From lloveday at ozemail.com.au  Mon Apr  1 13:31:52 2019
From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 13:31:52 +1100
Subject: [AusRace] Remember The Everest?
Message-ID: <000601d4e833$125bcfd0$37136f70$@ozemail.com.au>



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From tonymoffat at bigpond.com  Mon Apr  1 14:33:11 2019
From: tonymoffat at bigpond.com (Tony Moffat)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 11:33:11 +0800
Subject: [AusRace] Remember The Everest?
In-Reply-To: <000601d4e833$125bcfd0$37136f70$@ozemail.com.au>
References: <000601d4e833$125bcfd0$37136f70$@ozemail.com.au>
Message-ID: <001701d4e83b$a263c8f0$e72b5ad0$@bigpond.com>

That's the best, so far - there is another 

The grass on the 1400 metre chute at Canterbury has been
cut/lifted/harvested to re-surface a football stadium nearby -seems
plausible

 

My Mum was a staunch believer in this day, I mean her engineering of some
funny (well, it seemed funny later) situations one of which was

telling my older sister that rubbing dried horse manure would naturally
change her dark hair to surfie blonde - we were 487 miles from the coast

at this juncture. She didn't, sis. I once collected a pile of elephant
manure for her, and watched as several pounds or more of it tumbled the 9
feet to the ground

then took my collection, in the cane laundry basket, and put this under the
kitchen table. Apparently I wasn't funny, foolish perhaps, but she saw the
humour in it

especially when re-telling the incident to her Bridge friends, they though
it was hilarious, as was I, by association. The roses benefitted so all
good.

 

Cheers

 

Tony

 

From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday
Sent: Monday, April 1, 2019 10:32 AM
To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' <racing at ausrace.com>
Subject: [AusRace] Remember The Everest?

 





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From lloveday at ozemail.com.au  Tue Apr  2 09:02:57 2019
From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 09:02:57 +1100
Subject: [AusRace] A good reason to vote Liberal Democrats
Message-ID: <000501d4e8d6$abbd1cd0$03375670$@ozemail.com.au>

Duncan Spender: Liberal Democrats 2019 Alternative Budget

 

Gambling taxes should also be abolished. These taxes go into the general
coffers of our state governments rather than towards problem gambling
programs. Most gamblers are not problem gamblers and their pastime should
not be taxed more than anyone else's pastime.

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From lloveday at ozemail.com.au  Tue Apr  2 12:20:51 2019
From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 12:20:51 +1100
Subject: [AusRace] BetEasy defies MBL legislation
References: <000b01d4ddd3$b47dd390$1d797ab0$@ozemail.com.au>
	<CAOBDE-R6Tg8OSgYePzY1tfQHEJuiXjAe22kS8ps2dzvy2OZY5g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001d01d4e8f2$50d5de30$f2819a90$@ozemail.com.au>

Here are extracts from Racing Victoria's MBL. 

 

 

**********************

 

An approved WSP must not do any act or refuse to do any act to avoid complying with the bet limits, including but not limited to:

    Refusing to accept a fixed odds bet

    Closing a person?s account

    Refusing to open a person?s account

    Placing any restrictions on a person?s account in relation to Victorian thoroughbred racing product

    Refusing to lay fixed odds to any person when those fixed odds are publicly displayed*

    Laying lesser odds to a person than those publicly displayed

    Any other act or refusal to do an act in order to avoid these provisions

 

* Publicly display odds, means to display odds to the public generally including, but not limited to:

(a)  on a semaphore board, or

(b)  at an electronic betting terminal, or

(c)  on a website without requiring a person to identify himself or herself (for example, by requiring a person to log in or to provide personal information

 

********************

 

Is there any doubt that this is illegal?

I open BetEasy's web site, Bendigo 6.

 



 

I log in and click on a horse to bet and the "odds have changed"

 



 

 

Refresh and, lo and behold, all changed:

 



 

Open the site with another browser without logging in & the prices publicly displayed have not changed, of course:

 



 

Similarly there is no doubt the relevant bodies won't enforce the law - BetEasy should be deregistered, their licence revoked. $52 million in the Lottery tomorrow (Scott used to buy lottery tickets, saying where else can one win $1m for $1) & I'll pay someone to take them to a proper adjudication body, viz court, and see who wins that one!

 

 

From: L.B.Loveday <lloveday at ozemail.com.au> 
Sent: Tuesday, 19 March 2019 11:33 AM
To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' <racing at ausrace.com>
Subject: RE: [AusRace] BetEasy defies MBL legislation

 

It has been suggested they are doing it to all SA residents because of the more-immoral-than-the-others higher POC tax.

 

WilliamHill (RIH) used to do the same to me (and plenty of others), displaying reduced odds across the board - one set when I accessed the site, all changed when I logged on, but at least at MBL time offered the correct odds. Complaints to racing NSW of course went unheeded - I accept they can knock back bets pre-MBL time, but the legislation prohibits offering different odds to different punters. 

 

William Hill used to run WA's fixed odds, don't know who is now, but from the prices, it's not Crown.

 

From: Racing <racing-bounces at ausrace.com <mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com> > On Behalf Of sean mclaren
Sent: Tuesday, 19 March 2019 10:31 AM
To: AusRace Racing Discussion List <racing at ausrace.com <mailto:racing at ausrace.com> >
Subject: Re: [AusRace] BetEasy defies MBL legislation

 

Len

 

I was on WA Tab touch site a while back. 

 

Same thing. 

 

Fixed price 5.50 I was rushed and went click click click and didn't really think that the price could change. Lock and load. 

 

I rechecked because I saw something wasnt right. Sure enough I got $2.54.

 

It won. It wasn't a large wager. 

 

Cheers Sean

 

On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 07:44 L.B.Loveday, <lloveday at ozemail.com.au <mailto:lloveday at ozemail.com.au> > wrote:

Look at what BetEasy are doing - even when I'm logged in it shows the true odds, but when I bet, am offered a lower price "Price has changed". Same happens on DynamicOdds.

Racing Revolution went out to 5.50, but when I clicked to bet, came down to 5.00 for me.

 

 



 

 

 

 

 



 

 

 

 

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From lloveday at ozemail.com.au  Tue Apr  2 20:49:44 2019
From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 20:49:44 +1100
Subject: [AusRace] BetEasy defies MBL legislation
In-Reply-To: <001d01d4e8f2$50d5de30$f2819a90$@ozemail.com.au>
References: <000b01d4ddd3$b47dd390$1d797ab0$@ozemail.com.au>	<CAOBDE-R6Tg8OSgYePzY1tfQHEJuiXjAe22kS8ps2dzvy2OZY5g@mail.gmail.com>
	<001d01d4e8f2$50d5de30$f2819a90$@ozemail.com.au>
Message-ID: <003e01d4e939$6862f370$3928da50$@ozemail.com.au>

"(Scott used to buy lottery tickets, saying where else can one win $1m for $1)"

 

Of course that $1m was equivalent to a lot more today.

 

The Mega Jackpot is currently in big positive mathematical expectation territory:

 

200,000 tickets sold @ $5.50 = $1,100,000

 

4218 prizes from $200,000 to $12, = $314,725

+ 8436 free tickets, say $3 each rather than $5.50 = $25,308

$52,000,000 jackpot with 4,218/200,000 probability of being won = 52,000,000*4,218/200,000 = $1,096,680

 

Total 314,725 + 25,308 +1,096,680 = $1,466,239

 

So it's a 1,466,239/1,100,000 = 1.33 game, viz a positive expectation of 33%. And where there is a +33% expected return, count me in!

 

 

 

From: Racing <racing-bounces at ausrace.com> On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday
Sent: Tuesday, 2 April 2019 12:21 PM
To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' <racing at ausrace.com>
Subject: Re: [AusRace] BetEasy defies MBL legislation

 

Here are extracts from Racing Victoria's MBL. 

 

 

**********************

 

An approved WSP must not do any act or refuse to do any act to avoid complying with the bet limits, including but not limited to:

    Refusing to accept a fixed odds bet

    Closing a person?s account

    Refusing to open a person?s account

    Placing any restrictions on a person?s account in relation to Victorian thoroughbred racing product

    Refusing to lay fixed odds to any person when those fixed odds are publicly displayed*

    Laying lesser odds to a person than those publicly displayed

    Any other act or refusal to do an act in order to avoid these provisions

 

* Publicly display odds, means to display odds to the public generally including, but not limited to:

(a)  on a semaphore board, or

(b)  at an electronic betting terminal, or

(c)  on a website without requiring a person to identify himself or herself (for example, by requiring a person to log in or to provide personal information

 

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From lloveday at ozemail.com.au  Mon Apr 15 11:06:50 2019
From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 11:06:50 +1000
Subject: [AusRace] SP (SOP)
Message-ID: <001a01d4f327$83391f60$89ab5e20$@ozemail.com.au>

Following the replacement of SP with SOP, there was a large reduction in the
SP market%, from around 127% to 117% (I've used only 8 or more starters, no
late scratchings).

 

Thus 18 months ago the average Final Top Bookmaker of the 10 I monitor was
109%, the average SOP 117% (again only 8 or more starters, no late
scratchings).

 

But now, the average FTB is still 109%, while the average SOP has blown out
to 122%. Has there been a change to SOP calculation that I've not noticed?

 

Look at Ararat Race 6 on Saturday - FTB 109.6%, SOP 131.0%; how can #4 be
SOP 6.0, #5 31.0, #16 101.0?

 



 

 

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From lloveday at ozemail.com.au  Tue Apr 23 14:41:59 2019
From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 14:41:59 +1000
Subject: [AusRace] BetZero
Message-ID: <003001d4f98e$e44fe320$acefa960$@ozemail.com.au>


EML shares surge on bet365 card contract


*	By Alex Druce
*	Australian Associated Press
*	11:05AM April 23, 2019

Shares in Aussie payment tech company EML Payments are trading more than 12
per cent higher after it announced a deal to provide a reloadable betting
card to bet365's US customers.

The launch of the branded bet365 card in New Jersey - where sports betting
has only recently been legalised - will be the 13th branded reloadable
prepaid program in the gaming industry EML is managing across Australia,
Europe, the UK and the US.

Shares in EML rose by 22 cents, or 12.6 per cent, to $1.96 on the ASX at
1055 AEST on Tuesday - up 62 per cent from $1.21 a year ago.

Under the agreement, EML will give bet365 customers a reloadable card to
both remit funds into their gaming account, alongside the existing ability
to access winnings.

The initial program in New Jersey is expected to launch in mid-2019
following regulatory approvals.

The partnership has the potential to expand as bet365 moves into other US
states, EML said on Tuesday.

bet365 is recognised as the world's largest online sports betting company,
with revenues of more than $US3 billion and 4,000-plus employees.

 

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From seanmac4321 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 24 07:21:05 2019
From: seanmac4321 at gmail.com (sean mclaren)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2019 07:21:05 +1000
Subject: [AusRace] BetZero
In-Reply-To: <003001d4f98e$e44fe320$acefa960$@ozemail.com.au>
References: <003001d4f98e$e44fe320$acefa960$@ozemail.com.au>
Message-ID: <CAOBDE-QncsPbgZ+kjU05zy_121tC-EENKZk=sHfm=6HCghbpsA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Len

On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 14:42 L.B.Loveday, <lloveday at ozemail.com.au> wrote:

> EML shares surge on bet365 card contract
>
>    - By *Alex Druce*
>    - Australian Associated Press
>    - 11:05AM April 23, 2019
>
> Shares in Aussie payment tech company EML Payments are trading more than
> 12 per cent higher after it announced a deal to provide a reloadable
> betting card to bet365's US customers.
>
> The launch of the branded bet365 card in New Jersey - where sports betting
> has only recently been legalised - will be the 13th branded reloadable
> prepaid program in the gaming industry EML is managing across Australia,
> Europe, the UK and the US.
>
> Shares in EML rose by 22 cents, or 12.6 per cent, to $1.96 on the ASX at
> 1055 AEST on Tuesday - up 62 per cent from $1.21 a year ago.
>
> Under the agreement, EML will give bet365 customers a reloadable card to
> both remit funds into their gaming account, alongside the existing ability
> to access winnings.
>
> The initial program in New Jersey is expected to launch in mid-2019
> following regulatory approvals.
>
> The partnership has the potential to expand as bet365 moves into other US
> states, EML said on Tuesday.
>
> bet365 is recognised as the world's largest online sports betting company,
> with revenues of more than $US3 billion and 4,000-plus employees.
>
>
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From lloveday at ozemail.com.au  Tue Apr 30 15:02:45 2019
From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 15:02:45 +1000
Subject: [AusRace] BetEasy criminals
Message-ID: <000601d4ff11$f467d780$dd378680$@ozemail.com.au>

>From Minimum Bet Limit regulations:

 

An approved WSP must not do any act or refuse to do any act to avoid
complying with the bet limits, including but not limited to:

1.	Refusing to accept a fixed odds bet
2.	Closing a person's account
3.	Refusing to open a person's account
4.	Placing any restrictions on a person's account in relation to
{state} thoroughbred racing product
5.	Refusing to lay fixed odds to any person when those fixed odds are
publicly displayed
6.	Laying lesser odds to a person than those publicly displayed
7.	Any other act or refusal to do an act in order to avoid these
provisions

 

 Definitions

 

Publicly Displayed has the meaning given to that term in clause 17(3) of the
Betting and Racing

Regulation.

 

& here's 17(3) which defines "publicly displayed":

In this clause:

publicly display odds, means to display odds to the public generally
including, but not limited to:

(a)  on a semaphore board, or

(b)  at an electronic betting terminal, or

(c)  on a website without requiring a person to identify himself or herself
(for example, by requiring a person to log in or to provide personal
information).

 

 

At any time of any day, on every race, BetEasy displays fixed odds on its
web-site which are all reduced when I log in, and on Dynamic Odds' web-site
when I "Submit Bet", the price is always reduced.

 

They do that with the arrogance that comes from knowing that the
authorities, eg Racing NSW, will do NOTHING. Why do they do NOTHING? 

 

 

LBL

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