[AusRace] Disappearing Dollars

Tue Feb 12 22:37:11 AEDT 2019

Ashley,

"Last week I went to place a bet with my Bet365 account and found I had insufficient funds. So I went to make to a deposit"

Why it did not ring true to me (I did not say it could not be true, let alone that it was not true):

When he logged in, the balance would have been shown, yet he did not notice it was approximately zero instead of $3.5k, or at least less than he tried to bet, presumably <= $300 as the cancelled withdrawal was sufficient? He is "a professional punter", so I'd expect him to regularly access the account, unlike the dormant one to which you refer, with a moderate balance such that he was all-but empty after the withdrawals, but he did not notice his account being short $2,000 & $1,440 (odd amount!) a week apart? You may not notice those discrepancies in a big balance, but most would in a moderate balance.

He then "jumped on the Live Chat and requested a full account statement (you can’t just download one from their site)". You CAN immediately display the last year's Pending Bets, Settled bets, Withdrawals and Deposits (in 2x 6mth lots), which covers all relevant transactions, albeit without full details, and I'd expect a professional punter to know that. Surely he would do that on the spot rather than wait? Even if he also ordered a "full account statement".

Of course I could come up with reasons for those actions, but as I said, it just did not ring true to me.

I presumed that if it were true it would be an internal, but the taking of 3 varying amounts close together from an active account, leaving it close to zero is, to me, a strange way to do it.

Anyway I got a chuckle when he wrote "The NTRC will deal with it in terms of integrity". Integrity is, in my opinion, something the NTRC knows approximately zero about.

There was a case in SA where a TAB programmer took out a ticket on the Footy Quadrella, and if it was a big dividend (it was in the early days of computing, and the dividends not immediately displayed & I think that product has long gone), he would access the computer and change the selections on his ticket to the correct ones and print a new ticket with the same barcode as the original. He also printed tickets and cashed them just before the 6? month deadline was up for claiming bets. He got 30 months jail. The CEO of SATAB tried to tell me that he stole from the TAB, whereas the quadrella fraud was clearly stealing from punters by diluting the dividend.   

LBL

From: Racing <racing-bounces at ausrace.com> On Behalf Of SteveB
Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2019 9:00 PM
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Subject: Re: [AusRace] Disappearing Dollars

>From twitter.....

Update on  <https://twitter.com/hashtag/365gate?src=hash> #365gate - Bkrahe 2 Bet365 0 - phone call to say my acct WAS compromised (surprise surprise), yet it isn't their reponsibility - they will however refund my money as a matter of "goodwill" - $3440 sitting back in a brand new acct for me right now  <https://twitter.com/hashtag/JUSTICE?src=hash> #JUSTICE

On 12/02/2019 7:38 pm, Ashley Latham wrote:

Hi Len,

Beg to differ, 2 cases spring to mind.

Without naming names, one of Winx’s more dapper fans had an issue with a dormant NSW Tab account and several thousands missing. Also a former working acquaintance in Canberra had his TasTote account pilfered on several occasions, by an insider. It does happen. Nothing would surprise.

Ashley

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From: L.B.Loveday <mailto:lloveday at ozemail.com.au> 
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 6:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [AusRace] Disappearing Dollars

Mike,

Previous one, and this, worked fine, went to the same page.

The story does not ring true to me.

LBL

From: Racing  <mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com> <racing-bounces at ausrace.com> On Behalf Of mikemcbain at tpg.com.au <mailto:mikemcbain at tpg.com.au> 
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Subject: [AusRace] Disappearing Dollars

Not sure why I pasted an incorrect link to this story earlier today?

 <https://www.championbets.com.au/bookmakers/ben-bet365-disappearing-dollars/> https://www.championbets.com.au/bookmakers/ben-bet365-disappearing-dollars/

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