From tonymoffat at bigpond.com Sun Jun 2 15:45:41 2019 From: tonymoffat at bigpond.com (Tony Moffat) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2019 13:45:41 +0800 Subject: [AusRace] Jumping through Hoops - a system Message-ID: <000001d51906$6a897870$3f9c6950$@bigpond.com> >From the archives Subject: Jumping through Hoops - a system Jumping Through Hoops - a system Clif Cary's Racing Review was (typically) a 12 page book produced every week by Clif and Racetrack magazine's Arthur Thorn (t/as Cary Thorn Enterprises). The book was the up to date jottings about featured horses in metro racing. There were nominated horses to follow, as blackbookers, or 'be on me next time' and a code was used to determine Saturday specials published with the form in "The Australian". A phone in service was also commenced. Most runners were short, short. The Review ceased at issue 576 March 1 1978. I possess a full suite. Topics were written by Anthony Scott and Peter P (as the Professional Punter), Clif,Don McCabe(NZ) and "Poitrel", "Henley","Phar Lap" and "Bernborough", and some unnamed and uncredited persons. Jumping Through Hoops was a selection process revealed in the Review. In a previous run:- If this runner missed by 7 lengths or more, and now (i)Horses starting from and outside barrier 7, so barrier 7. 8,9, 10 etc (ii)Horses numbered 7 or less - eg the higher weighted runners, horse 1, horse 2, horse 3 (iii)Horses priced at 7/1 or less in its next race If your runner today failed by 7 or more lengths in a previous start and now passed the test in (i)+(ii) +(iii) then back it in the upcoming race. Runner followed for two starts. There were results attributed to an earlier trial, the rules were published in '76 and the results are shown for '73. They show 22 winners from 27 attempts - amazing. I ran the rules through Syd/Melb and for May 2019 got 5 runners for 3 winners and a place and no selections anywhere in March/April. Is the price line clause the real selector and the other sub-sets just incidental? cheers Tony --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tonymoffat at bigpond.com Tue Jun 4 21:37:02 2019 From: tonymoffat at bigpond.com (Tony Moffat) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2019 19:37:02 +0800 Subject: [AusRace] The Lachlan - a system Message-ID: <000801d51ac9$d4ef7830$7ece6890$@bigpond.com> The system author published and sold 11 systems - this one was advertised in 'Outdoor' magazine. It is similar to Jumping Through Hoops posted here some days ago in that the runner is subjected to some tests and the qualifiers must pass all of them to be considered. If the runner finished 5th or worse last start and:- (i) In the upcoming race it is starting outside barrier 7 (barrier 8 or 9 etc) (ii) It is carrying top weight, or a weight ranked between top and 5th ranked inclusive - the first five in the weights I guess (iii) It is priced at more than 9/1 pre-post These tests result in more bets than the first mentioned system. The rules can be applied to racing anywhere, not restricted to metro Syd/Melb, jumps, maidens etc. The naming convention seems to be rivers in NSW, I have posted details of The Barwon previously and s/he authored The Hunter, a system for first up runners. Casterton R2 won 13.10 Wagga R2 place 39.70 Armadale R3 won14.6 Armadale R3 place 37.3 There were losses as well (15) The dividends recorded here are in races where 3 place divs are possible Armadale R5 place 20.00 Armadale R6 place 18.90 No, I wouldn't use it to determine a bet but it does show another way Cheers Tony --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com From lloveday at ozemail.com.au Wed Jun 5 08:30:53 2019 From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2019 08:30:53 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] Turf war Message-ID: <001001d51b25$2d493510$87db9f30$@ozemail.com.au> The ultimate turf war Racing NSW has made its boldest bid yet for the spring spotlight. By John Stensholt They are the four most crucial weeks in horseracing, a period now threatening to spark the biggest turf war between the two biggest and most powerful forces in the industry. In one corner is traditionalist Victoria, the home of the Melbourne Cup and its associated carnival that includes the hugely popular Victoria Derby Day and historical lead-in races such as the Caulfield Cup and Cox Plate. Throwing a $45 million shot across its bow is Racing NSW and its innovative and aggressive chief executive, Peter V'landys, who in a decade at the helm has probably brought in close to $1 billion to the racing industry and his state and beyond via a series of strategic -victories. He beat the corporate bookmakers in the High Court and helped more than $500 million flow in race field fees since 2012, and won $70m annually from the NSW government in the form of tax relief over five years to bring it in line with Victoria. He also oversaw the $150m Randwick racecourse grandstand rebuild and launched the $14m -Everest, now the richest turf race in the world and the centrepiece of his latest plans. V'landys's big bet V'Landys made arguably his biggest move yet on Monday, announcing a series of lucrative events that will take place on the same days as the biggest races on the Victorian spring carnival calendar, which for more than a century have dominated attention in the sport, carried the biggest amounts of prizemoney and attracted the largest crowds at the course and on television. NSW now unashamedly wants a piece of that action. At stake is the attention and wallets of fans and punters in the crucial period leading up the Melbourne Cup, on the first Tuesday of November. Those four weeks are the only relatively clear air racing gets - with wider sports fans and the general public following the AFL and NRL grand finals at the end of September and early October, and before the action heats up in the cricket season in summer - and are usually dominated by Victorian racing. Once-a-year punters spend their money backing horses in the Melbourne Cup and the Spring Racing Carnival is the biggest period of the financial year for bookmakers. General interest in the sport is heightened every Saturday with feature races across all of Melbourne's big tracks and provincial courses. V'Landys, described to The Australian by one billionaire horse breeder yesterday as "the best racing administrator in the country by the length of the straight", makes no secret of wanting to steal a piece of the extremely rich pie - which has upset his Victorian counterparts. "Like it or not, (the spring carnival) has been a monopoly, and in the corporate world monopolies don't exist any more. It is no secret we don't exist during that time at the moment. Our punters go to bet on Victorian racing, and it takes a long time for them to come back," V'Landys tells The Australian. "We have to have a have a presence during that time. That is the best period to race. What we are doing is in the best interests of racing in NSW, which is actually our responsibility. This is not just about Victoria against NSW. But what they have to do is get over their sense of entitlement." Tough negotiator V'Landys has a history of rubbing plenty of people the wrong way - particularly south of the border - though his supporters say that while he is aggressive and one of the toughest negotiators around, he acts in the best interests of his constituents and is a master -networker. He has become one of the most powerful sporting figures in the country and has a considerable group of friends and supporters in business and the media, led by radio broadcaster Alan Jones and other racing identities. But has V'Landys finally gone too far in first sparking and now trying to win a turf war -between NSW and Victoria? Could his latest move to run $45m worth of races across the biggest time of the year in Victorian racing, the Spring Racing Carnival, upset the delicate balancing act between the races in Sydney and those in Melbourne, and ultimately confuse prospective fans, upset punters and undermine the pattern racing system for Australian horses? And does he risk - in shifting The Everest to Caulfield Cup day in October and introducing the $7.5m Golden Eagle on Derby Day, considered the best racing day of the year and the start of the Melbourne Cup carnival at Flemington - splitting the industry if the best horses, jockeys and trainers are forced to perennially choose between the industry's two biggest cities at the most lucrative time of the year. Racing Victoria chairman Brian Kruger, the former chief executive of transport and logistics firm Toll Holdings, certainly thinks so, while Moonee Valley Race Club chief executive Michael Browell has said NSW "wants to sit right on top" of Victoria at spring carnival time, threatening iconic races such as his Cox Plate. Kruger has signalled his state will retaliate, telling radio station RSN yesterday: "There will be lots of emotions out there but we need to make sure (there) are ways we can respond. And that is something we will look at in the future. "We have not been sitting on our hands . we've been lifting our prizemoney around some of our iconic races. "We will keep looking at opportunities. It is still fresh for us to look at the range of announcements made . and say, 'Here is what we are going to do about it'. "But we will look at whether there are things we can do with our prizemoney or our programming to respond." One option could be for Victoria to strike back and use its financial muscle to either boost prizemoney for existing races during the autumn months, the traditional time for NSW racing to shine with its championships and feature events like the Golden Slipper, or come up with new events like the $5m All Star Mile it ran for the first time in March. Both strategies could be rolled out with the idea of stealing punters away from NSW, as well some of the best horses. V'Landys is not frightened at that prospect. "I congratulated them when they came up with the All Star Mile. It is innovative. Good on them. I could hardly sit back and complain, could I? It would have been a bit hypocritical." Kruger says his big concern about NSW "encroaching" on the spring carnival is that some of the best jockeys, horses and trainers will effectively have to choose between being in Sydney or Melbourne, whereas previously most of the industry would head to Melbourne for the biggest days. "It is one of the things I look forward to in the spring. Most of our fans look forward to it. There's no doubt there will be some impact on the issue of the best racing against the best, and that is a concern for not just Victorian racing but Australian racing." Kruger says. One who has already made the choice is Bob Peters, owner of West Australian four-year-old Arcadia Queen. He has said the horse, considered one of the Cox Plate favourites, would instead target The Everest and Golden Eagle in Sydney. Jockeying for status V'Landys does want Group 1 status for his biggest events, though, and has criticised Victoria for blocking his plans via the Australian Pattern Committee, which allocates race status. If the best horses start chasing dollars in lesser-graded races in NSW, there is a fear it could hit the Group 1 status or otherwise of some Victorian events. V'Landys says the fears are "overblown" and "there are plenty of good horses out there and this will create more opportunities for some others to come through". Kruger also questioned where NSW was getting the funding for the new races, reserving particular criticism for the $7.5m earmarked for the Golden Eagle, for four-year-olds. V'Landys, who came up with an innovative way to fund The Everest's record prizemoney by charging competitors $600,000 per race "slot", says he will find another way for the Golden Eagle. "We've come up with an innovative bet type that we will roll out, which will fund it. Most of what we are doing is self-funded." He would not be drawn as to what the new bet type or lottery would be, and rejected accusations punters would have to pay a bigger margin to bookmakers, who will pay higher race field fees to take bets on the new races, and be turned off at the prospect. "The Everest has become very popular with punters (it is now the second-most popular race on the NSW TAB, with more than $20m turnover) and when it was against the Caulfield Guineas last year, attendance and wagering at Caulfield went up," he says. The Everest will move a week later, taking place on the same day as the $5m Caulfield Cup this year. But V'Landys says that will be as far as he goes, and claims he has no plans, for example, to launch a similar race of 2400m - The Everest is 1200m - or directly copy other big Victorian events. He just wants good sprinting races on the days Victorian racing is focused mostly on longer races, while also vying for attention in the wider market. "Look, this is about competition", he says. "And there is nothing wrong with competition. If you look at just about all industries out there, revenue rises for everyone where there is competition. I think it will be the same for racing." - Destined for a league of his own Racing NSW chief executive Peter V'landys at Randwick in May. Picture: Getty Images Australian Rugby League Commission chairman Peter Beattie is said to have made it known privately he would like to see Peter V'landys, the Racing NSW chief executive, take over his job when his term finishes. It would be quite a rise for V'Landys, who has spent 15 years at the helm of Racing NSW and before that ran the state's harness racing body, but one that would not surprise observers, including Beattie. "He is one of the straightest shooters I have come across in my career, but he is also one of the smartest," Beattie tells The Australian. "He is very strategic and thinks four or five moves ahead, which is something that not many people are capable of." "He would be a good chairman in any organisation, be it rugby league or racing, or anything else. He is very capable." V'Landys has been an ARL commissioner since March last year and Beattie's chairmanship finishes next February. While he has not ruled out continuing for another year, he is unlikely to be in the role for much longer. V'Landys says he will "certainly consider the opportunity" should the ARLC role come up, but he stresses his current role has him "part of a team and I am 100 per cent behind Peter as chairman and I think he has done a great job". But he certainly would be the short-priced favourite. Prominent director Tony Shepherd, a Racing NSW board member, says: "Peter would be one of the best CEOs I have ever dealt with. He is very good on details and supports the big city races and what is happening in the regions. And he is very good on keeping costs under control." V'Landys's parsimony is legendary. One anecdote has him knocking backing a couple of Racing NSW staff for a taxi voucher for a trip from the organisation's Druitt Street headquarters in the Sydney CBD to Royal Randwick racecourse. V'Landys is said to have told them they could take the bus instead. While he has been in his role since 2004, V'Landys says he intends to stick around at Racing NSW and that it will be his last chief executive role - even if he does not subscribe to the theory bosses should leave after about five years. "You get better as time goes on. My best years have been the last few, I reckon. And just when you think you've done everything you want, something else pops up and you do that too." That means V'Landys could be around for a while yet to stay a thorn in the side of his counterparts in Victoria, where his surname is one usually used in disparaging terms or at best grudging admiration. "Well, it's better than not being talked about. When they're talking about you, it means you're still alive. Which is a good thing." John Stensholt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 22497 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tonymoffat at bigpond.com Thu Jun 6 01:37:11 2019 From: tonymoffat at bigpond.com (Tony Moffat) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2019 23:37:11 +0800 Subject: [AusRace] The Lachlan - a system In-Reply-To: <000801d51ac9$d4ef7830$7ece6890$@bigpond.com> References: <000801d51ac9$d4ef7830$7ece6890$@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <001901d51bb4$8ba70620$a2f51260$@bigpond.com> I got two off list replies to this post - criticisms, fair enough, ok, Grumblebear suggests I post the system contenders 10 minutes before the off in eligible races. Eligible races might be where all have had a start. There is a requirement for a contender to have placed 5th or worse last start, whenever that was, and is now one of the top weighted runners, with a pre-post price (AAP) of 9/1 -$10. I won't be doing that. Let me state that the results I used are after the fact, in fact, after tea so well after the race is run and the result known. Gr8 wrote a few score words (+10) on the meaning of life, mine, and suggests I am disparaging the system inventor by writing about them after so many years (of dormancy or what). It is obvious that Gr8 is not a system confrere, he dislikes them, always has, although he uses friendly stats when choosing a bet, systematically, always has. I don't believe Gr8 and Grumblebear have ever posted on Ausrace, have not contributed anything and not started a conversation. The author of this system cannot be identified, there is nothing in the publication to assist me except the words Pot of Gol(d) and no copyright claim of right. Pot of Gol (perhaps Pot of Gold) appears unknown. I could get records for 'Outdoor' magazine resurrected (the 60's version is now defunct) and perhaps the advertising department may have a contact name but I won't be doing that. Other system collectors appear not to have these systems, we are a cagey lot however, but collectors whose knowledge I aspire to do not know either the systems or the author. If I thought it was required I would not have written about the systems, I am down to my last 187 about which I can relate the fine details to you, I will, you have years of this yet. If the author permission is required I get it, it has never been refused to this time, the big add to the knowledge bank was dealing with Oxford University Press (see Dettori Day) although not a system it was an education, for me, getting permission from them. Look, I wrote about this system on Tuesday and the first 3 eligible races spun up two winners and a placegetter, and 2 unplaced. The winners were 13.10 and 14.60. Today the first race was a loser,(Doomben R4) but 7 minutes later Gawler R3 gave us a winner (Slippery Journey $42) Monday we had a loser, then a place at 24.60, then a place at 11.80, 3 losses, a place at 17.7 Sunday there were two places in two races, two losses, then a win at 46.00 Saturday in the first eligible race, a win 18.40 Is it another way? Cheers Tony -----Original Message----- From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of Tony Moffat Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 7:37 PM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: [AusRace] The Lachlan - a system The system author published and sold 11 systems - this one was advertised in 'Outdoor' magazine. It is similar to Jumping Through Hoops posted here some days ago in that the runner is subjected to some tests and the qualifiers must pass all of them to be considered. If the runner finished 5th or worse last start and:- (i) In the upcoming race it is starting outside barrier 7 (barrier 8 or 9 etc) (ii) It is carrying top weight, or a weight ranked between top and 5th ranked inclusive - the first five in the weights I guess (iii) It is priced at more than 9/1 pre-post These tests result in more bets than the first mentioned system. The rules can be applied to racing anywhere, not restricted to metro Syd/Melb, jumps, maidens etc. The naming convention seems to be rivers in NSW, I have posted details of The Barwon previously and s/he authored The Hunter, a system for first up runners. Casterton R2 won 13.10 Wagga R2 place 39.70 Armadale R3 won14.6 Armadale R3 place 37.3 There were losses as well (15) The dividends recorded here are in races where 3 place divs are possible Armadale R5 place 20.00 Armadale R6 place 18.90 No, I wouldn't use it to determine a bet but it does show another way Cheers Tony --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com _______________________________________________ Racing mailing list Racing at ausrace.com http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com From lloveday at ozemail.com.au Thu Jun 6 06:37:38 2019 From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 06:37:38 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] The Lachlan - a system In-Reply-To: <001901d51bb4$8ba70620$a2f51260$@bigpond.com> References: <000801d51ac9$d4ef7830$7ece6890$@bigpond.com> <001901d51bb4$8ba70620$a2f51260$@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <003e01d51bde$8591eb40$90b5c1c0$@ozemail.com.au> Tony, "Is it another way?". Almost always is another way, so there probably is; maybe even a better way, but I'm to going to try to think of one let alone suggest one. Let Grumblebear grumble and Gr8 hate all they like, ignore the non-contributing pair and post as you will is what I do suggest. Regards, LBL -----Original Message----- From: Racing On Behalf Of Tony Moffat Sent: Thursday, 6 June 2019 1:37 AM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: Re: [AusRace] The Lachlan - a system I got two off list replies to this post - criticisms, fair enough, ok, Grumblebear suggests I post the system contenders 10 minutes before the off in eligible races. Eligible races might be where all have had a start. There is a requirement for a contender to have placed 5th or worse last start, whenever that was, and is now one of the top weighted runners, with a pre-post price (AAP) of 9/1 -$10. I won't be doing that. Let me state that the results I used are after the fact, in fact, after tea so well after the race is run and the result known. Gr8 wrote a few score words (+10) on the meaning of life, mine, and suggests I am disparaging the system inventor by writing about them after so many years (of dormancy or what). It is obvious that Gr8 is not a system confrere, he dislikes them, always has, although he uses friendly stats when choosing a bet, systematically, always has. I don't believe Gr8 and Grumblebear have ever posted on Ausrace, have not contributed anything and not started a conversation. The author of this system cannot be identified, there is nothing in the publication to assist me except the words Pot of Gol(d) and no copyright claim of right. Pot of Gol (perhaps Pot of Gold) appears unknown. I could get records for 'Outdoor' magazine resurrected (the 60's version is now defunct) and perhaps the advertising department may have a contact name but I won't be doing that. Other system collectors appear not to have these systems, we are a cagey lot however, but collectors whose knowledge I aspire to do not know either the systems or the author. If I thought it was required I would not have written about the systems, I am down to my last 187 about which I can relate the fine details to you, I will, you have years of this yet. If the author permission is required I get it, it has never been refused to this time, the big add to the knowledge bank was dealing with Oxford University Press (see Dettori Day) although not a system it was an education, for me, getting permission from them. Look, I wrote about this system on Tuesday and the first 3 eligible races spun up two winners and a placegetter, and 2 unplaced. The winners were 13.10 and 14.60. Today the first race was a loser,(Doomben R4) but 7 minutes later Gawler R3 gave us a winner (Slippery Journey $42) Monday we had a loser, then a place at 24.60, then a place at 11.80, 3 losses, a place at 17.7 Sunday there were two places in two races, two losses, then a win at 46.00 Saturday in the first eligible race, a win 18.40 Is it another way? Cheers Tony -----Original Message----- From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of Tony Moffat Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 7:37 PM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: [AusRace] The Lachlan - a system The system author published and sold 11 systems - this one was advertised in 'Outdoor' magazine. It is similar to Jumping Through Hoops posted here some days ago in that the runner is subjected to some tests and the qualifiers must pass all of them to be considered. If the runner finished 5th or worse last start and:- (i) In the upcoming race it is starting outside barrier 7 (barrier 8 or 9 etc) (ii) It is carrying top weight, or a weight ranked between top and 5th ranked inclusive - the first five in the weights I guess (iii) It is priced at more than 9/1 pre-post These tests result in more bets than the first mentioned system. The rules can be applied to racing anywhere, not restricted to metro Syd/Melb, jumps, maidens etc. The naming convention seems to be rivers in NSW, I have posted details of The Barwon previously and s/he authored The Hunter, a system for first up runners. Casterton R2 won 13.10 Wagga R2 place 39.70 Armadale R3 won14.6 Armadale R3 place 37.3 There were losses as well (15) The dividends recorded here are in races where 3 place divs are possible Armadale R5 place 20.00 Armadale R6 place 18.90 No, I wouldn't use it to determine a bet but it does show another way Cheers Tony --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com _______________________________________________ Racing mailing list Racing at ausrace.com http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com _______________________________________________ Racing mailing list Racing at ausrace.com http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com From norsaintpublishing at gmail.com Thu Jun 6 08:29:54 2019 From: norsaintpublishing at gmail.com (norsaintpublishing at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 08:29:54 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] The Lachlan - a system In-Reply-To: <003e01d51bde$8591eb40$90b5c1c0$@ozemail.com.au> References: <000801d51ac9$d4ef7830$7ece6890$@bigpond.com> <001901d51bb4$8ba70620$a2f51260$@bigpond.com> <003e01d51bde$8591eb40$90b5c1c0$@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: Given those recent results. I'm going to have to go back and read the original post a little more closely. On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 at 06:38, L.B.Loveday wrote: > Tony, > > "Is it another way?". > > Almost always is another way, so there probably is; maybe even a better > way, > but I'm to going to try to think of one let alone suggest one. > > Let Grumblebear grumble and Gr8 hate all they like, ignore the > non-contributing pair and post as you will is what I do suggest. > > Regards, > > LBL > > -----Original Message----- > From: Racing On Behalf Of Tony Moffat > Sent: Thursday, 6 June 2019 1:37 AM > To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' > Subject: Re: [AusRace] The Lachlan - a system > > I got two off list replies to this post - criticisms, fair enough, ok, > > Grumblebear suggests I post the system contenders 10 minutes before the off > in eligible races. > Eligible races might be where all have had a start. There is a requirement > for a contender to have placed 5th or worse last start, whenever that was, > and is now one of the top weighted runners, with a pre-post price (AAP) of > 9/1 -$10. > I won't be doing that. > > Let me state that the results I used are after the fact, in fact, after tea > so well after the race is run and the result known. > > Gr8 wrote a few score words (+10) on the meaning of life, mine, and > suggests > I am disparaging the system inventor by writing about them after so many > years (of dormancy or what). It is obvious that Gr8 is not a system > confrere, he dislikes them, always has, although he uses friendly stats > when > choosing a bet, systematically, always has. > > I don't believe Gr8 and Grumblebear have ever posted on Ausrace, have not > contributed anything and not started a conversation. > > The author of this system cannot be identified, there is nothing in the > publication to assist me except the words Pot of Gol(d) and no copyright > claim of right. > Pot of Gol (perhaps Pot of Gold) appears unknown. I could get records for > 'Outdoor' magazine resurrected (the 60's version is now defunct) and > perhaps > the advertising department may have a contact name but I won't be doing > that. > > Other system collectors appear not to have these systems, we are a cagey > lot > however, but collectors whose knowledge I aspire to do not know either the > systems or the author. If I thought it was required I would not have > written > about the systems, I am down to my last 187 about which I can relate the > fine details to you, I will, you have years of this yet. If the author > permission is required I get it, it has never been refused to this time, > the > big add to the knowledge bank was dealing with Oxford University Press (see > Dettori Day) although not a system it was an education, for me, getting > permission from them. > > Look, I wrote about this system on Tuesday and the first 3 eligible races > spun up two winners and a placegetter, and 2 unplaced. The winners were > 13.10 and 14.60. > Today the first race was a loser,(Doomben R4) but 7 minutes later Gawler R3 > gave us a winner (Slippery Journey $42) Monday we had a loser, then a place > at 24.60, then a place at 11.80, 3 losses, a place at 17.7 Sunday there > were > two places in two races, two losses, then a win at 46.00 Saturday in the > first eligible race, a win 18.40 > > Is it another way? > Cheers > > Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of Tony Moffat > Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 7:37 PM > To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' > Subject: [AusRace] The Lachlan - a system > > The system author published and sold 11 systems - this one was advertised > in > 'Outdoor' magazine. > > It is similar to Jumping Through Hoops posted here some days ago in that > the > runner is subjected to some tests and the qualifiers must pass all of them > to be considered. > > If the runner finished 5th or worse last start and:- > (i) In the upcoming race it is starting outside barrier 7 (barrier 8 or 9 > etc) > (ii) It is carrying top weight, or a weight ranked between top and 5th > ranked inclusive - the first five in the weights I guess > (iii) It is priced at more than 9/1 pre-post > > These tests result in more bets than the first mentioned system. > The rules can be applied to racing anywhere, not restricted to metro > Syd/Melb, jumps, maidens etc. > The naming convention seems to be rivers in NSW, I have posted details of > The Barwon previously and s/he authored The Hunter, a system for first up > runners. > > Casterton R2 won 13.10 > Wagga R2 place 39.70 > Armadale R3 won14.6 > Armadale R3 place 37.3 > There were losses as well (15) > The dividends recorded here > are in races where 3 place divs are possible Armadale R5 place 20.00 > Armadale R6 place 18.90 > > No, I wouldn't use it to determine a bet but it does show another way > > Cheers > > Tony > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Racing mailing list > Racing at ausrace.com > http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Racing mailing list > Racing at ausrace.com > http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Racing mailing list > Racing at ausrace.com > http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Punting friend, the late Stewart Gorman-Hill rhapsodized about starting races behind a mobile, a la harness events, eight to a row, 15 metres between rows and the winner must beat a runner from the second (or third row) by 15 (or 30) metres as the case may be. 'Lets see if that makes them honest' he muttered over his drink this one time after his selection was cruelled. Stu argued further that this would keep mobile drivers and staff employed, and their equipment also. It made sense, kinda (and I don't drink) Cheers Tony - back to the woodshed,raining here From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 1:25 PM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: [AusRace] Rank incompetence Race 7 Mornington had 19 acceptors, 4 scratchings. We used to be able to work out that meant 15 runners, but the barrier stalls have only 14 holes. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: Untitled attachment 00007.txt URL: From lloveday at ozemail.com.au Fri Jun 14 13:57:28 2019 From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 13:57:28 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] Something else to check Message-ID: <005201d52265$4ad0b210$e0721630$@ozemail.com.au> I requested a bet with Dynamic Odds at 8.00 (Sportsbet bet to lose $500 rather than $400 MBL), and the bet is shown as being placed at 8.00 However, Sportsbet has placed it at 7.50. 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I accept that the odds changed > between the time I requested the bet with DO at 8.00 and it was placed with > SB, BUT it should not be placed at odds other than those I requested, and > especially at odds less than that. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Racing mailing list > Racing at ausrace.com > http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 2881 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In future to avoid this I would recommend to double check with the SB website to ensure you are receiving the true odds. ****** As odds change in a micro-second, the only way to avoid this is to bet directly with SB - if you check the price on SB's site, then bet via DO (which you might do to have a composite record of bets placed) the price may have changed. Some other sites report "odds changed", but not SB, you just get whatever they give you, not what DO says they gave you. As ever, caveat punter. From: Racing On Behalf Of sean mclaren Sent: Friday, 14 June 2019 15:25 PM To: AusRace Racing Discussion List Subject: Re: [AusRace] Something else to check Hello Len i see the id crosschecks .... but the time of the accepted latter bet is 2 secs later. embedded algo. it's sad that a simple consumer transaction can be manipulated like that. but that is the way the kid programmed it, despite it being illegal / fraudulent they rely on knowing that the little guy won't check. and if they do, the crap that you have to go through, it is not worth it. there are consumer laws against this type of thing, but the regulators don't really want to regulate. cheers sean On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 1:58 PM L.B.Loveday > wrote: I requested a bet with Dynamic Odds at 8.00 (Sportsbet bet to lose $500 rather than $400 MBL), and the bet is shown as being placed at 8.00 However, Sportsbet has placed it at 7.50. I accept that the odds changed between the time I requested the bet with DO at 8.00 and it was placed with SB, BUT it should not be placed at odds other than those I requested, and especially at odds less than that. _______________________________________________ Racing mailing list Racing at ausrace.com http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 2881 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Greg. > On 19 Jun 2019, at 8:35 am, L.B.Loveday wrote: > > DO did not respond to my request for an explanation, so I sent the same email to Sportsbet and got this reply: > > ****** > Unfortunately we are not directly affiliated with Dynamic odds, so our live odds on our website may vary to what they show. Clearly in this instance their odds were not up to date with our odds and as a result have caused the $00.50c discrepancy. In future to avoid this I would recommend to double check with the SB website to ensure you are receiving the true odds. > ****** > > As odds change in a micro-second, the only way to avoid this is to bet directly with SB - if you check the price on SB's site, then bet via DO (which you might do to have a composite record of bets placed) the price may have changed. > > Some other sites report "odds changed", but not SB, you just get whatever they give you, not what DO says they gave you. > > As ever, caveat punter. > Greg Conroy, Inventor of Award Winning and Free: www.rewardbet.com ? read more: https://about.rewardbet.com/ And author of https://winwithoutform .com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lloveday at ozemail.com.au Wed Jun 19 09:55:55 2019 From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 09:55:55 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] Something else to check In-Reply-To: <6862E15E-3912-47DE-9777-FB7B15987B2E@gmail.com> References: <005201d52265$4ad0b210$e0721630$@ozemail.com.au> <003701d52626$30352660$909f7320$@ozemail.com.au> <6862E15E-3912-47DE-9777-FB7B15987B2E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <005201d52631$6015ebc0$2041c340$@ozemail.com.au> Yes Greg, long, long ago, or so it feels, and as you say, still the same on the web-site. Why principals allow IT to make useless changes, the only purpose I can see for is to justify their pay, I cannot fathom a guess - look at the mess SB's new website was, and the "update" this month is still inferior in useful features to the time-honoured site, while Tatts has become so slow since redesigned by TAB that my original "apprentice" opened a Vic account. MR and I agreed on how functional the UBet site was, and now?? Via DO the TAB message is "Price Changed", same as BetZero, BetEasy, Sportsbetting, TopBetta, TopSport and maybe others (they are the ones I got the message from in the last 90 days and my memory ain't what it used to be) - don't have screen shots, but some tell you the new price, some don't, so you have to wait a few secs before the update reaches DO. LBL From: Racing On Behalf Of Greg Conroy Sent: Wednesday, 19 June 2019 9:25 AM To: Ausrace Racing Subject: Re: [AusRace] Something else to check Interesting ? When I setup the TAB SportsBet system (all those years ago) I put in a simple user option which says ?Accept current selections at reduced price? preference. Best of both worlds. Simple to do and keep the customers happy. They still use the same phase I created almost 20 years later. Greg. On 19 Jun 2019, at 8:35 am, L.B.Loveday > wrote: DO did not respond to my request for an explanation, so I sent the same email to Sportsbet and got this reply: ****** Unfortunately we are not directly affiliated with Dynamic odds, so our live odds on our website may vary to what they show. Clearly in this instance their odds were not up to date with our odds and as a result have caused the $00.50c discrepancy. In future to avoid this I would recommend to double check with the SB website to ensure you are receiving the true odds. ****** As odds change in a micro-second, the only way to avoid this is to bet directly with SB - if you check the price on SB's site, then bet via DO (which you might do to have a composite record of bets placed) the price may have changed. Some other sites report "odds changed", but not SB, you just get whatever they give you, not what DO says they gave you. As ever, caveat punter. 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As has been well documented by myself internally at Tabcorp, when I happily left them (for Betfair) in 2006, I had a website consultancy come in to test ?my site? (that cost about $500,00 to build) vs the ?NEW? site (which at that stage had cost $14M or so ? and some many more $M after I left) ? They were called Mercury Interactive from memory. Anyway, they measured my site (the old one) and found it to be 7.2 times faster than the ?NEW? one! In fact, they told me it was the fastest site they?d ever measured up to that point. All built for a song using the 1st principals of Computer Science. Remove bottlenecks, and cache intelligently to map your users? requirements (ie: 90% of web requests are for the next race to jump). A bloke called Sean Parkinson (from memory) who worked at QLD TAB (when we were still Government Owned NSW TAB) came and sat with me for 2 weeks and I showed him how I designed the iBet website (as it was called). He then emulated that approach and that?s why the old QLD TAB site was so good. Had used the same approach. Cheers, Greg > On 19 Jun 2019, at 9:55 am, L.B.Loveday wrote: > > Yes Greg, long, long ago, or so it feels, and as you say, still the same on the web-site. Why principals allow IT to make useless changes, the only purpose I can see for is to justify their pay, I cannot fathom a guess - look at the mess SB's new website was, and the "update" this month is still inferior in useful features to the time-honoured site, while Tatts has become so slow since redesigned by TAB that my original "apprentice" opened a Vic account. MR and I agreed on how functional the UBet site was, and now?? > > Via DO the TAB message is "Price Changed", same as BetZero, BetEasy, Sportsbetting, TopBetta, TopSport and maybe others (they are the ones I got the message from in the last 90 days and my memory ain't what it used to be) - don't have screen shots, but some tell you the new price, some don't, so you have to wait a few secs before the update reaches DO. > > LBL > > > From: Racing On Behalf Of Greg Conroy > Sent: Wednesday, 19 June 2019 9:25 AM > To: Ausrace Racing > Subject: Re: [AusRace] Something else to check > > Interesting ? > > When I setup the TAB SportsBet system (all those years ago) I put in a simple user option which says ?Accept current selections at reduced price? preference. Best of both worlds. Simple to do and keep the customers happy. They still use the same phase I created almost 20 years later. > > > Greg. > > > >> On 19 Jun 2019, at 8:35 am, L.B.Loveday > wrote: >> >> DO did not respond to my request for an explanation, so I sent the same email to Sportsbet and got this reply: >> >> ****** >> Unfortunately we are not directly affiliated with Dynamic odds, so our live odds on our website may vary to what they show. Clearly in this instance their odds were not up to date with our odds and as a result have caused the $00.50c discrepancy. In future to avoid this I would recommend to double check with the SB website to ensure you are receiving the true odds. >> ****** >> >> As odds change in a micro-second, the only way to avoid this is to bet directly with SB - if you check the price on SB's site, then bet via DO (which you might do to have a composite record of bets placed) the price may have changed. >> >> Some other sites report "odds changed", but not SB, you just get whatever they give you, not what DO says they gave you. >> >> As ever, caveat punter. >> > > > > > > > Greg Conroy, Inventor of Award Winning and Free: > > www.rewardbet.com ? read more: https://about.rewardbet.com/ > > And author of https://winwithoutform .com > > _______________________________________________ > Racing mailing list > Racing at ausrace.com > http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com Greg Conroy, Inventor of Award Winning and Free: www.rewardbet.com ? read more: https://about.rewardbet.com/ And author of https://winwithoutform .com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From lloveday at ozemail.com.au Wed Jun 19 10:37:22 2019 From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 10:37:22 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] Something else to check In-Reply-To: <005201d52631$6015ebc0$2041c340$@ozemail.com.au> References: <005201d52265$4ad0b210$e0721630$@ozemail.com.au> <003701d52626$30352660$909f7320$@ozemail.com.au> <6862E15E-3912-47DE-9777-FB7B15987B2E@gmail.com> <005201d52631$6015ebc0$2041c340$@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: <006f01d52637$29b237e0$7d16a7a0$@ozemail.com.au> Just got a "Price changed" via DO, functionally similar to the TAB function that Greg mentions, and this begs the question of why I did not get it on the other bet. From: Racing On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Wednesday, 19 June 2019 9:56 AM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: Re: [AusRace] Something else to check Yes Greg, long, long ago, or so it feels, and as you say, still the same on the web-site. Why principals allow IT to make useless changes, the only purpose I can see for is to justify their pay, I cannot fathom a guess - look at the mess SB's new website was, and the "update" this month is still inferior in useful features to the time-honoured site, while Tatts has become so slow since redesigned by TAB that my original "apprentice" opened a Vic account. MR and I agreed on how functional the UBet site was, and now?? Via DO the TAB message is "Price Changed", same as BetZero, BetEasy, Sportsbetting, TopBetta, TopSport and maybe others (they are the ones I got the message from in the last 90 days and my memory ain't what it used to be) - don't have screen shots, but some tell you the new price, some don't, so you have to wait a few secs before the update reaches DO. LBL From: Racing > On Behalf Of Greg Conroy Sent: Wednesday, 19 June 2019 9:25 AM To: Ausrace Racing > Subject: Re: [AusRace] Something else to check Interesting ? When I setup the TAB SportsBet system (all those years ago) I put in a simple user option which says ?Accept current selections at reduced price? preference. Best of both worlds. Simple to do and keep the customers happy. They still use the same phase I created almost 20 years later. Greg. On 19 Jun 2019, at 8:35 am, L.B.Loveday > wrote: DO did not respond to my request for an explanation, so I sent the same email to Sportsbet and got this reply: ****** Unfortunately we are not directly affiliated with Dynamic odds, so our live odds on our website may vary to what they show. Clearly in this instance their odds were not up to date with our odds and as a result have caused the $00.50c discrepancy. In future to avoid this I would recommend to double check with the SB website to ensure you are receiving the true odds. ****** As odds change in a micro-second, the only way to avoid this is to bet directly with SB - if you check the price on SB's site, then bet via DO (which you might do to have a composite record of bets placed) the price may have changed. Some other sites report "odds changed", but not SB, you just get whatever they give you, not what DO says they gave you. As ever, caveat punter. Greg Conroy, Inventor of Award Winning and Free: www.rewardbet.com ? read more: https://about.rewardbet.com/ And author of https://winwithoutform.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.png Type: image/png Size: 41724 bytes Desc: not available URL: From lloveday at ozemail.com.au Wed Jun 19 10:56:56 2019 From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 10:56:56 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] Something else to check Message-ID: <007a01d52639$e5835b00$b08a1100$@ozemail.com.au> Just got a "Price changed" via DO, functionally similar to the TAB function that Greg mentions, and this begs the question of why I did not get it on the other bet. From: Racing > On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Wednesday, 19 June 2019 9:56 AM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' > Subject: Re: [AusRace] Something else to check Yes Greg, long, long ago, or so it feels, and as you say, still the same on the web-site. Why principals allow IT to make useless changes, the only purpose I can see for is to justify their pay, I cannot fathom a guess - look at the mess SB's new website was, and the "update" this month is still inferior in useful features to the time-honoured site, while Tatts has become so slow since redesigned by TAB that my original "apprentice" opened a Vic account. MR and I agreed on how functional the UBet site was, and now?? Via DO the TAB message is "Price Changed", same as BetZero, BetEasy, Sportsbetting, TopBetta, TopSport and maybe others (they are the ones I got the message from in the last 90 days and my memory ain't what it used to be) - don't have screen shots, but some tell you the new price, some don't, so you have to wait a few secs before the update reaches DO. LBL From: Racing > On Behalf Of Greg Conroy Sent: Wednesday, 19 June 2019 9:25 AM To: Ausrace Racing > Subject: Re: [AusRace] Something else to check Interesting ? When I setup the TAB SportsBet system (all those years ago) I put in a simple user option which says ?Accept current selections at reduced price? preference. Best of both worlds. Simple to do and keep the customers happy. They still use the same phase I created almost 20 years later. Greg. On 19 Jun 2019, at 8:35 am, L.B.Loveday > wrote: DO did not respond to my request for an explanation, so I sent the same email to Sportsbet and got this reply: ****** Unfortunately we are not directly affiliated with Dynamic odds, so our live odds on our website may vary to what they show. Clearly in this instance their odds were not up to date with our odds and as a result have caused the $00.50c discrepancy. In future to avoid this I would recommend to double check with the SB website to ensure you are receiving the true odds. ****** As odds change in a micro-second, the only way to avoid this is to bet directly with SB - if you check the price on SB's site, then bet via DO (which you might do to have a composite record of bets placed) the price may have changed. Some other sites report "odds changed", but not SB, you just get whatever they give you, not what DO says they gave you. As ever, caveat punter. Greg Conroy, Inventor of Award Winning and Free: www.rewardbet.com ? read more: https://about.rewardbet.com/ And author of https://winwithoutform.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.png Type: image/png Size: 41724 bytes Desc: not available URL: From lloveday at ozemail.com.au Wed Jun 19 17:52:42 2019 From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 17:52:42 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] Something else to check In-Reply-To: References: <005201d52265$4ad0b210$e0721630$@ozemail.com.au> <003701d52626$30352660$909f7320$@ozemail.com.au> <6862E15E-3912-47DE-9777-FB7B15987B2E@gmail.com> <005201d52631$6015ebc0$2041c340$@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: <009601d52673$fbda9b40$f38fd1c0$@ozemail.com.au> TAB Fixed Odds NSW deducted 17% from place bets for the scratching of #9; Qld deducted 14%. How does that work? I can't see jockey changes or emergencies indicated on TAB NSW, Vic or Qld, leaving only WA TAB highlighting the name of changed jockeys and putting an (e) after the name. Surely this is useful (essential?) information that should not slow things down - (e) certainly would not, and as the jockey name is changed, I can't see that colouring it would either - or at least have a minimally cached section listing jockey changes like they used to; speed not of the essence with that. From: Racing On Behalf Of Greg Conroy Sent: Wednesday, 19 June 2019 10:05 AM To: Ausrace Racing Subject: Re: [AusRace] Something else to check Yes ? still irks me to see the mistakes that these young guns make on their web design. It?s pretty simple. 1. Sell a bet 2. Sell a bet 3. Sell a bet 4. Everything else That is the mantra I instilled in my Internet Development Team. As has been well documented by myself internally at Tabcorp, when I happily left them (for Betfair) in 2006, I had a website consultancy come in to test ?my site? (that cost about $500,00 to build) vs the ?NEW? site (which at that stage had cost $14M or so ? and some many more $M after I left) ? They were called Mercury Interactive from memory. Anyway, they measured my site (the old one) and found it to be 7.2 times faster than the ?NEW? one! In fact, they told me it was the fastest site they?d ever measured up to that point. All built for a song using the 1st principals of Computer Science. Remove bottlenecks, and cache intelligently to map your users? requirements (ie: 90% of web requests are for the next race to jump). A bloke called Sean Parkinson (from memory) who worked at QLD TAB (when we were still Government Owned NSW TAB) came and sat with me for 2 weeks and I showed him how I designed the iBet website (as it was called). He then emulated that approach and that?s why the old QLD TAB site was so good. Had used the same approach. Cheers, Greg On 19 Jun 2019, at 9:55 am, L.B.Loveday > wrote: Yes Greg, long, long ago, or so it feels, and as you say, still the same on the web-site. Why principals allow IT to make useless changes, the only purpose I can see for is to justify their pay, I cannot fathom a guess - look at the mess SB's new website was, and the "update" this month is still inferior in useful features to the time-honoured site, while Tatts has become so slow since redesigned by TAB that my original "apprentice" opened a Vic account. MR and I agreed on how functional the UBet site was, and now?? Via DO the TAB message is "Price Changed", same as BetZero, BetEasy, Sportsbetting, TopBetta, TopSport and maybe others (they are the ones I got the message from in the last 90 days and my memory ain't what it used to be) - don't have screen shots, but some tell you the new price, some don't, so you have to wait a few secs before the update reaches DO. LBL From: Racing > On Behalf Of Greg Conroy Sent: Wednesday, 19 June 2019 9:25 AM To: Ausrace Racing > Subject: Re: [AusRace] Something else to check Interesting ? When I setup the TAB SportsBet system (all those years ago) I put in a simple user option which says ?Accept current selections at reduced price? preference. Best of both worlds. Simple to do and keep the customers happy. They still use the same phase I created almost 20 years later. Greg. On 19 Jun 2019, at 8:35 am, L.B.Loveday < lloveday at ozemail.com.au> wrote: DO did not respond to my request for an explanation, so I sent the same email to Sportsbet and got this reply: ****** Unfortunately we are not directly affiliated with Dynamic odds, so our live odds on our website may vary to what they show. Clearly in this instance their odds were not up to date with our odds and as a result have caused the $00.50c discrepancy. In future to avoid this I would recommend to double check with the SB website to ensure you are receiving the true odds. ****** As odds change in a micro-second, the only way to avoid this is to bet directly with SB - if you check the price on SB's site, then bet via DO (which you might do to have a composite record of bets placed) the price may have changed. Some other sites report "odds changed", but not SB, you just get whatever they give you, not what DO says they gave you. As ever, caveat punter. Greg Conroy, Inventor of Award Winning and Free: www.rewardbet.com ? read more: https://about.rewardbet.com/ And author of https://winwithoutform.com _______________________________________________ Racing mailing list Racing at ausrace.com http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com Greg Conroy, Inventor of Award Winning and Free: www.rewardbet.com ? read more: https://about.rewardbet.com/ And author of https://winwithoutform.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lloveday at ozemail.com.au Wed Jun 19 17:54:24 2019 From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 17:54:24 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] FW: Something else to check References: <005201d52265$4ad0b210$e0721630$@ozemail.com.au> <003701d52626$30352660$909f7320$@ozemail.com.au> <6862E15E-3912-47DE-9777-FB7B15987B2E@gmail.com> <005201d52631$6015ebc0$2041c340$@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: <009b01d52674$37ca3c00$a75eb400$@ozemail.com.au> That was #9, Belmont Race 4. From: L.B.Loveday Sent: Wednesday, 19 June 2019 17:53 PM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: RE: [AusRace] Something else to check TAB Fixed Odds NSW deducted 17% from place bets for the scratching of #9; Qld deducted 14%. How does that work? I can't see jockey changes or emergencies indicated on TAB NSW, Vic or Qld, leaving only WA TAB highlighting the name of changed jockeys and putting an (e) after the name. Surely this is useful (essential?) information that should not slow things down - (e) certainly would not, and as the jockey name is changed, I can't see that colouring it would either - or at least have a minimally cached section listing jockey changes like they used to; speed not of the essence with that. From: Racing > On Behalf Of Greg Conroy Sent: Wednesday, 19 June 2019 10:05 AM To: Ausrace Racing > Subject: Re: [AusRace] Something else to check Yes ? still irks me to see the mistakes that these young guns make on their web design. It?s pretty simple. 1. Sell a bet 2. Sell a bet 3. Sell a bet 4. Everything else That is the mantra I instilled in my Internet Development Team. As has been well documented by myself internally at Tabcorp, when I happily left them (for Betfair) in 2006, I had a website consultancy come in to test ?my site? (that cost about $500,00 to build) vs the ?NEW? site (which at that stage had cost $14M or so ? and some many more $M after I left) ? They were called Mercury Interactive from memory. Anyway, they measured my site (the old one) and found it to be 7.2 times faster than the ?NEW? one! In fact, they told me it was the fastest site they?d ever measured up to that point. All built for a song using the 1st principals of Computer Science. Remove bottlenecks, and cache intelligently to map your users? requirements (ie: 90% of web requests are for the next race to jump). A bloke called Sean Parkinson (from memory) who worked at QLD TAB (when we were still Government Owned NSW TAB) came and sat with me for 2 weeks and I showed him how I designed the iBet website (as it was called). He then emulated that approach and that?s why the old QLD TAB site was so good. Had used the same approach. Cheers, Greg On 19 Jun 2019, at 9:55 am, L.B.Loveday > wrote: Yes Greg, long, long ago, or so it feels, and as you say, still the same on the web-site. Why principals allow IT to make useless changes, the only purpose I can see for is to justify their pay, I cannot fathom a guess - look at the mess SB's new website was, and the "update" this month is still inferior in useful features to the time-honoured site, while Tatts has become so slow since redesigned by TAB that my original "apprentice" opened a Vic account. MR and I agreed on how functional the UBet site was, and now?? Via DO the TAB message is "Price Changed", same as BetZero, BetEasy, Sportsbetting, TopBetta, TopSport and maybe others (they are the ones I got the message from in the last 90 days and my memory ain't what it used to be) - don't have screen shots, but some tell you the new price, some don't, so you have to wait a few secs before the update reaches DO. LBL From: Racing > On Behalf Of Greg Conroy Sent: Wednesday, 19 June 2019 9:25 AM To: Ausrace Racing > Subject: Re: [AusRace] Something else to check Interesting ? When I setup the TAB SportsBet system (all those years ago) I put in a simple user option which says ?Accept current selections at reduced price? preference. Best of both worlds. Simple to do and keep the customers happy. They still use the same phase I created almost 20 years later. Greg. On 19 Jun 2019, at 8:35 am, L.B.Loveday < lloveday at ozemail.com.au> wrote: DO did not respond to my request for an explanation, so I sent the same email to Sportsbet and got this reply: ****** Unfortunately we are not directly affiliated with Dynamic odds, so our live odds on our website may vary to what they show. Clearly in this instance their odds were not up to date with our odds and as a result have caused the $00.50c discrepancy. In future to avoid this I would recommend to double check with the SB website to ensure you are receiving the true odds. ****** As odds change in a micro-second, the only way to avoid this is to bet directly with SB - if you check the price on SB's site, then bet via DO (which you might do to have a composite record of bets placed) the price may have changed. Some other sites report "odds changed", but not SB, you just get whatever they give you, not what DO says they gave you. As ever, caveat punter. Greg Conroy, Inventor of Award Winning and Free: www.rewardbet.com ? read more: https://about.rewardbet.com/ And author of https://winwithoutform.com _______________________________________________ Racing mailing list Racing at ausrace.com http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com Greg Conroy, Inventor of Award Winning and Free: www.rewardbet.com ? read more: https://about.rewardbet.com/ And author of https://winwithoutform.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lloveday at ozemail.com.au Thu Jun 20 07:25:38 2019 From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 07:25:38 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] Something else to check Message-ID: <000a01d526e5$8badb100$a3091300$@ozemail.com.au> TAB Fixed Odds NSW deducted 17% from place bets for the scratching of #9; Qld deducted 14%. How does that work? I can't see jockey changes or emergencies indicated on TAB NSW, Vic or Qld, leaving only WA TAB highlighting the name of changed jockeys and putting an (e) after the name. Surely this is useful (essential?) information that should not slow things down - (e) certainly would not, and as the jockey name is changed, I can't see that colouring it would either - or at least have a minimally cached section listing jockey changes like they used to; speed not of the essence with that. From: Racing > On Behalf Of Greg Conroy Sent: Wednesday, 19 June 2019 10:05 AM To: Ausrace Racing > Subject: Re: [AusRace] Something else to check Yes ? still irks me to see the mistakes that these young guns make on their web design. It?s pretty simple. 1. Sell a bet 2. Sell a bet 3. Sell a bet 4. Everything else That is the mantra I instilled in my Internet Development Team. As has been well documented by myself internally at Tabcorp, when I happily left them (for Betfair) in 2006, I had a website consultancy come in to test ?my site? (that cost about $500,00 to build) vs the ?NEW? site (which at that stage had cost $14M or so ? and some many more $M after I left) ? They were called Mercury Interactive from memory. Anyway, they measured my site (the old one) and found it to be 7.2 times faster than the ?NEW? one! In fact, they told me it was the fastest site they?d ever measured up to that point. All built for a song using the 1st principals of Computer Science. Remove bottlenecks, and cache intelligently to map your users? requirements (ie: 90% of web requests are for the next race to jump). A bloke called Sean Parkinson (from memory) who worked at QLD TAB (when we were still Government Owned NSW TAB) came and sat with me for 2 weeks and I showed him how I designed the iBet website (as it was called). He then emulated that approach and that?s why the old QLD TAB site was so good. Had used the same approach. Cheers, Greg On 19 Jun 2019, at 9:55 am, L.B.Loveday > wrote: Yes Greg, long, long ago, or so it feels, and as you say, still the same on the web-site. Why principals allow IT to make useless changes, the only purpose I can see for is to justify their pay, I cannot fathom a guess - look at the mess SB's new website was, and the "update" this month is still inferior in useful features to the time-honoured site, while Tatts has become so slow since redesigned by TAB that my original "apprentice" opened a Vic account. MR and I agreed on how functional the UBet site was, and now?? Via DO the TAB message is "Price Changed", same as BetZero, BetEasy, Sportsbetting, TopBetta, TopSport and maybe others (they are the ones I got the message from in the last 90 days and my memory ain't what it used to be) - don't have screen shots, but some tell you the new price, some don't, so you have to wait a few secs before the update reaches DO. LBL From: Racing > On Behalf Of Greg Conroy Sent: Wednesday, 19 June 2019 9:25 AM To: Ausrace Racing > Subject: Re: [AusRace] Something else to check Interesting ? When I setup the TAB SportsBet system (all those years ago) I put in a simple user option which says ?Accept current selections at reduced price? preference. Best of both worlds. Simple to do and keep the customers happy. They still use the same phase I created almost 20 years later. Greg. On 19 Jun 2019, at 8:35 am, L.B.Loveday < lloveday at ozemail.com.au> wrote: DO did not respond to my request for an explanation, so I sent the same email to Sportsbet and got this reply: ****** Unfortunately we are not directly affiliated with Dynamic odds, so our live odds on our website may vary to what they show. Clearly in this instance their odds were not up to date with our odds and as a result have caused the $00.50c discrepancy. In future to avoid this I would recommend to double check with the SB website to ensure you are receiving the true odds. ****** As odds change in a micro-second, the only way to avoid this is to bet directly with SB - if you check the price on SB's site, then bet via DO (which you might do to have a composite record of bets placed) the price may have changed. Some other sites report "odds changed", but not SB, you just get whatever they give you, not what DO says they gave you. As ever, caveat punter. Greg Conroy, Inventor of Award Winning and Free: www.rewardbet.com ? read more: https://about.rewardbet.com/ And author of https://winwithoutform.com _______________________________________________ Racing mailing list Racing at ausrace.com http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com Greg Conroy, Inventor of Award Winning and Free: www.rewardbet.com ? read more: https://about.rewardbet.com/ And author of https://winwithoutform.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikemcbain at tpg.com.au Thu Jun 20 11:49:26 2019 From: mikemcbain at tpg.com.au (mikemcbain at tpg.com.au) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 11:49:26 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] Racing_AFL_MND News Message-ID: <000001d5270a$64e89ce0$2eb9d6a0$@tpg.com.au> It was quite sad to see on TV last week prior to the Neil Daniher Big Freeze for MND AFL game the Ball was carried onto the ground and presented to the Umpires by a good friend, known to some Ausracers, as former Horse Trainer Terry Roles from Deloraine Tas. Terry is now struggling with MND having switched from horse Training to Aged Care Nursing several years ago. Deloraine has produced Champion Trainers and Jockeys over the years including the late Tom McCauley, Max Baker, "Froggie" Newitt Terry Roles.. There is also an MND Raceday coming up in August for another old friend of mine the late Ross Maclean organised by his son Jeff at the Gold Coast Turf Club. https://qbi.uq.edu.au/event/session/8410 Supporting research into MND is a cause worthy of your support. Mike. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lloveday at ozemail.com.au Tue Jun 25 17:31:43 2019 From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 17:31:43 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] Disqualified horse trainer Ben Currie arrested in Toowoomba Message-ID: <003301d52b28$0db85c90$292915b0$@ozemail.com.au> Disqualified horse trainer Ben Currie arrested in Toowoomba as part of racing industry probe Disgraced horse trainer Ben Currie has been charged with aggravated fraud amid allegations he sourced performance enhancing substances for his horses and dishonestly claimed the winnings. Kate Kyriacou, Thomas Chamberlin, Nathan Exelby, The Courier-Mail Subscriber only | an hour ago UPDATE: Disgraced horse trainer Ben Currie has been charged with aggravated fraud amid allegations he sourced performance enhancing substances for his horses and dishonestly claimed the winnings. Police arrested and charged 28-year-old Currie today following a 14-month-long investigation by the Queensland Racing Crime Squad. Police will allege he ?engaged in systematic fraudulent behaviour? between November, 2016 and March 2019. It is alleged Currie got hold of unregulated horse supplements ?designed to enhance race performance in a manner to circumvent current testing methodology in Queensland thoroughbred racing?. ?As a result, it is further alleged the offender has dishonestly gained a benefit through entitlement to prize money distributed by Racing Queensland for thoroughbred races in Queensland over that time,? a statement from police said. Outside the Toowoomba police station, Currie claimed he had no idea what he was being charged with. ?I don?t even know what the charges are to be honest,? he said. ?I don?t even know what it?s about.? Currie has been bailed to appear in the Toowoomba Magistrates Court on July 15. Police will allege Ben Currie ?engaged in systematic fraudulent behaviour? between November, 2016 and March 2019. Picture: AAP Image/Darren England DISQUALIFIED HORSE TRAINER ARRESTED 2.10pm: Disgraced Queensland horse trainer Ben Currie has been arrested in a police probe bombshell for the racing industry. Police today arrested Currie in Toowoomba. Currie has been the leading trainer in Queensland for the last three years, with the highest amount of wins. He has been disqualified and hasn?t trained a runner since May 2 as officials have refused his horse nominations. Earlier this month the Queensland Racing Integrity Commission increased Currie?s disqualification period to seven and a half years when it handed down its penalty for five prohibited substance charges. After finding Currie guilty of five swab irregularities between 2017 and 2019, which included two for cocaine, stewards disqualified Currie for three years and fined him $45,000. All five horses were disqualified from their respective races. ? Wicked Trilogy was found with meloxicam in its system on December 2, 2017, when it raced at Kilcoy; ? Shakira was found to have testosterone in excess of the accepted concentration in its system when it raced on January 28, 2018, at Toowoomba; ? Karaharaga was found to have 17-methylmorphinan-3-ol in its system when it raced on July 6, 2018, at Rockhampton; ? Dreamscope was found to have cocaine and benzolecgonine in its system when it raced at Toowoomba on September 16, 2018; ? Eight Over was found to have cocaine, methylecgonine and benzolecgonine in its system when it raced on February 2, 2019, at Toowoomba. Currie?s father Mark is allowed train after a deal was made to quash a two-year disqualification for race-day treatments. He was given a wholly suspended 12-month suspension and $7500 fine. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From norsaintpublishing at gmail.com Tue Jun 25 18:41:26 2019 From: norsaintpublishing at gmail.com (norsaintpublishing at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 18:41:26 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] Disqualified horse trainer Ben Currie arrested in Toowoomba In-Reply-To: <003301d52b28$0db85c90$292915b0$@ozemail.com.au> References: <003301d52b28$0db85c90$292915b0$@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: Still no action from the AFP following their grandstanding raid on Weir six months ago. On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 at 17:32, L.B.Loveday wrote: > Disqualified horse trainer Ben Currie arrested in Toowoomba as part of > racing industry probe > > Disgraced horse trainer Ben Currie has been charged with aggravated fraud > amid allegations he sourced performance enhancing substances for his horses > and dishonestly claimed the winnings. > > *Kate Kyriacou, Thomas Chamberlin, Nathan Exelby*, The Courier-Mail > > Subscriber only > > | > > an hour ago > > > > UPDATE: Disgraced horse trainer Ben Currie > > has been charged with aggravated fraud amid allegations he sourced > performance enhancing substances for his horses and dishonestly claimed the > winnings. > > Police arrested and charged 28-year-old Currie today following a > 14-month-long investigation by the Queensland Racing Crime Squad. > > Police will allege he ?engaged in systematic fraudulent behaviour? between > November, 2016 and March 2019. > > It is alleged Currie got hold of unregulated horse supplements ?designed > to enhance race performance in a manner to circumvent current testing > methodology in Queensland thoroughbred racing?. > > ?As a result, it is further alleged the offender has dishonestly gained a > benefit through entitlement to prize money distributed by Racing Queensland > for thoroughbred races in Queensland over that time,? a statement from > police said. > > Outside the Toowoomba police station, Currie claimed he had no idea what > he was being charged with. > > ?I don?t even know what the charges are to be honest,? he said. > > ?I don?t even know what it?s about.? > > Currie has been bailed to appear in the Toowoomba Magistrates Court on > July 15. > > Police will allege Ben Currie ?engaged in systematic fraudulent behaviour? > between November, 2016 and March 2019. Picture: AAP Image/Darren England > > *DISQUALIFIED HORSE TRAINER ARRESTED* > > *2.10pm:* Disgraced Queensland horse trainer Ben Currie > > has been arrested in a police probe bombshell for the racing industry. > > Police today arrested Currie in Toowoomba. > > Currie has been the leading trainer in Queensland for the last three > years, with the highest amount of wins. > > He has been disqualified and hasn?t trained a runner since May 2 as > officials have refused his horse nominations. > > Earlier this month the Queensland Racing Integrity Commission increased > Currie?s disqualification period to seven and a half years when it handed > down its penalty for five prohibited substance charges. > > After finding Currie guilty of five swab irregularities between 2017 and > 2019, which included two for cocaine, stewards disqualified Currie for > three years and fined him $45,000. All five horses were disqualified from > their respective races. > > ? Wicked Trilogy was found with meloxicam in its system on December 2, > 2017, when it raced at Kilcoy; > > ? Shakira was found to have testosterone in excess of the accepted > concentration in its system when it raced on January 28, 2018, at Toowoomba; > > ? Karaharaga was found to have 17-methylmorphinan-3-ol in its system when > it raced on July 6, 2018, at Rockhampton; > > ? Dreamscope was found to have cocaine and benzolecgonine in its system > when it raced at Toowoomba on September 16, 2018; > > ? Eight Over was found to have cocaine, methylecgonine and benzolecgonine > in its system when it raced on February 2, 2019, at Toowoomba. > > Currie?s father Mark is allowed train after a deal was made to quash a > two-year disqualification for race-day treatments. He was given a wholly > suspended 12-month suspension and $7500 fine. > > > _______________________________________________ > Racing mailing list > Racing at ausrace.com > http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From RaceStats at hotmail.com Wed Jun 26 08:52:31 2019 From: RaceStats at hotmail.com (Race Stats) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 22:52:31 +0000 Subject: [AusRace] Disqualified horse trainer Ben Currie arrested in Toowoomba In-Reply-To: References: <003301d52b28$0db85c90$292915b0$@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: What they fail to take into account are all the punters that lost money backing other runners. $45,000 is a joke. What about animal cruelty, cocaine has a huge impact on the health of a horse and amongst other things destroys tissue. Lindsay From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of norsaintpublishing at gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, 25 June 2019 6:41 PM To: AusRace Racing Discussion List Subject: Re: [AusRace] Disqualified horse trainer Ben Currie arrested in Toowoomba Still no action from the AFP following their grandstanding raid on Weir six months ago. On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 at 17:32, L.B.Loveday > wrote: Disqualified horse trainer Ben Currie arrested in Toowoomba as part of racing industry probe Disgraced horse trainer Ben Currie has been charged with aggravated fraud amid allegations he sourced performance enhancing substances for his horses and dishonestly claimed the winnings. Kate Kyriacou, Thomas Chamberlin, Nathan Exelby, The Courier-Mail Subscriber only | an hour ago UPDATE: Disgraced horse trainer Ben Currie has been charged with aggravated fraud amid allegations he sourced performance enhancing substances for his horses and dishonestly claimed the winnings. Police arrested and charged 28-year-old Currie today following a 14-month-long investigation by the Queensland Racing Crime Squad. Police will allege he ?engaged in systematic fraudulent behaviour? between November, 2016 and March 2019. It is alleged Currie got hold of unregulated horse supplements ?designed to enhance race performance in a manner to circumvent current testing methodology in Queensland thoroughbred racing?. ?As a result, it is further alleged the offender has dishonestly gained a benefit through entitlement to prize money distributed by Racing Queensland for thoroughbred races in Queensland over that time,? a statement from police said. Outside the Toowoomba police station, Currie claimed he had no idea what he was being charged with. ?I don?t even know what the charges are to be honest,? he said. ?I don?t even know what it?s about.? Currie has been bailed to appear in the Toowoomba Magistrates Court on July 15. Police will allege Ben Currie ?engaged in systematic fraudulent behaviour? between November, 2016 and March 2019. Picture: AAP Image/Darren England DISQUALIFIED HORSE TRAINER ARRESTED 2.10pm: Disgraced Queensland horse trainer Ben Currie has been arrested in a police probe bombshell for the racing industry. Police today arrested Currie in Toowoomba. Currie has been the leading trainer in Queensland for the last three years, with the highest amount of wins. He has been disqualified and hasn?t trained a runner since May 2 as officials have refused his horse nominations. Earlier this month the Queensland Racing Integrity Commission increased Currie?s disqualification period to seven and a half years when it handed down its penalty for five prohibited substance charges. After finding Currie guilty of five swab irregularities between 2017 and 2019, which included two for cocaine, stewards disqualified Currie for three years and fined him $45,000. All five horses were disqualified from their respective races. ? Wicked Trilogy was found with meloxicam in its system on December 2, 2017, when it raced at Kilcoy; ? Shakira was found to have testosterone in excess of the accepted concentration in its system when it raced on January 28, 2018, at Toowoomba; ? Karaharaga was found to have 17-methylmorphinan-3-ol in its system when it raced on July 6, 2018, at Rockhampton; ? Dreamscope was found to have cocaine and benzolecgonine in its system when it raced at Toowoomba on September 16, 2018; ? Eight Over was found to have cocaine, methylecgonine and benzolecgonine in its system when it raced on February 2, 2019, at Toowoomba. Currie?s father Mark is allowed train after a deal was made to quash a two-year disqualification for race-day treatments. He was given a wholly suspended 12-month suspension and $7500 fine. _______________________________________________ Racing mailing list Racing at ausrace.com http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lloveday at ozemail.com.au Fri Jun 28 20:33:51 2019 From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 20:33:51 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] Tabcorp hit with claim from Racing Qld Message-ID: <007301d52d9c$fc2a5b00$f47f1100$@ozemail.com.au> Tabcorp hit with claim from Racing Qld * By Alex Druce * Australian Associated Press * 2 hours ago June 28, 2019 Tabcorp shares have taken a hit after the gambling giant was served with a damages claim from Racing Queensland, believed to relate to the calculation of fees under the state's new consumption tax. Tabcorp said the claim lodged in the Supreme Court of Queensland on Friday afternoon sought damages and other relief under two arrangements between the Queensland's racing authority and Tabcorp subsidiary UBET. Tabcorp said it expects to "defend its position vigorously" but would be undertaking further analysis and review. "The company is currently reviewing the issues raised and the relevant legal claims made by Racing Queensland and will update the market in due course," Tabcorp said in a release to the ASX. Shares in the company dipped by 1.34 per cent from $4.49 to a three-week low of $4.43 following the announcement, and closed the day 0.67 per cent lower at $4.45. Earlier on Friday Tabcorp announced it had hired AusNet chief financial officer Adam Newman to fill the same role. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lloveday at ozemail.com.au Sun Jun 30 11:48:35 2019 From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 11:48:35 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] 2 x triple Message-ID: <000001d52ee5$f00d9c70$d028d550$@ozemail.com.au> Tassie Mike may be able to explain! My program to collect scratching details and scratch from my race files prior to rating had a slight hiccup, because of Coutinho, Dev 6/12 (bottom of the TAB list) being the same as Dev 7/1 (hence the same horse was in consecutive records). Why Coutinho was "bottom weight" (viz TAB 12) despite having been allocated the highest weight baffled me momentarily, but I guessed it was because it was guaranteed a start in Race 7?, where it was also scratched. Then I noticed it was also an emergency in Race 5, as was Kepta, which got a run as first emergency in Race 6. Why Race rather than race 5, which then ran one short of maximum size? Not over yet, I then saw Kepta was also an emergency in Race 7. So 2x triple acceptors. Unusual? Not really, just that I've not noticed it before - I've found 77 other occasions since 1/1/2001 where there have been triple acceptances at the one track, and 6 where there have been 4. LBL -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikemcbain at tpg.com.au Sun Jun 30 14:03:36 2019 From: mikemcbain at tpg.com.au (mikemcbain at tpg.com.au) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 14:03:36 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] 2 x triple In-Reply-To: <000001d52ee5$f00d9c70$d028d550$@ozemail.com.au> References: <000001d52ee5$f00d9c70$d028d550$@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: <000001d52ef8$cae4b150$60ae13f0$@tpg.com.au> Len & Co The only light I can shine on the double triple acceptors at Devonport today is that there are only three tracks in Tas, Devonport, Launceston and Hobart and Hobart is having yet another major overhaul to the grass track and I believe that work is also underway on the Launceston track so race meetings down here are a little scarce this winter with only the Devonport (Spreyton) Synthetic track available. I would guess that Trainers keen to get a run for their horses are entering and accepting for more than the normal number of events? In a parochial place like this I am embarrassed to say that perhaps northern, southern and nor western Trainers may not speak to one another? Mike. From: Racing On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Sunday, 30 June 2019 11:49 To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: [AusRace] 2 x triple Tassie Mike may be able to explain! My program to collect scratching details and scratch from my race files prior to rating had a slight hiccup, because of Coutinho, Dev 6/12 (bottom of the TAB list) being the same as Dev 7/1 (hence the same horse was in consecutive records). Why Coutinho was "bottom weight" (viz TAB 12) despite having been allocated the highest weight baffled me momentarily, but I guessed it was because it was guaranteed a start in Race 7?, where it was also scratched. Then I noticed it was also an emergency in Race 5, as was Kepta, which got a run as first emergency in Race 6. Why Race rather than race 5, which then ran one short of maximum size? Not over yet, I then saw Kepta was also an emergency in Race 7. So 2x triple acceptors. Unusual? Not really, just that I've not noticed it before - I've found 77 other occasions since 1/1/2001 where there have been triple acceptances at the one track, and 6 where there have been 4. LBL -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: