From phil at buckland.id.au Fri Sep 8 20:13:07 2017 From: phil at buckland.id.au (Phil Buckland) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 20:13:07 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] Tarcoola - The Horse and the House In-Reply-To: <000001d320c7$9fc2f090$df48d1b0$@bigpond.com> References: <000001d320c7$9fc2f090$df48d1b0$@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <01ca01d3288b$121c8320$36558960$@id.au> Interesting Read Tony -----Original Message----- From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of Tony Moffat Sent: 29 August 2017 11:06 PM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: [AusRace] Tarcoola - The Horse and the House Tarcoola - The horse and the house. Tarcoola won the 1893 Melbourne Cup, at a good price, and had run well in Carbines Cup in 1890 also. In winning Tarcoola recorded 204.5 seconds which was amended that afternoon to 210.5 seconds. The first mentioned time would have had it winning 40 of the first 40 runnings, then 29 of the next 40 runnings, 5 of the next 40, and 1 of the next 18 (to end at the year 2000 running) As an aside it is interesting to see the race time improve through the years, it was not until 1925 with King Ingoda, that the recorded time was bettered, 204.25 seconds. Yes, the race distance has been shortened, by 61 feet, but you get the gist. The naming of the horse has caused some conjecture, Tarcoola (SA) claim it as theirs. Tarcoola, a sheep station at Dalton, claim ownership. Tarcoola is a house in Goulburn and Dad and Mum owned this from 1956 until moving in 1970. The house was designed by the architect Manfred senior, whose firm, a father and son show, designed many houses in the area. It was built for a Mr Connelly however the first occupant was Alexander Romula PARRISH. Parrish was born on Melbourne Cup day 1862 at Bowral. His middle name coincides with a Cup runner also, some years after his birth date. A biographer told Dad that Parrish won money on the Cup and other races and bought this house, and some shops, but further information is lacking. If so, this may explain the Tarcoola nameplate at the front door. The council records are incomplete, actually they are out of place having not being returned correctly after perusal and use by a previous biographer, so early data has not been verified. The house is situated on the corner of Verner and Cowper Streets. Cowper Street is the continuation of the Hume Highway. Verner Street comes up the steep hill from the main street, past the cathedrals and goes onto St Patricks, or more importantly, the swimming pool. The area was once a blue and green stone quarry and many houses and buildings have those rocks in their foundations. The bricks were made locally. The architects designed 16 houses that were built around so there is a uniformity to the area. The walls are not cavity constructed but interlocked. Essentially the house is a very strong brick rectangle. The timber formwork is mountain ash. Dad had the place re-wired and the plumbing updated. Tarcoola the house has as a feature a very large, long and wide upstairs veranda, unusual for the time and the house occupies two blocks, there was formerly a large kitchen garden and staff quarters and stable downstairs in the grounds.. There is an ancient grape vine there, the grape bunches are enormous, with perhaps 500 berries on each, as big as your bar fridge. The foundation blocks from the quarters are used in the garden now as retaining walls, the bricks were cleaned and taken to be used in the scoreboard building at the cricket oval near the pool. There is a space for tieing up a horse and cart on the side fence, the rail for that is still there, the fence gap or gate has been closed over now, but the baker and iceman left their horse there while they did their deliveries, maybe. There was a quantity of steel on the ground in the yard, some of it formed, rolled, as in yacht hull curves and perhaps a former occupant had aspirations of building a boat, there is a 3 phase power pole board nearby too. We sold that steel and I put my share towards a trail bike, a Cooper 250. Two of the sizeable downstairs rooms have been taken as garages, there is still a kitchen and other rooms downstairs, a dumb waiter, a stairway built around the dumb waiter space, and a proper stairway nearby, both lead up from the kitchen. Upstairs there is a long and wide hallway from the front door to the smaller kitchen at the back. You can play ping pong in that hall, it is that wide, Dad suggested carpet bowls, but we changed the subject and the feeling passed. There are three bedrooms, a dining and a lounge and library. The windows upstairs are from ceiling to floor, a design feature of other Manfred houses nearby. There are fan forced gas heaters, monsters, in the lounge and kitchen. It?s Goulburn, it is cold there. There are servant callers installed in each room upstairs, levers which actuate wires that cause bells to ring in the kitchen. The wires run on installed wooden paths in the roof cavity, these paths double as walkways up there as well. There is a radio aerial in the roof cavity and there was an aerial on the roof outside, if insulators are any guide. Those big valve radios needed quarter and half wave aerials to work. There is a phone, all Bakelite and bronze in the roof cavity too. To get to the roof, and the cavity before that, you entered the wall space downstairs and there was a ladder built there, attached to the wall, you climbed upwards, in the wall space, to a door way to the roof cavity, and if you continued upwards you removed a fitted and locked hatch and came out in the sunshine on the roof, where there was a walkway. There is a downstairs hallway too. The ceiling there, near the front, has a bullet hole but no projectile, this is also the floor of the upper level too, and the cupboard at the other end of the hall also has a bullet hole, again no projectile. Ok, perhaps there was a duel and they both missed, shook hands, and had a Pimms, but that was the thinking of a 17 year old youth, without a girlfriend again, back then. The garage was two rooms made into the garage, plenty of room for my motorbike and Dads HR Premier (with spats which he did not like). There was a dental college next door, with fat rabbits running rampant, we netted them in the sweet pea patch and returned them. They had perfect teeth though, nice smiles said Mum, sniggering. Over the road was a novitiate, a religious college, with stern Nuns and smiling girls who waved and declined the offered strawberries. Next to that was a training college, for something, it was American owned and run, with flash long American cars outside that scraped the driveway when coming and going. Down the hill was a locked ward hospice. There were 5 sp bookmakers that I was aware of in the city, two of those were shop fronts. One was where you walked down the aisles of shoes and handbags, and knocked on a counter and a woman took your bets. You had to know your bets and betting ended an hour before the advertised starting time. Other sp may have let you on until the off, so to speak. Paying was on Monday afternoon and there was a limit of $35 each outcome. On Saturday afternoon you entered through the caf? next to the shop or there was the telephone. The payout limit was increased for telephone bets. I never used them, those SP, nor did I have a code pass or telephone number. The TAB was on the other side of the road at thr opposite end of the street, 3 blocks away, and was plain to the extreme, two lines on the floor leading to a buying window, there was a centre table although the race field charts were on the walls, as you would expect. So you chose your bets, wrote a slip, checked the details from the charts again, then waited silently in the line for your bets, $0.25 cent multiples. Friendless places, then and now. I worked for Winchcombe,Carson in the woolstore, the best pre season training for me, lumping hundreds of wool bales into storage positions and display spots for the auction. They closed shortly after, moved to Melbourne for auctions and Geelong for storage. I was there to the end, with stalwart Elaine, did an audit of the assets, swept the place, turned off the lights, locked the door and left. I then moved to Sydney, to Neutral Bay for accommodation and to Kings Cross for school, a commercial college, six floors of that on Darlinghurst Road, with a brothel in the rear lane, I heard. I had completed and passed my HSC but was not permitted to do Trig at school, a story in itself, so I re-did the Leaving Certificate, the last year of that, and passed that also, with the Trig component included which I needed for Uni, engineering, specifically surveying. Again, this was another story in itself, and I did not become a surveyor as a result. The Tarcoola link continues though. In a year or so I was working for a man, doing straight line surveying and driving his dozer doing pads for houses and sheds out near Cobbitty, near Oran Park, and the third job was in Tarcoola Place, and to get to Tarcoola Place you had drive down Moffitts Lane. On the day of Tarcoolas win in the MC, Police raided the ?tote? building in Johnson Street Collingwood, number 148 now but 102a (or something) back then, owned and operated by John Wren. The tote building backed up to Sackville Street, where there was a secret entry/exit, it is said. The streetsigns for both Sackville Street and Johnston Street are on the wall in the downstairs lobby of the house ?Tarcoola? ? as is the expression ?due to a lack of interest today has been cancelled?. I don?t know why, or how or who but interesting coincidences anyway. There are, or were, other collectibles there too. Cheers Tony --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com _______________________________________________ Racing mailing list Racing at ausrace.com http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com From pfjg1g at gmail.com Fri Sep 8 21:10:06 2017 From: pfjg1g at gmail.com (Stuart Mackay) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 21:10:06 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] Tarcoola - The Horse and the House In-Reply-To: <01ca01d3288b$121c8320$36558960$@id.au> References: <000001d320c7$9fc2f090$df48d1b0$@bigpond.com> <01ca01d3288b$121c8320$36558960$@id.au> Message-ID: The last 7yo entire to win the Cup. That is a long drought. Good luck to this season's 7yo stallions in behind a 5yo gelding breaking their own age/sex dry spell (Doriemus, 1995) Cool Chap? On 8 Sep 2017 20:14, "Phil Buckland" wrote: > Interesting Read Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of Tony Moffat > Sent: 29 August 2017 11:06 PM > To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' > Subject: [AusRace] Tarcoola - The Horse and the House > > Tarcoola - The horse and the house. > Tarcoola won the 1893 Melbourne Cup, at a good price, and had run well in > Carbines Cup in 1890 also. > In winning Tarcoola recorded 204.5 seconds which was amended that afternoon > to 210.5 seconds. The first mentioned time would have had it winning 40 of > the first 40 runnings, then 29 of the next 40 runnings, > 5 of the next 40, and 1 of the next 18 (to end at the year 2000 > running) > As an aside it is interesting to see the race time improve through the > years, it was not until 1925 with King Ingoda, that the recorded time was > bettered, 204.25 seconds. Yes, the race distance has been shortened, by 61 > feet, but you get the gist. > The naming of the horse has caused some conjecture, Tarcoola (SA) claim it > as theirs. Tarcoola, a sheep station at Dalton, claim ownership. > Tarcoola is a house in Goulburn and Dad and Mum owned this from 1956 until > moving in 1970. The house was designed by the architect Manfred senior, > whose firm, a father and son show, designed many houses in the area. It was > built for a Mr Connelly however the first occupant was Alexander Romula > PARRISH. Parrish was born on Melbourne Cup day 1862 at Bowral. His middle > name coincides with a Cup runner also, some years after his birth date. > A biographer told Dad that Parrish won money on the Cup and other races and > bought this house, and some shops, but further information is lacking. If > so, this may explain the Tarcoola nameplate at the front door. > The council records are incomplete, actually they are out of place having > not being returned correctly after perusal and use by a previous > biographer, > so early data has not been verified. > The house is situated on the corner of Verner and Cowper Streets. > Cowper Street is the continuation of the Hume Highway. Verner Street comes > up the steep hill from the main street, past the cathedrals and goes onto > St > Patricks, or more importantly, the swimming pool. > The area was once a blue and green stone quarry and many houses and > buildings have those rocks in their foundations. The bricks were made > locally. The architects designed 16 houses that were built around so there > is a uniformity to the area. The walls are not cavity constructed but > interlocked. Essentially the house is a very strong brick rectangle. The > timber formwork is mountain ash. Dad had the place re-wired and the > plumbing > updated. > Tarcoola the house has as a feature a very large, long and wide upstairs > veranda, unusual for the time and the house occupies two blocks, there was > formerly a large kitchen garden and staff quarters and stable downstairs in > the grounds.. There is an ancient grape vine there, the grape bunches are > enormous, with perhaps 500 berries on each, as big as your bar fridge. The > foundation blocks from the quarters are used in the garden now as retaining > walls, the bricks were cleaned and taken to be used in the scoreboard > building at the cricket oval near the pool. There is a space for tieing up > a > horse and cart on the side fence, the rail for that is still there, the > fence gap or gate has been closed over now, but the baker and iceman left > their horse there while they did their deliveries, maybe. > There was a quantity of steel on the ground in the yard, some of it formed, > rolled, as in yacht hull curves and perhaps a former occupant had > aspirations of building a boat, there is a 3 phase power pole board nearby > too. We sold that steel and I put my share towards a trail bike, a Cooper > 250. > Two of the sizeable downstairs rooms have been taken as garages, there is > still a kitchen and other rooms downstairs, a dumb waiter, a stairway > built > around the dumb waiter space, and a proper stairway nearby, both lead up > from the kitchen. > Upstairs there is a long and wide hallway from the front door to the > smaller > kitchen at the back. You can play ping pong in that hall, it is that wide, > Dad suggested carpet bowls, but we changed the subject and the feeling > passed. There are three bedrooms, a dining and a lounge and library. The > windows upstairs are from ceiling to floor, a design feature of other > Manfred houses nearby. There are fan forced gas heaters, monsters, in the > lounge and kitchen. It?s Goulburn, it is cold there. There are servant > callers installed in each room upstairs, levers which actuate wires that > cause bells to ring in the kitchen. > The wires run on installed wooden paths in the roof cavity, these paths > double as walkways up there as well. There is a radio aerial in the roof > cavity and there was an aerial on the roof outside, if insulators are any > guide. Those big valve radios needed quarter and half wave aerials to work. > There is a phone, all Bakelite and bronze in the roof cavity too. > To get to the roof, and the cavity before that, you entered the wall space > downstairs and there was a ladder built there, attached to the wall, you > climbed upwards, in the wall space, to a door way to the roof cavity, and > if > you continued upwards you removed a fitted and locked hatch and came out in > the sunshine on the roof, where there was a walkway. > There is a downstairs hallway too. The ceiling there, near the front, has a > bullet hole but no projectile, this is also the floor of the upper level > too, and the cupboard at the other end of the hall also has a bullet hole, > again no projectile. Ok, perhaps there was a duel and they both missed, > shook hands, and had a Pimms, but that was the thinking of a 17 year old > youth, without a girlfriend again, back then. > The garage was two rooms made into the garage, plenty of room for my > motorbike and Dads HR Premier (with spats which he did not like). > There was a dental college next door, with fat rabbits running rampant, we > netted them in the sweet pea patch and returned them. They had perfect > teeth > though, nice smiles said Mum, sniggering. > Over the road was a novitiate, a religious college, with stern Nuns and > smiling girls who waved and declined the offered strawberries. > Next to that was a training college, for something, it was American owned > and run, with flash long American cars outside that scraped the driveway > when coming and going. Down the hill was a locked ward hospice. > There were 5 sp bookmakers that I was aware of in the city, two of those > were shop fronts. One was where you walked down the aisles of shoes and > handbags, and knocked on a counter and a woman took your bets. You had to > know your bets and betting ended an hour before the advertised starting > time. Other sp may have let you on until the off, so to speak. Paying was > on > Monday afternoon and there was a limit of > $35 each outcome. On Saturday afternoon you entered through the caf? next > to > the shop or there was the telephone. The payout limit was increased for > telephone bets. > I never used them, those SP, nor did I have a code pass or telephone > number. > The TAB was on the other side of the road at thr opposite end of the > street, > 3 blocks away, and was plain to the extreme, two lines on the floor leading > to a buying window, there was a centre table although the race field charts > were on the walls, as you would expect. So you chose your bets, wrote a > slip, checked the details from the charts again, then waited silently in > the > line for your bets, $0.25 cent multiples. Friendless places, then and now. > I worked for Winchcombe,Carson in the woolstore, the best pre season > training for me, lumping hundreds of wool bales into storage positions and > display spots for the auction. They closed shortly after, moved to > Melbourne > for auctions and Geelong for storage. I was there to the end, with stalwart > Elaine, did an audit of the assets, swept the place, turned off the lights, > locked the door and left. I then moved to Sydney, to Neutral Bay for > accommodation and to Kings Cross for school, a commercial college, six > floors of that on Darlinghurst Road, with a brothel in the rear lane, I > heard. I had completed and passed my HSC but was not permitted to do Trig > at > school, a story in itself, so I re-did the Leaving Certificate, the last > year of that, and passed that also, with the Trig component included which > I > needed for Uni, engineering, specifically surveying. Again, this was > another > story in itself, and I did not become a surveyor as a result. > The Tarcoola link continues though. In a year or so I was working for a > man, > doing straight line surveying and driving his dozer doing pads for houses > and sheds out near Cobbitty, near Oran Park, and the third job was in > Tarcoola Place, and to get to Tarcoola Place you had drive down Moffitts > Lane. > On the day of Tarcoolas win in the MC, Police raided the ?tote? > building in Johnson Street Collingwood, number 148 now but 102a (or > something) back then, owned and operated by John Wren. The tote building > backed up to Sackville Street, where there was a secret entry/exit, it is > said. The streetsigns for both Sackville Street and Johnston Street are on > the wall in the downstairs lobby of the house ?Tarcoola? ? as is the > expression ?due to a lack of interest today has been cancelled?. I don?t > know why, or how or who but interesting coincidences anyway. There are, or > were, other collectibles there too. > > Cheers > > Tony > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > http://www.avg.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Racing mailing list > Racing at ausrace.com > http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Racing mailing list > Racing at ausrace.com > http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ozrob1711 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 9 01:28:42 2017 From: ozrob1711 at yahoo.com (Rob Creighton) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 15:28:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AusRace] Tarcoola - The Horse and the House In-Reply-To: References: <000001d320c7$9fc2f090$df48d1b0$@bigpond.com> <01ca01d3288b$121c8320$36558960$@id.au> Message-ID: <1577420873.5415529.1504884522111@mail.yahoo.com> Interesting comment - can anyone say how many 7yo stallions run in the Cup these days? I'm sure there is the odd "out-lier" but suspect most 7yo's are either at stud or have been gelded. Cheers from the Grand Canyon state.. ?Rob From: Stuart Mackay To: AusRace Racing Discussion List Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 4:10 AM Subject: Re: [AusRace] Tarcoola - The Horse and the House The last 7yo entire to win the Cup. That is a long drought. Good luck to this season's 7yo stallions in behind a 5yo gelding breaking their own age/sex dry spell (Doriemus, 1995) Cool Chap? On 8 Sep 2017 20:14, "Phil Buckland" wrote: Interesting Read Tony -----Original Message----- From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces@ ausrace.com] On Behalf Of Tony Moffat Sent: 29 August 2017 11:06 PM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: [AusRace] Tarcoola - The Horse and the House Tarcoola - The horse and the house. Tarcoola won the 1893 Melbourne Cup, at a good price, and had run well in Carbines Cup in 1890 also. In winning Tarcoola recorded 204.5 seconds which was amended that afternoon to 210.5 seconds. The first mentioned time would have had it winning 40 of the first 40 runnings, then 29 of the next 40 runnings, 5 of the next 40, and 1 of the next 18 (to end at the year 2000 running) As an aside it is interesting to see the race time improve through the years, it was not until 1925 with King Ingoda, that the recorded time was bettered, 204.25 seconds. Yes, the race distance has been shortened, by 61 feet, but you get the gist. The naming of the horse has caused some conjecture, Tarcoola (SA) claim it as theirs. Tarcoola, a sheep station at Dalton, claim ownership. Tarcoola is a house in Goulburn and Dad and Mum owned this from 1956 until moving? in 1970. The house was designed by the architect Manfred senior, whose firm, a father and son show, designed many houses in the area. It was built for a Mr Connelly however the first occupant was Alexander Romula PARRISH. Parrish was born on Melbourne Cup day 1862 at Bowral. His middle name coincides with a Cup runner also, some years after his birth date. A biographer told Dad that Parrish won money on the Cup and other races and bought this house, and some shops, but further information is lacking. If so, this may explain the Tarcoola nameplate at the front door. The council records are incomplete, actually they are out of place having not being returned correctly after perusal and use by a previous biographer, so early data has not been verified. The house is situated on the corner of Verner and Cowper Streets. Cowper Street is the continuation of the Hume Highway. Verner Street comes up the steep hill from the main street, past the cathedrals and goes onto St Patricks, or more importantly, the swimming pool. The area was once a blue and green stone quarry and many houses and buildings have those rocks in their foundations. The bricks were made locally. The architects designed 16 houses that were built around so there is a uniformity to the area. The walls are not cavity constructed but interlocked. Essentially the house is a very strong brick rectangle. The timber formwork is mountain ash. Dad had the place re-wired and the plumbing updated. Tarcoola the house has as a feature a very large, long and wide upstairs veranda, unusual for the time and the house occupies two blocks, there was formerly a large kitchen garden and staff quarters and stable downstairs in the grounds.. There is an ancient grape vine there, the grape bunches are enormous, with perhaps 500 berries on each, as big as your bar fridge. The foundation blocks from the quarters are used in the garden now as retaining walls, the bricks were cleaned and taken to be used in the scoreboard building at the cricket oval near the pool. There is a space for tieing up a horse and cart on the side fence, the rail for that is still there, the fence gap or gate has been closed over now, but the baker and iceman left their horse there while they did their deliveries, maybe. There was a quantity of steel on the ground in the yard, some of it formed, rolled, as in yacht hull curves and perhaps a former occupant had aspirations of building a boat, there is a 3 phase power pole board nearby too. We sold that steel and I put my share towards a trail bike, a Cooper 250. Two of the sizeable downstairs rooms have been taken as garages, there is still a? kitchen and other rooms downstairs, a dumb waiter, a stairway built around the dumb waiter space, and a proper stairway nearby, both lead up from the kitchen. Upstairs there is a long and wide hallway from the front door to the smaller kitchen at the back. You can play ping pong in that hall, it is that wide, Dad suggested carpet bowls, but we changed the subject and the feeling passed. There are three bedrooms, a dining and a lounge and library. The windows upstairs are from ceiling to floor, a design feature of other Manfred houses nearby. There are fan forced gas heaters, monsters, in the lounge and kitchen. It?s Goulburn, it is cold there. There are servant callers installed in each room upstairs, levers which actuate wires that cause bells to ring in the kitchen. The wires run on installed wooden paths in the roof cavity, these paths double as walkways up there as well. There is a radio aerial in the roof cavity and there was an aerial on the roof outside, if insulators are any guide. Those big valve radios needed quarter and half wave aerials to work. There is a phone, all Bakelite and bronze in the roof cavity too. To get to the roof, and the cavity before that, you entered the wall space downstairs and there was a ladder built there, attached to the wall, you climbed upwards, in the wall space, to a door way to the roof cavity, and if you continued upwards you removed a fitted and locked hatch and came out in the sunshine on the roof, where there was a walkway. There is a downstairs hallway too. The ceiling there, near the front, has a bullet hole but no projectile, this is also the floor of the upper level too, and the cupboard at the other end of the hall also has a bullet hole, again no projectile. Ok, perhaps there was a duel and they both missed, shook hands, and had a? Pimms, but that was the thinking of a 17 year old youth, without a girlfriend again, back then. The garage was two rooms made into the garage, plenty of room for my motorbike and Dads HR Premier (with spats which he did not like). There was a dental college next door, with fat rabbits running rampant, we netted them in the sweet pea patch and returned them. They had perfect teeth though, nice smiles said Mum, sniggering. Over the road was a novitiate, a religious college, with stern Nuns and smiling girls who waved and declined the offered strawberries. Next to that was a training college, for something, it was American owned and run, with flash long American cars outside that scraped the driveway when coming and going. Down the hill was a locked ward hospice. There were 5 sp bookmakers that I was aware of in the city, two of those were shop fronts. One was where you walked down the aisles of shoes and handbags, and knocked on a counter and a woman took your bets. You had to know your bets and betting ended an hour before the advertised starting time. Other sp may have let you on until the off, so to speak. Paying was on Monday afternoon and there was a limit of $35 each outcome. On Saturday afternoon you entered through the caf? next to the shop or there was the telephone. The payout limit was increased for telephone bets. ?I never used them, those SP,? nor did I have a code pass or telephone number. The TAB was on the other side of the road at thr opposite end of the street, 3 blocks away, and was plain to the extreme, two lines on the floor leading to a buying window, there was a centre table although the race field charts were on the walls, as you would expect. So you chose your bets, wrote a slip, checked the details from the charts again, then waited silently in the line for your bets, $0.25 cent multiples. Friendless places, then and now. I worked for Winchcombe,Carson in the woolstore, the best pre season training for me, lumping hundreds of wool bales into storage positions and display spots for the auction. They closed shortly after, moved to Melbourne for auctions and Geelong for storage. I was there to the end, with stalwart Elaine, did an audit of the assets, swept the place, turned off the lights, locked the door and left. I then moved to Sydney, to Neutral Bay for accommodation and to Kings Cross for school, a commercial college, six floors of that on Darlinghurst Road, with a brothel in the rear lane, I heard. I had completed and passed my HSC but was not permitted to do Trig at school, a story in itself, so I re-did the Leaving Certificate, the last year of that, and passed that also, with the Trig component included which I needed for Uni, engineering, specifically surveying. Again, this was another story in itself, and I did not become a surveyor as a result. The Tarcoola link continues though. In a year or so I was working for a man, doing straight line surveying and driving his dozer doing pads for houses and sheds out near Cobbitty, near Oran Park, and the third job was in Tarcoola Place, and to get to Tarcoola Place you had drive down Moffitts Lane. On the day of Tarcoolas win in the MC, Police raided the? ?tote? building in Johnson Street Collingwood, number 148 now but 102a (or something) back then, owned and operated by John Wren. The tote building backed up to Sackville Street, where there was a secret entry/exit, it is said. The streetsigns for both Sackville Street and Johnston Street are on the wall in the downstairs lobby of the house ?Tarcoola? ? as is the expression ?due to a lack of interest today has been cancelled?. I don?t know why, or how or who but interesting coincidences anyway. There are, or were, other collectibles there too. 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URL: From ozrob1711 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 9 01:37:31 2017 From: ozrob1711 at yahoo.com (Rob Creighton) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 15:37:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AusRace] Tarcoola - The Horse and the House In-Reply-To: <01ca01d3288b$121c8320$36558960$@id.au> References: <000001d320c7$9fc2f090$df48d1b0$@bigpond.com> <01ca01d3288b$121c8320$36558960$@id.au> Message-ID: <2131710413.5392643.1504885051372@mail.yahoo.com> Yes, it was (an interesting read). Thanks for sharing. Tony, it brought back memories of days in the 70's when I used to haul greyhounds to race at Queanbeyan. As we left Goulburn heading South, I took a left turn a couple of hundred yards from the address you mentioned.... and yes, they were yards not metres :)?I think the last time I wnet through there was on the way home from Canberra races in about 1984 or 1985. We were fielding back then trying to earn our way onto the metropolitan tracks. There were a couple of young-ish (compared to me in my mid-30s) brothers who basically led the ring. I think either one or both of them made it t0 the Saturday metrop meetings but we decided it was more profitable to be on the ground rather than on the stand. That decision, coupled with our best form analyst going to work for Mark Read, eventually led to our group dissolving. But, obviously, I digress. Suffice to say Tony, your story brought back many memories and for that I'm truly grateful Cheers all. Rob From: Phil Buckland To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 3:14 AM Subject: Re: [AusRace] Tarcoola - The Horse and the House Interesting Read Tony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tonymoffat at bigpond.com Sun Sep 10 10:12:05 2017 From: tonymoffat at bigpond.com (Tony Moffat) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2017 08:12:05 +0800 Subject: [AusRace] Tarcoola - The Horse and the House In-Reply-To: <2131710413.5392643.1504885051372@mail.yahoo.com> References: <000001d320c7$9fc2f090$df48d1b0$@bigpond.com> <01ca01d3288b$121c8320$36558960$@id.au> <2131710413.5392643.1504885051372@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001d329c9$7044f8d0$50ceea70$@bigpond.com> Rob, Phil, Stuart and some lurkers who responded otherwise ? thanks Dad and Mum lived at ?Tarcoola? between 1966 and 1970 ? so, not from 1956 as I typed. I worked for a few months for Pitt, Son and Badgery, lumping still, and in the Winchombe,Carson wool store ?the floor boards were 9 inches thick. and the internal uprights were 4 feet by four feet, and three stories tall ?that is solid wood ? funny how that sticks, as does the name of a cat and a girls nick name but not her real name, although she was born on February 29. I?m losing it, man. I left town in the new school year to go to school in Sydney, a Uni requirement, and supported myself by working in a laundry and dry cleaner shop in the afternoons and evenings. I returned on Saturday mornings, often by train from Central, to play footie returning on the 2100 hour train to get home after midnight if the ferry was running, or I took the bike down there on Friday and came back on Sunday, it depends where we were playing though, Canberra more often. I was in the banking trade momentarily and I worked for bookmakers Terry and Kevin on summer Saturdays but the bank did not approve so I became the greenkeepers bitch at a golf club, and stayed with Terry. I went from there to eventually working on the bag or pencilling or both for Lew Weymiss, I wrote about that previously, at the red hots in the Riverina area, then in Melbourne at the races. Cheers Tony From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of Rob Creighton Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 11:38 PM To: AusRace Racing Discussion List Subject: Re: [AusRace] Tarcoola - The Horse and the House Yes, it was (an interesting read). Thanks for sharing. Tony, it brought back memories of days in the 70's when I used to haul greyhounds to race at Queanbeyan. As we left Goulburn heading South, I took a left turn a couple of hundred yards from the address you mentioned.... and yes, they were yards not metres :) I think the last time I wnet through there was on the way home from Canberra races in about 1984 or 1985. We were fielding back then trying to earn our way onto the metropolitan tracks. There were a couple of young-ish (compared to me in my mid-30s) brothers who basically led the ring. I think either one or both of them made it t0 the Saturday metrop meetings but we decided it was more profitable to be on the ground rather than on the stand. That decision, coupled with our best form analyst going to work for Mark Read, eventually led to our group dissolving. But, obviously, I digress. Suffice to say Tony, your story brought back many memories and for that I'm truly grateful Cheers all. Rob _____ From: Phil Buckland > To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' > Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 3:14 AM Subject: Re: [AusRace] Tarcoola - The Horse and the House Interesting Read Tony --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ozrob1711 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 12 02:49:40 2017 From: ozrob1711 at yahoo.com (Rob Creighton) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 16:49:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AusRace] Tarcoola - The Horse and the House In-Reply-To: <000001d329c9$7044f8d0$50ceea70$@bigpond.com> References: <000001d320c7$9fc2f090$df48d1b0$@bigpond.com> <01ca01d3288b$121c8320$36558960$@id.au> <2131710413.5392643.1504885051372@mail.yahoo.com> <000001d329c9$7044f8d0$50ceea70$@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <203311225.1506270.1505148580504@mail.yahoo.com> My working days at the track started the day Coolalinga won the Newmarket for Cyril Beechey, I think (1974? Maybe 1975). I worked with Arthur Browning on the interstate rails for about 12 or 13 years before a good friend decided he needed a penciller/bagman. So I left the metropolitan meetings and started regular Kembla/Canberra trips with Saturday nights at Wentworth Park thrown in when travel allowed. Good days then. A real blast. Calling the odds, including the fractions... loved it! ?I've visited Rosehill a couple of times on recent trips home and its all very clinical now.. shame, but that's progress (or is it regress?) ?:) ?Cheers.?Rob? From: Tony Moffat To: 'Rob Creighton' ; 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 5:12 PM Subject: RE: [AusRace] Tarcoola - The Horse and the House #yiv5557993541 #yiv5557993541 -- _filtered #yiv5557993541 {font-family:Helvetica;panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;} _filtered #yiv5557993541 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv5557993541 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv5557993541 {font-family:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}#yiv5557993541 #yiv5557993541 p.yiv5557993541MsoNormal, #yiv5557993541 li.yiv5557993541MsoNormal, #yiv5557993541 div.yiv5557993541MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv5557993541 a:link, #yiv5557993541 span.yiv5557993541MsoHyperlink {color:#0563C1;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv5557993541 a:visited, #yiv5557993541 span.yiv5557993541MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:#954F72;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv5557993541 span.yiv5557993541EmailStyle17 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv5557993541 .yiv5557993541MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv5557993541 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv5557993541 div.yiv5557993541WordSection1 {}#yiv5557993541 Rob, Phil, Stuart and some lurkers who responded otherwise ? thanks ?Dad and Mum lived at ?Tarcoola? between 1966 and 1970 ? so, not from 1956 as I typed. ?I worked for a few months for Pitt, Son and Badgery, lumping still, and in the Winchombe,Carson wool store ?the floor boards were 9 inches thick.and the internal uprights were 4 feet by four feet, and three stories tall ?that is solid wood ? funny how that sticks, as does the nameof a cat and a girls nick name but not her real name, although she was born on February 29. I?m losing it, man.I left town in the new school year to go to school in Sydney, a Uni requirement, and supported myself by working in a laundry and dry cleaner shop in the afternoons and evenings.I returned on Saturday mornings, often by train from Central, to play footie returning on the 2100 hour train to get home after midnight if the ferry was running, or I took the bike down there on Friday and came back on Sunday, it depends where we were playing though, Canberra more often.I was in the banking trade momentarily and I worked for bookmakers Terry and Kevin on summer Saturdays but the bank did not approve so I became the greenkeepers bitch at a golf club, and stayed with Terry. I went from there to eventually working on the bag or pencilling or both for Lew Weymiss, I wrote about that previously, at the red hots in the Riverina area, then in Melbourne at the races. ?Cheers ?Tony ? ? ?From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of Rob Creighton Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 11:38 PM To: AusRace Racing Discussion List Subject: Re: [AusRace] Tarcoola - The Horse and the House ?Yes, it was (an interesting read). Thanks for sharing. ?Tony, it brought back memories of days in the 70's when I used to haul greyhounds to race at Queanbeyan. As we left Goulburn heading South, I took a left turn a couple of hundred yards from the address you mentioned.... and yes, they were yards not metres :)?I think the last time I wnet through there was on the way home from Canberra races in about 1984 or 1985. We were fielding back then trying to earn our way onto the metropolitan tracks. There were a couple of young-ish (compared to me in my mid-30s) brothers who basically led the ring. I think either one or both of them made it t0 the Saturday metrop meetings but we decided it was more profitable to be on the ground rather than on the stand. That decision, coupled with our best form analyst going to work for Mark Read, eventually led to our group dissolving. ?But, obviously, I digress. Suffice to say Tony, your story brought back many memories and for that I'm truly grateful ?Cheers all. ?Rob ?From: Phil Buckland To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 3:14 AM Subject: Re: [AusRace] Tarcoola - The Horse and the House ?Interesting Read Tony ? | | This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. www.avg.com | -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From phil at buckland.id.au Fri Sep 15 21:01:53 2017 From: phil at buckland.id.au (Phil Buckland) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 21:01:53 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] Tarcoola - The Horse and the House In-Reply-To: <000001d329c9$7044f8d0$50ceea70$@bigpond.com> References: <000001d320c7$9fc2f090$df48d1b0$@bigpond.com> <01ca01d3288b$121c8320$36558960$@id.au> <2131710413.5392643.1504885051372@mail.yahoo.com> <000001d329c9$7044f8d0$50ceea70$@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <00a501d32e12$0b2fd710$218f8530$@id.au> Sounds like you would have kept pretty fit doing all that work as well, try getting a 20yo to do that now From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of Tony Moffat Sent: 10 September 2017 10:12 AM To: 'Rob Creighton'; 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: Re: [AusRace] Tarcoola - The Horse and the House Rob, Phil, Stuart and some lurkers who responded otherwise ? thanks Dad and Mum lived at ?Tarcoola? between 1966 and 1970 ? so, not from 1956 as I typed. I worked for a few months for Pitt, Son and Badgery, lumping still, and in the Winchombe,Carson wool store ?the floor boards were 9 inches thick. and the internal uprights were 4 feet by four feet, and three stories tall ?that is solid wood ? funny how that sticks, as does the name of a cat and a girls nick name but not her real name, although she was born on February 29. I?m losing it, man. I left town in the new school year to go to school in Sydney, a Uni requirement, and supported myself by working in a laundry and dry cleaner shop in the afternoons and evenings. I returned on Saturday mornings, often by train from Central, to play footie returning on the 2100 hour train to get home after midnight if the ferry was running, or I took the bike down there on Friday and came back on Sunday, it depends where we were playing though, Canberra more often. I was in the banking trade momentarily and I worked for bookmakers Terry and Kevin on summer Saturdays but the bank did not approve so I became the greenkeepers bitch at a golf club, and stayed with Terry. I went from there to eventually working on the bag or pencilling or both for Lew Weymiss, I wrote about that previously, at the red hots in the Riverina area, then in Melbourne at the races. Cheers Tony From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of Rob Creighton Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 11:38 PM To: AusRace Racing Discussion List Subject: Re: [AusRace] Tarcoola - The Horse and the House Yes, it was (an interesting read). Thanks for sharing. Tony, it brought back memories of days in the 70's when I used to haul greyhounds to race at Queanbeyan. As we left Goulburn heading South, I took a left turn a couple of hundred yards from the address you mentioned.... and yes, they were yards not metres :) I think the last time I wnet through there was on the way home from Canberra races in about 1984 or 1985. We were fielding back then trying to earn our way onto the metropolitan tracks. There were a couple of young-ish (compared to me in my mid-30s) brothers who basically led the ring. I think either one or both of them made it t0 the Saturday metrop meetings but we decided it was more profitable to be on the ground rather than on the stand. That decision, coupled with our best form analyst going to work for Mark Read, eventually led to our group dissolving. But, obviously, I digress. Suffice to say Tony, your story brought back many memories and for that I'm truly grateful Cheers all. Rob _____ From: Phil Buckland To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 3:14 AM Subject: Re: [AusRace] Tarcoola - The Horse and the House Interesting Read Tony _____ AVG logo This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. www.avg.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From phil at buckland.id.au Fri Sep 15 21:06:28 2017 From: phil at buckland.id.au (Phil Buckland) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 21:06:28 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] Tarcoola - The Horse and the House In-Reply-To: <203311225.1506270.1505148580504@mail.yahoo.com> References: <000001d320c7$9fc2f090$df48d1b0$@bigpond.com> <01ca01d3288b$121c8320$36558960$@id.au> <2131710413.5392643.1504885051372@mail.yahoo.com> <000001d329c9$7044f8d0$50ceea70$@bigpond.com> <203311225.1506270.1505148580504@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00aa01d32e12$af0a1940$0d1e4bc0$@id.au> I agree, so different from the old days?.you cant even play up to the bookmakers now, or they play up to you, eg recent years ?90?s Mark Reed was a real character of the ring From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of Rob Creighton Sent: 12 September 2017 2:50 AM To: Tony Moffat; 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: Re: [AusRace] Tarcoola - The Horse and the House My working days at the track started the day Coolalinga won the Newmarket for Cyril Beechey, I think (1974? Maybe 1975). I worked with Arthur Browning on the interstate rails for about 12 or 13 years before a good friend decided he needed a penciller/bagman. So I left the metropolitan meetings and started regular Kembla/Canberra trips with Saturday nights at Wentworth Park thrown in when travel allowed. Good days then. A real blast. Calling the odds, including the fractions... loved it! I've visited Rosehill a couple of times on recent trips home and its all very clinical now.. shame, but that's progress (or is it regress?) :) Cheers. Rob _____ From: Tony Moffat To: 'Rob Creighton' ; 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 5:12 PM Subject: RE: [AusRace] Tarcoola - The Horse and the House Rob, Phil, Stuart and some lurkers who responded otherwise ? thanks Dad and Mum lived at ?Tarcoola? between 1966 and 1970 ? so, not from 1956 as I typed. I worked for a few months for Pitt, Son and Badgery, lumping still, and in the Winchombe,Carson wool store ?the floor boards were 9 inches thick. and the internal uprights were 4 feet by four feet, and three stories tall ?that is solid wood ? funny how that sticks, as does the name of a cat and a girls nick name but not her real name, although she was born on February 29. I?m losing it, man. I left town in the new school year to go to school in Sydney, a Uni requirement, and supported myself by working in a laundry and dry cleaner shop in the afternoons and evenings. I returned on Saturday mornings, often by train from Central, to play footie returning on the 2100 hour train to get home after midnight if the ferry was running, or I took the bike down there on Friday and came back on Sunday, it depends where we were playing though, Canberra more often. I was in the banking trade momentarily and I worked for bookmakers Terry and Kevin on summer Saturdays but the bank did not approve so I became the greenkeepers bitch at a golf club, and stayed with Terry. I went from there to eventually working on the bag or pencilling or both for Lew Weymiss, I wrote about that previously, at the red hots in the Riverina area, then in Melbourne at the races. Cheers Tony From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of Rob Creighton Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 11:38 PM To: AusRace Racing Discussion List Subject: Re: [AusRace] Tarcoola - The Horse and the House Yes, it was (an interesting read). Thanks for sharing. Tony, it brought back memories of days in the 70's when I used to haul greyhounds to race at Queanbeyan. As we left Goulburn heading South, I took a left turn a couple of hundred yards from the address you mentioned.... and yes, they were yards not metres :) I think the last time I wnet through there was on the way home from Canberra races in about 1984 or 1985. We were fielding back then trying to earn our way onto the metropolitan tracks. There were a couple of young-ish (compared to me in my mid-30s) brothers who basically led the ring. I think either one or both of them made it t0 the Saturday metrop meetings but we decided it was more profitable to be on the ground rather than on the stand. That decision, coupled with our best form analyst going to work for Mark Read, eventually led to our group dissolving. But, obviously, I digress. Suffice to say Tony, your story brought back many memories and for that I'm truly grateful Cheers all. Rob _____ From: Phil Buckland To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 3:14 AM Subject: Re: [AusRace] Tarcoola - The Horse and the House Interesting Read Tony _____ AVG logo This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. www.avg.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter_dean34 at hotmail.com Fri Sep 15 21:18:52 2017 From: peter_dean34 at hotmail.com (Peter Dean) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 11:18:52 +0000 Subject: [AusRace] Jockey Rating Thoughts Message-ID: Hi, I am using a set of jockey ratings that have been calculated over a 12 mnth history. Naturally there are potentially some inaccuracies with jockeys currently out of form or others recently improved and not commanding a high rating. My question is has anyone ever done any analysis to determine the optimum period over which to calculate the rating and how often to update it ? Thanks in advance. 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Terry ________________________________ From: Racing on behalf of Peter Dean Sent: Friday, 15 September 2017 9:18 PM To: racing at ausrace.com Subject: [AusRace] Jockey Rating Thoughts Hi, I am using a set of jockey ratings that have been calculated over a 12 mnth history. Naturally there are potentially some inaccuracies with jockeys currently out of form or others recently improved and not commanding a high rating. My question is has anyone ever done any analysis to determine the optimum period over which to calculate the rating and how often to update it ? Thanks in advance. Peter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikemcb at southcom.com.au Sun Sep 17 11:34:14 2017 From: mikemcb at southcom.com.au (mikemcb at southcom.com.au) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 11:34:14 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] Jockey Rating Thoughts Message-ID: <001c01d32f55$1281abd0$37850370$@southcom.com.au> Peter & Terry & Co I have produced both Jockey and Trainer ratings since April 2016, firstly over a 3 month period, then 6 months, then 9 months, 12 months and recently 14 months. The performance did appear to improve at 6 months but I have detected very little change since then. To me the most interesting thing has been that my Trainer ratings outperform the Jockey ratings when it comes to profitable selections. The Strike Rate for my Trainer ratings was fractionally lower but the POT% was almost twice as good as for the Jockey ratings. Mike. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From RaceStats at hotmail.com Sun Sep 17 12:04:05 2017 From: RaceStats at hotmail.com (Race Stats) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 02:04:05 +0000 Subject: [AusRace] Jockey Rating Thoughts In-Reply-To: <001c01d32f55$1281abd0$37850370$@southcom.com.au> References: <001c01d32f55$1281abd0$37850370$@southcom.com.au> Message-ID: That doesn't surprise me Mike, jockeys are only as good as the rides they get. Trainers are only as good as the horses they get. Generally speaking. So if a trainer starts getting good horses, it reflects a purple patch for the stable and non stable jockeys which get given the rides. Lindsay From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of mikemcb at southcom.com.au Sent: Sunday, 17 September 2017 11:34 AM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: [AusRace] Jockey Rating Thoughts Peter & Terry & Co I have produced both Jockey and Trainer ratings since April 2016, firstly over a 3 month period, then 6 months, then 9 months, 12 months and recently 14 months. The performance did appear to improve at 6 months but I have detected very little change since then. To me the most interesting thing has been that my Trainer ratings outperform the Jockey ratings when it comes to profitable selections. The Strike Rate for my Trainer ratings was fractionally lower but the POT% was almost twice as good as for the Jockey ratings. Mike. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tonymoffat at bigpond.com Sun Sep 17 17:41:34 2017 From: tonymoffat at bigpond.com (Tony Moffat) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 15:41:34 +0800 Subject: [AusRace] Jockey Rating Thoughts and Jockeys - exceed and excel Message-ID: <000501d32f88$6464c620$2d2e5260$@bigpond.com> There is a jockey data database at : http://www.rbratings.com.au/ratings/jockey-ratings/ John Hunter (from RB Ratings) was contacted by me and has permitted the inclusion of the link above - thanks John. RB Ratings can be viewed at : http://www.rbratings.com.au/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And following is some more data on jockeys - Some of us may think the jockey role is to complete the picture within the rules of racing. Eg,provide the correct handicap weight, display the coloured silks. -----Original Message----- From: Tony Moffat [mailto:tonymoffat at bigpond.com] Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 11:38 AM To: 'L.B.Loveday' ; 'AusRace Mailing List' Subject: RE: [AusRace] Jockeys - exceed and excel Plante had the rule of categorising jockeys by their finish positions Biggs earlier had the place sr% divided by the sr% of all jockeys (a la .31/.2595 to give an iv/rf of 1.19 which was eloquent) - I sought and obtained permission from Mr Biggs to use this information Thank you Roger -iv=impact value, rf = relative frequency A friend uses prices of past rides and the race result ? utilising the CRIS db and bets on jockeys only (yes, disregarding the horse input) Presumably, I have permitted jockeys to underwhelm me ? personally, I thought Luke Nolan rides on Black Cav were uninspired. But he is a genius by association, perhaps they all are elevated into nebulous god-like relevance because of the endeavours of the horse. Perhaps investigating interwoven form lines is maths enough and who needs to involve the human element when choosing to bet or not. Jockeys get paid, no matter what, and get more sheckles based on results. Pay them only for places and see if that improves their score line Cheers Tony -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Subject: Re: [AusRace] Jockeys - exceed and excel Quote: Len - that correlation would not be obvious until after the next race, would it? It's obvious, on average, from the past records - there have been literally millions of past consecutive rides and the only way I have to estimate the future in this case is by analyzing the past - I can't know MichelPayne is going to go on a Bali binge, boozing with the boys, and severely restrict riding track work, but I can know that when, on average, a rider is riding unplaced favourites, she/he/it is a good lay next start. Ask Con K. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Moffat" To:"L.B.Loveday" , "AusRace Mailing List" Cc: Sent:Sun, 5 Jun 2016 09:54:14 +0800 Subject:RE: [AusRace] Jockeys - exceed and excel Len - that correlation would not be obvious until after the next race, would it? I can go with the bottled enthusiasm but. Do jockeys get the yips, he asks. Young Shelley won a couple recently Have her previous unplaced rides won again/improved? 22/05 -Casterton Barely a Scent Linda Meech unplaced 28/05 -Doomben La Passe Brad Rawiller unplaced 04/06 - Sandown Jalan Jalan D Oliver unplaced Exposed jockey capability is covered in that not so in depth expose Is it a ride that suits the horse capability although the rider would not be aware of its attributes. Most often seen when they back up into a place You can discount collusion between riders because it's criminal. The handicappers have done their best to even things out however there are a number of BM horses winning again after months of contesting stronger races - punching above their weight limit so to speak. How come? Perhaps, ridden similarly to a previous winning ride - as related by the talking head on tv. And back to grade it has to be said. Or a better barrier. My stance is that the jockey input is over rated Cheers Tony On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Subject: Re: [AusRace] Jockeys - exceed and excel There is a clear statistically significant correlation between a jockey's consecutive finish positions, just as there is between a basketball player's consecutive shots for goal. And it makes sense - from football days, a player who has just taken a specy and kicked a 60 yard goal walks tall while someone who has dropped a sitter in the backlines that allowed his opponent to snap a goal slumps his shoulders. And a player who walks tall is, on average, more likely to do well than one with his shoulders slumped. So why wouldn't a jockey, on average, who has just won do better next start than one who has just ridden an unplaced favourite? No sophisticated algorithm, and certain not a neural, needed Tony. Con K's odds reflected that without either. LBL Subject:[AusRace] Jockeys - exceed and excel Some of us may think the jockey role is to complete the picture within the rules of racing. Eg,provide the correct handicap weight, display the coloured silks. However, several riders helped themselves to multiple winners today. Mathew Neilson rode 4 in Morphettville. Koby Jennings rode 4 at Rosehill.Deanne Panya rode a double there also. Dwayne Dunn rode a double at Sandown. Sigrid Carr, Brendon McCoull, Daniel Ganderton rode a double at Devonport. Nozi Tomizawa rode a treble at Toowoomba.Josh Oliver, Brendon Newport rode a double there also. Shelby Colgate rode a double at Roebourne. Just saying. An algorithm or neural table to determine when their superlatives are due is needed. Or is it just the horse? Cheers Tony _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ AusRace mailing list AusRace at ausrace.com http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/ausrace --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com From phil at buckland.id.au Sun Sep 17 19:20:08 2017 From: phil at buckland.id.au (Phil Buckland) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 19:20:08 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] Jockey Rating Thoughts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00d701d32f96$29a586b0$7cf09410$@id.au> Hi Peter, I have Jockey and Trainer ratings as a basis of my ratings program. I have done numerous test with the ratings over time frames, and I have found 3 months to be optimal for both sets. The trainers do perform better as Mike says, but it also depends on what you base the ratings on??? - I believe this is the key to the ratings. There is allot more than strike rate, POT, Odds of horses etc when it comes to both Jockey and Trainer ratings, this is where allot of these type of rating fall over, as they lack true ability to judge a jockey or a trainer. Phil From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of terry styles Sent: 17 September 2017 8:30 AM To: AusRace Racing Discussion List Subject: Re: [AusRace] Jockey Rating Thoughts Peter, You should be putting a South African Jockey right up there with the HK champ on some measures and actually ahed on others but Len might disagree with me whenit comes to their 'value' to you as a bettor. Len knows more than most but may not want to share much! Punter behaviour may confuse any jockey rating values you come up with and this behaviour may also change over time as perceptions change. So the question becomes what is more important - jockey rating or punter behaviour to your bottom line? Possibly the answer changes quite radically over time and noticing this early on may give you an edge ....... for a time ..... but not forever. Terry _____ From: Racing on behalf of Peter Dean Sent: Friday, 15 September 2017 9:18 PM To: racing at ausrace.com Subject: [AusRace] Jockey Rating Thoughts Hi, I am using a set of jockey ratings that have been calculated over a 12 mnth history. Naturally there are potentially some inaccuracies with jockeys currently out of form or others recently improved and not commanding a high rating. My question is has anyone ever done any analysis to determine the optimum period over which to calculate the rating and how often to update it ? Thanks in advance. Peter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter_dean34 at hotmail.com Sun Sep 17 20:33:28 2017 From: peter_dean34 at hotmail.com (Peter Dean) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 10:33:28 +0000 Subject: [AusRace] Jockey Rating Thoughts In-Reply-To: References: <001c01d32f55$1281abd0$37850370$@southcom.com.au>, Message-ID: Mike & Co, Thanks for responding. I was considering using the 6 month period so nice to hear that aligns with your experience. Run an update on a weekly basis, this may be more frequent than beneficial but is painless to do. Thanks for the tip on the trainer, I have their ratings and consider in conjunction with jockeys but not in isolation as an alternative. Will run some analysis on my data and see if it lines up with your experience. Cheers, Peter Get Outlook for Android From: Race Stats Sent: Sunday, 17 September, 12:04 pm Subject: Re: [AusRace] Jockey Rating Thoughts To: AusRace Racing Discussion List That doesn?t surprise me Mike, jockeys are only as good as the rides they get. Trainers are only as good as the horses they get. Generally speaking. So if a trainer starts getting good horses, it reflects a purple patch for the stable and non stable jockeys which get given the rides. Lindsay From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of mikemcb at southcom.com.au Sent: Sunday, 17 September 2017 11:34 AM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: [AusRace] Jockey Rating Thoughts Peter & Terry & Co I have produced both Jockey and Trainer ratings since April 2016, firstly over a 3 month period, then 6 months, then 9 months, 12 months and recently 14 months. The performance did appear to improve at 6 months but I have detected very little change since then. To me the most interesting thing has been that my Trainer ratings outperform the Jockey ratings when it comes to profitable selections. The Strike Rate for my Trainer ratings was fractionally lower but the POT% was almost twice as good as for the Jockey ratings. Mike. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tonymoffat at bigpond.com Sun Sep 17 20:56:54 2017 From: tonymoffat at bigpond.com (Tony Moffat) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 18:56:54 +0800 Subject: [AusRace] Jockey Rating Thoughts and Jockeys - exceed and excel Message-ID: <000201d32fa3$ad347fb0$079d7f10$@bigpond.com> Re-send - it went elsewhere I'm told, first time around. -----Original Message----- From: Tony Moffat [mailto:tonymoffat at bigpond.com] Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 3:42 PM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: Jockey Rating Thoughts and [AusRace] Jockeys - exceed and excel There is a jockey data database at : http://www.rbratings.com.au/ratings/jockey-ratings/ John Hunter (from RB Ratings) was contacted by me and has permitted the inclusion of the link above - thanks John. RB Ratings can be viewed at : http://www.rbratings.com.au/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And following is some more data on jockeys - Some of us may think the jockey role is to complete the picture within the rules of racing. Eg,provide the correct handicap weight, display the coloured silks. -----Original Message----- From: Tony Moffat [mailto:tonymoffat at bigpond.com] Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 11:38 AM To: 'L.B.Loveday' ; 'AusRace Mailing List' Subject: RE: [AusRace] Jockeys - exceed and excel Plante had the rule of categorising jockeys by their finish positions Biggs earlier had the place sr% divided by the sr% of all jockeys (a la .31/.2595 to give an iv/rf of 1.19 which was eloquent) - I sought and obtained permission from Mr Biggs to use this information Thank you Roger -iv=impact value, rf = relative frequency A friend uses prices of past rides and the race result ? utilising the CRIS db and bets on jockeys only (yes, disregarding the horse input) Presumably, I have permitted jockeys to underwhelm me ? personally, I thought Luke Nolan rides on Black Cav were uninspired. But he is a genius by association, perhaps they all are elevated into nebulous god-like relevance because of the endeavours of the horse. Perhaps investigating interwoven form lines is maths enough and who needs to involve the human element when choosing to bet or not. Jockeys get paid, no matter what, and get more sheckles based on results. Pay them only for places and see if that improves their score line Cheers Tony -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Subject: Re: [AusRace] Jockeys - exceed and excel Quote: Len - that correlation would not be obvious until after the next race, would it? It's obvious, on average, from the past records - there have been literally millions of past consecutive rides and the only way I have to estimate the future in this case is by analyzing the past - I can't know MichelPayne is going to go on a Bali binge, boozing with the boys, and severely restrict riding track work, but I can know that when, on average, a rider is riding unplaced favourites, she/he/it is a good lay next start. Ask Con K. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Moffat" To:"L.B.Loveday" , "AusRace Mailing List" Cc: Sent:Sun, 5 Jun 2016 09:54:14 +0800 Subject:RE: [AusRace] Jockeys - exceed and excel Len - that correlation would not be obvious until after the next race, would it? I can go with the bottled enthusiasm but. Do jockeys get the yips, he asks. Young Shelley won a couple recently Have her previous unplaced rides won again/improved? 22/05 -Casterton Barely a Scent Linda Meech unplaced 28/05 -Doomben La Passe Brad Rawiller unplaced 04/06 - Sandown Jalan Jalan D Oliver unplaced Exposed jockey capability is covered in that not so in depth expose Is it a ride that suits the horse capability although the rider would not be aware of its attributes. Most often seen when they back up into a place You can discount collusion between riders because it's criminal. The handicappers have done their best to even things out however there are a number of BM horses winning again after months of contesting stronger races - punching above their weight limit so to speak. How come? Perhaps, ridden similarly to a previous winning ride - as related by the talking head on tv. And back to grade it has to be said. Or a better barrier. My stance is that the jockey input is over rated Cheers Tony On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Subject: Re: [AusRace] Jockeys - exceed and excel There is a clear statistically significant correlation between a jockey's consecutive finish positions, just as there is between a basketball player's consecutive shots for goal. And it makes sense - from football days, a player who has just taken a specy and kicked a 60 yard goal walks tall while someone who has dropped a sitter in the backlines that allowed his opponent to snap a goal slumps his shoulders. And a player who walks tall is, on average, more likely to do well than one with his shoulders slumped. So why wouldn't a jockey, on average, who has just won do better next start than one who has just ridden an unplaced favourite? No sophisticated algorithm, and certain not a neural, needed Tony. Con K's odds reflected that without either. LBL Subject:[AusRace] Jockeys - exceed and excel Some of us may think the jockey role is to complete the picture within the rules of racing. Eg,provide the correct handicap weight, display the coloured silks. However, several riders helped themselves to multiple winners today. Mathew Neilson rode 4 in Morphettville. Koby Jennings rode 4 at Rosehill.Deanne Panya rode a double there also. Dwayne Dunn rode a double at Sandown. Sigrid Carr, Brendon McCoull, Daniel Ganderton rode a double at Devonport. Nozi Tomizawa rode a treble at Toowoomba.Josh Oliver, Brendon Newport rode a double there also. Shelby Colgate rode a double at Roebourne. Just saying. An algorithm or neural table to determine when their superlatives are due is needed. Or is it just the horse? Cheers Tony _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ AusRace mailing list AusRace at ausrace.com http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/ausrace --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com From nick.aubrey at twonix.com Mon Sep 18 00:27:26 2017 From: nick.aubrey at twonix.com (Nick at Twonix) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 00:27:26 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] Jockey Rating Thoughts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000201d32fc1$17ad18d0$47074a70$@twonix.com> Hi Peter, I have been playing around with displaying race results in Power BI and have now developed a very powerful way to check on a jockey's performance over the last month last 3 months, last 6 months, last 12 months or longer. My race results data now goes back to September 2012 and covers over 1 ,0000, 000 horse runs. In general the better the jockey the better the strike rate but sadly the worse the punting return. For example Hugh Bowman has had a 19% strike rate over last 12 months (the average jockey strike rate is 10%) but you would lose about 11% on turnover if you backed every runner on TAB VIC in proportion to its odds. Compare that to Emily Finnegan in SA who has a 16% strike rate over last 12 months (some 440 rides) and you would have WON 14% on turnover if you backed every runner on TAB VIC ! My Power BI race results site is available for FREE until the end of this year (compliments to Microsoft who is providing the service FREE for the time being) and I have just upgraded it to allow you to view the results of all runners in a race and then drill down by either horse (see all its runs since 2012) or jockey (summary of all rides since 2012) in a single mouse click. The jockey stats include analysis by month, by Grade, by Track Condition and by Distance. No surprise that Damien Oliver is the best and most profitable Aus jockey in staying races over the last 6 years. His ride on Almandin on Saturday was fantastic. If you have already registered then click on the link : View ANCR Race Results in Power BI If you haven't registered (its FREE) then go to http://www.puntforprofit.com.au/e-p-i-extreme-punter-intelligence/ and follow the prompts. All race results up to Saturday 16/9/2017 are included. And I update the results weekly. Cheers, AN From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of Peter Dean Sent: Friday, 15 September 2017 9:19 PM To: racing at ausrace.com Subject: [AusRace] Jockey Rating Thoughts Hi, I am using a set of jockey ratings that have been calculated over a 12 mnth history. Naturally there are potentially some inaccuracies with jockeys currently out of form or others recently improved and not commanding a high rating. My question is has anyone ever done any analysis to determine the optimum period over which to calculate the rating and how often to update it ? Thanks in advance. Peter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ral16763 at bigpond.net.au Mon Sep 18 06:30:08 2017 From: ral16763 at bigpond.net.au (Robert Aldridge) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 06:30:08 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] Jockey Rating Thoughts In-Reply-To: <000201d32fc1$17ad18d0$47074a70$@twonix.com> References: <000201d32fc1$17ad18d0$47074a70$@twonix.com> Message-ID: <000001d32ff3$c11a96e0$434fc4a0$@bigpond.net.au> Hi Nick, That is interesting about Hugh Bowman, I might have to check out what his rides are like when laying him on the Betfair exchange. Because if his odds are reasonably low that would play into the mantra of lay as short as you can with the opposite for backing. This would mean 81% lay collect rate. Yes something to test with a Betfair bot which may not come to anything but possibly worth a test anyway Thanks for the info. Cheers, Robert A From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of Nick at Twonix Sent: Monday, 18 September 2017 12:27 AM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: Re: [AusRace] Jockey Rating Thoughts Hi Peter, I have been playing around with displaying race results in Power BI and have now developed a very powerful way to check on a jockey's performance over the last month last 3 months, last 6 months, last 12 months or longer. My race results data now goes back to September 2012 and covers over 1 ,0000, 000 horse runs. In general the better the jockey the better the strike rate but sadly the worse the punting return. For example Hugh Bowman has had a 19% strike rate over last 12 months (the average jockey strike rate is 10%) but you would lose about 11% on turnover if you backed every runner on TAB VIC in proportion to its odds. Compare that to Emily Finnegan in SA who has a 16% strike rate over last 12 months (some 440 rides) and you would have WON 14% on turnover if you backed every runner on TAB VIC ! My Power BI race results site is available for FREE until the end of this year (compliments to Microsoft who is providing the service FREE for the time being) and I have just upgraded it to allow you to view the results of all runners in a race and then drill down by either horse (see all its runs since 2012) or jockey (summary of all rides since 2012) in a single mouse click. The jockey stats include analysis by month, by Grade, by Track Condition and by Distance. No surprise that Damien Oliver is the best and most profitable Aus jockey in staying races over the last 6 years. His ride on Almandin on Saturday was fantastic. If you have already registered then click on the link : View ANCR Race Results in Power BI If you haven't registered (its FREE) then go to http://www.puntforprofit.com.au/e-p-i-extreme-punter-intelligence/ and follow the prompts. All race results up to Saturday 16/9/2017 are included. And I update the results weekly. Cheers, AN From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of Peter Dean Sent: Friday, 15 September 2017 9:19 PM To: racing at ausrace.com Subject: [AusRace] Jockey Rating Thoughts Hi, I am using a set of jockey ratings that have been calculated over a 12 mnth history. Naturally there are potentially some inaccuracies with jockeys currently out of form or others recently improved and not commanding a high rating. My question is has anyone ever done any analysis to determine the optimum period over which to calculate the rating and how often to update it ? Thanks in advance. Peter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From earnestern at gmail.com Mon Sep 25 17:39:59 2017 From: earnestern at gmail.com (Er Nest) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 17:39:59 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] Pete's Weekly Report In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The first thing that struck me was how easy it was to get to there - with only a change of train at Ashfield and another at Clyde. And for free, thanks to the TAB's free day promotion. Mind you, I was soon down $15 after lining up for squid and chips. It has to be said, though, that it was very nice. I then went around to the stalls. It was hot. Very hot. And they've installed a neat misting system above all the stalls. It was about one o'clock by this time and the stalls were only sparsely populated. I think the first horses I saw were Bjorn Baker's: Imposing Lass and Lubiton. The "Champagne Cuddles' stall was empty. Small and chestnut, she looks adorable on televsion - so it was a disappointment that she wasn't there. On the opposite side of the exercise ring, Gai Waterhouse's horses were stationed where Gai Waterhouse horses were stationed years ago. It must be a thing. Only Dee I Cee, who had "run" in the Colin Stephen was there. Around the far side, the Waller horses were stationed in the stalls that I remember being occupied by the likes Racing To Win. Further down were the Godolphin horses, including Sanctioned, a lovely, long chestnut lump of a thing and younger brother of Malice, who was very good to me one afternoon three years ago, in the latter part of the spring. Two stable hands were looking after him and were joined by Darren Beadman, who suggested they leave him where he was (presumably because it was so hot). Around this time, race three must have been run because, as I made my way to the mounting yard, the big screen was showing a dividend of "1.60" for Don't Give A Damn, for the Highway Handicap. At the same time, Kerrin McEvoy cut a lonely figure trotting out toward the 1,800-metre point on Egg Tart (who I always read in the form guide as "Egg Fart"). A neat type, they set off very slowly but gradually gathered speed and ran a last 600, under minimal urging, in 35-something. Perhaps hungover from his solo ride, Kerrin McEvoy, on Up 'N' Rolling appeared bamboozled by the presence of other horses in race four and found himself on the back of an out-and-out walker and, if that wasn't bad enough, got hemmed in for a second time midway down the straight and got out far too late to reel in Alward. Too hot to go anywhere, I waited on the steps above the mounting yard. The fashions are extraordinary. Three girls sat down. Perhaps I'm jealous that I can't dress like that. Or maybe that girls didn't dress like that when I was that age. Dresses. Short, tight, very tight. Rolls of fat forming around her middle whenever she moved her legs. And you have to move your legs from time to time because the mounting yard steps are only so comfortable. Around the same time, the serious punter, with his notepad, who could easily pass for Tommy Lee Jones, turned up and had a brief chat with someone he knew. Some lads had a selfie with Hugh Bowman. The horses then turned up for race five, including the aforementioned Imposing Lass and Lubiton. Euro Angel still looks big in condition. Chris O'Brien, on Mighty Lucky, who the big screen indicated was specked from long odds, was the first to take his mount. Imposing Lass led but looked under pressure as they got into the straight. Then a man in a suit started chanting "Go Washington" and Washington Heights duly obliged - coming down the outside with a well-timed run for Kerrin McEvoy, who, in the space of 35 minutes, had rediscoved his ability to negotiate traffic. He and Mighty Lucky broke away from the others. The sound of whips and hooves hitting the turf. The man in the suit was happy with his work. I went back to waiting on the mounting yard steps. Gerald Ryan was non-committal about plans for Washington Heights. Eventually, the horses arrived for race six. Sanctioned, who I understand can be a bit of a rogue, was pretty good today - accompanied by two strappers. Darren Beadman, James Cummings, Hugh Bowman, and the rider of the stablemate, Astoria, gathered in the mounting yard. This looked a great race for a bet. The depth just didn't look there. And Sanctioned, coming off a second in the Stan Fox, looked the one. Bowman gave him a nice run, camping just off the leaders, and produced him turning for home. It all looked very good for a furlong or so but he just couldn't peg back Ace High, who had it easy in front. At least I'm an eachway punter. I then went to find a cup of coffee, and had to listen to an old bloke telling the girl behind the counter about how he found Ace High. Thanks for that. I went back to the mounting yard. A crowd was now gathering, both on the steps and in the mounting yard itself, including a tall, thin girl with dark red lipstick in a long, dark blue dress and red fascinator. There, it emerged, to sing the national anthem. The Golden Rose was run at a frenetic space and Trapese Artist did a Miss Finland. Tiny Champagne Cuddles was huge for second, while Menari, who looks exactly like out cat, found the 1,400 metres beyond him. Linda rang; and picked me up, with Stan and Flicky, from the infield car park. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From womble at internode.on.net Tue Sep 26 08:07:29 2017 From: womble at internode.on.net (Paul) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2017 08:07:29 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] Pete's Weekly Report Message-ID: <735xr365fy7h0jjs2gaxcds5.1506377249624@email.android.com> A blast from the past, good to see the weekly report again Pete Sent from my Samsung GALAXY S5 on the Telstra Mobile Network -------- Original message -------- From: Er Nest Date: 25/09/2017 17:39 (GMT+10:00) To: racing at ausrace.com Subject: [AusRace] Pete's Weekly Report The first thing that struck me was how easy it was to get to there - with only a change of train at Ashfield and another at Clyde.? And for free, thanks to the TAB's free day promotion.? Mind you, I was soon down $15 after lining up for squid and chips.? It has to be said, though, that it was very nice. I then went around to the stalls.? It was hot.? Very hot.? And they've installed a neat misting system above all the stalls.? It was about one o'clock by this time and the stalls were only sparsely populated.? I think the first horses I saw were Bjorn Baker's: Imposing Lass and Lubiton.? The "Champagne Cuddles' stall was empty.? Small and chestnut, she looks adorable on televsion - so it was a disappointment that she wasn't there. On the opposite side of the exercise ring, Gai Waterhouse's horses were stationed where Gai Waterhouse horses were stationed years ago.? It must be a thing.? Only Dee I Cee, who had "run" in the Colin Stephen was there.? Around the far side, the Waller horses were stationed in the stalls that I remember being occupied by the likes Racing To Win.? Further down were the Godolphin horses, including Sanctioned, a lovely, long chestnut lump of a thing and younger brother of Malice, who was very good to me one afternoon three years ago, in the latter part of the spring.? Two stable hands were looking after him and were joined by Darren Beadman, who suggested they leave him where he was (presumably because it was so hot). Around this time, race three must have been run because, as I made my way to the mounting yard, the big screen was showing a dividend of "1.60" for Don't Give A Damn, for the Highway Handicap.? At the same time, Kerrin McEvoy cut a lonely figure trotting out toward the 1,800-metre point on Egg Tart (who I always read in the form guide as "Egg Fart").? A neat type, they set off very slowly but gradually gathered speed and ran a last 600, under minimal urging, in 35-something. Perhaps hungover from his solo ride, Kerrin McEvoy, on Up 'N' Rolling appeared bamboozled by the presence of other horses in race four and found himself on the back of an out-and-out walker and, if that wasn't bad enough, got hemmed in for a second time midway down the straight and got out far too late to reel in Alward. Too hot to go anywhere, I waited on the steps above the mounting yard.? The fashions are extraordinary.? Three girls sat down.? Perhaps I'm jealous that I can't dress like that.? Or maybe that girls didn't dress like that when I was that age.? Dresses.? Short, tight, very tight.? Rolls of fat forming around her middle whenever she moved her legs.? And you have to move your legs from time to time because the mounting yard steps are only so comfortable.? Around the same time, the serious punter, with his notepad, who could easily pass for Tommy Lee Jones, turned up and had a brief chat with someone he knew.? Some lads had a selfie with Hugh Bowman. The horses then turned up for race five, including the aforementioned Imposing Lass and Lubiton.? Euro Angel still looks big in condition.? Chris O'Brien, on Mighty Lucky, who the big screen indicated was specked from long odds, was the first to take his mount.? Imposing Lass led but looked under pressure as they got into the straight.? Then a man in a suit started chanting "Go Washington" and Washington Heights duly obliged - coming down the outside with a well-timed run for Kerrin McEvoy, who, in the space of 35 minutes, had rediscoved his ability to negotiate traffic.? He and Mighty Lucky broke away from the others.? The sound of whips and hooves hitting the turf.? The man in the suit was happy with his work. I went back to waiting on the mounting yard steps.? Gerald Ryan was non-committal about plans for Washington Heights.? Eventually, the horses arrived for race six.? Sanctioned, who I understand can be a bit of a rogue, was pretty good today - accompanied by two strappers.? Darren Beadman, James Cummings, Hugh Bowman, and the rider of the stablemate, Astoria, gathered in the mounting yard.? This looked a great race for a bet.? The depth just didn't look there.? And Sanctioned, coming off a second in the Stan Fox, looked the one.? Bowman gave him a nice run, camping just off the leaders, and produced him turning for home.? It all looked very good for a furlong or so but he just couldn't peg back Ace High, who had it easy in front.? At least I'm an eachway punter. I then went to find a cup of coffee, and had to listen to an old bloke telling the girl behind the counter about how he found Ace High.? Thanks for that. I went back to the mounting yard.? A crowd was now gathering, both on the steps and in the mounting yard itself, including a tall, thin girl with dark red lipstick in a long, dark blue dress and red fascinator.? There, it emerged, to sing the national anthem. The Golden Rose was run at a frenetic space and Trapese Artist did a Miss Finland.? Tiny Champagne Cuddles was huge for second, while Menari, who looks exactly like out cat, found the 1,400 metres beyond him. 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