From lloveday at ozemail.com.au  Wed May  1 14:23:37 2019
From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2019 14:23:37 +1000
Subject: [AusRace] BetEasy criminals
In-Reply-To: <000601d4ff11$f467d780$dd378680$@ozemail.com.au>
References: <000601d4ff11$f467d780$dd378680$@ozemail.com.au>
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Sorted BetEasy out by changing my postal address with them to a less
anti-racing/anti-punter state than SA, and suggest all SA-punters do that
with all accounts, not just BetEasy. That will not have an obvious
individual effect like changing with BE does, but the less immoral tax the
governments take, the more competitive the bookmakers are likely to be (viz
higher prices). If every SA, WA and ACT (15% tax rates) punter does that
those states would receive less tax, and  there is a small chance that
politicians would wake up and drop the tax rate. It started with SA,
introduced by Turbo Tom Koutsantonis, a main challenger to Sarah
Hanson-Young as the least competent politician in Australia, every reason
given by every government is spurious, it is a breach of what was agreed on
when the GST was introduced...

 

 

From: Racing <racing-bounces at ausrace.com> On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday
Sent: Tuesday, 30 April 2019 15:03 PM
To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' <racing at ausrace.com>
Subject: [AusRace] BetEasy criminals

 

>From Minimum Bet Limit regulations:

 

An approved WSP must not do any act or refuse to do any act to avoid
complying with the bet limits, including but not limited to:

1.	Refusing to accept a fixed odds bet
2.	Closing a person's account
3.	Refusing to open a person's account
4.	Placing any restrictions on a person's account in relation to
{state} thoroughbred racing product
5.	Refusing to lay fixed odds to any person when those fixed odds are
publicly displayed
6.	Laying lesser odds to a person than those publicly displayed
7.	Any other act or refusal to do an act in order to avoid these
provisions

 

 Definitions

 

Publicly Displayed has the meaning given to that term in clause 17(3) of the
Betting and Racing

Regulation.

 

& here's 17(3) which defines "publicly displayed":

In this clause:

publicly display odds, means to display odds to the public generally
including, but not limited to:

(a)  on a semaphore board, or

(b)  at an electronic betting terminal, or

(c)  on a website without requiring a person to identify himself or herself
(for example, by requiring a person to log in or to provide personal
information).

 

 

At any time of any day, on every race, BetEasy displays fixed odds on its
web-site which are all reduced when I log in, and on Dynamic Odds' web-site
when I "Submit Bet", the price is always reduced.

 

They do that with the arrogance that comes from knowing that the
authorities, eg Racing NSW, will do NOTHING. Why do they do NOTHING? 

 

 

LBL

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From lloveday at ozemail.com.au  Tue May 14 12:54:20 2019
From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 12:54:20 +1000
Subject: [AusRace] Deduction farce
Message-ID: <003901d50a00$55e5d0e0$01b172a0$@ozemail.com.au>

 

The inequity of fixed-price deductions:

 

Kembla Grange race 1, Sportsbet's place market before the scratching of #2: 

 

 

 

#1       1.35    

 #2       1.07     

 #3       1.30    

 #4       8.00     

 #5       1.90     

 #6       3.90    

 #7      18.00    

 #8       5.50     

 

Which is a typical 359% market.

 

After the scratching of #2, Sportsbet's market, still paying 3 dividends,
was:

 

#1      1.20     0.83

#2    

 #3      1.09     0.92

#4      3.50     0.29

#5      1.35     0.74

#6      2.20     0.45

#7     10.00     0.10

#8      3.90     0.26

Again, a typical 359% market.

 

The deduction for the place was 27%, giving effective prices:

          

 #1       1.35    0.99

#2       1.07    

 #3       1.30    0.95

#4       8.00    5.84 

 #5       1.90    1.39 

 #6       3.90    2.85

#7      18.00   13.14 

 #8       5.50    4.02

 

Giving 364% new market, but hopefully the unfairness of 0.99 and 0.95 is
evident to all!

 

Even at the way top odds I got, 1.90 #1 and 1.50 #3, that comes down to
1.387 and 1.095.

 

Just noted that SB only deducted 24% - I got the 27% from the bookmaker I
backed with.

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From robbie at robwaterhouse.com  Tue May 14 16:23:47 2019
From: robbie at robwaterhouse.com (Rob Waterhouse)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 16:23:47 +1000
Subject: [AusRace] Deduction farce
In-Reply-To: <003901d50a00$55e5d0e0$01b172a0$@ozemail.com.au>
References: <003901d50a00$55e5d0e0$01b172a0$@ozemail.com.au>
Message-ID: <0ece01d50a1d$97647450$c62d5cf0$@robwaterhouse.com>

>From Australian Rules of Racing, Rules of Betting

 

(8) Further provided that, except in the case of a dead heat, no order must
be made the effect of which would oblige a backer to receive less than his
or her stake.

 

From: Racing <racing-bounces at ausrace.com> On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday
Sent: Tuesday, 14 May 2019 12:54 PM
To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' <racing at ausrace.com>
Subject: [AusRace] Deduction farce

 

 

The inequity of fixed-price deductions:

 

Kembla Grange race 1, Sportsbet's place market before the scratching of #2: 

 

 

 

#1       1.35    

 #2       1.07     

 #3       1.30    

 #4       8.00     

 #5       1.90     

 #6       3.90    

 #7      18.00    

 #8       5.50     

 

Which is a typical 359% market.

 

After the scratching of #2, Sportsbet's market, still paying 3 dividends,
was:

 

#1      1.20     0.83

#2    

 #3      1.09     0.92

#4      3.50     0.29

#5      1.35     0.74

#6      2.20     0.45

#7     10.00     0.10

#8      3.90     0.26

 

Again, a typical 359% market.

 

The deduction for the place was 27%, giving effective prices:

          

 #1       1.35    0.99

#2       1.07    

 #3       1.30    0.95

#4       8.00    5.84 

 #5       1.90    1.39 

 #6       3.90    2.85

#7      18.00   13.14 

 #8       5.50    4.02

 

Giving 364% new market, but hopefully the unfairness of 0.99 and 0.95 is
evident to all!

 

Even at the way top odds I got, 1.90 #1 and 1.50 #3, that comes down to
1.387 and 1.095.

 

Just noted that SB only deducted 24% - I got the 27% from the bookmaker I
backed with.

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From lloveday at ozemail.com.au  Tue May 14 17:05:54 2019
From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 17:05:54 +1000
Subject: [AusRace] Deduction farce
In-Reply-To: <0ece01d50a1d$97647450$c62d5cf0$@robwaterhouse.com>
References: <003901d50a00$55e5d0e0$01b172a0$@ozemail.com.au>
	<0ece01d50a1d$97647450$c62d5cf0$@robwaterhouse.com>
Message-ID: <006d01d50a23$7a157f60$6e407e20$@ozemail.com.au>

Thanks for the reminder - I presume that applies to the off-course, on-line
bookies who seemingly make their own rules as to deductions (no specific
order is made it seems) - the 24% Sportsbet compared to 27% Sportsbetting &
TopSport deductions is common. And of course that the corporates follow the
Rules.

 

 

 

From: Racing <racing-bounces at ausrace.com> On Behalf Of Rob Waterhouse
Sent: Tuesday, 14 May 2019 16:24 PM
To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' <racing at ausrace.com>
Subject: Re: [AusRace] Deduction farce

 

>From Australian Rules of Racing, Rules of Betting

 

(8) Further provided that, except in the case of a dead heat, no order must
be made the effect of which would oblige a backer to receive less than his
or her stake.

 

From: Racing <racing-bounces at ausrace.com <mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com>
> On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday
Sent: Tuesday, 14 May 2019 12:54 PM
To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' <racing at ausrace.com
<mailto:racing at ausrace.com> >
Subject: [AusRace] Deduction farce

 

 

The inequity of fixed-price deductions:

 

Kembla Grange race 1, Sportsbet's place market before the scratching of #2: 

 

 

 

#1       1.35    

 #2       1.07     

 #3       1.30    

 #4       8.00     

 #5       1.90     

 #6       3.90    

 #7      18.00    

 #8       5.50     

 

Which is a typical 359% market.

 

After the scratching of #2, Sportsbet's market, still paying 3 dividends,
was:

 

#1      1.20     0.83

#2    

 #3      1.09     0.92

#4      3.50     0.29

#5      1.35     0.74

#6      2.20     0.45

#7     10.00     0.10

#8      3.90     0.26

 

Again, a typical 359% market.

 

The deduction for the place was 27%, giving effective prices:

          

 #1       1.35    0.99

#2       1.07    

 #3       1.30    0.95

#4       8.00    5.84 

 #5       1.90    1.39 

 #6       3.90    2.85

#7      18.00   13.14 

 #8       5.50    4.02

 

Giving 364% new market, but hopefully the unfairness of 0.99 and 0.95 is
evident to all!

 

Even at the way top odds I got, 1.90 #1 and 1.50 #3, that comes down to
1.387 and 1.095.

 

Just noted that SB only deducted 24% - I got the 27% from the bookmaker I
backed with.

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From lloveday at ozemail.com.au  Wed May 15 10:58:50 2019
From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 10:58:50 +1000
Subject: [AusRace] Deduction farce
In-Reply-To: <0ece01d50a1d$97647450$c62d5cf0$@robwaterhouse.com>
References: <003901d50a00$55e5d0e0$01b172a0$@ozemail.com.au>
	<0ece01d50a1d$97647450$c62d5cf0$@robwaterhouse.com>
Message-ID: <008101d50ab9$5dd49ca0$197dd5e0$@ozemail.com.au>

If the punters were paid $1.00 for #1 and #3, it still remains a travesty,
showing that the deductions do not work as they should, as indicated by
Sportsbet offering 1.20 & 1.09 in their adjusted markets, to the same 359%
as pre-scratching, which are infinitely better than 1.00.

 

When I was betting in the ring, the deductions were announced as "For the
win, x% from the face value of the ticket and for the place y% from winnings
only", which ensured every winning place ticket won. I don't know whether
the same still applies, but do know that no similar order is made wrt
corporates, as they all make their own determinations, often varying
dramatically - 27% vs 24% is to me wrong, but far from the greatest
discrepancy I've seen.

 

If you look around, you can find a list of deductions, but they vary -
without searching for wide discrepancies, the deductions for the scratching
of an even-money shot are:

 

Sportsbet  40% Win, 22% 3-place, 32% 2-place, while Sportingbet has 42, 25,
35, TAB 47, 25, 35 

 

For a 12/1 pop, B365 claim they make no deduction, TAB 7%, Sportsbet 4%,
Sportingbet 5%...

 

But it can be far worse as they get to determine the odds of the scratched
horse. I don't have an acceptable solution that does not involve a
bureaucracy cost for that issue, but surely the deduction tables should be
standard. 

 

TAB just pay whatever they deem you are due, and as far as I've been able to
tell, never show the deduction, leaving you to calculate, eg, 528/550 = 0.96
so the deduction was 4%, go to their table and try to determine what price
they deemed the scratching to be.

 

There were 3 late scratchings in one race and B365 paid me less a massive
deduction, I rang asking for the deduction breakdown, to be told she would
not tell me and "anyway, you got better than top tote"; ignorance,
arrogance, both?

 

I complained to NTRC and for the first and only time they did the correct
thing and soon after I got a ring from B365 giving me the breakdown.

 

 

 

 

From: Racing <racing-bounces at ausrace.com> On Behalf Of Rob Waterhouse
Sent: Tuesday, 14 May 2019 16:24 PM
To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' <racing at ausrace.com>
Subject: Re: [AusRace] Deduction farce

 

>From Australian Rules of Racing, Rules of Betting

 

(8) Further provided that, except in the case of a dead heat, no order must
be made the effect of which would oblige a backer to receive less than his
or her stake.

 

From: Racing <racing-bounces at ausrace.com <mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com>
> On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday
Sent: Tuesday, 14 May 2019 12:54 PM
To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' <racing at ausrace.com
<mailto:racing at ausrace.com> >
Subject: [AusRace] Deduction farce

 

 

The inequity of fixed-price deductions:

 

Kembla Grange race 1, Sportsbet's place market before the scratching of #2: 

 

 

 

#1       1.35    

 #2       1.07     

 #3       1.30    

 #4       8.00     

 #5       1.90     

 #6       3.90    

 #7      18.00    

 #8       5.50     

 

Which is a typical 359% market.

 

After the scratching of #2, Sportsbet's market, still paying 3 dividends,
was:

 

#1      1.20     0.83

#2    

 #3      1.09     0.92

#4      3.50     0.29

#5      1.35     0.74

#6      2.20     0.45

#7     10.00     0.10

#8      3.90     0.26

 

Again, a typical 359% market.

 

The deduction for the place was 27%, giving effective prices:

          

 #1       1.35    0.99

#2       1.07    

 #3       1.30    0.95

#4       8.00    5.84 

 #5       1.90    1.39 

 #6       3.90    2.85

#7      18.00   13.14 

 #8       5.50    4.02

 

Giving 364% new market, but hopefully the unfairness of 0.99 and 0.95 is
evident to all!

 

Even at the way top odds I got, 1.90 #1 and 1.50 #3, that comes down to
1.387 and 1.095.

 

Just noted that SB only deducted 24% - I got the 27% from the bookmaker I
backed with.

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From lloveday at ozemail.com.au  Fri May 24 06:45:37 2019
From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 06:45:37 +1000
Subject: [AusRace] Sport of kings rocked by horse owner's
	multimillion-dollar cocaine ring arrest
Message-ID: <001f01d511a8$7b8131a0$728394e0$@ozemail.com.au>


Sport of kings rocked by horse owner's multimillion-dollar cocaine ring
arrest


Mark Morri <https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/journalists/mark-morri> , Nick
Hansen and Campbell Gellie, The Daily Telegraph

May 24, 2019 5:04am

Subscriber only

*  

Some of the state's top horses could be held under court order by the NSW
Crime Commission as it investigates a leading racing identity's alleged
links to a multimillion-dollar cocaine ring.

Former baggage handler Damion Flower is alleged to have teamed up with an
ex-colleague and another man as part of a plot to smuggle the drugs through
Sydney Airport.

The 47-year-old, a part-owner of renowned racehorse Snitzel, To Oto O Junior
Mafiti, 50, and Ashoor Youkhana, 42, have been charged over their alleged
roles in an international cocaine syndicate, which is claimed to have
imported drugs worth tens of millions of dollars.



Camilla Flower leaves Liverpool Local Court. Picture: Liam Driver

Damion Flower.

The Daily Telegraph can reveal the powerful NSW Crime Commission is set to
lodge an application in the NSW Supreme Court to freeze all of Flower's
assets, including his racehorses.

The application would, if successful, stop him from selling any interests in
the horses, but would not necessarily prevent them being trained or raced.

The ex-Waverley College student paid $2.4 million for barrier slots in four
consecutive instalments of the prestigious annual The Everest, the world's
richest race on turf.

Racing NSW chief executive Peter V'landys said industry participants could
be banned if they were deemed to have brought the sport into disrepute.

"At Racing NSW, we have always had a no-fault stand-down rule similar to the
NRL, where we reject nominations from anyone who we think is not acting in
the best interests of racing,'' Mr V'landys said.

"Racing NSW also has options in regards to The Everest slot, but we need to
consider all the information first so we can make informed decisions on this
matter.''

To Oto O Junior Mafiti, 50, from Oran Park, was allegedly using his airside
access to import cocaine through the baggage holds of commercial flights.

It is understood that when he was arrested, Flower owed $2.4 million for
four yearlings he bought last month at the Inglis Easter sales.

Flower was arrested at his Moorebank home at 5pm on Wednesday, taken to
Liverpool police station and charged with six counts of importing a
commercial quantity of a border-controlled drug.

At the same time, Qantas baggage handler Mafiti was arrested at the airport,
allegedly with 28kg of cocaine in a bag. He was charged with five counts of
importing a commercial quantity of a border-controlled drug.

Neither of the men applied for bail in brief court appearances on Thursday,
where Flower's wife Camilla sobbed before her husband was brought up from
the cells at Liverpool Local Court.

Damien Flower and his wife Camilla, in 2005.Racehorse Snitzel ridden by
jockey Glen Boss is led back to the scale by owner Damion Flower (left)
after winning Strawberry Hill Stud Slipper at Wyong.

It is alleged Mafiti, from Oran Park, was using his privileged access to
import cocaine through the baggage holds of commercial flights. Flower, who
is intending to plead not guilty, was allegedly seen by police with Mafiti
when the drugs were dropped off after being removed from the planes.

The syndicate is alleged to have used Qantas flights from South Africa -
including QF64 on Wednesday - to import the drugs.

Flower has been charged over alleged importations of cocaine on May 22,
April 15, March 15, February 12, January 29 and January 22.

Their arrests come more than a month after Youkhana, from Middleton Grange,
was arrested in a car near Sydney Airport, allegedly in possession of a
duffel bag containing 27kg of cocaine in vacuum-sealed packages wrapped in
black and silver paper. He has been charged, in relation to the syndicate,
with one count of trafficking in a commercial quantity of a controlled drug.

About $8 million in cash was seized at Hoxton Park

A major police operation swooped on homes and storage units in Hoxton Park,
Oran Park, Moorebank and Revesby yesterday, with police allegedly seizing
more than 50kg of cocaine and $8 million cash.

Flower's arrest has rocked Australia's thoroughbred racing community. He is
a high-profile identity in the sport who has shares in more than 50 horses
trained by Brad Widdup at Platinum Park at Hawkesbury.

Flower first came to prominence as the owner of the outstanding sprinter
Snitzel, winner of seven races including the Group 1 OakIeigh Plate in 2005,
earning more than $1 million prize money.

In the 2017 Everest race he entered a horse called Totally Innocent, which
finished eighth.

Damion Flower, owner of Golden Slipper favourite Snitzel, in Martin Place.
Picture: AAP

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From seanmac4321 at gmail.com  Fri May 24 09:21:10 2019
From: seanmac4321 at gmail.com (sean mclaren)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 09:21:10 +1000
Subject: [AusRace] Sport of kings rocked by horse owner's
 multimillion-dollar cocaine ring arrest
In-Reply-To: <001f01d511a8$7b8131a0$728394e0$@ozemail.com.au>
References: <001f01d511a8$7b8131a0$728394e0$@ozemail.com.au>
Message-ID: <CAOBDE-SoCpBAFQrw5A1CFhg24yyV-5xTPVG1N7fT=V+E-A0hZw@mail.gmail.com>

and he was a former baggage handler himself ..... that i didn't know.

thanks Len again for a further insight

On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 6:46 AM L.B.Loveday <lloveday at ozemail.com.au> wrote:

> Sport of kings rocked by horse owner?s multimillion-dollar cocaine ring
> arrest
>
> Mark Morri <https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/journalists/mark-morri>,
> Nick Hansen and Campbell Gellie, The Daily Telegraph
>
> May 24, 2019 5:04am
>
> Subscriber only
>
> ?
>
> Some of the state?s top horses could be held under court order by the NSW
> Crime Commission as it investigates a leading racing identity?s alleged
> links to a multimillion-dollar cocaine ring.
>
> Former baggage handler Damion Flower is alleged to have teamed up with an
> ex-colleague and another man as part of a plot to smuggle the drugs through
> Sydney Airport.
>
> The 47-year-old, a part-owner of renowned racehorse Snitzel, To Oto O
> Junior Mafiti, 50, and Ashoor Youkhana, 42, have been charged over their
> alleged roles in an international cocaine syndicate, which is claimed to
> have imported drugs worth tens of millions of dollars.
>
> [image:
> https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/805ab6a16da743faaaa3165a87411fc9?width=316]
>
> Camilla Flower leaves Liverpool Local Court. Picture: Liam Driver[image:
> https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/22ecc0f3f8ac674e109ce29aeec5e41b?width=316]
>
> Damion Flower.
>
> The Daily Telegraph can reveal the powerful NSW Crime Commission is set to
> lodge an application in the NSW Supreme Court to freeze all of Flower?s
> assets, including his racehorses.
>
> The application would, if successful, stop him from selling any interests
> in the horses, but would not necessarily prevent them being trained or
> raced.
>
> The ex-Waverley College student paid $2.4 million for barrier slots in
> four consecutive instalments of the prestigious annual The Everest, the
> world?s richest race on turf.
>
> Racing NSW chief executive Peter V?landys said industry participants could
> be banned if they were deemed to have brought the sport into disrepute.
>
> ?At Racing NSW, we have always had a no-fault stand-down rule similar to
> the NRL, where we reject nominations from anyone who we think is not acting
> in the best interests of racing,?? Mr V?landys said.
>
> ?Racing NSW also has options in regards to The Everest slot, but we need
> to consider all the information first so we can make informed decisions on
> this matter.??
>
> [image:
> https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/6e2b1bf3317d45534305a35e5a793ddb?width=1024]To
> Oto O Junior Mafiti, 50, from Oran Park, was allegedly using his airside
> access to import cocaine through the baggage holds of commercial flights.
>
> It is understood that when he was arrested, Flower owed $2.4 million for
> four yearlings he bought last month at the Inglis Easter sales.
>
> Flower was arrested at his Moorebank home at 5pm on Wednesday, taken to
> Liverpool police station and charged with six counts of importing a
> commercial quantity of a border-controlled drug.
>
> At the same time, Qantas baggage handler Mafiti was arrested at the
> airport, allegedly with 28kg of cocaine in a bag. He was charged with five
> counts of importing a commercial quantity of a border-controlled drug.
>
> Neither of the men applied for bail in brief court appearances on
> Thursday, where Flower?s wife Camilla sobbed before her husband was brought
> up from the cells at Liverpool Local Court.
>
> [image:
> https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/261e3ab9c39edaa598d14f94f4a9a7b5?width=1024]Damien
> Flower and his wife Camilla, in 2005.[image:
> https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/d373d5e3da27b306300f3f482570a53c?width=1024]Racehorse
> Snitzel ridden by jockey Glen Boss is led back to the scale by owner Damion
> Flower (left) after winning Strawberry Hill Stud Slipper at Wyong.
>
> It is alleged Mafiti, from Oran Park, was using his privileged access to
> import cocaine through the baggage holds of commercial flights. Flower, who
> is intending to plead not guilty, was allegedly seen by police with Mafiti
> when the drugs were dropped off after being removed from the planes.
>
> The syndicate is alleged to have used Qantas flights from South Africa ?
> including QF64 on Wednesday ? to import the drugs.
>
> Flower has been charged over alleged importations of cocaine on May 22,
> April 15, March 15, February 12, January 29 and January 22.
>
> Their arrests come more than a month after Youkhana, from Middleton
> Grange, was arrested in a car near Sydney Airport, allegedly in possession
> of a duffel bag containing 27kg of cocaine in vacuum-sealed packages
> wrapped in black and silver paper. He has been charged, in relation to the
> syndicate, with one count of trafficking in a commercial quantity of a
> controlled drug.
>
> [image:
> https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/61dea003284f1f49b76e1a5e52465259?width=1024]About
> $8 million in cash was seized at Hoxton Park
>
> A major police operation swooped on homes and storage units in Hoxton
> Park, Oran Park, Moorebank and Revesby yesterday, with police allegedly
> seizing more than 50kg of cocaine and $8 million cash.
>
> Flower?s arrest has rocked Australia?s thoroughbred racing community. He
> is a high-profile identity in the sport who has shares in more than 50
> horses trained by Brad Widdup at Platinum Park at Hawkesbury.
>
> Flower first came to prominence as the owner of the outstanding sprinter
> Snitzel, winner of seven races including the Group 1 OakIeigh Plate in
> 2005, earning more than $1 million prize money.
>
> In the 2017 Everest race he entered a horse called Totally Innocent, which
> finished eighth.
>
> [image:
> https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/8a60af21c4817e6020f98290e1f0c942?width=1024]Damion
> Flower, owner of Golden Slipper favourite Snitzel, in Martin Place.
> Picture: AAP
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From tonymoffat at bigpond.com  Sat May 25 21:06:45 2019
From: tonymoffat at bigpond.com (Tony Moffat)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2019 19:06:45 +0800
Subject: [AusRace] Manfroi Methods
Message-ID: <000801d512e9$f1b10d90$d51328b0$@bigpond.com>

If it reads messy try restore line breaks 

Mr Manfroi was a gambling tutor in Melbourne in the 60's. He had an office
at 364 Lonsdale Street and a class room there. 

You could learn card counting (THE thing then), any number of card games,
board games, Monte Carlo casino style games (it's in the brochure) and
towards the end there was poker machine manipulation (the working of the
handle when the wheels were in motion - pre electro-mechanical days) and the
course concluded with a visit to the border and a weekend membership to a
club, with pokies, meals, accommodation and return. 

All of that is fine, but he also had a horse racing betting course, and I
have the texts for that.

(1)Introduction and Odds
(2) Choosing the Race - his methods appear to be centred on Sydney racing
(3) Choosing the Runners - five methods are indicated - (a) discern runners
by average numbers of life time starts. (b) sort these through an 'average'
prizemoney allocation (total prizemoney/total places). Or (c) - examine the
runners last ten starts, sort the best finish in a race for 5 runs for that
runner, determine the best of the field, out to fourth ranking (or more). To
clarify, examine the last ten starts, determine the best 5 runs out of that
ten, rank that, and do that for each runner. Manfroi sums the finish
positions of the best 5 runs ( say 5,4,1,1,3 = 5+4+1+1+3 = 14) and ranks
each runner from that.

The best (1st ranking) would be 1,1,1,1,1 = 1+1+1+1+1+1 = five. This is
fining down the field to determine selections for further examination.

In the samples given I have multiplied the finish positions and ranked the
product after that to get the runner choices. It has been explained to me
that this is a stronger method of involving choices (and precluding them, if
required)
MR6 - selected 6, 2 + 17, 9+18, 14. Winner 18, 2nd 9, 3rd 17, 4th 6 - too
many runners!
MR7 - selected 5,4,6,2. winner 4, 2nd 6, missed 3rd
MR8 - selected 2,1, 13,12, 3 .. winner 2, 2nd 12, 3rd 1,4th 3
MR9- fail, selected horse 2, 3+4, 8, 9.. winner ranked 11 

The method selected the last 5 winners at Eagle Farm, 3 winners from the
last four at Randwick, 7 from 8 winners at Belmont, winners and quinellas
from everywhere, except SA.

The next chapter is (4) Backing your Selections and is as you would expect,
multiple runners, use of place, etc.

Mr Manfroi limit weight system was one of several from the time (think
Plante et al) and he uses the top weight as the basis for this. Handicappers
are dictated to about the limit weights they allot and this means a runner
gets more weight than it has earnt - 'overclassed' it is called, and it
muddies any calculation that is weight based, eg a 54 kg 5th in a qualifying
run on a 61kg upper weight means that runner needs the top weight to carry
more next start, next race, in order to advance, which is unlikely (meaning
the increase). A decrease in the top weight might mean the top weight moving
away, again.

Tomorrow 26/05/2019
The Hurdle MR2: 1,4,9,2
Australian Hurdle MR3: 1,2,5,3
Australian Steeple: MR4: 4,3,5,2
MR5: 1,2+11,20,4
MR6: 2,8,6,5
MR7: 4+6,10,2,11
Nowra R7: 6,2,12,4




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From lloveday at ozemail.com.au  Thu May 30 07:09:32 2019
From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 07:09:32 +1000
Subject: [AusRace] (no subject)
Message-ID: <000601d51662$d13671f0$73a355d0$@ozemail.com.au>


Conman 'jockey' Christopher Woods rides back into town


Mark Morri, The Daily Telegraph

May 29, 2019 7:30pm

Subscriber only

*  

 

One of Sydney's most colourful conman is back in town after being released
from an American jail where he served four years for a multimillion-dollar
mortgage fraud scheme.

Christopher Woods lived the life of a millionaire, mostly on other people's
money, claiming to be one of the world's top jockeys.



Christopher Woods was able to scam millions of dollars posing as a champion
jockey. File picture

In reality, the boy from a Maroubra housing commission estate was a Randwick
stablehand for a short time, but was able to convince people he was a
Melbourne Cup-winning rider.

He ripped off punters by saying he could give them a sure thing at the races
because he was in on the "fix''.

"He has probably gone through $20 or $30 million of others people's money,"
retired Detective Inspector Mark Smith told True Crime Australia
<http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/truecrimeaustralia> 's Police Tape
podcast.

"I've known him probably 30 or more years."

Woods liked to live a life of luxury - on other people's money. File picture

His favourite story is when Woods found himself in strife for giving some
big time punters in Sydney the wrong information on some horses.

He spent the next three days being chauffeur-driven around the city in a
gold Rolls-Royce, but unfortunately for him he was tied up in the boot, and
the chauffeurs were Sydney criminals Adrian Kay and "Bob the Basher" Rakich.

Every so often Rakich would drag Woods out of the boot, give him a belting
and then stuff him back in the boot of the Roller.

"It was a colourful time,'' Smith said.

 

While Woods is still alive, Rakich and Kay were not so lucky. Rakich died
when he crashed a Ferrari in the eastern suburbs in 1986. Later that year,
Kay was shot dead at his Kings Cross hotel, King Arthur's Court.

 

Smith said Woods loved the high life. When in America he lived in the best
hotels and put everything on his black American Express card.

"He would get on a plane and would turn left - never right - into first
class. It's the only way he flew.''

 

Smith once spoke to the con artist about his lifestyle and asked what he
would do if he was down to his last $10.

"I wouldn't bother with food, I'd probably just go get a tan," was the
answer. "He was a narcissist," said Smith.

In 2012, Woods, then 53, was sentenced to four years in a federal prison in
California and ordered to repay more than $3 million for his part in a
mortgage fraud scheme, but he is now back in Australia.

Smith said he saw him recently on a bus in Sydney's eastern suburbs. "I
couldn't be bothered talking to him. He was a parasite who lived off other
people."

 

 

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From seanmac4321 at gmail.com  Thu May 30 13:45:55 2019
From: seanmac4321 at gmail.com (sean mclaren)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 13:45:55 +1000
Subject: [AusRace] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <000601d51662$d13671f0$73a355d0$@ozemail.com.au>
References: <000601d51662$d13671f0$73a355d0$@ozemail.com.au>
Message-ID: <CAOBDE-Rebw21kU46BRqzT0B28+QPGy5M0vHDafN8zptHGd40dQ@mail.gmail.com>

thanks for that Len .... good read and breaks the day for me

On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 7:10 AM L.B.Loveday <lloveday at ozemail.com.au> wrote:

> Conman ?jockey? Christopher Woods rides back into town
>
> Mark Morri, The Daily Telegraph
>
> May 29, 2019 7:30pm
>
> Subscriber only
>
> ?
>
>
>
> One of Sydney?s most colourful conman is back in town after being released
> from an American jail where he served four years for a multimillion-dollar
> mortgage fraud scheme.
>
> Christopher Woods lived the life of a millionaire, mostly on other
> people?s money, claiming to be one of the world?s top jockeys.
>
> [image:
> https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/f93561b0d364cceab4b27ccdbf63d75a?width=650]
>
> Christopher Woods was able to scam millions of dollars posing as a
> champion jockey. File picture
>
> In reality, the boy from a Maroubra housing commission estate was a
> Randwick stablehand for a short time, but was able to convince people he
> was a Melbourne Cup-winning rider.
>
> He ripped off punters by saying he could give them a sure thing at the
> races because he was in on the ?fix??.
>
> ?He has probably gone through $20 or $30 million of others people?s
> money,? retired Detective Inspector Mark Smith told True Crime Australia
> <http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/truecrimeaustralia>?s Police Tape
> podcast.
>
> ?I?ve known him probably 30 or more years.?
>
> [image:
> https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/02177cae611ba5390f42896bff2dd04a?width=650]Woods
> liked to live a life of luxury ? on other people?s money. File picture
>
> His favourite story is when Woods found himself in strife for giving some
> big time punters in Sydney the wrong information on some horses.
>
> He spent the next three days being chauffeur-driven around the city in a
> gold Rolls-Royce, but unfortunately for him he was tied up in the boot, and
> the chauffeurs were Sydney criminals Adrian Kay and ?Bob the Basher? Rakich.
>
> Every so often Rakich would drag Woods out of the boot, give him a belting
> and then stuff him back in the boot of the Roller.
>
> ?It was a colourful time,?? Smith said.
>
>
>
> While Woods is still alive, Rakich and Kay were not so lucky. Rakich died
> when he crashed a Ferrari in the eastern suburbs in 1986. Later that year,
> Kay was shot dead at his Kings Cross hotel, King Arthur?s Court.
>
>
>
> Smith said Woods loved the high life. When in America he lived in the best
> hotels and put everything on his black American Express card.
>
> ?He would get on a plane and would turn left ? never right ? into first
> class. It?s the only way he flew.??
>
>
>
> Smith once spoke to the con artist about his lifestyle and asked what he
> would do if he was down to his last $10.
>
> ?I wouldn?t bother with food, I?d probably just go get a tan,? was the
> answer. ?He was a narcissist,? said Smith.
>
> In 2012, Woods, then 53, was sentenced to four years in a federal prison
> in California and ordered to repay more than $3 million for his part in a
> mortgage fraud scheme, but he is now back in Australia.
>
> Smith said he saw him recently on a bus in Sydney?s eastern suburbs. ?I
> couldn?t be bothered talking to him. He was a parasite who lived off other
> people.?
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Racing mailing list
> Racing at ausrace.com
> http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com
>
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From robbie at robwaterhouse.com  Fri May 31 09:41:27 2019
From: robbie at robwaterhouse.com (Rob Waterhouse)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 09:41:27 +1000
Subject: [AusRace] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <000601d51662$d13671f0$73a355d0$@ozemail.com.au>
References: <000601d51662$d13671f0$73a355d0$@ozemail.com.au>
Message-ID: <071a01d51741$364285a0$a2c790e0$@robwaterhouse.com>

I have seen him twice, oddly.

 

Rob W

 

From: Racing <racing-bounces at ausrace.com> On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday
Sent: Thursday, 30 May 2019 7:10 AM
To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' <racing at ausrace.com>
Subject: [AusRace] (no subject)

 


Conman 'jockey' Christopher Woods rides back into town


Mark Morri, The Daily Telegraph

May 29, 2019 7:30pm

Subscriber only

*  

 

One of Sydney's most colourful conman is back in town after being released
from an American jail where he served four years for a multimillion-dollar
mortgage fraud scheme.

Christopher Woods lived the life of a millionaire, mostly on other people's
money, claiming to be one of the world's top jockeys.



Christopher Woods was able to scam millions of dollars posing as a champion
jockey. File picture

In reality, the boy from a Maroubra housing commission estate was a Randwick
stablehand for a short time, but was able to convince people he was a
Melbourne Cup-winning rider.

He ripped off punters by saying he could give them a sure thing at the races
because he was in on the "fix''.

"He has probably gone through $20 or $30 million of others people's money,"
retired Detective Inspector Mark Smith told True Crime Australia
<http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/truecrimeaustralia> 's Police Tape
podcast.

"I've known him probably 30 or more years."

Woods liked to live a life of luxury - on other people's money. File picture

His favourite story is when Woods found himself in strife for giving some
big time punters in Sydney the wrong information on some horses.

He spent the next three days being chauffeur-driven around the city in a
gold Rolls-Royce, but unfortunately for him he was tied up in the boot, and
the chauffeurs were Sydney criminals Adrian Kay and "Bob the Basher" Rakich.

Every so often Rakich would drag Woods out of the boot, give him a belting
and then stuff him back in the boot of the Roller.

"It was a colourful time,'' Smith said.

 

While Woods is still alive, Rakich and Kay were not so lucky. Rakich died
when he crashed a Ferrari in the eastern suburbs in 1986. Later that year,
Kay was shot dead at his Kings Cross hotel, King Arthur's Court.

 

Smith said Woods loved the high life. When in America he lived in the best
hotels and put everything on his black American Express card.

"He would get on a plane and would turn left - never right - into first
class. It's the only way he flew.''

 

Smith once spoke to the con artist about his lifestyle and asked what he
would do if he was down to his last $10.

"I wouldn't bother with food, I'd probably just go get a tan," was the
answer. "He was a narcissist," said Smith.

In 2012, Woods, then 53, was sentenced to four years in a federal prison in
California and ordered to repay more than $3 million for his part in a
mortgage fraud scheme, but he is now back in Australia.

Smith said he saw him recently on a bus in Sydney's eastern suburbs. "I
couldn't be bothered talking to him. He was a parasite who lived off other
people."

 

 

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From norsaintpublishing at gmail.com  Fri May 31 14:59:51 2019
From: norsaintpublishing at gmail.com (norsaintpublishing at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 14:59:51 +1000
Subject: [AusRace] Query
Message-ID: <CAJfP4b22SaT+mQO2VbbwzG0zyocXcuZb1ogSdB2wHeHwG36O4Q@mail.gmail.com>

Just wondering if anyone can confirm whether or not I've finally made it.
Beteasy don't seem to be offering any bet boosts this week or is that
across the board?
It seems very strange. I'd just about run that account into the ground,
fluked a couple of collects over the past fortnight and now can't get any
cream?
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From lloveday at ozemail.com.au  Fri May 31 15:46:22 2019
From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 15:46:22 +1000
Subject: [AusRace] Query
In-Reply-To: <CAJfP4b22SaT+mQO2VbbwzG0zyocXcuZb1ogSdB2wHeHwG36O4Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJfP4b22SaT+mQO2VbbwzG0zyocXcuZb1ogSdB2wHeHwG36O4Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003501d51774$2f1750c0$8d45f240$@ozemail.com.au>

Nick,

 

I can confirm that I've never received a bet boost from Crown/Beteasy and Bonus bets are a thing of the long past. It's hard enough to get a bet on - WA never no way.

 

Does anyone know who uses +61472881184? He/she/non-binary thingy texted me offering a Deposit Match of $3000 "from the top 5 bookmakers in Australia", I accepted and received the reply "we will send you the best offer available within the next 12 hours". End of conversation. I could not find the number's owners with Reverse Lookup sites and when I ring, I get the Telstra message "disconnected".

 

LBL

 

 

From: Racing <racing-bounces at ausrace.com> On Behalf Of norsaintpublishing at gmail.com
Sent: Friday, 31 May 2019 15:00 PM
To: AusRace Racing Discussion List <racing at ausrace.com>
Subject: [AusRace] Query

 

Just wondering if anyone can confirm whether or not I've finally made it.

Beteasy don't seem to be offering any bet boosts this week or is that across the board?

It seems very strange. I'd just about run that account into the ground, fluked a couple of collects over the past fortnight and now can't get any cream?

 

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From mikemcbain at tpg.com.au  Fri May 31 16:26:53 2019
From: mikemcbain at tpg.com.au (mikemcbain at tpg.com.au)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 16:26:53 +1000
Subject: [AusRace] Query
In-Reply-To: <003501d51774$2f1750c0$8d45f240$@ozemail.com.au>
References: <CAJfP4b22SaT+mQO2VbbwzG0zyocXcuZb1ogSdB2wHeHwG36O4Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<003501d51774$2f1750c0$8d45f240$@ozemail.com.au>
Message-ID: <002201d51779$d70665a0$851330e0$@tpg.com.au>

Len

 

My offer came from ?.

https://www.sportsaffiliategroup.com/

 

Their web site has the following message on it today?

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT: I would like to thank all our subscribers for the awesome response, and your deal will be coming soon. Hang in There!

 

Looks like a pretty shifty group. When I tried to block their sms there seemed to be  a block on my reply?

 

Mike.

 

 

From: Racing <racing-bounces at ausrace.com> On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday
Sent: Friday, 31 May 2019 15:46
To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' <racing at ausrace.com>
Subject: Re: [AusRace] Query

 

Nick,

 

I can confirm that I've never received a bet boost from Crown/Beteasy and Bonus bets are a thing of the long past. It's hard enough to get a bet on - WA never no way.

 

Does anyone know who uses +61472881184? He/she/non-binary thingy texted me offering a Deposit Match of $3000 "from the top 5 bookmakers in Australia", I accepted and received the reply "we will send you the best offer available within the next 12 hours". End of conversation. I could not find the number's owners with Reverse Lookup sites and when I ring, I get the Telstra message "disconnected".

 

LBL

 

 

From: Racing <racing-bounces at ausrace.com <mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com> > On Behalf Of norsaintpublishing at gmail.com <mailto:norsaintpublishing at gmail.com> 
Sent: Friday, 31 May 2019 15:00 PM
To: AusRace Racing Discussion List <racing at ausrace.com <mailto:racing at ausrace.com> >
Subject: [AusRace] Query

 

Just wondering if anyone can confirm whether or not I've finally made it.

Beteasy don't seem to be offering any bet boosts this week or is that across the board?

It seems very strange. I'd just about run that account into the ground, fluked a couple of collects over the past fortnight and now can't get any cream?

 

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From lloveday at ozemail.com.au  Fri May 31 16:37:55 2019
From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 16:37:55 +1000
Subject: [AusRace] POC
Message-ID: <004401d5177b$64839960$2d8acc20$@ozemail.com.au>

I've restricted this to races bet on Dynamic Odds (pretty well all TAB
meetings) with >=8 runners, and no late scratchings - I've no way of telling
whether SP markets are with the scratching in or not.

 

 



	
		
 

	
								
									
									
									
									
									
									
									
									
									
									
									
									
									
									
									
									
									
									
									
									
									

 


The adoption of SOP caused the market% to drop, bottoming in 11/2017. Then
came the immoral POC tax and markets% rose. The losers are of course and
inevitably punters, who get shorter prices offered. $100s of millions of our
money going into politician's hand to be squandered.

 

POC was the signature legislation of SA's "Turbo Tom" (he had more speeding
fines in a year than I've had in 55) Koutsantonis, the main challenger to
Sarah Hanson-Young as the thickest pollie in Australia, and spread like a
malevolent virus.

 

And here's an indication of what the POC has done to early markets% over the
same period (I collect them between 8 & 9am).

 



 

 

 

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From norsaintpublishing at gmail.com  Fri May 31 17:24:24 2019
From: norsaintpublishing at gmail.com (norsaintpublishing at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 17:24:24 +1000
Subject: [AusRace] Query
In-Reply-To: <003501d51774$2f1750c0$8d45f240$@ozemail.com.au>
References: <CAJfP4b22SaT+mQO2VbbwzG0zyocXcuZb1ogSdB2wHeHwG36O4Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<003501d51774$2f1750c0$8d45f240$@ozemail.com.au>
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Your reputation obviously preceded you Len and I'm surprised  mine hasn't
done likewise and ensured they kept offering me sweeteners. It seems
counter productive. The TAB have stopped offering 110% markets on a Friday
and they may have done me a favour too.

On Fri, 31 May 2019 at 15:46, L.B.Loveday <lloveday at ozemail.com.au> wrote:

> Nick,
>
>
>
> I can confirm that I've never received a bet boost from Crown/Beteasy and
> Bonus bets are a thing of the long past. It's hard enough to get a bet on -
> WA never no way.
>
>
>
> Does anyone know who uses +61472881184? He/she/non-binary thingy texted me
> offering a Deposit Match of $3000 "from the top 5 bookmakers in Australia",
> I accepted and received the reply "we will send you the best offer
> available within the next 12 hours". End of conversation. I could not find
> the number's owners with Reverse Lookup sites and when I ring, I get the
> Telstra message "disconnected".
>
>
>
> LBL
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Racing <racing-bounces at ausrace.com> *On Behalf Of *
> norsaintpublishing at gmail.com
> *Sent:* Friday, 31 May 2019 15:00 PM
> *To:* AusRace Racing Discussion List <racing at ausrace.com>
> *Subject:* [AusRace] Query
>
>
>
> Just wondering if anyone can confirm whether or not I've finally made it.
>
> Beteasy don't seem to be offering any bet boosts this week or is that
> across the board?
>
> It seems very strange. I'd just about run that account into the ground,
> fluked a couple of collects over the past fortnight and now can't get any
> cream?
>
>
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