship, in a few years, I
did too,
wrote, then spoke when selected for it, almost word for word what that
priest said about the tackle, the dynamics in a front on tackle, my weight
against yours, speed and energy, and the transference of energy through
mass at speed.

 I stood at the judges desk, those deciding if I got the bursary, and used
a writing pad as a playing field, a whistle as me, a Parker pen as the
opposing player,
a bottle of ink as the opposition team, and a wooden ruler as our advancing,
slanted
line, and explained that if the 5/8th stood a little wider, with a break
away a little closer,
the attacking team had 5, or 9 more options to generate a move, provided the
front rowers
caught the pass. I smiled at this point, but nobody else did, they being all
forwards I reckoned, and
I did not mention their inabilities again. I was tested on scenarios, which
seemed to become
an endless question of what, and how, and I got the point across that it was
me, us, that had to
stand, retain, and deliver the ball to enable a maul to continue on up the
field. In my case, as answers, 
I just maintained a drone of tackle, tackle, tackle, pretty much what I did
in a game anyway, stop the ball, stop the ball carrier.

This may have won it for me, that scholarship, which is formalized by the
passing of a medal, in a case, from the chair person to me.
He dropped it, that case, really he made a charade of that, looked at me and
laughed. Not me though.

But the field demonstration with the Priest went on for several days.
 I got him front on as well as tackling from behind, all the while he was
commentating on what he was doing, what was happening between him and I,
the energy transference taking place, and up to this point I just figured
that stopping the legs was stopping the runner. 

The  running of the lines was always going to be interesting.

He explained that for every sideways step you lose half a step up field.
 At training and in the game I was tasked to make 9 yard gains, repeatedly,
and knowing what he said I am
pretty sure I always ran straight, ran at the other team, often, with that
count in my head 8, 9,10,11,12 as each foot fall occurred knowing, hoping
I had the 9 needed to fulfil my job. It is true that I counted out aloud,
as an energy focusing prompt more often, when in possession of the footy
so that I got called 'The Count', and that was a sledge, terrifying.
Actually you
don't get called lots of names in schoolboy rugby.

LLike a tennis player in the modern era who used his
hand pointed like a cobra to focus himself, I said numbers for the same
end.

That cricket lesson, the late cut, the French, the drive, the pull, got
repeated and really got a lot of us interested in the game. I thought it
was just put bat on ball and ignore the bullying, and there is a bit of
it, even at school level. In effect, I didn't get to play the cut, before,
or at any time, never tried it really, and I played so little cricket I
perhaps was never going to do anything else other than slog the ball, in
line with the pitch, or across the line, anticipating the bounce and
swotting the pill way out there.

David, in my class, was so energized by the words and actions of the
Priest that he became a good batter, and played senior cricket although this
was several years from now, and went
several innings without getting bowled, or out any other way. David was so
deliberate with his actions, lunging forward, moving his feet, seeing the
ball for a long time before the bounce and the take after that. It is said
he went 6 innings and was not dismissed. The score line was good, not
extraordinary, but better because he was 14 years of age at this stage and
playing
strokes all over the place. He went away to school, on a cricket
scholarship, and continued his good practice and reasonable scores there
as well. He became a student, a medical type situation, and study there
interfered with playing cricket here. I'm not sure how he got on in later
life, in other teams. He was often two or more paces in front of his
crease, down the pitch, then some balls he stayed put, the bowler was
perplexed, and then he changed his grip on the bat, top hand became bottom
hand and in the time between the ball leaving the bowlers hand and the
ball arriving where he was he had gone from off to on, changed legs,
cricketspeakwise,
and belted the hated thing out through covers, out where there was nobody
for a fair way. He stood facing the bowler too, not side on, golfer like,
and had no back lift, he seemed cocked and ready with the bat back.

A young teen can hear, and learn, all the swear words ever required in an
afternoon of playing cricket well.

 He was short on sixes, never had
many 4's, and ran everything else, to the chagrin of his partner in the
center, never opened the batting, that was pre-ordained as the son of the
President or something, and came in at 4 or 5 in the order and really ran
out of partners, the tail did not wag much. Did he get a century? He says
so then he said he didn't know. He got out this once when he hooked a ball
into a fielders armpit, caught, and anyway, they said, they removed the
bail while he tended to the afflicted fielder, and left the field with
him, caught, and stumped. His Captain, some of the fielders, and the
President asked for an adjournment, there was a brief discussion and
agreement
 and he was re-instated, in the
interest of fair play. In the interlude, the several minutes of all of
this, David had packed up and was leaving, or had left. 
Back to swotting the books, he said. He had been caught, solid, he reckoned
and had other things to do now.

David got to be the Association best player, off his batting mainly, he was
a
so-so bowler, he just had a few ends so the quicks could get off and have a
smoke really
and his fielding was enthusiastic,  and in the context of the team,
stunningly athletic.
He never won an award for the Club, although as  I said he was demonstrably
their best
player if runs made and bowling averages and fielding dexterity are the
scores to determine
this. No, that son of the President got it, for breaking a cycle of ducks, 5
consecutive, and
really just set the field for a hook, then feed him, is all it took. Another
got it after returning
from surgery, but died from that before the presentation dinner, and still
David came third for the year
although the winner was worthy, he had played 5 games and painted the
grandstand in his retirement,
it was Newtown blue though, and strangely looked the same color as the
railway station roof, where he had worked, painted mostly.

Let me tell you some more, and there is a lot, about the Jesuit.

At the football ground club room, in the grand stand,  there is a dart
board,
and two darts, and I think the current correct procedure was to bring your
darts if darts are to be utilised, otherwise throw those two darts at the
board, in the general direction of the board, or at least at the wall on
which the board resides, then shout and yowl when one of your darts,
un-aimed, encounters a triple something, a double of something else, or a
bull, and maintain that is what you were aiming for, just that. Nobody in
their right mind would occupy the bench seat below, or within 12 feet of
that board, this was a no-go zone socially, and solely on the fact that
those two darts, one of them, might land in your eyeball, with a shouted
assertion from the thrower that, no, he wasn't aiming there.

I haven't played a lot of darts, but my acquaintance, the Jesuit Priest,
appears to have graduated, with dishonor, from the School of Darts,
wherever that may be. I think those Jesuits recruited their men from those
in the real world, drinkers, smokers, soldiers, sailors, bombardiers, powder
monkeys,
 anywhere other than the normal run of entry to the law of the
cloth, a latin tuition and work on Sunday mostly.

This priest knew darts, knew a lot about a lot actually,  most un-priestly
in that aspect. 

 When, or if, you look at a dartboard you see the 20 segment on top,
either side there is 5 left, and 1 right, and outside these are 12 on the
left and 18 on the right. If you throw your three darts, and you are
average you may get a 20 with one, and likely a 5 or one with the other,
the third dart is iffy, if you aimed at the bull you at least increased
the possibility of hitting the board, within the metal ringed scoring area
and likely a one or 5, again. Summing that, and to maximise or promote
your scoring ability, you might have a 20 plus a 5 plus a five which
equals 30, and you take your thirty off your score, which commences at 501
ordinarily.

It is a weird anomaly occasionally seen around a dart board, that
subtracting after summing your score.

Players who are dunces, in maths mainly, but you are a dunce really if you
fail the
lot, but maths idiots have an inate ability to multiply, add and subtract
their dart scores, way above and over their demonstrated activity, ability,
in the
class room. People, boys, men, who can't add two numbers in a class, are now
capable of summing the product of triple 20, triple 5 and a 16. The
summing is the hard part, the easier part is tripling, and the easiest of
all is subtracting that score from your previous score, then getting it
correct and announcing it right..

Forget the maths text, and teaching, let's play darts at school, you are
going to learn stuff real fast. Then strangely, or weirdly as I said before,
 the same class room maths avoiders will work out, in their head,
subconsciously,
 that a triple 14, a 6 and a double 5 will win them
 the game and can hardly wait for their turn at darts. Any one of them are
genius at that, and continue to be even though their darts are awry, they
can adjust and re-calculate their requirement mid turn. It's amazing, truly.

So, back to the board, you are standing there with your first dart of your
turn and looking at 20, double 20 if within the metal fence at the top,
triple 20 if in the metal segment, half way down, and narrowing.
Professionals, those who are old enough to dart and drink I mean, may have
the expertise to triple 20, to the dart persons poem of 180, but you don't
and nor will you until you are in your 40's and play 9 games twice a week
until you reach that milestone. The dart leaves your hand flat but falls
after that, it appears as a parabola, it may be that too but at the end of
its flight the dart tip is angling down to a lesser or greater extent than
when it left you and your paw. It is better, way better, for the dart tip
to be heading to a portion of the board that is expanding, in width for
starters, to counter any off target impulse you gave the dart shaft at its
release. With this information you should aim at 19, bottom left, about
7.00pm if that helps non-dart savvy people, and there are a few of us. The
19
segment has as its borders the 3 and 7, and outside them is 16 on the
left and 17 on the right. Immediately you can see that your scoring will
be enhanced, if your aim isn't, say you got the  19, plus a 7 plus a
seven, using the your scoring ability as discussed elsewhere. You now have
a score of 33. Only 33, only 3 better, but that matters, and that matters
a lot as the game progresses. Importantly your dart is falling into the
expanding segment, the slice is widening as it runs from the bull to the
outer ring and with your dart tip angled as it is you would hope that your
aim would improve. It does, it may, it should, it might.

There was a discussion, him to me, about the actions of the wings, the
feathers
on the end of the dart away from the tip, to clarify. They were there to
stabilize
and balance the weight of the dart proper. Its centre of gravity is about
where
you grasp it, perhaps a little forward, and the feathers provide down force
firstly,
counter balancing the gravity of the tip end. Your point of aiming on the
board is
a little, a lot for some, above your line of sight, the apogee of flight I
called it, wrongly.
When the dart leaves your hand its flight is governed by its weight and the
impetus you
gave it, it's directional path is obviously imparted by you, the feathers
ensure it stays
on the narrow and straight and it should not turn, spin, because that undoes
some of the
action of the feathers. There is more, lots of it, about the parallax effect
for starters, about
the dart flight properties when it is better, aimly, for the dart to be
moving sideways as well
as forwards, how releasing a little back from the line is beneficial for
those of us, nearly all
of us, who stand open to the board, and for the others who turn side on,
close over, there is a trick or three to help them too.

 He was a bombardier and he knew stuff.

Your normal strategy, at the start, was to think and go for triple 20. But
you don't have the expertise for that, 2 games a week for 25 years is what
I was told was the minimum training required to logically think you could
get there, or that, by design. Instead the 19 play is where you are right
now, abilitywise, and missing the 20 segment, as expected let's face it,
puts your dart in the low scoring 5 or one zone. Players with skill, and
thinking they can place their dart two thirds of the time, are still
better in the 19 segment, a triple, a double or a single with one of those
two is still geographically easier with the falling tip, the expanding
segment, the ability level of you in actuality. The tip is likely to
encounter the metal enclosure of a double or triple with it falling off
and in any event the largest, widest then, segment is still available to
snag your dart and a 57 is more likely than a double in the 20 segment.

Truly awful darters, me and my mates, should aim for the bull probably
because this increases our chances of (a)hitting the board , (b) accruing
a score, promoting yourself as a dead eye when, not if, it happens. The
next level along, still awful but better, should try for the 14 segment
and the numbers around that, as the average score arising is perhaps
better, by a little than elsewhere, or the 16 segment for much the same
reasons. 

Your best average is 19, you can nearly be assured of averaging that with
three darts, and missing the 19 of course. The 'average' double on the board
is 21, double 1 is 2, double 2 is 4 type of thing. The 'average' treble is
31.5. The double area occupies about 10% of the board area and there is a
no go zone outside that, no score is possible there and this has to be a
factor. The treble area is about 5% of the  total board area with the
added advantage of the metal fence able to correct and direct your dart to
the inside, or the outside and outside scores points no matter where. The
average single point score is 10.5 and there are strategies available to
harness those scores of 11 or more which is advantageous to your game plan
and your now exposed and somewhat inability to get that damn dart to
behave as you want.

The dart board big numbers are always between smaller numbers, in a
sequence. Trying for a 20 and getting a one means a difference of 19, a
tragedy, and your game strategy should always be to avoid these and those
disparities. Utilising 19, 16, 14 or a number greater than 10.5 will help
you there.

All of this from a catholic priest while driving home after serving mass
at an outlying village, there were 11 parishioners, and a friendly dog and
some chirping crickets, and him and me in his Valiant. Fascinating bloke,
a man of the world, who came to the priesthood late, after the Royal Air
Force 
and via Hungary where he had been a tractor mechanic .

 Mum said later he had a struggle to get a frock because he had a child or
children. Even more fascinating.

The priest continued with a strategy for ending the game, you must end on
a double, as in you have 22 points left, a double eleven wins it, you hit
14, you have 8 points lefts, a double 4 wins it, you hit 4, you have 4
points left, a double 2 wins it and you do it with the throw of your third
dart. If you don't peg out, all that happens mostly is a challenge for a
new game. Let the other player throw first, give yourself something to
beat, other than yourself. But back to the end of the game, it is
important to stay live, that's what he said, don't bust with any of your
darts, just score with all of them, reducing you required 'get' all the
time, make every dart count, or actually, deduct, from your holding total.
The goal is always score more than 40 with each row of three, this will
take you further towards a winning completion than the other average
thrower, which has been scored out over thousands of games as 29 point
something, three darts aggregating 29 points is the average that the
average player scores, and you are average but scoring 40, by pre
planning, and if in a game of 8 rows (throws of three he means) your
opponent is lodged somewhere near 230 points, and you are a minimum of 88
points in advance of him or her, just by scoring in the 19 segment for
starters. Once your score reduces to less than 100 you can strategise even
more with single 16's or 14's and even the easy hit singles, 9 or less,
will allow you to double down quickly to zero and a win. All the while you
are mentally calculating your remainder, trebling and subtracting,
doubling and the same, and the easier single deduction and who can't take
9 or something less away from a number. You are too dangerous for darts if
you can't deduct, multiply, add and divide as required, meaning you are
too young if you haven't got those skills yet. Darts will sharpen your
mental acuity. There you have it, a lesson in life.

At that time we, my parents and me, don't have a dart board, but the Club
does, it has
several roads or tracks leading from a line on the floor towards the wall
with the
board at the required height, I'll find that out for you, and illuminated
with a shadowless and bright large capacity globe shielded by a strong
metal hood sitting on the end of a flexible stem. Strangely, the hood has
dents in it, presumably from the errant, ill-aimed, or more likely, the
disgusted throwing of remaining darts from a player who went bust, and
it's not their fault.

 He and I, the priest and me, had curried prawns for tea, a popular
delight even though it is 470 miles from the ocean here, and he had a
brandy and I had a tonic and my dart tuition started and went for several
hours. My shoulder, the left because I am left shouldered, was feeling it
and I got beat by a better player on the night, that's all. He, the
priest, did the triple 20 (one 'undred and eigh  tee) but mostly me and
him concentrated on the 19 quadrant and even in this shortened lesson it
was obvious to me that my score was enhanced as a result, I had no prior
competition to compare it to, it just seemed to me that the numbers
accumulated.

 It was up to me to mentally score each of us, his doubles, trebles and 19
and my single spot 19 and occasional 17, because of the aiming inability I
brought to the line. There is a mental workout in this sport, I told you
about that earlier, aggregating, deducting, formulating a double down
towards a finish. Mum was playing cards, and Dad was counting money and I
was playing darts with a disciple of God, you'd have to lose, right. He
thought it was funny, and even more, he was glad nobody had approached him
for a blessing, themselves, or their cards, or the skinny they had for the
pokies. Chrissy was going to come to tea but didn't when darts were
mentioned, no thank q she said, she said q too.

 Me, at 13, being in the club was permitted for the purpose of a meal, and
then staying for recreation is allowed, although not by the licensing
laws. Kids, people my age, play carpet bowls, ping pong, do craft, watch
drama, watch pictures, all under the roof, with air conditioning, although
essentially they may be on or in licensed premises. There are no bars, no
poker machines, no other adults really in the area, the dart boards occupy
the wall which forms the back drop to the beer room and there is no access
from where I was to a beer area direct. Why am I going to great lengths to
defend my presence in a beer hall building, well, because the priest
thought it unnecessary to walk out the side door, along the footpath, and
in through the front door, past the entry and welcome area, down a hall,
through a room full of poker machines to reach a bar where he could buy a
drink of alcohol, then reverse the walk of shame to get back for his turn
at darts, and in the meantime I told him I had hit one 'undred and
eight-ee and what, you don't believe me and when I replayed my go I got 7,
a five and one, although nearly a double one on the last of three
darts, so it was feasible. He mumbled something about confession, and I
saw the funny side of that.

Towards the end of his tenure in town we began to talk techniques of
snooker and billiards.

 It never progressed beyond talk though, there was a billiard table at the
Club, there may have been more than one, but that table seemed to be the
private ownership of  group of men who had the sole rights to its use, and
if one of us juniors so much as removed the cloth covering it when it was
not being played well this led to words and re-crimination and they were
welcome to it, truly.

 I have played pool in the pub and that has no bearing to anything on the
big table, with its size and angles and drift and bounce, kiss and push,
jump and cringe.

Friend Bracer grandparents had a full sized table and it stood in the garage
for
a few years when that side of their house was modified, I think repaired,
certainly painted and then they decided to re-furbish the table. It might
have been based on stone, polished flat I was told, it started pretty flat
and even and was improved from that. The wooden exposure pieces were
French polished and the cloth, the baize, the green and grey was renewed.
Bracer said his Granny bought that cloth, heavy wound stuff it was
when she was in the UK burying her sister and it was sold to her as the
right stuff, but it wasn't,  it was too thin or the wrong weave and there
was 70 pounds lost right there. But the shop who sold it to her heard about
that, from the other side of the world and wrote to her, Granny, and
replaced it with the right cloth, best billiards good feeling story ever
that one. It might have been expensive. All of this was done when the
table was moved back inside, through the wall of the garage and into the
room especially for it. There were lights down low, bright lights, and
pool cue racks and a scoring bar with moveable things that allowed you to
score, and cheat, and a wide space all around the edge, it was a big room.
I saw it finished whilst staying nearby and it looked pretty
business-like. It has been told to me since that the flooring cracked and
broke under one corner leg and the table was left suspended over the abyss
for a while until the builder returned to repair everything. The floor was
inadequate I believe, not strong to hold the table which is reported to
hold several tons of rock, wood, cloth and polish. I have never played it,
nor has Bracer as he is not allowed and when he  saw it last it was waiting
to
be repaired and was the repository for books, magazines and clothes
awaiting ironing, and that green baize, the first lot, folded and waiting
on a new use somewhere I imagine.

The priest's time in town came to an end. He wasn't sure where he would be
in the next week, he didn't care much either, every where he went I bet
there would be people who would be amazed and happy that this new father
was not going to preach to or at them, not do the hard or loud talking to
keep them on the religious straight and narrow. He was a hippie by any
definition, truly, except his white collar gave him away, that and his
tailored suit and long pointed shoes, sensible beard growth. Otherwise he
wore boardies when down at the pool, or skiing on the river, and he was
fit, fit looking. He fasted, didn't eat, two days a week.

He was good, great compared to us, at tennis.
 He used my racquet, full sized Slazenger and I used Mum wooden Dottie, 8
tenths full size.
Either way, both implements got broken strings and he, the priest, re strung
them, there is a machine in the sports store,
 unused because no user is known but they did have several packets of
strings, ovals, not the clear nylon rounders, and those racquets fairly
twanged and hummed after that.

 He was big on the serve, bullets they were but other kids in town were
developing that style of game,
 not me because I was kind of thankful if I got it in after getting it over
the net.
 His control was good too, his forehand was almost never down the line, he
went that extra body yard to get to the other side of the ball,
 to slam it angled back at you and you watched as it passed in front, and
bounced out of reach
 when the standard reply was for you to backhand a return off his drive.
 Angle and spin he said several times, he wasn't big on top spin, but he had
it and it was only the saggy daggy balls we had that held him back.
 There was an audible thwack, louder than any others, other persons, when he
struck the ball 
and it seemed to be struck well, spinning back at you, seemingly growing and
narrowing with the impetus he had imparted, 
and it came back over the net about a foot up then dived, bounced and
flattened. 
Or he went that extra yard as I said, and that ball trajectory curved at you
then in the last bit it turned away. 


I was going to work after school, some days later, riding down the ramp
and driveway of the motel where I cut through from my back gate to the
main road then up to the wood yard from there. Tickles, my football coach,
called me over from his F100 driving past, he is the local constable
otherwise. He asked if I had heard about the new football coach and I
asked what do you mean and he said, you know, the priest who has been
telling all and sundry how football goes, when to tackle, how to tackle,
when to pass off, run straight, run oblique, you know. I ignored that and
said that the priest was an interesting bloke, with footy knowledge, and
it's a pity you don't go to church sometime. I had to do 20 pushups at
training, for weeks, until he was delayed, dealing with murderers, they
said. I am sure Tickles does know more about footy than anybody, anybody
else I know. He maintained that my bike paint was 'reckless' and the
chrome tones of my handlebars and back rack were different therefore
'recklessly endangered other road users' and 'culpably contributed to
sickening other persons, including oneself, and my gold fish'. Tough, or
what, and don't laugh, ever, because that converts to pushups. 


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From: norsaintpublishing at gmail.com (norsaintpublishing at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2019 15:31:25 +1000
Subject: [AusRace] After prawns - Darts and the Jesuit
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Know what you're saying about youngsters, cricket and swearing Tony.
I blame attending cricket matches as a youngster to watch my father play
and hanging around while they had a drink after the game, for my appalling
language nowadays. Reckon I heard every swear word ever invented from the
mouth of one particular individual, who it must be said was a very good
fella, nonetheless.
Much to their credit, the previous generation seemed to be much more self
disciplined when it came to bad language.


On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 14:29, Tony Moffat <tonymoffat at bigpond.com> wrote:

> There are 10 pages of typewriting here and not a horse, horserace or
> betting
> anecdote in any of it.
> It was good typing it while it rained today and now the woodshed beckons
> Cheers
>
> Tony
>
> When I was 11 Dad got promoted and moved to a new town, a territory to him,
> and I went to the catholic primary school. It was small, and packed with
> children,
> there were 57 in one room, three classes, 9 in the form after mine, 19 in
> mine
> and the rest in the form before, fecundity or what.  It went to high
> school,
> Leaving,
> but changes were coming, years 11 and 12, science outside the scriptures,
> and really
> the numbers thinned noticeably as the forms progressed, nobody did the
> Leaving
> for the two years I was there. The natural curve was to transfer to the
> central school,
> the pagan public school system, and a lot did that, me included, but in a
> year or more.
>
> There were 54 of us during this week of sporting how-to revelation. 3 did
> not
> attend, but I saw them under the sale yard bridge, yabbying, and two of
> those never
> returned.
>
> There was a priest who taught us, for a week or so, about sports and the
> dynamics of running and throwing, falling, jumping, catching, and hitting
> a ball, and kicking the thing too. That was great, those lessons, and we,
> the whole room took them, although there were no course notes, no
> text book, no references, just the words of a studious man to listen to.
>
> I have always thought that the cut shot in cricket defies the laws of
> physics, then what would I know, I have never played a cut shot, but we
> got to see one, in slow motion, in the class room and after school we got
> to see the shot again and again, I don't think the priest understood how
> interested we were and had become.
>
>  His explanation of the physics of the games, a lot of them, were
> fascinating and I have not seen or read about it since. He was unafraid to
> involve Newton, the gravity guy, in his explanations and demonstrations.
> Funnily, I tackled him 4 times, you know, ran with him then ducked in and
> took his legs out, so they wouldn't work, wouldn't support him, and all
> the while he talked and explained the dynamics in that.
>
>  I don't mean to rant, but it was interesting. I could use the information
> from
> him in a presentation for a school bursary, a scholarship, in a few years,
> I
> did too,
> wrote, then spoke when selected for it, almost word for word what that
> priest said about the tackle, the dynamics in a front on tackle, my weight
> against yours, speed and energy, and the transference of energy through
> mass at speed.
>
>  I stood at the judges desk, those deciding if I got the bursary, and used
> a writing pad as a playing field, a whistle as me, a Parker pen as the
> opposing player,
> a bottle of ink as the opposition team, and a wooden ruler as our
> advancing,
> slanted
> line, and explained that if the 5/8th stood a little wider, with a break
> away a little closer,
> the attacking team had 5, or 9 more options to generate a move, provided
> the
> front rowers
> caught the pass. I smiled at this point, but nobody else did, they being
> all
> forwards I reckoned, and
> I did not mention their inabilities again. I was tested on scenarios, which
> seemed to become
> an endless question of what, and how, and I got the point across that it
> was
> me, us, that had to
> stand, retain, and deliver the ball to enable a maul to continue on up the
> field. In my case, as answers,
> I just maintained a drone of tackle, tackle, tackle, pretty much what I did
> in a game anyway, stop the ball, stop the ball carrier.
>
> This may have won it for me, that scholarship, which is formalized by the
> passing of a medal, in a case, from the chair person to me.
> He dropped it, that case, really he made a charade of that, looked at me
> and
> laughed. Not me though.
>
> But the field demonstration with the Priest went on for several days.
>  I got him front on as well as tackling from behind, all the while he was
> commentating on what he was doing, what was happening between him and I,
> the energy transference taking place, and up to this point I just figured
> that stopping the legs was stopping the runner.
>
> The  running of the lines was always going to be interesting.
>
> He explained that for every sideways step you lose half a step up field.
>  At training and in the game I was tasked to make 9 yard gains, repeatedly,
> and knowing what he said I am
> pretty sure I always ran straight, ran at the other team, often, with that
> count in my head 8, 9,10,11,12 as each foot fall occurred knowing, hoping
> I had the 9 needed to fulfil my job. It is true that I counted out aloud,
> as an energy focusing prompt more often, when in possession of the footy
> so that I got called 'The Count', and that was a sledge, terrifying.
> Actually you
> don't get called lots of names in schoolboy rugby.
>
> LLike a tennis player in the modern era who used his
> hand pointed like a cobra to focus himself, I said numbers for the same
> end.
>
> That cricket lesson, the late cut, the French, the drive, the pull, got
> repeated and really got a lot of us interested in the game. I thought it
> was just put bat on ball and ignore the bullying, and there is a bit of
> it, even at school level. In effect, I didn't get to play the cut, before,
> or at any time, never tried it really, and I played so little cricket I
> perhaps was never going to do anything else other than slog the ball, in
> line with the pitch, or across the line, anticipating the bounce and
> swotting the pill way out there.
>
> David, in my class, was so energized by the words and actions of the
> Priest that he became a good batter, and played senior cricket although
> this
> was several years from now, and went
> several innings without getting bowled, or out any other way. David was so
> deliberate with his actions, lunging forward, moving his feet, seeing the
> ball for a long time before the bounce and the take after that. It is said
> he went 6 innings and was not dismissed. The score line was good, not
> extraordinary, but better because he was 14 years of age at this stage and
> playing
> strokes all over the place. He went away to school, on a cricket
> scholarship, and continued his good practice and reasonable scores there
> as well. He became a student, a medical type situation, and study there
> interfered with playing cricket here. I'm not sure how he got on in later
> life, in other teams. He was often two or more paces in front of his
> crease, down the pitch, then some balls he stayed put, the bowler was
> perplexed, and then he changed his grip on the bat, top hand became bottom
> hand and in the time between the ball leaving the bowlers hand and the
> ball arriving where he was he had gone from off to on, changed legs,
> cricketspeakwise,
> and belted the hated thing out through covers, out where there was nobody
> for a fair way. He stood facing the bowler too, not side on, golfer like,
> and had no back lift, he seemed cocked and ready with the bat back.
>
> A young teen can hear, and learn, all the swear words ever required in an
> afternoon of playing cricket well.
>
>  He was short on sixes, never had
> many 4's, and ran everything else, to the chagrin of his partner in the
> center, never opened the batting, that was pre-ordained as the son of the
> President or something, and came in at 4 or 5 in the order and really ran
> out of partners, the tail did not wag much. Did he get a century? He says
> so then he said he didn't know. He got out this once when he hooked a ball
> into a fielders armpit, caught, and anyway, they said, they removed the
> bail while he tended to the afflicted fielder, and left the field with
> him, caught, and stumped. His Captain, some of the fielders, and the
> President asked for an adjournment, there was a brief discussion and
> agreement
>  and he was re-instated, in the
> interest of fair play. In the interlude, the several minutes of all of
> this, David had packed up and was leaving, or had left.
> Back to swotting the books, he said. He had been caught, solid, he reckoned
> and had other things to do now.
>
> David got to be the Association best player, off his batting mainly, he was
> a
> so-so bowler, he just had a few ends so the quicks could get off and have a
> smoke really
> and his fielding was enthusiastic,  and in the context of the team,
> stunningly athletic.
> He never won an award for the Club, although as  I said he was demonstrably
> their best
> player if runs made and bowling averages and fielding dexterity are the
> scores to determine
> this. No, that son of the President got it, for breaking a cycle of ducks,
> 5
> consecutive, and
> really just set the field for a hook, then feed him, is all it took.
> Another
> got it after returning
> from surgery, but died from that before the presentation dinner, and still
> David came third for the year
> although the winner was worthy, he had played 5 games and painted the
> grandstand in his retirement,
> it was Newtown blue though, and strangely looked the same color as the
> railway station roof, where he had worked, painted mostly.
>
> Let me tell you some more, and there is a lot, about the Jesuit.
>
> At the football ground club room, in the grand stand,  there is a dart
> board,
> and two darts, and I think the current correct procedure was to bring your
> darts if darts are to be utilised, otherwise throw those two darts at the
> board, in the general direction of the board, or at least at the wall on
> which the board resides, then shout and yowl when one of your darts,
> un-aimed, encounters a triple something, a double of something else, or a
> bull, and maintain that is what you were aiming for, just that. Nobody in
> their right mind would occupy the bench seat below, or within 12 feet of
> that board, this was a no-go zone socially, and solely on the fact that
> those two darts, one of them, might land in your eyeball, with a shouted
> assertion from the thrower that, no, he wasn't aiming there.
>
> I haven't played a lot of darts, but my acquaintance, the Jesuit Priest,
> appears to have graduated, with dishonor, from the School of Darts,
> wherever that may be. I think those Jesuits recruited their men from those
> in the real world, drinkers, smokers, soldiers, sailors, bombardiers,
> powder
> monkeys,
>  anywhere other than the normal run of entry to the law of the
> cloth, a latin tuition and work on Sunday mostly.
>
> This priest knew darts, knew a lot about a lot actually,  most un-priestly
> in that aspect.
>
>  When, or if, you look at a dartboard you see the 20 segment on top,
> either side there is 5 left, and 1 right, and outside these are 12 on the
> left and 18 on the right. If you throw your three darts, and you are
> average you may get a 20 with one, and likely a 5 or one with the other,
> the third dart is iffy, if you aimed at the bull you at least increased
> the possibility of hitting the board, within the metal ringed scoring area
> and likely a one or 5, again. Summing that, and to maximise or promote
> your scoring ability, you might have a 20 plus a 5 plus a five which
> equals 30, and you take your thirty off your score, which commences at 501
> ordinarily.
>
> It is a weird anomaly occasionally seen around a dart board, that
> subtracting after summing your score.
>
> Players who are dunces, in maths mainly, but you are a dunce really if you
> fail the
> lot, but maths idiots have an inate ability to multiply, add and subtract
> their dart scores, way above and over their demonstrated activity, ability,
> in the
> class room. People, boys, men, who can't add two numbers in a class, are
> now
> capable of summing the product of triple 20, triple 5 and a 16. The
> summing is the hard part, the easier part is tripling, and the easiest of
> all is subtracting that score from your previous score, then getting it
> correct and announcing it right..
>
> Forget the maths text, and teaching, let's play darts at school, you are
> going to learn stuff real fast. Then strangely, or weirdly as I said
> before,
>  the same class room maths avoiders will work out, in their head,
> subconsciously,
>  that a triple 14, a 6 and a double 5 will win them
>  the game and can hardly wait for their turn at darts. Any one of them are
> genius at that, and continue to be even though their darts are awry, they
> can adjust and re-calculate their requirement mid turn. It's amazing,
> truly.
>
> So, back to the board, you are standing there with your first dart of your
> turn and looking at 20, double 20 if within the metal fence at the top,
> triple 20 if in the metal segment, half way down, and narrowing.
> Professionals, those who are old enough to dart and drink I mean, may have
> the expertise to triple 20, to the dart persons poem of 180, but you don't
> and nor will you until you are in your 40's and play 9 games twice a week
> until you reach that milestone. The dart leaves your hand flat but falls
> after that, it appears as a parabola, it may be that too but at the end of
> its flight the dart tip is angling down to a lesser or greater extent than
> when it left you and your paw. It is better, way better, for the dart tip
> to be heading to a portion of the board that is expanding, in width for
> starters, to counter any off target impulse you gave the dart shaft at its
> release. With this information you should aim at 19, bottom left, about
> 7.00pm if that helps non-dart savvy people, and there are a few of us. The
> 19
> segment has as its borders the 3 and 7, and outside them is 16 on the
> left and 17 on the right. Immediately you can see that your scoring will
> be enhanced, if your aim isn't, say you got the  19, plus a 7 plus a
> seven, using the your scoring ability as discussed elsewhere. You now have
> a score of 33. Only 33, only 3 better, but that matters, and that matters
> a lot as the game progresses. Importantly your dart is falling into the
> expanding segment, the slice is widening as it runs from the bull to the
> outer ring and with your dart tip angled as it is you would hope that your
> aim would improve. It does, it may, it should, it might.
>
> There was a discussion, him to me, about the actions of the wings, the
> feathers
> on the end of the dart away from the tip, to clarify. They were there to
> stabilize
> and balance the weight of the dart proper. Its centre of gravity is about
> where
> you grasp it, perhaps a little forward, and the feathers provide down force
> firstly,
> counter balancing the gravity of the tip end. Your point of aiming on the
> board is
> a little, a lot for some, above your line of sight, the apogee of flight I
> called it, wrongly.
> When the dart leaves your hand its flight is governed by its weight and the
> impetus you
> gave it, it's directional path is obviously imparted by you, the feathers
> ensure it stays
> on the narrow and straight and it should not turn, spin, because that
> undoes
> some of the
> action of the feathers. There is more, lots of it, about the parallax
> effect
> for starters, about
> the dart flight properties when it is better, aimly, for the dart to be
> moving sideways as well
> as forwards, how releasing a little back from the line is beneficial for
> those of us, nearly all
> of us, who stand open to the board, and for the others who turn side on,
> close over, there is a trick or three to help them too.
>
>  He was a bombardier and he knew stuff.
>
> Your normal strategy, at the start, was to think and go for triple 20. But
> you don't have the expertise for that, 2 games a week for 25 years is what
> I was told was the minimum training required to logically think you could
> get there, or that, by design. Instead the 19 play is where you are right
> now, abilitywise, and missing the 20 segment, as expected let's face it,
> puts your dart in the low scoring 5 or one zone. Players with skill, and
> thinking they can place their dart two thirds of the time, are still
> better in the 19 segment, a triple, a double or a single with one of those
> two is still geographically easier with the falling tip, the expanding
> segment, the ability level of you in actuality. The tip is likely to
> encounter the metal enclosure of a double or triple with it falling off
> and in any event the largest, widest then, segment is still available to
> snag your dart and a 57 is more likely than a double in the 20 segment.
>
> Truly awful darters, me and my mates, should aim for the bull probably
> because this increases our chances of (a)hitting the board , (b) accruing
> a score, promoting yourself as a dead eye when, not if, it happens. The
> next level along, still awful but better, should try for the 14 segment
> and the numbers around that, as the average score arising is perhaps
> better, by a little than elsewhere, or the 16 segment for much the same
> reasons.
>
> Your best average is 19, you can nearly be assured of averaging that with
> three darts, and missing the 19 of course. The 'average' double on the
> board
> is 21, double 1 is 2, double 2 is 4 type of thing. The 'average' treble is
> 31.5. The double area occupies about 10% of the board area and there is a
> no go zone outside that, no score is possible there and this has to be a
> factor. The treble area is about 5% of the  total board area with the
> added advantage of the metal fence able to correct and direct your dart to
> the inside, or the outside and outside scores points no matter where. The
> average single point score is 10.5 and there are strategies available to
> harness those scores of 11 or more which is advantageous to your game plan
> and your now exposed and somewhat inability to get that damn dart to
> behave as you want.
>
> The dart board big numbers are always between smaller numbers, in a
> sequence. Trying for a 20 and getting a one means a difference of 19, a
> tragedy, and your game strategy should always be to avoid these and those
> disparities. Utilising 19, 16, 14 or a number greater than 10.5 will help
> you there.
>
> All of this from a catholic priest while driving home after serving mass
> at an outlying village, there were 11 parishioners, and a friendly dog and
> some chirping crickets, and him and me in his Valiant. Fascinating bloke,
> a man of the world, who came to the priesthood late, after the Royal Air
> Force
> and via Hungary where he had been a tractor mechanic .
>
>  Mum said later he had a struggle to get a frock because he had a child or
> children. Even more fascinating.
>
> The priest continued with a strategy for ending the game, you must end on
> a double, as in you have 22 points left, a double eleven wins it, you hit
> 14, you have 8 points lefts, a double 4 wins it, you hit 4, you have 4
> points left, a double 2 wins it and you do it with the throw of your third
> dart. If you don't peg out, all that happens mostly is a challenge for a
> new game. Let the other player throw first, give yourself something to
> beat, other than yourself. But back to the end of the game, it is
> important to stay live, that's what he said, don't bust with any of your
> darts, just score with all of them, reducing you required 'get' all the
> time, make every dart count, or actually, deduct, from your holding total.
> The goal is always score more than 40 with each row of three, this will
> take you further towards a winning completion than the other average
> thrower, which has been scored out over thousands of games as 29 point
> something, three darts aggregating 29 points is the average that the
> average player scores, and you are average but scoring 40, by pre
> planning, and if in a game of 8 rows (throws of three he means) your
> opponent is lodged somewhere near 230 points, and you are a minimum of 88
> points in advance of him or her, just by scoring in the 19 segment for
> starters. Once your score reduces to less than 100 you can strategise even
> more with single 16's or 14's and even the easy hit singles, 9 or less,
> will allow you to double down quickly to zero and a win. All the while you
> are mentally calculating your remainder, trebling and subtracting,
> doubling and the same, and the easier single deduction and who can't take
> 9 or something less away from a number. You are too dangerous for darts if
> you can't deduct, multiply, add and divide as required, meaning you are
> too young if you haven't got those skills yet. Darts will sharpen your
> mental acuity. There you have it, a lesson in life.
>
> At that time we, my parents and me, don't have a dart board, but the Club
> does, it has
> several roads or tracks leading from a line on the floor towards the wall
> with the
> board at the required height, I'll find that out for you, and illuminated
> with a shadowless and bright large capacity globe shielded by a strong
> metal hood sitting on the end of a flexible stem. Strangely, the hood has
> dents in it, presumably from the errant, ill-aimed, or more likely, the
> disgusted throwing of remaining darts from a player who went bust, and
> it's not their fault.
>
>  He and I, the priest and me, had curried prawns for tea, a popular
> delight even though it is 470 miles from the ocean here, and he had a
> brandy and I had a tonic and my dart tuition started and went for several
> hours. My shoulder, the left because I am left shouldered, was feeling it
> and I got beat by a better player on the night, that's all. He, the
> priest, did the triple 20 (one 'undred and eigh  tee) but mostly me and
> him concentrated on the 19 quadrant and even in this shortened lesson it
> was obvious to me that my score was enhanced as a result, I had no prior
> competition to compare it to, it just seemed to me that the numbers
> accumulated.
>
>  It was up to me to mentally score each of us, his doubles, trebles and 19
> and my single spot 19 and occasional 17, because of the aiming inability I
> brought to the line. There is a mental workout in this sport, I told you
> about that earlier, aggregating, deducting, formulating a double down
> towards a finish. Mum was playing cards, and Dad was counting money and I
> was playing darts with a disciple of God, you'd have to lose, right. He
> thought it was funny, and even more, he was glad nobody had approached him
> for a blessing, themselves, or their cards, or the skinny they had for the
> pokies. Chrissy was going to come to tea but didn't when darts were
> mentioned, no thank q she said, she said q too.
>
>  Me, at 13, being in the club was permitted for the purpose of a meal, and
> then staying for recreation is allowed, although not by the licensing
> laws. Kids, people my age, play carpet bowls, ping pong, do craft, watch
> drama, watch pictures, all under the roof, with air conditioning, although
> essentially they may be on or in licensed premises. There are no bars, no
> poker machines, no other adults really in the area, the dart boards occupy
> the wall which forms the back drop to the beer room and there is no access
> from where I was to a beer area direct. Why am I going to great lengths to
> defend my presence in a beer hall building, well, because the priest
> thought it unnecessary to walk out the side door, along the footpath, and
> in through the front door, past the entry and welcome area, down a hall,
> through a room full of poker machines to reach a bar where he could buy a
> drink of alcohol, then reverse the walk of shame to get back for his turn
> at darts, and in the meantime I told him I had hit one 'undred and
> eight-ee and what, you don't believe me and when I replayed my go I got 7,
> a five and one, although nearly a double one on the last of three
> darts, so it was feasible. He mumbled something about confession, and I
> saw the funny side of that.
>
> Towards the end of his tenure in town we began to talk techniques of
> snooker and billiards.
>
>  It never progressed beyond talk though, there was a billiard table at the
> Club, there may have been more than one, but that table seemed to be the
> private ownership of  group of men who had the sole rights to its use, and
> if one of us juniors so much as removed the cloth covering it when it was
> not being played well this led to words and re-crimination and they were
> welcome to it, truly.
>
>  I have played pool in the pub and that has no bearing to anything on the
> big table, with its size and angles and drift and bounce, kiss and push,
> jump and cringe.
>
> Friend Bracer grandparents had a full sized table and it stood in the
> garage
> for
> a few years when that side of their house was modified, I think repaired,
> certainly painted and then they decided to re-furbish the table. It might
> have been based on stone, polished flat I was told, it started pretty flat
> and even and was improved from that. The wooden exposure pieces were
> French polished and the cloth, the baize, the green and grey was renewed.
> Bracer said his Granny bought that cloth, heavy wound stuff it was
> when she was in the UK burying her sister and it was sold to her as the
> right stuff, but it wasn't,  it was too thin or the wrong weave and there
> was 70 pounds lost right there. But the shop who sold it to her heard about
> that, from the other side of the world and wrote to her, Granny, and
> replaced it with the right cloth, best billiards good feeling story ever
> that one. It might have been expensive. All of this was done when the
> table was moved back inside, through the wall of the garage and into the
> room especially for it. There were lights down low, bright lights, and
> pool cue racks and a scoring bar with moveable things that allowed you to
> score, and cheat, and a wide space all around the edge, it was a big room.
> I saw it finished whilst staying nearby and it looked pretty
> business-like. It has been told to me since that the flooring cracked and
> broke under one corner leg and the table was left suspended over the abyss
> for a while until the builder returned to repair everything. The floor was
> inadequate I believe, not strong to hold the table which is reported to
> hold several tons of rock, wood, cloth and polish. I have never played it,
> nor has Bracer as he is not allowed and when he  saw it last it was waiting
> to
> be repaired and was the repository for books, magazines and clothes
> awaiting ironing, and that green baize, the first lot, folded and waiting
> on a new use somewhere I imagine.
>
> The priest's time in town came to an end. He wasn't sure where he would be
> in the next week, he didn't care much either, every where he went I bet
> there would be people who would be amazed and happy that this new father
> was not going to preach to or at them, not do the hard or loud talking to
> keep them on the religious straight and narrow. He was a hippie by any
> definition, truly, except his white collar gave him away, that and his
> tailored suit and long pointed shoes, sensible beard growth. Otherwise he
> wore boardies when down at the pool, or skiing on the river, and he was
> fit, fit looking. He fasted, didn't eat, two days a week.
>
> He was good, great compared to us, at tennis.
>  He used my racquet, full sized Slazenger and I used Mum wooden Dottie, 8
> tenths full size.
> Either way, both implements got broken strings and he, the priest, re
> strung
> them, there is a machine in the sports store,
>  unused because no user is known but they did have several packets of
> strings, ovals, not the clear nylon rounders, and those racquets fairly
> twanged and hummed after that.
>
>  He was big on the serve, bullets they were but other kids in town were
> developing that style of game,
>  not me because I was kind of thankful if I got it in after getting it over
> the net.
>  His control was good too, his forehand was almost never down the line, he
> went that extra body yard to get to the other side of the ball,
>  to slam it angled back at you and you watched as it passed in front, and
> bounced out of reach
>  when the standard reply was for you to backhand a return off his drive.
>  Angle and spin he said several times, he wasn't big on top spin, but he
> had
> it and it was only the saggy daggy balls we had that held him back.
>  There was an audible thwack, louder than any others, other persons, when
> he
> struck the ball
> and it seemed to be struck well, spinning back at you, seemingly growing
> and
> narrowing with the impetus he had imparted,
> and it came back over the net about a foot up then dived, bounced and
> flattened.
> Or he went that extra yard as I said, and that ball trajectory curved at
> you
> then in the last bit it turned away.
>
>
> I was going to work after school, some days later, riding down the ramp
> and driveway of the motel where I cut through from my back gate to the
> main road then up to the wood yard from there. Tickles, my football coach,
> called me over from his F100 driving past, he is the local constable
> otherwise. He asked if I had heard about the new football coach and I
> asked what do you mean and he said, you know, the priest who has been
> telling all and sundry how football goes, when to tackle, how to tackle,
> when to pass off, run straight, run oblique, you know. I ignored that and
> said that the priest was an interesting bloke, with footy knowledge, and
> it's a pity you don't go to church sometime. I had to do 20 pushups at
> training, for weeks, until he was delayed, dealing with murderers, they
> said. I am sure Tickles does know more about footy than anybody, anybody
> else I know. He maintained that my bike paint was 'reckless' and the
> chrome tones of my handlebars and back rack were different therefore
> 'recklessly endangered other road users' and 'culpably contributed to
> sickening other persons, including oneself, and my gold fish'. Tough, or
> what, and don't laugh, ever, because that converts to pushups.
>
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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2019 16:13:00 +0800
Subject: [AusRace] After prawns - Darts and the Jesuit
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Northerly ? thanks. I made the point that cricketers, in their creams, are not nice, and  jingoistic, in the endeavor to put off the opposition, a batsman in this case. Whereas, a much more manly sport, thugby, especially at school boy level, where this was when referred to, is, or was, not subjected to the nasty words, sledging, so much. This is my opinion and I was out there for a few years and have the ears as evidence. In football there is the heavy hitting and most are conditioned for it. In cricket you have angry persons throwing hard balls at your head, and bouncing them for the purpose of accelerating them to achieve this. Both games originated in England, rugby just doesn?t pretend to be anything other than exercise, and cricket looks nice from the boundary but there are better things to do on a hot Australian summer afternoon, and the whole thing seems predicated on disliking your opponent, the proof of which is throwing things at them!

 

Cheers

 

Tony

 

Consider snipping when replying.

 

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Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 1:31 PM
To: AusRace Racing Discussion List <racing at ausrace.com>
Subject: Re: [AusRace] After prawns - Darts and the Jesuit

 

Know what you're saying about youngsters, cricket and swearing Tony.

I blame attending cricket matches as a youngster to watch my father play and hanging around while they had a drink after the game, for my appalling language nowadays. Reckon I heard every swear word ever invented from the mouth of one particular individual, who it must be said was a very good fella, nonetheless.  

Much to their credit, the previous generation seemed to be much more self disciplined when it came to bad language. 

 

 

On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 14:29, Tony Moffat <tonymoffat at bigpond.com <mailto:tonymoffat at bigpond.com> > wrote:

There are 10 pages of typewriting here and not a horse, horserace or betting
anecdote in any of it.
It was good typing it while it rained today and now the woodshed beckons
Cheers

Tony

When I was 11 Dad got promoted and moved to a new town, a territory to him,
and I went to the catholic primary school. It was small, and packed with
children,



 

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From: norsaintpublishing at gmail.com (norsaintpublishing at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2019 18:33:11 +1000
Subject: [AusRace] After prawns - Darts and the Jesuit
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I beg to disagree Tony. Cricket is the greatest game IMHO. The embarrassing
carry-on of recent years has bordered on cheating and isn't really typical
of how the game used to be played. Gamemanship tinged with humour used to
be the go whereas our blokes have been cheating with their ludicrous
"mental disintegration" bullshit they've carried on with since Waugh S took
over.

On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 18:13, Tony Moffat <tonymoffat at bigpond.com> wrote:

> Northerly ? thanks. I made the point that cricketers, in their creams, are
> not nice, and  jingoistic, in the endeavor to put off the opposition, a
> batsman in this case. Whereas, a much more manly sport, thugby, especially
> at school boy level, where this was when referred to, is, or was, not
> subjected to the nasty words, sledging, so much. This is my opinion and I
> was out there for a few years and have the ears as evidence. In football
> there is the heavy hitting and most are conditioned for it. In cricket you
> have angry persons throwing hard balls at your head, and bouncing them for
> the purpose of accelerating them to achieve this. Both games originated in
> England, rugby just doesn?t pretend to be anything other than exercise, and
> cricket looks nice from the boundary but there are better things to do on a
> hot Australian summer afternoon, and the whole thing seems predicated on
> disliking your opponent, the proof of which is throwing things at them!
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
> Tony
>
>
>
> Consider snipping when replying.
>
>
>
> *From:* Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] *On Behalf Of *
> norsaintpublishing at gmail.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 18, 2019 1:31 PM
> *To:* AusRace Racing Discussion List <racing at ausrace.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AusRace] After prawns - Darts and the Jesuit
>
>
>
> Know what you're saying about youngsters, cricket and swearing Tony.
>
> I blame attending cricket matches as a youngster to watch my father play
> and hanging around while they had a drink after the game, for my appalling
> language nowadays. Reckon I heard every swear word ever invented from the
> mouth of one particular individual, who it must be said was a very good
> fella, nonetheless.
>
> Much to their credit, the previous generation seemed to be much more self
> disciplined when it came to bad language.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 14:29, Tony Moffat <tonymoffat at bigpond.com> wrote:
>
> There are 10 pages of typewriting here and not a horse, horserace or
> betting
> anecdote in any of it.
> It was good typing it while it rained today and now the woodshed beckons
> Cheers
>
> Tony
>
> When I was 11 Dad got promoted and moved to a new town, a territory to him,
> and I went to the catholic primary school. It was small, and packed with
> children,
>
>
>
> snipped
>
>
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From lloveday at ozemail.com.au  Wed Sep 18 19:56:03 2019
From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2019 19:56:03 +1000
Subject: [AusRace] After prawns - Darts and the Jesuit
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".. bordered on cheating.."!

 

 

There were tens of $millions legally bet on the various results of the Cape Town Test, and punters are entitled to assume the results are fairly determined and not dependent on the success or not of cheats. What they did was an attempt to change the result of a game by illegal actions. No matter which way it is spun - "ball-tampering" and other euphemisms - it was attempted match-fixing.

 

Part of those $millions are paid to CA for the right to bet on "their product" and goes into the pool from which these cricketers are paid. Betting on the game also encourages those who have bet to watch, increasing the ratings & thus increasing the value of television rights, a big part of CA's income. And Bookmakers advertise extensively during Test broadcasts (so I' told), adding to the value of TV rights.

 

Part of the players' payments is by way of performance bonuses, which would be bigger if they won, thus they attempted "dishonestly obtaining financial advantage by deception" - a criminal offence - as they tried to illegally affect the results of the game (more wickets, more quickly, greater chance of winning) when succeeding could have meant bigger bonuses. Also, sponsors are willing to pay more for successful players - the more successful, the more sponsorship they get. 

 

Far from being harshly treated as so many say, I consider them lucky to not be criminally charged. Cronje got life for match-fixing (I don't see that it matters that he got a direct payment while theirs is not so obvious in $$ terms, but as I have outlined above, success at cheating would have led to a financial advantage).

 

Two men were jailed over the Fine Cotton affair and far less money was bet on that race than on the Cape Town Test; I honestly cannot see that what those 2 did was deserving of criminal sanction while the cricketers' actions got a relative slap on the wrist.



Smith condoned cheating then initially lied when caught out; that's the Australian Captain whom PM Howard described as the pinnacle of Australian leadership rather than the PM, but who cheated with malice of forethought, lied about it and disgraced Australia.


If every other country and every player from every other country cheated, that would not in the least excuse what they did.

 

LBL

 

 

From: Racing On Behalf Of norsaintpublishing at gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, 18 September 2019 18:33 PM
To: AusRace Racing Discussion List <racing at ausrace.com>
Subject: Re: [AusRace] After prawns - Darts and the Jesuit

 

I beg to disagree Tony. Cricket is the greatest game IMHO. The embarrassing carry-on of recent years has bordered on cheating and isn't really typical of how the game used to be played. Gamemanship tinged with humour used to be the go whereas our blokes have been cheating with their ludicrous "mental disintegration" bullshit they've carried on with since Waugh S took over.  

 

On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 18:13, Tony Moffat <tonymoffat at bigpond.com <mailto:tonymoffat at bigpond.com> > wrote:

Northerly ? thanks. I made the point that cricketers, in their creams, are not nice, and  jingoistic, in the endeavor to put off the opposition, a batsman in this case. Whereas, a much more manly sport, thugby, especially at school boy level, where this was when referred to, is, or was, not subjected to the nasty words, sledging, so much. This is my opinion and I was out there for a few years and have the ears as evidence. In football there is the heavy hitting and most are conditioned for it. In cricket you have angry persons throwing hard balls at your head, and bouncing them for the purpose of accelerating them to achieve this. Both games originated in England, rugby just doesn?t pretend to be anything other than exercise, and cricket looks nice from the boundary but there are better things to do on a hot Australian summer afternoon, and the whole thing seems predicated on disliking your opponent, the proof of which is throwing things at them!

 

Cheers

 

Tony

 

Consider snipping when replying.

 

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Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 1:31 PM
To: AusRace Racing Discussion List <racing at ausrace.com <mailto:racing at ausrace.com> >
Subject: Re: [AusRace] After prawns - Darts and the Jesuit

 

Know what you're saying about youngsters, cricket and swearing Tony.

I blame attending cricket matches as a youngster to watch my father play and hanging around while they had a drink after the game, for my appalling language nowadays. Reckon I heard every swear word ever invented from the mouth of one particular individual, who it must be said was a very good fella, nonetheless.  

Much to their credit, the previous generation seemed to be much more self disciplined when it came to bad language. 

 

 

On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 14:29, Tony Moffat <tonymoffat at bigpond.com <mailto:tonymoffat at bigpond.com> > wrote:

There are 10 pages of typewriting here and not a horse, horserace or betting
anecdote in any of it.
It was good typing it while it rained today and now the woodshed beckons
Cheers

Tony

When I was 11 Dad got promoted and moved to a new town, a territory to him,
and I went to the catholic primary school. It was small, and packed with
children,

 

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From norsaintpublishing at gmail.com  Wed Sep 18 21:07:44 2019
From: norsaintpublishing at gmail.com (norsaintpublishing at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2019 21:07:44 +1000
Subject: [AusRace] After prawns - Darts and the Jesuit
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Agree Len. The Cape Town business was out and out cheating. I was referring
to their on field sledging/behaviour , which was always passed off as "part
of the game" and all the other bullshit etc etc). Strangely though,
whenever opposition teams replied in kind, our blokes started screaming
blue murder. My point was that personal abuse goes beyond the bounds of
gamesmanship and borders on cheating. In fact it is cheating. No borders
about it.


On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 19:56, L.B.Loveday <lloveday at ozemail.com.au> wrote:

> ".. bordered on cheating.."!
>
>
>
>
>
> There were tens of $millions legally bet on the various results of the
> Cape Town Test, and punters are entitled to assume the results are fairly
> determined and not dependent on the success or not of cheats. What they
> did was an attempt to change the result of a game by illegal actions. No
> matter which way it is spun - "ball-tampering" and other euphemisms - it
> was attempted match-fixing.
>
>
>
> Part of those $millions are paid to CA for the right to bet on "their
> product" and goes into the pool from which these cricketers are paid.
> Betting on the game also encourages those who have bet to watch, increasing
> the ratings & thus increasing the value of television rights, a big part of
> CA's income. And Bookmakers advertise extensively during Test broadcasts
> (so I' told), adding to the value of TV rights.
>
>
>
> Part of the players' payments is by way of performance bonuses, which
> would be bigger if they won, thus they attempted "dishonestly obtaining
> financial advantage by deception" - a criminal offence - as they tried to
> illegally affect the results of the game (more wickets, more quickly,
> greater chance of winning) when succeeding could have meant bigger bonuses.
> Also, sponsors are willing to pay more for successful players - the more
> successful, the more sponsorship they get.
>
>
>
> Far from being harshly treated as so many say, I consider them lucky to
> not be criminally charged. Cronje got life for match-fixing (I don't see
> that it matters that he got a direct payment while theirs is not so obvious
> in $$ terms, but as I have outlined above, success at cheating would have
> led to a financial advantage).
>
>
>
> Two men were jailed over the Fine Cotton affair and far less money was bet
> on that race than on the Cape Town Test; I honestly cannot see that what
> those 2 did was deserving of criminal sanction while the cricketers'
> actions got a relative slap on the wrist.
>
> Smith condoned cheating then initially lied when caught out; that's the
> Australian Captain whom PM Howard described as the pinnacle of Australian
> leadership rather than the PM, but who cheated with malice of forethought,
> lied about it and disgraced Australia.
>
>
> If every other country and every player from every other country cheated,
> that would not in the least excuse what they did.
>
>
>
> LBL
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Racing *On Behalf Of *norsaintpublishing at gmail.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 18 September 2019 18:33 PM
> *To:* AusRace Racing Discussion List <racing at ausrace.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AusRace] After prawns - Darts and the Jesuit
>
>
>
> I beg to disagree Tony. Cricket is the greatest game IMHO. The
> embarrassing carry-on of recent years has bordered on cheating and isn't
> really typical of how the game used to be played. Gamemanship tinged with
> humour used to be the go whereas our blokes have been cheating with their
> ludicrous "mental disintegration" bullshit they've carried on with since
> Waugh S took over.
>
>
>
> On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 18:13, Tony Moffat <tonymoffat at bigpond.com> wrote:
>
> Northerly ? thanks. I made the point that cricketers, in their creams, are
> not nice, and  jingoistic, in the endeavor to put off the opposition, a
> batsman in this case. Whereas, a much more manly sport, thugby, especially
> at school boy level, where this was when referred to, is, or was, not
> subjected to the nasty words, sledging, so much. This is my opinion and I
> was out there for a few years and have the ears as evidence. In football
> there is the heavy hitting and most are conditioned for it. In cricket you
> have angry persons throwing hard balls at your head, and bouncing them for
> the purpose of accelerating them to achieve this. Both games originated in
> England, rugby just doesn?t pretend to be anything other than exercise, and
> cricket looks nice from the boundary but there are better things to do on a
> hot Australian summer afternoon, and the whole thing seems predicated on
> disliking your opponent, the proof of which is throwing things at them!
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
> Tony
>
>
>
> Consider snipping when replying.
>
>
>
> *From:* Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] *On Behalf Of *
> norsaintpublishing at gmail.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 18, 2019 1:31 PM
> *To:* AusRace Racing Discussion List <racing at ausrace.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AusRace] After prawns - Darts and the Jesuit
>
>
>
> Know what you're saying about youngsters, cricket and swearing Tony.
>
> I blame attending cricket matches as a youngster to watch my father play
> and hanging around while they had a drink after the game, for my appalling
> language nowadays. Reckon I heard every swear word ever invented from the
> mouth of one particular individual, who it must be said was a very good
> fella, nonetheless.
>
> Much to their credit, the previous generation seemed to be much more self
> disciplined when it came to bad language.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 14:29, Tony Moffat <tonymoffat at bigpond.com> wrote:
>
> There are 10 pages of typewriting here and not a horse, horserace or
> betting
> anecdote in any of it.
> It was good typing it while it rained today and now the woodshed beckons
> Cheers
>
> Tony
>
> When I was 11 Dad got promoted and moved to a new town, a territory to him,
> and I went to the catholic primary school. It was small, and packed with
> children,
>
>
>
> snipped
>
>
>
>
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From lloveday at ozemail.com.au  Sat Sep 21 10:54:19 2019
From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday)
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2019 10:54:19 +1000
Subject: [AusRace] Joke of the month - TopBetta
Message-ID: <004c01d57017$1db15fa0$59141ee0$@ozemail.com.au>

TopBetta send me, and I presume many others, phoney offers like this each
week.

 

 

 
<http://ablink.news.topbetta.com/wf/click?upn=78u1ZImwkGtlXn3FKfNEjvWTxtM05R
BzjN6ASFP9VhNm8wtJDRFYXOrny-2F3NrKZuyofYuYDfnbn2FDVU1t-2FS0sZvqW2UOSb90JRDnL
ApOxfQ1uCNXuqyae3PJG1ioUBarvdl2QlOOYqPJs2pEjLiJ18Y3sK3b1PLG8koAr3j9e7-2FFNUP
x4eO0R6CHKvU46fI6%20> 

 

They never accept any bets though, and to prove how truly, irredeemably
pathetic they are, I tried to bet $1 as soon as I got the "offer".

 



 

 

Big brave bookmaker, sends unsolicited offer, then manually reviews a $1
bet.

 

Waiting, waiting, finally back comes the answer:

 



 

The price had not changed, and soon after I received a SMS with the same
offer at the same quoted price.

 

When queried, the responses appear to be either from a mentally retarded
person or an incompetently-written Bot.

 

 

 

 

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From seanmac4321 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 21 11:40:04 2019
From: seanmac4321 at gmail.com (sean mclaren)
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2019 11:40:04 +1000
Subject: [AusRace] Joke of the month - TopBetta
In-Reply-To: <004c01d57017$1db15fa0$59141ee0$@ozemail.com.au>
References: <004c01d57017$1db15fa0$59141ee0$@ozemail.com.au>
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Hey Len

the phone has been dinging all week.

with these offers.

i saw an opt out link , but it has a mobile no attached.

i suppose they are the same ones calling and the unanswered call goes to
message bank.

message bank comes up with robot talking chinese lol.

deary me. and people wonder why i never answer mobile, if i do not know who
it is.

best rgds Sean

On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 10:55 AM L.B.Loveday <lloveday at ozemail.com.au>
wrote:

> TopBetta send me, and I presume many others, phoney offers like this each
> week.
>
>
>
>
>
> [image: Lay of the Day]
> <http://ablink.news.topbetta.com/wf/click?upn=78u1ZImwkGtlXn3FKfNEjvWTxtM05RBzjN6ASFP9VhNm8wtJDRFYXOrny-2F3NrKZuyofYuYDfnbn2FDVU1t-2FS0sZvqW2UOSb90JRDnLApOxfQ1uCNXuqyae3PJG1ioUBarvdl2QlOOYqPJs2pEjLiJ18Y3sK3b1PLG8koAr3j9e7-2FFNUPx4eO0R6CHKvU46fI6%20>
>
>
>
> They never accept any bets though, and to prove how truly, irredeemably
> pathetic they are, I tried to bet $1 as soon as I got the "offer".
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Big brave bookmaker, sends unsolicited offer, then manually reviews a $1
> bet.
>
>
>
> Waiting, waiting, finally back comes the answer:
>
>
>
>
>
> The price had not changed, and soon after I received a SMS with the same
> offer at the same quoted price.
>
>
>
> When queried, the responses appear to be either from a mentally retarded
> person or an incompetently-written Bot.
>
>
>
>
>
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From greg.j.conroy at gmail.com  Wed Sep 25 11:31:18 2019
From: greg.j.conroy at gmail.com (Greg Conroy)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 11:31:18 +1000
Subject: [AusRace] Holy Grail
In-Reply-To: <004c01d57017$1db15fa0$59141ee0$@ozemail.com.au>
References: <004c01d57017$1db15fa0$59141ee0$@ozemail.com.au>
Message-ID: <1E3D59A9-3E2A-4FC3-B8BC-E74FEE8104DC@gmail.com>

G?day all ?

I think it was Norsaint ? but sure many of you are in the same boat ? that mentioned the disgraceful antics that happen to you in the Family Court.

I think punters are over-represented in those stats!

I?m in that boat as well ? 

And in order to REINVENT MYSELF (and hide a few $$ from the ex) ? I?ve become a very successful tipster ? Australia?s Best, I?d have to say, humbly.

You may be interested in what I?ve just launched.

Nothing like anything you?ve seen before. As I DO NOT USE FORM!

Just my mental abilities to study patterns. 

The proof is in the pudding ? over 30% POT.

Called the HOLY GRAIL ? as the ONLY way you can win is to have PROFIT and VOLUME.

Can read all about it here ? 

https://thatsclever.lpages.co/about-holy-grail-club/ <https://thatsclever.lpages.co/about-holy-grail-club/>

Cheers, Greg


Greg Conroy, Inventor of Award Winning and Free:

www.rewardbet.com   ? read more: https://about.rewardbet.com/ <https://about.rewardbet.com/>

And author of https://winwithoutform <https://winwithoutform/>.com

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From tonymoffat at bigpond.com  Wed Sep 25 18:53:00 2019
From: tonymoffat at bigpond.com (Tony Moffat)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 16:53:00 +0800
Subject: [AusRace] FW: PicWiz - calculators in racing series
Message-ID: <000a01d5737e$a3987990$eac96cb0$@bigpond.com>


The first PicWiz was a booklet, and this was followed by a DOS based system
-both of these you entered data manually.

Then PicWiz with ESP (estimated starting price) used Inracing data files to
export/import data into this program and it was semi- automatic after that.
Manual entry was still an option.

There were 73 data points of interest that could be utilized, up from 5 in
the first versions, and Inracing provided templates for some of these to
enable you
to enter and use data unique to you, that which you considered necessary,
meaning important, which acted upon the Irat score (similar to Wizards
Wrat).
Irat was segregated into groupings 100,99,98,97,96, 95-92 and <92 and tables
within the program applied corrections to Irat score depending on what data
you chose to use.
Apparently the consensus panel scoring was a strong indicator of the
worthiness of a runner, the highest adjusted Irat score which is also the
Irat 100 pointer is another,
betting the overs provided by the ESP function had good POT%

The ESP followed on from Malcolm Knowles studies printed first up in the
centre pages of The Wizard. An algorithm was developed that attempted to
predict a likely sp for all runners.
There is no simple explanation for it, sorry, but generally it seemed to
work, at least the price rankings were most often correct, the tried prices
often on the money. A series of private and public tipster polls were used,
in addition to other maths that resulted in a price line likely to represent
the order of prices in practice. Using this information in the calculation,
eg 31% of all runners firm, 61% of all runners ease, 8% of runners do not do
either, fiming runners  account for 53% of all winners, easing runners
account for 40% of all winners. It was felt, found, that once a runners
price firmed it would continue at that price, or firm again. 

The 'BettingBandido' may have used PicWiz as the basis for his selections,
and he was making $450 k annually.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Moffat [mailto:tonymoffat at bigpond.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 8:38 PM

Data for the PicWiz is still available from The Wizard

Malcolm Knowles and Inracing ceased operation in December 2013. He was still
including PicWiz prices in his data until the end.

Cheers

Tony





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From norsaintpublishing at gmail.com  Wed Sep 25 21:56:46 2019
From: norsaintpublishing at gmail.com (norsaintpublishing at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 21:56:46 +1000
Subject: [AusRace] FW: PicWiz - calculators in racing series
In-Reply-To: <000a01d5737e$a3987990$eac96cb0$@bigpond.com>
References: <000a01d5737e$a3987990$eac96cb0$@bigpond.com>
Message-ID: <CAJfP4b2FNjPfc9h=ZjZdO0tmoXjRhSVoau7pwvhi0OL4+J9oPw@mail.gmail.com>

Who was the referred to "betting bandito" Tony?

On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 at 18:53, Tony Moffat <tonymoffat at bigpond.com> wrote:

>
> The first PicWiz was a booklet, and this was followed by a DOS based system
> -both of these you entered data manually.
>
> Then PicWiz with ESP (estimated starting price) used Inracing data files to
> export/import data into this program and it was semi- automatic after that.
> Manual entry was still an option.
>
> There were 73 data points of interest that could be utilized, up from 5 in
> the first versions, and Inracing provided templates for some of these to
> enable you
> to enter and use data unique to you, that which you considered necessary,
> meaning important, which acted upon the Irat score (similar to Wizards
> Wrat).
> Irat was segregated into groupings 100,99,98,97,96, 95-92 and <92 and
> tables
> within the program applied corrections to Irat score depending on what data
> you chose to use.
> Apparently the consensus panel scoring was a strong indicator of the
> worthiness of a runner, the highest adjusted Irat score which is also the
> Irat 100 pointer is another,
> betting the overs provided by the ESP function had good POT%
>
> The ESP followed on from Malcolm Knowles studies printed first up in the
> centre pages of The Wizard. An algorithm was developed that attempted to
> predict a likely sp for all runners.
> There is no simple explanation for it, sorry, but generally it seemed to
> work, at least the price rankings were most often correct, the tried prices
> often on the money. A series of private and public tipster polls were used,
> in addition to other maths that resulted in a price line likely to
> represent
> the order of prices in practice. Using this information in the calculation,
> eg 31% of all runners firm, 61% of all runners ease, 8% of runners do not
> do
> either, fiming runners  account for 53% of all winners, easing runners
> account for 40% of all winners. It was felt, found, that once a runners
> price firmed it would continue at that price, or firm again.
>
> The 'BettingBandido' may have used PicWiz as the basis for his selections,
> and he was making $450 k annually.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tony Moffat [mailto:tonymoffat at bigpond.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 8:38 PM
>
> Data for the PicWiz is still available from The Wizard
>
> Malcolm Knowles and Inracing ceased operation in December 2013. He was
> still
> including PicWiz prices in his data until the end.
>
> Cheers
>
> Tony
>
>
>
>
>
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From norsaintpublishing at gmail.com  Wed Sep 25 23:25:34 2019
From: norsaintpublishing at gmail.com (norsaintpublishing at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 23:25:34 +1000
Subject: [AusRace] Holy Grail
In-Reply-To: <1E3D59A9-3E2A-4FC3-B8BC-E74FEE8104DC@gmail.com>
References: <004c01d57017$1db15fa0$59141ee0$@ozemail.com.au>
	<1E3D59A9-3E2A-4FC3-B8BC-E74FEE8104DC@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJfP4b2v8PK0y0Gx+C5KhG6bnsMwjW3C1u39csL5UU5swiQYqg@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry to hear that Greg.
With regard your new service, at first glance it appears rather expensive.

On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 at 11:31, Greg Conroy <greg.j.conroy at gmail.com> wrote:

> G?day all ?
>
> I think it was Norsaint ? but sure many of you are in the same boat ? that
> mentioned the disgraceful antics that happen to you in the Family Court.
>
> I think punters are over-represented in those stats!
>
> I?m in that boat as well ?
>
> And in order to REINVENT MYSELF (and hide a few $$ from the ex) ? I?ve
> become a very successful tipster ? Australia?s Best, I?d have to say,
> humbly.
>
> You may be interested in what I?ve just launched.
>
> Nothing like anything you?ve seen before. As I DO NOT USE FORM!
>
> Just my mental abilities to study patterns.
>
> The proof is in the pudding ? over 30% POT.
>
> Called the HOLY GRAIL ? as the ONLY way you can win is to have PROFIT and
> VOLUME.
>
> Can read all about it here ?
>
> https://thatsclever.lpages.co/about-holy-grail-club/
>
> Cheers, Greg
>
>
> Greg Conroy, Inventor of Award Winning and Free:
>
> www.rewardbet.com   ? read more: https://about.rewardbet.com/
>
> And author of https://winwithoutform.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Racing mailing list
> Racing at ausrace.com
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From greg.j.conroy at gmail.com  Thu Sep 26 00:30:05 2019
From: greg.j.conroy at gmail.com (Greg Conroy)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 00:30:05 +1000
Subject: [AusRace] Holy Grail
In-Reply-To: <CAJfP4b2v8PK0y0Gx+C5KhG6bnsMwjW3C1u39csL5UU5swiQYqg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <004c01d57017$1db15fa0$59141ee0$@ozemail.com.au>
	<1E3D59A9-3E2A-4FC3-B8BC-E74FEE8104DC@gmail.com>
	<CAJfP4b2v8PK0y0Gx+C5KhG6bnsMwjW3C1u39csL5UU5swiQYqg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9987a9a9-d878-4d8e-b8b7-d8b8668bfb0e@Spark>

Thanks.

I?m advocating for many.

But on SECOND GLANCE you?ll note that my service is the least expensive of the top seven in the country and FOUR TIMES more profitable.

Today we won 46 units.

It?s a common refrain that #punters think things are expensive.

That?s because most are losers with no funds.

And no discipline as well.
On 25 Sep 2019, 11:26 PM +1000, norsaintpublishing at gmail.com <norsaintpublishing at gmail.com>, wrote:
> Sorry to hear that Greg.
> With regard your new service, at first glance it appears rather expensive.
>
> > On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 at 11:31, Greg Conroy <greg.j.conroy at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > G?day all ?
> > >
> > > I think it was Norsaint ? but sure many of you are in the same boat ? that mentioned the disgraceful antics that happen to you in the Family Court.
> > >
> > > I think punters are over-represented in those stats!
> > >
> > > I?m in that boat as well ?
> > >
> > > And in order to REINVENT MYSELF (and hide a few $$ from the ex) ? I?ve become a very successful tipster ? Australia?s Best, I?d have to say, humbly.
> > >
> > > You may be interested in what I?ve just launched.
> > >
> > > Nothing like anything you?ve seen before. As I DO NOT USE FORM!
> > >
> > > Just my mental abilities to study patterns.
> > >
> > > The proof is in the pudding ? over 30% POT.
> > >
> > > Called the HOLY GRAIL ? as the ONLY way you can win is to have PROFIT and VOLUME.
> > >
> > > Can read all about it here ?
> > >
> > > https://thatsclever.lpages.co/about-holy-grail-club/
> > >
> > > Cheers, Greg
> > >
> > >
> > > Greg Conroy, Inventor of Award Winning and Free:
> > >
> > > www.rewardbet.com ??? read more:?https://about.rewardbet.com/
> > >
> > > And author of?https://winwithoutform.com
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Racing mailing list
> > > Racing at ausrace.com
> > > http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com
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From tonymoffat at bigpond.com  Thu Sep 26 10:43:22 2019
From: tonymoffat at bigpond.com (Tony Moffat)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 08:43:22 +0800
Subject: [AusRace] FW:  FW: PicWiz - calculators in racing series
In-Reply-To: <CAJfP4b2FNjPfc9h=ZjZdO0tmoXjRhSVoau7pwvhi0OL4+J9oPw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000a01d5737e$a3987990$eac96cb0$@bigpond.com>
	<CAJfP4b2FNjPfc9h=ZjZdO0tmoXjRhSVoau7pwvhi0OL4+J9oPw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <009a01d57403$66e2c840$34a858c0$@bigpond.com>

Saintly ? the BettingBandido advertised in the ?Canberra Times? ? s/he sold tips through an email service.

The ad stated they had made $450k from quadrellas ? tips cost $10 a day (Saturday?). The byline went

?forget systems, methods, books, calculations, PicWiz, we have used them and we are better.?

Bandido advised they had  ?a winning Wizard? on staff now.

 

Who is Bandido? ? I don?t know. S/he had a GPO box number (Civic GPO) and a phone number and

the isp,  Hallmark? 

 

I asked Malcolm Knowles  and he said he didn?t know them.

 

cheers

 

From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of norsaintpublishing at gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2019 7:57 PM
To: AusRace Racing Discussion List <racing at ausrace.com>
Subject: Re: [AusRace] FW: PicWiz - calculators in racing series

 

Who was the referred to "betting bandito" Tony? 

 

On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 at 18:53, Tony Moffat <tonymoffat at bigpond.com <mailto:tonymoffat at bigpond.com> > wrote:


The first PicWiz was a booklet, and this was followed by a DOS based system
-both of these you entered data manually.

Then PicWiz with ESP (estimated starting price) used Inracing data files to
export/import data into this program and it was semi- automatic after that.
Manual entry was still an option.

snipped


The 'BettingBandido' may have used PicWiz as the basis for their selections,
and s/ he was making $450 k annually.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Moffat [mailto:tonymoffat at bigpond.com <mailto:tonymoffat at bigpond.com> ] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 8:38 PM

Data for the PicWiz is still available from The Wizard

Malcolm Knowles and Inracing ceased operation in December 2013. He was still
including PicWiz prices in his data until the end.

Cheers

Tony





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From lloveday at ozemail.com.au  Sun Sep 29 10:12:33 2019
From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday)
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 10:12:33 +1000
Subject: [AusRace] More on TopBetta
Message-ID: <006701d5765a$97dc5070$c794f150$@ozemail.com.au>

B365 stick rigidly to the various MBLs as is their legal right, and their
software automatically accepts or rejects bets from restricted punters in
accordance.  

 

Other bookmakers have software that accept/reject/partially accept according
to modified criteria - eg SportsBet will stand place to $500 on non-metro
rather than MBL $400, and will bet to that any time, not just MBL times.

 

TopBetta manually decide on all bets I ask for, even when within their
obligated MBL limits, even for $1 on today's Underwood Stakes ($750,000
race) - they reviewed and rejected a small bet just before 9am, and just to
test, I placed one for $1 after 9am, reviewed, accepted.

 

Did the sale of Dynamic Odds to TopBetta go through? There has been a
significant deterioration in the DO site since the sale was announced, but
I've been unable to ascertain if it went through. A bet I tried to place
with TopBetta before 9am through the DO site is still sitting there
"Pending"- TopBetta tell me they rejected it as is their right under MBL,
but all other bookmakers give a message if a bet is rejected. I suspect it
will be accepted after the race if it loses, rejected if it wins, but only
time will tell. 

 

 

LBL

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From greg.j.conroy at gmail.com  Sun Sep 29 10:53:06 2019
From: greg.j.conroy at gmail.com (Greg Conroy)
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 10:53:06 +1000
Subject: [AusRace] Holy Grail
In-Reply-To: <1E3D59A9-3E2A-4FC3-B8BC-E74FEE8104DC@gmail.com>
References: <004c01d57017$1db15fa0$59141ee0$@ozemail.com.au>
	<1E3D59A9-3E2A-4FC3-B8BC-E74FEE8104DC@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d6f5faf1-4da3-49af-845b-d9e0a31ec0ba@Spark>

G?day ? this may spark interest.

We have a $10 a day trial starting next week.

Over 118 UNITS PROFIT since I told you about it the other day.

More here:?https://thatsclever.lpages.co/about-holy-grail-club/


On 25 Sep 2019, 11:31 AM +1000, Greg Conroy <greg.j.conroy at gmail.com>, wrote:
> G?day all ?
>
> I think it was Norsaint ? but sure many of you are in the same boat ? that mentioned the disgraceful antics that happen to you in the Family Court.
>
> I think punters are over-represented in those stats!
>
> I?m in that boat as well ?
>
> And in order to REINVENT MYSELF (and hide a few $$ from the ex) ? I?ve become a very successful tipster ? Australia?s Best, I?d have to say, humbly.
>
> You may be interested in what I?ve just launched.
>
> Nothing like anything you?ve seen before. As I DO NOT USE FORM!
>
> Just my mental abilities to study patterns.
>
> The proof is in the pudding ? over 30% POT.
>
> Called the HOLY GRAIL ? as the ONLY way you can win is to have PROFIT and VOLUME.
>
> Can read all about it here ?
>
> https://thatsclever.lpages.co/about-holy-grail-club/
>
> Cheers, Greg
>
>
> Greg Conroy, Inventor of Award Winning and Free:
>
> www.rewardbet.com ??? read more:?https://about.rewardbet.com/
>
> And author of?https://winwithoutform.com
>
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From robbie at robbiewaterhouse.com  Sun Sep 29 11:03:29 2019
From: robbie at robbiewaterhouse.com (Robbie Waterhouse)
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 11:03:29 +1000
Subject: [AusRace] More on TopBetta
In-Reply-To: <006701d5765a$97dc5070$c794f150$@ozemail.com.au>
References: <006701d5765a$97dc5070$c794f150$@ozemail.com.au>
Message-ID: <03ab01d57661$b5563a10$2002ae30$@robbiewaterhouse.com>

 

B365 stick rigidly to the various MBLs as is their legal right, and their
software automatically accepts or rejects bets from restricted punters in
accordance.  

 

Other bookmakers have software that accept/reject/partially accept according
to modified criteria - eg SportsBet will stand place to $500 on non-metro
rather than MBL $400, and will bet to that any time, not just MBL times.

 

TopBetta manually decide on all bets I ask for, even when within their
obligated MBL limits, even for $1 on today's Underwood Stakes ($750,000
race) - they reviewed and rejected a small bet just before 9am, and just to
test, I placed one for $1 after 9am, reviewed, accepted.

 

Did the sale of Dynamic Odds to TopBetta go through?

Yes, but the betting business on sold.

R

There has been a significant deterioration in the DO site since the sale was
announced, but I've been unable to ascertain if it went through. A bet I
tried to place with TopBetta before 9am through the DO site is still sitting
there "Pending"- TopBetta tell me they rejected it as is their right under
MBL, but all other bookmakers give a message if a bet is rejected. I suspect
it will be accepted after the race if it loses, rejected if it wins, but
only time will tell. 

 

 

LBL

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From nick.aubrey at twonix.com  Sun Sep 29 11:34:24 2019
From: nick.aubrey at twonix.com (nick.aubrey at twonix.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 11:34:24 +1000
Subject: [AusRace] Holy Grail
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References: <004c01d57017$1db15fa0$59141ee0$@ozemail.com.au>
	<1E3D59A9-3E2A-4FC3-B8BC-E74FEE8104DC@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008201d57666$08360f40$18a22dc0$@twonix.com>

Hi Greg,

Good to hear that you have reinvented yourself by launching a tipping service and trying to hide a few $$ from your ex.

But just a word of caution  ? would not any internet and / or social media exposure of your new tipping service invalidate your efforts to keep your extra $$$?s  hidden from the prying eyes of your ex?s lawyers / accountant ?

Would not a better strategy be to punt on the tips yourself ?  Over 30% POT with no dilution from others ? what more could you ask for!

Regards,

AN 

 

 

From: Racing <racing-bounces at ausrace.com> On Behalf Of Greg Conroy
Sent: Wednesday, 25 September 2019 11:31 AM
To: Ausrace Racing <racing at ausrace.com>
Subject: [AusRace] Holy Grail

 

G?day all ?

 

I think it was Norsaint ? but sure many of you are in the same boat ? that mentioned the disgraceful antics that happen to you in the Family Court.

 

I think punters are over-represented in those stats!

 

I?m in that boat as well ? 

 

And in order to REINVENT MYSELF (and hide a few $$ from the ex) ? I?ve become a very successful tipster ? Australia?s Best, I?d have to say, humbly.

 

You may be interested in what I?ve just launched.

 

Nothing like anything you?ve seen before. As I DO NOT USE FORM!

 

Just my mental abilities to study patterns. 

 

The proof is in the pudding ? over 30% POT.

 

Called the HOLY GRAIL ? as the ONLY way you can win is to have PROFIT and VOLUME.

 

Can read all about it here ? 

 

https://thatsclever.lpages.co/about-holy-grail-club/

 

Cheers, Greg

 

 

Greg Conroy, Inventor of Award Winning and Free:

 

www.rewardbet.com <http://www.rewardbet.com>    ? read more: https://about.rewardbet.com/

 

And author of https://winwithoutform.com

 

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From greg.j.conroy at gmail.com  Sun Sep 29 11:38:06 2019
From: greg.j.conroy at gmail.com (Greg Conroy)
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 11:38:06 +1000
Subject: [AusRace] Holy Grail
In-Reply-To: <008201d57666$08360f40$18a22dc0$@twonix.com>
References: <004c01d57017$1db15fa0$59141ee0$@ozemail.com.au>
	<1E3D59A9-3E2A-4FC3-B8BC-E74FEE8104DC@gmail.com>
	<008201d57666$08360f40$18a22dc0$@twonix.com>
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Court case re Assets was Finalised in Federal Circuit Court a couple of months ago ? so all good there.
On 29 Sep 2019, 11:36 AM +1000, nick.aubrey at twonix.com, wrote:
> Hi Greg,
> Good to hear that you have reinvented yourself by launching a tipping service and trying to hide a few $$ from your ex.
> But just a word of caution ?? would not any internet and / or social media exposure of your new tipping service invalidate your efforts to keep your extra $$$?s ?hidden from the prying eyes of your ex?s lawyers / accountant ?
> Would not a better strategy be to punt on the tips yourself ?? Over 30% POT with no dilution from others ? what more could you ask for!
> Regards,
> AN
>
>
> From: Racing <racing-bounces at ausrace.com> On Behalf Of Greg Conroy
> Sent: Wednesday, 25 September 2019 11:31 AM
> To: Ausrace Racing <racing at ausrace.com>
> Subject: [AusRace] Holy Grail
>
> G?day all ?
>
> I think it was Norsaint ? but sure many of you are in the same boat ? that mentioned the disgraceful antics that happen to you in the Family Court.
>
> I think punters are over-represented in those stats!
>
> I?m in that boat as well ?
>
> And in order to REINVENT MYSELF (and hide a few $$ from the ex) ? I?ve become a very successful tipster ? Australia?s Best, I?d have to say, humbly.
>
> You may be interested in what I?ve just launched.
>
> Nothing like anything you?ve seen before. As I DO NOT USE FORM!
>
> Just my mental abilities to study patterns.
>
> The proof is in the pudding ? over 30% POT.
>
> Called the HOLY GRAIL ? as the ONLY way you can win is to have PROFIT and VOLUME.
>
> Can read all about it here ?
>
> https://thatsclever.lpages.co/about-holy-grail-club/
>
> Cheers, Greg
>
>
> Greg Conroy, Inventor of Award Winning and Free:
>
> www.rewardbet.com ??? read more:?https://about.rewardbet.com/
>
> And author of?https://winwithoutform.com
>
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From lloveday at ozemail.com.au  Mon Sep 30 19:32:34 2019
From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday)
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 19:32:34 +1000
Subject: [AusRace] caveat emptor
Message-ID: <004f01d57771$fdd19bc0$f974d340$@ozemail.com.au>

Racing figure guilty of $18m betting fraud

*	By Benita Kolovos
*	Australian Associated Press
*	1:54PM September 30, 2019

Fallen Victorian racing identity Bill Vlahos has admitted to defrauding
punters of almost $18 million across five years in a complex betting ring
fraud.

The 54-year-old pleaded guilty in the County Court on Monday to two charges
of obtaining financial advantage by deception between 2008 and 2013.

Vlahos was initially charged with more than 350 offences but prosecutors
withdrew multiple counts of obtaining financial advantage by deception and
one count of attempting to destroy documents to be used as evidence.

This meant a reduction in the amount of money he was accused of scamming
from $120 million to $17,520,225.

More than 1000 people poured money into Vlahos' syndicate with the promise
of big returns.

The court heard the former BC3 Thoroughbreds chairman would supply gamblers
with 'bet sheets' representing the horses upon which bets were placed, but
put the money into his personal bank account instead.

The syndicate collapsed in December 2013 when punters wanted to cash out.

Prosecutors expect about 68 victims will provide statements to the court
detailing the effect the scam has had on their lives.

Vlahos's bail was extended until a two-day pre-sentence hearing starting on
February 4 before Judge Douglas Trapnell.

His lawyer said his former high-flying client was now broke and did not have
the means to be considered a flight risk.

 

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From greg.j.conroy at gmail.com  Mon Sep 30 21:09:16 2019
From: greg.j.conroy at gmail.com (Greg Conroy)
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 21:09:16 +1000
Subject: [AusRace] caveat emptor
In-Reply-To: <004f01d57771$fdd19bc0$f974d340$@ozemail.com.au>
References: <004f01d57771$fdd19bc0$f974d340$@ozemail.com.au>
Message-ID: <449b7c7c-3900-44b1-80f8-e83017aa9b58@Spark>

Timely:

This is our updated graph ? TRIAL closes tonight.

If ANY of you do better than this, supply evidence which I?ll vet and I?ll give you 3 months FREE.

$10 a day for the trial.

https://thatsclever.lpages.co/about-holy-grail-club/


On 30 Sep 2019, 7:33 PM +1000, L.B.Loveday <lloveday at ozemail.com.au>, wrote:
> Racing figure guilty of $18m betting fraud
>
> ? By Benita Kolovos
> ? Australian Associated Press
> ? 1:54PM September 30, 2019
>
> Fallen Victorian racing identity Bill Vlahos has admitted to defrauding punters of almost $18 million across five years in a complex betting ring fraud.
> The 54-year-old pleaded guilty in the County Court on Monday to two charges of obtaining financial advantage by deception between 2008 and 2013.
> Vlahos was initially charged with more than 350 offences but prosecutors withdrew multiple counts of obtaining financial advantage by deception and one count of attempting to destroy documents to be used as evidence.
> This meant a reduction in the amount of money he was accused of scamming from $120 million to $17,520,225.
> More than 1000 people poured money into Vlahos' syndicate with the promise of big returns.
> The court heard the former BC3 Thoroughbreds chairman would supply gamblers with 'bet sheets' representing the horses upon which bets were placed, but put the money into his personal bank account instead.
> The syndicate collapsed in December 2013 when punters wanted to cash out.
> Prosecutors expect about 68 victims will provide statements to the court detailing the effect the scam has had on their lives.
> Vlahos's bail was extended until a two-day pre-sentence hearing starting on February 4 before Judge Douglas Trapnell.
> His lawyer said his former high-flying client was now broke and did not have the means to be considered a flight risk.
>
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