From doug at clarity.com.au Fri Jan 6 14:14:38 2017 From: doug at clarity.com.au (Doug Robb) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 03:14:38 +0000 Subject: [AusRace] first post Message-ID: <20baba906a734089a685ea48519ffc9e@syd1exchpmbx2.cloud.local> uno -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lloveday at ozemail.com.au Fri Jan 6 15:20:58 2017 From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2017 12:20:58 +0800 Subject: [AusRace] Is this the start of a new beginning ? Message-ID: <40d699f8119f864df5f563f0b6ba3adbd2d7b36d@webmail.iinet.net.au> Peter, Sus bits?in the article, if the date of the announcement is correct?- "Betting company William Hill has today announced the relaunch of the Centrebet website and app as a premium, best odds service. Yet already: Kingsley Bartholomew said ?Centrebet is the only bookmaker of choice for the dedicated punter. Their odds are the best in the market, and they take on winners including myself without closing accounts." Wow that was quick KB! I suspect the Bartholomews have a finger in the pie. ? LBL ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Australian Horse Racing" To:"ausrace at listserver.com.au" Cc: Sent:Wed, 4 Jan 2017 19:50:46 +0000 Subject:[AusRace] Is this the start of a new beginning ? https://www.punters.com.au/news/William-Hill-relaunch-Centrebet_156289/ [1] Links: ------ [1] https://www.punters.com.au/news/William-Hill-relaunch-Centrebet_156289/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From norsaintpublishing at gmail.com Fri Jan 6 22:00:21 2017 From: norsaintpublishing at gmail.com (norsaintpublishing at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 19:00:21 +0800 Subject: [AusRace] test Message-ID: I'm confused Doug. Sent with Mailtrack -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at clarity.com.au Sat Jan 7 01:53:41 2017 From: doug at clarity.com.au (Doug Robb) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 14:53:41 +0000 Subject: [AusRace] AusRace Rebooted in 2017 Message-ID: <33a49e087bc546059f0d745092be411f@syd1exchpmbx2.cloud.local> Hi Norsaint, Just keep going using this address and it will all be fine. I needed to shift email servers and ended up doing it in two hops instead of just one. I could have planned that better but it?s a quiet time of the year so was slack about it. I?ve been paying $100 US a month so after 20 years you can work out what it has cost me to keep the list going over the years. The post about ?new beginning? is prescient for AusRace as well. At a peak we had about 900 subscribers and now it?s down to 180 so it?s something for me to think about but I do have much up my sleeve. As always time is the enemy but we shall see what the new year brings. Doug From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of norsaintpublishing at gmail.com Sent: Friday, 6 January 2017 7:00 PM To: racing at ausrace.com Subject: [AusRace] test I'm confused Doug. [https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/mailtrack-crx/icon-signature.png] Sent with Mailtrack [https://mailtrack.io/trace/mail/9e5aeb20b2fa1a51d22ebefbf8040aa3828b1df4.png?u=1035275] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From norsaintpublishing at gmail.com Sat Jan 7 09:34:31 2017 From: norsaintpublishing at gmail.com (norsaintpublishing at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 06:34:31 +0800 Subject: [AusRace] AusRace Rebooted in 2017 In-Reply-To: <33a49e087bc546059f0d745092be411f@syd1exchpmbx2.cloud.local> References: <33a49e087bc546059f0d745092be411f@syd1exchpmbx2.cloud.local> Message-ID: Thanks Doug, you've done a sterling job. Not sure why you should have been carrying such a financial load alone. So nothing's changed? I haven't seen a post to Ausrace for since 30/12/16. Was I meant to have signed on somewhere else? Can't quite work it out. No matter, I'll read your older post. All the best, Nick Sent with Mailtrack On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 10:53 PM, Doug Robb wrote: > > > Hi Norsaint, > > > > Just keep going using this address and it will all be fine. I needed to > shift email servers and ended up doing it in two hops instead of just one. > I could have planned that better but it?s a quiet time of the year so was > slack about it. I?ve been paying $100 US a month so after 20 years you can > work out what it has cost me to keep the list going over the years. The > post about ?new beginning? is prescient for AusRace as well. At a peak we > had about 900 subscribers and now it?s down to 180 so it?s something for me > to think about but I do have much up my sleeve. As always time is the enemy > but we shall see what the new year brings. > > > > Doug > > > > > > *From:* Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] *On Behalf Of * > norsaintpublishing at gmail.com > *Sent:* Friday, 6 January 2017 7:00 PM > *To:* racing at ausrace.com > *Subject:* [AusRace] test > > > > I'm confused Doug. > > > > > Sent with Mailtrack > > > > _______________________________________________ > Racing mailing list > Racing at ausrace.com > http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kewlies at bigpond.net.au Sat Jan 7 12:48:53 2017 From: kewlies at bigpond.net.au (Doug Bond) Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2017 11:48:53 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] test Message-ID: --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From RaceStats at hotmail.com Sat Jan 7 13:05:02 2017 From: RaceStats at hotmail.com (Race Stats) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 02:05:02 +0000 Subject: [AusRace] AusRace Rebooted in 2017 In-Reply-To: References: <33a49e087bc546059f0d745092be411f@syd1exchpmbx2.cloud.local> Message-ID: I agree, I had no idea it was costing you that type of money Doug. I thought you were just running it off your own server. And a membership of 900 down to 180 is a wicked downturn. No wonder it?s quiet! Thanks for all you do Doug. Lindsay From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of norsaintpublishing at gmail.com Sent: Saturday, 7 January 2017 9:35 AM To: AusRace Racing Discussion List Subject: Re: [AusRace] AusRace Rebooted in 2017 Thanks Doug, you've done a sterling job. Not sure why you should have been carrying such a financial load alone. So nothing's changed? I haven't seen a post to Ausrace for since 30/12/16. Was I meant to have signed on somewhere else? Can't quite work it out. No matter, I'll read your older post. All the best, Nick [https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/mailtrack-crx/icon-signature.png] Sent with Mailtrack [https://mailtrack.io/trace/mail/63c1452b3ef94b39358402ec2789ba5d7a9cd333.png?u=1035275] On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 10:53 PM, Doug Robb > wrote: Hi Norsaint, Just keep going using this address and it will all be fine. I needed to shift email servers and ended up doing it in two hops instead of just one. I could have planned that better but it?s a quiet time of the year so was slack about it. I?ve been paying $100 US a month so after 20 years you can work out what it has cost me to keep the list going over the years. The post about ?new beginning? is prescient for AusRace as well. At a peak we had about 900 subscribers and now it?s down to 180 so it?s something for me to think about but I do have much up my sleeve. As always time is the enemy but we shall see what the new year brings. Doug From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of norsaintpublishing at gmail.com Sent: Friday, 6 January 2017 7:00 PM To: racing at ausrace.com Subject: [AusRace] test I'm confused Doug. [https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/mailtrack-crx/icon-signature.png] Sent with Mailtrack [X] _______________________________________________ Racing mailing list Racing at ausrace.com http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From punter at internode.on.net Wed Jan 11 16:19:50 2017 From: punter at internode.on.net (PhilM) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 15:49:50 +1030 Subject: [AusRace] AusRace Rebooted in 2017 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5a008f8f89aff7df71a0a5b820010d030b00c011@webmail.internode.on.net> ? Testing.... Send my REPLY [1] Links: ------ [1] https://webmail.internode.on.net/index.php/mail# -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kewlies at bigpond.net.au Wed Jan 11 16:22:44 2017 From: kewlies at bigpond.net.au (Doug Bond) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 15:22:44 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] test Message-ID: <613ccebc-1afd-4bd7-b818-c41699bda21f@getmailbird.com> message received Phil --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glittle4 at bigpond.net.au Wed Jan 11 17:17:32 2017 From: glittle4 at bigpond.net.au (Gerry Little) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 17:17:32 +1100 Subject: [AusRace] AusRace Rebooted in 2017 In-Reply-To: <5a008f8f89aff7df71a0a5b820010d030b00c011@webmail.internode.on.net> References: <5a008f8f89aff7df71a0a5b820010d030b00c011@webmail.internode.on.net> Message-ID: <006101d26bd2$65058350$2f1089f0$@bigpond.net.au> I?m totally lost with this stuff now. Gerry From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of PhilM Sent: Wednesday, 11 January 2017 4:20 PM To: AusRace Racing Discussion List Subject: Re: [AusRace] AusRace Rebooted in 2017 Testing.... Send my Reply _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7996 / Virus Database: 4749/13739 - Release Date: 01/09/17 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From punter at internode.on.net Wed Jan 11 18:31:26 2017 From: punter at internode.on.net (PhilM) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 18:01:26 +1030 Subject: [AusRace] test In-Reply-To: <613ccebc-1afd-4bd7-b818-c41699bda21f@getmailbird.com> Message-ID: <2edf3ff3004f5e286845114e23e606ce391fb25e@webmail.internode.on.net> ? Thanks Doug... hope this gets through to everyone, I'd love some feedback......... I posted this article a week ago at least but never saw it come back into my e-mail box as an Ausrace post, so I'll send again with some editing.... It's all hype as far as Centrebet accepting big bets go! William Hill/Centrebet, Crownbet, ?Classicbet, TopSport, Luxbet, Unibet all have computerised systems running now where they will never be top odds on any racehorse when betting first opens. ?My feeling is that they are working through Dynamic Odds. All of them wait for at least two bookies to put up their odds, almost always in order of TAB.com.au which then get hit, with Sportsbet most times waiting to see their odds coming in second,. Bet365, who don't care less about either of them and throw up their own opinions, either before or after the other two, except trying to get on for more than pennies is the problem with them. TattsBet once were game to put up their prices at times before these three but that seems to have stopped in recent weeks. I have not followed Ladbrokes for a long time but they would sometimes put up odds first but the very instant another bookie put up their market Ladbrokes would quite often dramatically change their odds in close line with this bookie. I think it's getting to a point where it's like the stock market high frequency trading systems, these bookies are moving so rapidly to adjust their odds and I guarantee you that most times William Hill/ Centrebet, Crownbet, ?Classicbet, TopSport, Luxbet, Unibet, Ladbrokes are not taking a single bet, regardless of what early fluctuations you see from them through Dynamic Odds. You can never take notice of their odds changes as if they have taken big bets on these horses... they have absolutely not! For example, Warwick Farm race 1 tlast Saturday TAB.com.au puts up their odds... Single Bullet 2.1 Callmetrouble 8 Colesberg ?11 Radiant Choice 4.6 Dunaton 101 Te Amo ?3.5 Charlie Chap 26 Bet365 on this occasion had their odds up before TABcorp , a huge difference with some..... Single Bullet 1.4 Callmetrouble 8 Colesberg ?16 Radiant Choice 6.0 Dunaton 101 Te Amo ?60 Charlie Chap 101 Sportsbet came in later with this race.... Single Bullet 1.45 Callmetrouble 11 Colesberg ?14 Radiant Choice 6.0 Dunaton 101 Te Amo ?5.5 Charlie Chap 67 Crownbet and Centrebet/Hill both came in to the market when it settled a lot closer and their odds were both set around half way between these three above if there is variation, if prices were the same for the three they might give equal odds, but never higher odds. The very moment say Sportsbet shortens their odds... these list of followers immediately do the same without a bet being written, making sure they are under top odds or perfectly in between the high and low odds elsewhere! With Hill and Crown the change is almost instantaneous. They have zero opinion of their own, their computerised system has them smashing the odds without a single bet being struck. For a month or two Hill actually took on at least one horse in a race at both Melbourne and Sydney tracks and would be top odds, but that ended weeks ago now. I believe Sportsbet sometimes plays games with these followers, dropping the odds on something without a bet being taken and watch the rest follow like the sheep they are. I think there is big opportunity here for those that have an accurate assessment of any race to manipulate the odds and catch these weak mongrels out. I hope it's happening a lot already! Recently I did a little test with three bets on the same horse at the same time with Tabcorp, Luxbet, Topsport... all to win under $100. They all came off the odds, and Hill, Crown and Unibet all dropped odds in unison without a bet being taken. Anyone would think there was a massive plunge in the early markets, not bets to win a total of under $300! So yeah, you might get on with Hill/Centrebet, but I assure you that you'll get better odds elsewhere at that very moment in time. Phil M ----- Original Message ----- From: "AusRace Racing Discussion List" To: Cc: Sent:Wed, 11 Jan 2017 15:22:44 +1000 Subject:[AusRace] test message received Phil ------------------------- [1] This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com [2] Links: ------ [1] https://www.avast.com/antivirus [2] https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From norsaintpublishing at gmail.com Wed Jan 11 20:51:33 2017 From: norsaintpublishing at gmail.com (norsaintpublishing at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 17:51:33 +0800 Subject: [AusRace] AusRace Rebooted in 2017 In-Reply-To: <5a008f8f89aff7df71a0a5b820010d030b00c011@webmail.internode.on.net> References: <5a008f8f89aff7df71a0a5b820010d030b00c011@webmail.internode.on.net> Message-ID: Not sure what's going on Phil but I haven't seen an Ausrace post since before the new year. Sent with Mailtrack On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 1:19 PM, PhilM wrote: > > > > Testing.... > Send my* Reply* > > > _______________________________________________ > Racing mailing list > Racing at ausrace.com > http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From punter at internode.on.net Wed Jan 11 23:50:22 2017 From: punter at internode.on.net (PhilM) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 23:20:22 +1030 Subject: [AusRace] AusRace Rebooted in 2017 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2b52b3d3149b1b1a5948316af3e7231bcda8fe84@webmail.internode.on.net> ? G'day Nick...The last two I've sent through never showed up so not sure what's going on here. I sent a post hours ago and still yet to see it although Doug replied that he got my test e-mail of an hour or so earlier. Maybe there's a spam box that needs to be checked out?Phil M ----- Original Message ----- From: "norsaintpublishing at gmail.com" To:"PhilM" , "AusRace Racing Discussion List" Cc: Sent:Wed, 11 Jan 2017 17:51:33 +0800 Subject:Re: [AusRace] AusRace Rebooted in 2017 Not sure what's going on Phil but I haven't seen an Ausrace post since before the new year.? ?Sent with Mailtrack [1] On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 1:19 PM, PhilM wrote: ? Testing.... 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URL: From doug at clarity.com.au Thu Jan 12 01:14:11 2017 From: doug at clarity.com.au (Doug Robb) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 14:14:11 +0000 Subject: [AusRace] test In-Reply-To: <2edf3ff3004f5e286845114e23e606ce391fb25e@webmail.internode.on.net> References: <613ccebc-1afd-4bd7-b818-c41699bda21f@getmailbird.com> <2edf3ff3004f5e286845114e23e606ce391fb25e@webmail.internode.on.net> Message-ID: <21cbdad916fb4faab07cadd7ef5e8769@syd1exchpmbx2.cloud.local> Hi Phil, Below came through fine now. The version of mailman on the old server was old and perhaps I had some settings set too tight for filtering not sure but the current setup is the latest and I?ll let the default settings run so it should be better. I did limit file/post size to 250k bytes and that should be fine but can make that bigger as well if that?s too small. When I started the list years ago a lot of people would have been on slow dialups and so size was something to watch. I?ll send another post with a new subject to let you all know if I have more news. Doug BTW the link to the archives from 2017 onwards is http://ausrace.com/pipermail/racing_ausrace.com/ From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of PhilM Sent: Wednesday, 11 January 2017 3:31 PM To: AusRace Racing Discussion List Subject: Re: [AusRace] test Thanks Doug... hope this gets through to everyone, I'd love some feedback......... I posted this article a week ago at least but never saw it come back into my e-mail box as an Ausrace post, so I'll send again with some editing.... It's all hype as far as Centrebet accepting big bets go! William Hill/Centrebet, Crownbet, Classicbet, TopSport, Luxbet, Unibet all have computerised systems running now where they will never be top odds on any racehorse when betting first opens. My feeling is that they are working through Dynamic Odds. All of them wait for at least two bookies to put up their odds, almost always in order of TAB.com.au which then get hit, with Sportsbet most times waiting to see their odds coming in second,. Bet365, who don't care less about either of them and throw up their own opinions, either before or after the other two, except trying to get on for more than pennies is the problem with them. TattsBet once were game to put up their prices at times before these three but that seems to have stopped in recent weeks. I have not followed Ladbrokes for a long time but they would sometimes put up odds first but the very instant another bookie put up their market Ladbrokes would quite often dramatically change their odds in close line with this bookie. I think it's getting to a point where it's like the stock market high frequency trading systems, these bookies are moving so rapidly to adjust their odds and I guarantee you that most times William Hill/ Centrebet, Crownbet, Classicbet, TopSport, Luxbet, Unibet, Ladbrokes are not taking a single bet, regardless of what early fluctuations you see from them through Dynamic Odds. You can never take notice of their odds changes as if they have taken big bets on these horses.... they have absolutely not! For example, Warwick Farm race 1 tlast Saturday TAB.com.au puts up their odds... Single Bullet 2.1 Callmetrouble 8 Colesberg 11 Radiant Choice 4.6 Dunaton 101 Te Amo 3.5 Charlie Chap 26 Bet365 on this occasion had their odds up before TABcorp , a huge difference with some..... Single Bullet 1.4 Callmetrouble 8 Colesberg 16 Radiant Choice 6.0 Dunaton 101 Te Amo 6.0 Charlie Chap 101 Sportsbet came in later with this race.... Single Bullet 1.45 Callmetrouble 11 Colesberg 14 Radiant Choice 6.0 Dunaton 101 Te Amo 5.5 Charlie Chap 67 Crownbet and Centrebet/Hill both came in to the market when it settled a lot closer and their odds were both set around half way between these three above if there is variation, if prices were the same for the three they might give equal odds, but never higher odds. The very moment say Sportsbet shortens their odds... these list of followers immediately do the same without a bet being written, making sure they are under top odds or perfectly in between the high and low odds elsewhere! With Hill and Crown the change is almost instantaneous. They have zero opinion of their own, their computerised system has them smashing the odds without a single bet being struck. For a month or two Hill actually took on at least one horse in a race at both Melbourne and Sydney tracks and would be top odds, but that ended weeks ago now. I believe Sportsbet sometimes plays games with these followers, dropping the odds on something without a bet being taken and watch the rest follow like the sheep they are. I think there is big opportunity here for those that have an accurate assessment of any race to manipulate the odds and catch these weak mongrels out. I hope it's happening a lot already! Recently I did a little test with three bets on the same horse at the same time with Tabcorp, Luxbet, Topsport.. all to win under $100. They all came off the odds, and Hill, Crown and Unibet all dropped odds in unison without a bet being taken. Anyone would think there was a massive plunge in the early markets, not bets to win a total of under $300! So yeah, you might get on with Hill/Centrebet, but I assure you that you'll get better odds elsewhere at that very moment in time. Phil M ----- Original Message ----- From: "AusRace Racing Discussion List" > To: > Cc: Sent: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 15:22:44 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] test message received Phil ________________________________ This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tonymoffat at bigpond.com Thu Jan 12 13:13:56 2017 From: tonymoffat at bigpond.com (Tony Moffat) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 10:13:56 +0800 Subject: [AusRace] test In-Reply-To: <21cbdad916fb4faab07cadd7ef5e8769@syd1exchpmbx2.cloud.local> References: <613ccebc-1afd-4bd7-b818-c41699bda21f@getmailbird.com> <2edf3ff3004f5e286845114e23e606ce391fb25e@webmail.internode.on.net> <21cbdad916fb4faab07cadd7ef5e8769@syd1exchpmbx2.cloud.local> Message-ID: <001001d26c79$879c5d60$96d51820$@bigpond.com> test -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kewlies at bigpond.net.au Thu Jan 12 14:13:26 2017 From: kewlies at bigpond.net.au (Doug Bond) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 13:13:26 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] test Message-ID: <72e24c1b-b45e-4152-9aad-0953103ffff9@getmailbird.com> --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tonymoffat at bigpond.com Fri Jan 13 14:00:21 2017 From: tonymoffat at bigpond.com (Tony Moffat) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 11:00:21 +0800 Subject: [AusRace] Test Message-ID: <000401d26d49$2e169dc0$8a43d940$@bigpond.com> test -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kewlies at bigpond.net.au Sun Jan 15 13:43:21 2017 From: kewlies at bigpond.net.au (Doug Bond) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 12:43:21 +1000 Subject: [AusRace] test Message-ID: --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greg.j.conroy at gmail.com Fri Jan 27 22:09:33 2017 From: greg.j.conroy at gmail.com (Greg Conroy) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 22:09:33 +1100 Subject: [AusRace] Not a test - well, yes a test of sorts ... In-Reply-To: <21cbdad916fb4faab07cadd7ef5e8769@syd1exchpmbx2.cloud.local> References: <613ccebc-1afd-4bd7-b818-c41699bda21f@getmailbird.com> <2edf3ff3004f5e286845114e23e606ce391fb25e@webmail.internode.on.net> <21cbdad916fb4faab07cadd7ef5e8769@syd1exchpmbx2.cloud.local> Message-ID: Been a bit quiet all? I expect most of you to score 90% or 100% in this ? There is a tricky question, Q 10 ? see how you go. Punting quiz I put together ? http://bit.ly/2ksvFbR Cheers. Greg Conroy, Inventor of Award Winning and Free: www.rewardbet.com ? more: http://promo.rewardbet.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greg.j.conroy at gmail.com Fri Jan 27 22:22:35 2017 From: greg.j.conroy at gmail.com (Greg Conroy) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 22:22:35 +1100 Subject: [AusRace] Phil's post on bookies prices In-Reply-To: <21cbdad916fb4faab07cadd7ef5e8769@syd1exchpmbx2.cloud.local> References: <613ccebc-1afd-4bd7-b818-c41699bda21f@getmailbird.com> <2edf3ff3004f5e286845114e23e606ce391fb25e@webmail.internode.on.net> <21cbdad916fb4faab07cadd7ef5e8769@syd1exchpmbx2.cloud.local> Message-ID: <688B8477-F312-4021-A2BD-120C7BFBA779@gmail.com> Hi Phil, Insightful - you?re not too far wrong. I haven?t done the tests you have with multiple sample bets, but I know that Dynamic Odds is well and truly the tool of choice in most trading rooms. What you probably missed is the relation of Betfair prices to the fixed prices. Have you watched that? I won?t give too much away here but that?s a very interesting dynamic and there are some bookies who will ensure they never offer higher than the last matched on BF. So that?s totally automated. And it?s all about reducing the ?arbers? opportunity. Similar happens with SportsBetting - where the margin is tighter so it?s even more important. Coys such as SportsRadar exist to provide those ?intel? feeds. Cheers, Greg > > From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com ] On Behalf Of PhilM > Sent: Wednesday, 11 January 2017 3:31 PM > To: AusRace Racing Discussion List > Subject: Re: [AusRace] test > > > Thanks Doug... hope this gets through to everyone, I'd love some feedback......... > I posted this article a week ago at least but never saw it come back into my e-mail box as an Ausrace post, so I'll send again with some editing.... > It's all hype as far as Centrebet accepting big bets go! William Hill/Centrebet, Crownbet, Classicbet, TopSport, Luxbet, Unibet all have computerised systems running now where they will never be top odds on any racehorse when betting first opens. My feeling is that they are working through Dynamic Odds. All of them wait for at least two bookies to put up their odds, almost always in order of TAB.com.au which then get hit, with Sportsbet most times waiting to see their odds coming in second,. Bet365, who don't care less about either of them and throw up their own opinions, either before or after the other two, except trying to get on for more than pennies is the problem with them. TattsBet once were game to put up their prices at times before these three but that seems to have stopped in recent weeks. I have not followed Ladbrokes for a long time but they would sometimes put up odds first but the very instant another bookie put up their market Ladbrokes would quite often dramatically change their odds in close line with this bookie. > I think it's getting to a point where it's like the stock market high frequency trading systems, these bookies are moving so rapidly to adjust their odds and I guarantee you that most times William Hill/ Centrebet, Crownbet, Classicbet, TopSport, Luxbet, Unibet, Ladbrokes are not taking a single bet, regardless of what early fluctuations you see from them through Dynamic Odds. You can never take notice of their odds changes as if they have taken big bets on these horses.... they have absolutely not! > > For example, Warwick Farm race 1 tlast Saturday TAB.com.au puts up their odds... > > Single Bullet 2.1 > Callmetrouble 8 > Colesberg 11 > Radiant Choice 4.6 > Dunaton 101 > Te Amo 3.5 > Charlie Chap 26 > > Bet365 on this occasion had their odds up before TABcorp , a huge difference with some..... > > Single Bullet 1.4 > Callmetrouble 8 > Colesberg 16 > Radiant Choice 6.0 > Dunaton 101 > Te Amo 6.0 > Charlie Chap 101 > > Sportsbet came in later with this race.... > > Single Bullet 1.45 > Callmetrouble 11 > Colesberg 14 > Radiant Choice 6.0 > Dunaton 101 > Te Amo 5.5 > Charlie Chap 67 > > Crownbet and Centrebet/Hill both came in to the market when it settled a lot closer and their odds were both set around half way between these three above if there is variation, if prices were the same for the three they might give equal odds, but never higher odds. The very moment say Sportsbet shortens their odds... these list of followers immediately do the same without a bet being written, making sure they are under top odds or perfectly in between the high and low odds elsewhere! With Hill and Crown the change is almost instantaneous. They have zero opinion of their own, their computerised system has them smashing the odds without a single bet being struck. For a month or two Hill actually took on at least one horse in a race at both Melbourne and Sydney tracks and would be top odds, but that ended weeks ago now. > I believe Sportsbet sometimes plays games with these followers, dropping the odds on something without a bet being taken and watch the rest follow like the sheep they are. I think there is big opportunity here for those that have an accurate assessment of any race to manipulate the odds and catch these weak mongrels out. I hope it's happening a lot already! Recently I did a little test with three bets on the same horse at the same time with Tabcorp, Luxbet, Topsport.. all to win under $100. They all came off the odds, and Hill, Crown and Unibet all dropped odds in unison without a bet being taken. Anyone would think there was a massive plunge in the early markets, not bets to win a total of under $300! > So yeah, you might get on with Hill/Centrebet, but I assure you that you'll get better odds elsewhere at that very moment in time. > > Phil M > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > "AusRace Racing Discussion List" > > > To: > > > Cc: > > Sent: > Wed, 11 Jan 2017 15:22:44 +1000 > Subject: > [AusRace] test > > > message received Phil > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > _______________________________________________ > Racing mailing list > Racing at ausrace.com > http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com Greg Conroy, Inventor of Award Winning and Free: www.rewardbet.com ? more: http://promo.rewardbet.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at clarity.com.au Fri Jan 27 22:34:46 2017 From: doug at clarity.com.au (Doug Robb) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 11:34:46 +0000 Subject: [AusRace] Not a test - well, yes a test of sorts ... In-Reply-To: References: <613ccebc-1afd-4bd7-b818-c41699bda21f@getmailbird.com> <2edf3ff3004f5e286845114e23e606ce391fb25e@webmail.internode.on.net> <21cbdad916fb4faab07cadd7ef5e8769@syd1exchpmbx2.cloud.local> Message-ID: Hi Greg,, Just did it for an embarrassing score so I hope you don?t track participants. Yes question 10 I didn?t know! Re traffic you things are indeed quiet at the moment. Doug From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of Greg Conroy Sent: Friday, 27 January 2017 7:10 PM To: Ausrace Racing Subject: [AusRace] Not a test - well, yes a test of sorts ... Been a bit quiet all? I expect most of you to score 90% or 100% in this ? There is a tricky question, Q 10 ? see how you go. Punting quiz I put together ? http://bit.ly/2ksvFbR Cheers. 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I expect most of you to score 90% or 100% in this ?? There is a tricky question, Q 10 ? see how you go. Punting quiz I put together ??http://bit.ly/2ksvFbR [1] Cheers.? Greg Conroy, Inventor of Award Winning and Free:www.rewardbet.com [2] ??? more:?http://promo.rewardbet.com/ [3] Links: ------ [1] http://bit.ly/2ksvFbR [2] http://www.rewardbet.com [3] http://promo.rewardbet.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lloveday at ozemail.com.au Fri Jan 27 23:22:35 2017 From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 20:22:35 +0800 Subject: [AusRace] Not a test - well, yes a test of sorts ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Now this is a really simple test, just?3 questions. Kembla race 2 tomorrow, BetZero, Sportsbet, Lux and TAB have a combined win market of 93.34%. (1) What should I do? (2) What do you guess I have done? (3) What are you going to do? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Conroy greg.j.conroy at gmail.com To: Ausrace Racing racing at ausrace.com Cc: Sent: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 22:09:33 +1100 Subject: [AusRace] Not a test - well, yes a test of sorts ... Been a bit quiet all? I expect most of you to score 90% or 100% in this ?? There is a tricky question, Q 10 ? see how you go. Punting quiz I put together ??http://bit.ly/2ksvFbR [1] Cheers.? Greg Conroy, Inventor of Award Winning and Free:www.rewardbet.com [2] ??? more:?http://promo.rewardbet.com/ [3] Links: ------ [1] http://bit.ly/2ksvFbR [2] http://www.rewardbet.com [3] http://promo.rewardbet.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greg.j.conroy at gmail.com Fri Jan 27 23:23:50 2017 From: greg.j.conroy at gmail.com (Greg Conroy) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 23:23:50 +1100 Subject: [AusRace] Not a test - well, yes a test of sorts ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Len, No problem - I did note a hit from your region ? To pre-empt, I?m reviewing them now so like all good ?cases? we can agree on the facts. It is targeting the normal punter so appreciate your feedback, but it?s just fun and about better punter education in the end. 1 - given (wording of Q is important) 2 - definition, correct 3 - no contest 4 - no contest 5 - yes the old chestnut, but the concept here is ?professional? i.e.: how long can you keep your bank going? 6 - anything to add? 7 - about education 8 - generally, none of them are ?most professional? 9 - you?ll have some input I guess ? 10 - fact and you lived thru it! But at least I?ve awaken the new list which works fine to post to racing at ausrace.com everyone. Cheers, > On 27 Jan 2017, at 11:07 pm, L.B.Loveday wrote: > > Greg, > > Disagree with a number of your answers; will provide mathematical proof that you are wrong about Q5 at a more sober time - long hard 2 days in Paradise; in others your answers are opinions, not factually provable right or wrong based on the limited information supplied. > > 10 was a gimme, as you would imagine. > > > LBL > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > "AusRace Racing Discussion List" > > To: > "Ausrace Racing" > Cc: > > Sent: > Fri, 27 Jan 2017 22:09:33 +1100 > Subject: > [AusRace] Not a test - well, yes a test of sorts ... > > > Been a bit quiet all? > > I expect most of you to score 90% or 100% in this ? > > There is a tricky question, Q 10 ? see how you go. > > Punting quiz I put together ? http://bit.ly/2ksvFbR > > Cheers. > > > Greg Conroy, Inventor of Award Winning and Free: > www.rewardbet.com ? more: http://promo.rewardbet.com/ > > > Greg Conroy, Inventor of Award Winning and Free: www.rewardbet.com ? more: http://promo.rewardbet.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nick.aubrey at twonix.com Sat Jan 28 13:31:14 2017 From: nick.aubrey at twonix.com (Nick at Twonix) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2017 13:31:14 +1100 Subject: [AusRace] Not a test - well, yes a test of sorts ... In-Reply-To: References: <613ccebc-1afd-4bd7-b818-c41699bda21f@getmailbird.com> <2edf3ff3004f5e286845114e23e606ce391fb25e@webmail.internode.on.net> <21cbdad916fb4faab07cadd7ef5e8769@syd1exchpmbx2.cloud.local> Message-ID: <000001d2790e$99d43510$cd7c9f30$@twonix.com> Hi Greg, Thanks for the quiz ? but IMHO you didn?t have the right answer to Qn 10. The question asks who was the first operator to offer internet betting. I believe it was WA TAB ? both NSW and QLD offered dedicated hand held devices that connected via the internet to their networks ? but WA TAB was the only operator that just used the Internet. Cheers, AN From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of Greg Conroy Sent: Friday, 27 January 2017 10:10 PM To: Ausrace Racing Subject: [AusRace] Not a test - well, yes a test of sorts ... Been a bit quiet all? I expect most of you to score 90% or 100% in this ? There is a tricky question, Q 10 ? see how you go. Punting quiz I put together ? http://bit.ly/2ksvFbR Cheers. Greg Conroy, Inventor of Award Winning and Free: www.rewardbet.com ? more: http://promo.rewardbet.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greg.j.conroy at gmail.com Sat Jan 28 14:16:09 2017 From: greg.j.conroy at gmail.com (Greg Conroy) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2017 14:16:09 +1100 Subject: [AusRace] Not a test - well, yes a test of sorts ... In-Reply-To: <000001d2790e$99d43510$cd7c9f30$@twonix.com> References: <613ccebc-1afd-4bd7-b818-c41699bda21f@getmailbird.com> <2edf3ff3004f5e286845114e23e606ce391fb25e@webmail.internode.on.net> <21cbdad916fb4faab07cadd7ef5e8769@syd1exchpmbx2.cloud.local> <000001d2790e$99d43510$cd7c9f30$@twonix.com> Message-ID: <5A04E953-6ED4-4F59-83A5-A54A32F4917E@gmail.com> Thanks Nick, But you?re wrong with WATAB (which launched Ozbet). The reason why I know? I was involved in the first site (iBet) at NSW TAB and both WA TAB and NSW TAB had IBM systems contracts. We had to work with IBM and Telstra to help create ?digital certificates? via what they called The IBM World Registry. Without that technology, internet betting was inherently insecure. From our IBM contacts, we were also aware they were helping WA TAB do similar so it was a bit of a competition as to who could launch first. We did so a few months before them. When they launched, there?s a funny story actually. One of their developers had setup a 404 error redirect to go to a porn site. I was looking at their newly launched site and found this very embarrassing error page. Back then (1995/96) the tools to take screen shots and even email that to them were quite primitive. NSW TAB?s email system, for example, couldn?t handle images. I think I contacted our Raceday Control to find their Fax number (all the tabs communicated via Fax back then) and then I printed this page and faxed it to them. They managed to remove it just before the public launch, helped by the 2 hour delay in time zones! So certainly we were the first at NSW TAB with iBet. And as as aside, there?s also a story with Qld TAB. They sent one of their programmers to Sydney to sit with me for 2 weeks and I showed him how we created our site. He basically copied the structure and that?s the basis of the QTAB/Tatts/Ubet site even 20 years later (although now being revamped under Ubet). Those were the days when all the TABs were friendly state rivals - we even played cricket against each other. Greg > On 28 Jan 2017, at 1:31 pm, Nick at Twonix wrote: > > Hi Greg, > Thanks for the quiz ? but IMHO you didn?t have the right answer to Qn 10. The question asks who was the first operator to offer internet betting. I believe it was WA TAB ? both NSW and QLD offered dedicated hand held devices that connected via the internet to their networks ? but WA TAB was the only operator that just used the Internet. > Cheers, > AN > ? <> > From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of Greg Conroy > Sent: Friday, 27 January 2017 10:10 PM > To: Ausrace Racing > Subject: [AusRace] Not a test - well, yes a test of sorts ... > > Been a bit quiet all? > > I expect most of you to score 90% or 100% in this ? > > There is a tricky question, Q 10 ? see how you go. > > Punting quiz I put together ? http://bit.ly/2ksvFbR > > Cheers. > > > Greg Conroy, Inventor of Award Winning and Free: > www.rewardbet.com ? more: http://promo.rewardbet.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Racing mailing list > Racing at ausrace.com > http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com Greg Conroy, Inventor of Award Winning and Free: www.rewardbet.com ? more: http://promo.rewardbet.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nick.aubrey at twonix.com Sat Jan 28 16:05:05 2017 From: nick.aubrey at twonix.com (Nick at Twonix) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2017 16:05:05 +1100 Subject: [AusRace] Betting on Quaddies Message-ID: <001c01d27924$18148ff0$483dafd0$@twonix.com> Hi All, Yes not many posts lately so ... Just to let you know that have updated my website to describe how to I make money from Quaddies. Go to htwtp:// puntforprofit.com.au/quaddies/ Cheers, AN -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From essbee at internode.on.net Sat Jan 28 16:53:59 2017 From: essbee at internode.on.net (Steve) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2017 16:53:59 +1100 Subject: [AusRace] Not a test - well, yes a test of sorts ... In-Reply-To: <5A04E953-6ED4-4F59-83A5-A54A32F4917E@gmail.com> References: <613ccebc-1afd-4bd7-b818-c41699bda21f@getmailbird.com> <2edf3ff3004f5e286845114e23e606ce391fb25e@webmail.internode.on.net> <21cbdad916fb4faab07cadd7ef5e8769@syd1exchpmbx2.cloud.local> <000001d2790e$99d43510$cd7c9f30$@twonix.com> <5A04E953-6ED4-4F59-83A5-A54A32F4917E@gmail.com> Message-ID: I dunno if it counts as internet betting or not, but I was betting into the WA TAB a zillion years ago, with a system that was know as VIATEL. In my case it was via a modem connected to my Commodore 64 and must have been at least 30 years ago, but probably a lot more! My memory is not so good as I get old and grey, but I am pretty sure I would have been betting Vic Tab if similar was available there then. SteveB On 28/01/2017 2:16 PM, Greg Conroy wrote: > Thanks Nick, > > But you?re wrong with WATAB (which launched Ozbet). > > The reason why I know? I was involved in the first site (iBet) at NSW > TAB and both WA TAB and NSW TAB had IBM systems contracts. > > We had to work with IBM and Telstra to help create ?digital > certificates? via what they called The IBM World Registry. > > Without that technology, internet betting was inherently insecure. > > From our IBM contacts, we were also aware they were helping WA TAB do > similar so it was a bit of a competition as to who could launch first. > We did so a few months before them. > > When they launched, there?s a funny story actually. > > One of their developers had setup a 404 error redirect to go to a porn > site. I was looking at their newly launched site and found this very > embarrassing error page. Back then (1995/96) the tools to take screen > shots and even email that to them were quite primitive. > > NSW TAB?s email system, for example, couldn?t handle images. I think I > contacted our Raceday Control to find their Fax number (all the tabs > communicated via Fax back then) and then I printed this page and faxed > it to them. > > They managed to remove it just before the public launch, helped by the > 2 hour delay in time zones! > > So certainly we were the first at NSW TAB with iBet. > > And as as aside, there?s also a story with Qld TAB. They sent one of > their programmers to Sydney to sit with me for 2 weeks and I showed > him how we created our site. He basically copied the structure and > that?s the basis of the QTAB/Tatts/Ubet site even 20 years later > (although now being revamped under Ubet). > > Those were the days when all the TABs were friendly state rivals - we > even played cricket against each other. > > Greg > > >> On 28 Jan 2017, at 1:31 pm, Nick at Twonix > > wrote: >> >> Hi Greg, >> Thanks for the quiz ? but IMHO you didn?t have the right answer to Qn >> 10. The question asks who was the first operator to offer internet >> betting. I believe it was WA TAB ? both NSW and QLD offered >> dedicated hand held devices that connected via the internet to their >> networks ? but WA TAB was the only operator that just used the Internet. >> Cheers, >> AN >> *From:*Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com]*On Behalf Of*Greg >> Conroy >> *Sent:*Friday, 27 January 2017 10:10 PM >> *To:*Ausrace Racing > >> *Subject:*[AusRace] Not a test - well, yes a test of sorts ... >> Been a bit quiet all? >> I expect most of you to score 90% or 100% in this ? >> There is a tricky question, Q 10 ? see how you go. >> Punting quiz I put together ? http://bit.ly/2ksvFbR >> Cheers. >> Greg Conroy, Inventor of Award Winning and Free: >> www.rewardbet.com ? more: >> http://promo.rewardbet.com/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Racing mailing list >> Racing at ausrace.com >> http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com > > Greg Conroy, Inventor of Award Winning and Free: > www.rewardbet.com ? more: > http://promo.rewardbet.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Racing mailing list > Racing at ausrace.com > http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at clarity.com.au Sat Jan 28 17:09:28 2017 From: doug at clarity.com.au (Doug Robb) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2017 06:09:28 +0000 Subject: [AusRace] Not a test - well, yes a test of sorts ... In-Reply-To: References: <613ccebc-1afd-4bd7-b818-c41699bda21f@getmailbird.com> <2edf3ff3004f5e286845114e23e606ce391fb25e@webmail.internode.on.net> <21cbdad916fb4faab07cadd7ef5e8769@syd1exchpmbx2.cloud.local> <000001d2790e$99d43510$cd7c9f30$@twonix.com> <5A04E953-6ED4-4F59-83A5-A54A32F4917E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <79944a2d318f427abb32be981a4480c2@syd1exchpmbx2.cloud.local> Crikey we are all getting old - I was going to chip in earlier but can't remember exactly but I think you are right, I was using that and then the teletext service (later called austext when Channel 7 took it over, - a service through a free to air TV channel) so there were a few different options before the Internet swept all before. The problem was that the value betting was with the bookmakers so nothing could beat being on course and working the ring to get the best fixed odds. Doug From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2017 1:54 PM To: AusRace Racing Discussion List Subject: Re: [AusRace] Not a test - well, yes a test of sorts ... I dunno if it counts as internet betting or not, but I was betting into the WA TAB a zillion years ago, with a system that was know as VIATEL. In my case it was via a modem connected to my Commodore 64 and must have been at least 30 years ago, but probably a lot more! My memory is not so good as I get old and grey, but I am pretty sure I would have been betting Vic Tab if similar was available there then. SteveB On 28/01/2017 2:16 PM, Greg Conroy wrote: Thanks Nick, But you're wrong with WATAB (which launched Ozbet). The reason why I know? I was involved in the first site (iBet) at NSW TAB and both WA TAB and NSW TAB had IBM systems contracts. We had to work with IBM and Telstra to help create 'digital certificates' via what they called The IBM World Registry. Without that technology, internet betting was inherently insecure. >From our IBM contacts, we were also aware they were helping WA TAB do similar so it was a bit of a competition as to who could launch first. We did so a few months before them. When they launched, there's a funny story actually. One of their developers had setup a 404 error redirect to go to a porn site. I was looking at their newly launched site and found this very embarrassing error page. Back then (1995/96) the tools to take screen shots and even email that to them were quite primitive. NSW TAB's email system, for example, couldn't handle images. I think I contacted our Raceday Control to find their Fax number (all the tabs communicated via Fax back then) and then I printed this page and faxed it to them. They managed to remove it just before the public launch, helped by the 2 hour delay in time zones! So certainly we were the first at NSW TAB with iBet. And as as aside, there's also a story with Qld TAB. They sent one of their programmers to Sydney to sit with me for 2 weeks and I showed him how we created our site. He basically copied the structure and that's the basis of the QTAB/Tatts/Ubet site even 20 years later (although now being revamped under Ubet). Those were the days when all the TABs were friendly state rivals - we even played cricket against each other. Greg On 28 Jan 2017, at 1:31 pm, Nick at Twonix > wrote: Hi Greg, Thanks for the quiz ... but IMHO you didn't have the right answer to Qn 10. The question asks who was the first operator to offer internet betting. I believe it was WA TAB ... both NSW and QLD offered dedicated hand held devices that connected via the internet to their networks ... but WA TAB was the only operator that just used the Internet. Cheers, AN From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of Greg Conroy Sent: Friday, 27 January 2017 10:10 PM To: Ausrace Racing > Subject: [AusRace] Not a test - well, yes a test of sorts ... Been a bit quiet all? I expect most of you to score 90% or 100% in this ... There is a tricky question, Q 10 ... see how you go. Punting quiz I put together ... http://bit.ly/2ksvFbR Cheers. 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URL: From tonymoffat at bigpond.com Mon Jan 30 23:24:31 2017 From: tonymoffat at bigpond.com (Tony Moffat) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 20:24:31 +0800 Subject: [AusRace] Barrett's System - Using Stop Lock for Profit - a system as used by the Beeac Flyer Message-ID: <000001d27af3$cfa4a080$6eede180$@bigpond.com> -----Original Message----- From: Tony Moffat [mailto:tonymoffat at bigpond.com] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 7:51 PM To: 'ausrace at listserver.com.au' Subject: Barrett's System - Using Stop Lock for Profit - a system as used by the Beeac Flyer Mr Barrett sold his system in Melbourne newspapers in the 60's and 70s. It cost $4 and there was $2 P&H. It was centred on picking a runner in each race using different criteria for each selection, and thus each race. The Beeac Flyer(BF) was an avid race goer in the 70s, when I was working on course. I never knew his name but his nickname came from his occupation, he delivered the first edition next morning papers overnight from Melbourne to the western districts of Victoria with the run terminating in Beeac. He said he carted items back to Melbourne from Beeac so he got paid each way. His long term and full time employee was Healesville Harry (or Henry) and these two and HH grand daughters were often in the ring or tote queue on course. BF drove the paper truck then slept in the back while HH drove sedately to Melbourne. The truck was then used to bring hire furniture to some of the courses, and they got entry for free as a result. After the last they collected their furniture, loaded and left. BF and HH slept in the truck during racing if they had no other interest in betting in later races. They often did though. Then home for a sleep for a few hours then off down the highway again, at speed I was told. BF often had a bet in the first race and it was his success there that made him a watched man. Often he had his $50 on the favourite in the first. He chose this runner if it was the most popular pick by the selectors in 'The Age' - if the selectors had picked this to run a place most often. It had to be priced at 5/2 or more at the time of selection. It appears, and he said, that he was unfazed about the price at race time, if it was a selection he backed it. He used the Tote also but did not have the assistance of a dividend display back then. He knew his return on his ticket from us though. BF used Barrett as the basis of his selections and backed them. He was a character and inveterate tea drinker on course, as was I, and he borrowed my Zippo lighter one afternoon and never returned it. Its silver and has my initials engraved on it. In race 1 only - choose the horse with the most mentions in the selection panel, if it is priced at 5/2 Or greater it is a bet. Otherwise disregard this race. Stop betting at a win. Interestingly he folded up his form guide and filed this inside his race book, neatly always, and secured it with a wooden clothes peg. If he won the first race he often had bets in subsequent races, always the quad which was on split races then, like the 4th and 5th then race 7 and race 8 and there were only 9 spots to cover, runner numbers past 9 were co-joined with other runners, you thought you were getting coverage for nothing in those situations. In race 2 only - choose the runner with a pre post price of 3/1 or greater. So the First horse you encounter priced at 3/1 or more is the selection. The system does not provide a method of choosing your runner if it is bracketed at that price with other(s) . Stop betting at a win. So you only bet here if Race 1 failed to cough up a system runner and if your selection here wins, stop, put the cue in the rack. It says to do that in a reworked version of the system . Remainders Rules: - there are several-read on. In races other than 1 and 2 Choose the 2nd poll favourite, only if it has more win tips that the 1st poll favourite. This rule applies to the remainder of the racing remember. So your choice would be the 2nd poll horse if it has more win tips from the selectors but due to otherwise disinterest it does not have a greater poll score or points. Equal 2nds may both qualify, they may both have more win tips than the Fav. Remainder Rules A - Clear 2nd poll favourite with more win tips than the clear poll favourite. Barrett's System requires you to continue with selecting and looking for that elusive winner. Remainder Rules B - in any race except 1 and 2 and in any race (other) than where there is a selection from a previous rule, continue as follows. In eligible races, the poll favourite is a selection if it is 1/1 or better. Supplementary Rule - in any race except 1 or 2 and in any race (other) than where there is a selection from the Previous rules, continue as follows. In eligible races where there are equal poll favourites, runners have the same point score from their tipster support, then choose the runner with pre post odds of 3/1 or better, your choice will be the 3/1 horse, Or the next poll favourite at say 7/2. You will select the first nominated horse at 3/1 or better(written as it is in the system papers) Last race - if this race has not been a contender to provide a bet previously, using the system rules to this point, then the selection is the favourite in the last. Some runners he chose and some reasons Aug 5 1972 Caulfield Race 1 Steeple - Yawander won. It was 5/2 pre post (although 7/4 in The Australian) and had 42 points A win for the system - stop betting. It was 10/9 Tote and started at 11/8 - he got 7/4 with us and doubled his stake bet as a result. He mentioned that the next system bet, in Race 2 was Morgiana (3/1 pre post) it won however he went for Analie at $7 place under the auspices of another, separate, system. Barrett did not require a bet here. In the remainder of the races, the system selected Faux Pas in the Hurdle (win 2/1) in race 3 and Grey Abbey won 4/1 in race 4 and there were no other choices except last race , the favourite Special Boy, 2nd 9/2. Aug 12 1972 Sandown Race 1 -No selection. Selection excluded because of price requirement. Winner 100/1 Race 2 - Gala Supreme won, it was a system selection, 11/2, paid $9.30 tote. A win for the system - stop betting No other selections capable except Dear Girl won 3/1 in race 5 Favourite last race - fail Aug 19 1972 Moonee Valley Race 1 Steeple - Chango 11/8 won. It was 5/2 pre post, longer in The Australian and had 37 points A win for the system - stop betting. In Race 2 Analie won and was a system selection however Barrett did not require a bet here. There were other qualifiers during the day The last race favourite failed. Aug 26 Sandown R1 Steeple - Whitby won at 9/2 it was 7/2 pre post and had 36 points A win for the system - stop betting In R2 Analie won (again) it was 13/4 and a system selection but not required. There were other qualifiers during the day The last race favourite lost. On Sep 2 1972 the first race system selection Analie won at 11/8 A win for the system - stop betting On Sept 9 1972 the first race system selection failed InR2 the qualifier won paying $2.90 - a win for the system - stop betting So you got system selections at 11/8, 11/2,11/8,9/2, 11/8, -1,15/8 Or in layman's terms 2.37+6.50+2.37+5.50+2.37+-1+2.87= 20.98. Turf Monthly are sadly missed. They have an extensive system back catalogue TM have The Merit Method with all the rules and results in MAXIMUM 4. This method Is starkly similar to Barrett's although it has additional rules and exclusion clauses. The system Authors are thorough in providing you with decisions about selections that clash or co-incide. While I won't go into all the rules, I won't spoil it for them, I can say they require the system selection to be a fit within their parameters, unlike Barratt's which appeared to grab the first qualifier and stop looking after you do. TM have rules that eliminate clashes or promote selections because of their attributes. >From their rules:- "Start from the 3rd poll favourite, which could include equal second poll favourites or Equal third poll favourites. Choose the first one mentioned from the 3rd up to and including the poll favourite which is mentioned Right across the poll. This means it must receive a vote for first selection, second selection and a third selection vote by tipsters. It could receive more than one mention for any placing. The horse must be 5/2 or longer in prepost If it is less, move up to second poll favourite and if right across the selection sphere and 5/2 or better it is a selection. Still no selection, examine the attributes of the poll favourite. If mentioned right across the selection sphere and 5/2 or better it is a selection Assuming we have no eligible right across selection up to this stage, we simply choose the second poll runner provided it is 5/2 or longer If still no selection then choose the poll favourite and if it is 5/2 or better it is the selection. After all this there might not be a selection listed to start at 5/2 so the final selection is the third poll favourite. In any of the above trials where there are equal candidates qualifying, such as equal points and both right across, preference goes to the The shortest price at 5/2 or better in prepost pricing. Still equal, preference to higher weight, then highest last start form figure, then most recent starter, and finally to break the tie, the lowest barrier. Thorough or what. The highest last start form figure is quoted as best last start form figure in other rule tests, which I won't mention here TM ask you to use the rules to finalise 4 runners for the meeting for the day, then stop at a winner, locking in profit. Mechanical betting systems seek to use race results as if they are causes. Systems operate generally on the premise that yesterday's results will cause todays results in terms of yesterday's conditions. There are limits to how systems can work. Some cleverly researched and designed systems do succeed, but most fail. Systems must fail because they are pale and inferior examples of rating methods, which generally fail also. However, there are amusing and instructive anecdotes in the racing literature on the claims and methods of systems. The patois utilised is that of positivity of purpose with your method. If it succeeds it is expected. If it does not succeed there is a reason in the rules. Cheers Tony --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com From greg.j.conroy at gmail.com Tue Jan 31 10:41:25 2017 From: greg.j.conroy at gmail.com (Greg Conroy) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 10:41:25 +1100 Subject: [AusRace] Barrett's System - Using Stop Lock for Profit - a system as used by the Beeac Flyer In-Reply-To: <000001d27af3$cfa4a080$6eede180$@bigpond.com> References: <000001d27af3$cfa4a080$6eede180$@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <905471BA-9E00-4E40-AD24-E0A5445CF8F1@gmail.com> Love these style of posts from you Tony, Keep them up. Cheers, Greg > On 30 Jan 2017, at 11:24 pm, Tony Moffat wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Moffat [mailto:tonymoffat at bigpond.com] > Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 7:51 PM > To: 'ausrace at listserver.com.au' > Subject: Barrett's System - Using Stop Lock for Profit - a system as > used by the Beeac Flyer > > Mr Barrett sold his system in Melbourne newspapers in the 60's and > 70s. It cost $4 and there was $2 P&H. > It was centred on picking a runner in each race using different > criteria for each selection, and thus each race. > > The Beeac Flyer(BF) was an avid race goer in the 70s, when I was > working on course. I never knew his name but his nickname came from > his occupation, he delivered the first edition next morning papers > overnight from Melbourne to the western districts of Victoria with > the run terminating in Beeac. He said he carted items back to > Melbourne from Beeac so he got paid each way. His long term and full > time employee was Healesville Harry (or Henry) and these two and HH > grand daughters were often in the ring or tote queue on course. > BF drove the paper truck then slept in the back while HH drove > sedately to Melbourne. The truck was then used to bring hire furniture > to some of the courses, and they got entry for free as a result. > After the last they collected their furniture, loaded and left. BF and > HH slept in the truck during racing if they had no other interest in > betting in later races. They often did though. > Then home for a sleep for a few hours then off down the highway again, > at speed I was told. > > BF often had a bet in the first race and it was his success there that > made him a watched man. > Often he had his $50 on the favourite in the first. He chose this > runner if it was the most popular pick by the selectors in 'The Age' - > if the selectors had picked this to run a place most often. It had to > be priced at 5/2 or more at the time of selection. It appears, and he > said, that he was unfazed about the price at race time, if it was a > selection he backed it. He used the Tote also but did not have the > assistance of a dividend display back then. He knew his return on his > ticket from us though. > > BF used Barrett as the basis of his selections and backed them. He was > a character and inveterate tea drinker on course, as was I, and he > borrowed my Zippo lighter one afternoon and never returned it. > Its silver and has my initials engraved on it. > > In race 1 only - choose the horse with the most mentions in the > selection panel, if it is priced at 5/2 Or greater it is a bet. > Otherwise disregard this race. Stop betting at a win. > > Interestingly he folded up his form guide and filed this inside his > race book, neatly always, and secured it with a wooden clothes peg. If > he won the first race he often had bets in subsequent races, always > the quad which was on split races then, like the 4th and 5th then race > 7 and race 8 and there were only 9 spots to cover, runner numbers past > 9 were co-joined with other runners, you thought you were getting > coverage for nothing in those situations. > > > In race 2 only - choose the runner with a pre post price of 3/1 or > greater. So the First horse you encounter priced at 3/1 or more is the > selection. The system does not provide a method of choosing your > runner if it is bracketed at that price with other(s) . > Stop betting at a win. So you only bet here if Race 1 failed to cough > up a system runner and if your selection here wins, stop, put the cue > in the rack. It says to do that in a reworked version of the system . > > Remainders Rules: - there are several-read on. In races other than 1 > and 2 Choose the 2nd poll favourite, only if it has more win tips that > the 1st poll favourite. > This rule applies to the remainder of the racing remember. So your > choice would be the 2nd poll horse if it has more win tips from the > selectors but due to otherwise disinterest it does not have a greater > poll score or points. Equal 2nds may both qualify, they may both have > more win tips than the Fav. > > Remainder Rules A - Clear 2nd poll favourite with more win tips than > the clear poll favourite. > > Barrett's System requires you to continue with selecting and looking > for that elusive winner. > > Remainder Rules B - in any race except 1 and 2 and in any race (other) > than where there is a selection > from a previous rule, continue as follows. In eligible races, the poll > favourite is a selection if it is 1/1 or better. > > Supplementary Rule - in any race except 1 or 2 and in any race (other) > than where there is a selection from the Previous rules, continue as > follows. In eligible races where there are equal poll favourites, > runners have the same point score from their tipster support, then > choose the runner with pre post odds of 3/1 or better, your choice > will be the 3/1 horse, Or the next poll favourite at say 7/2. You will > select the first nominated horse at 3/1 or better(written as it is in > the system papers) > > Last race - if this race has not been a contender to provide a bet > previously, using the system rules to this point, then the selection > is the favourite in the last. > > Some runners he chose and some reasons > Aug 5 1972 Caulfield Race 1 Steeple - Yawander won. It was 5/2 pre > post (although 7/4 in The Australian) and had 42 points A win for the > system - stop betting. It was 10/9 Tote and started at 11/8 - he got > 7/4 with us and doubled his stake bet as a result. > He mentioned that the next system bet, in Race 2 was Morgiana (3/1 pre > post) it won however he went for Analie at $7 place under the auspices > of another, separate, system. Barrett did not require a bet here. > In the remainder of the races, the system selected Faux Pas in the > Hurdle (win 2/1) in race 3 and Grey Abbey won 4/1 in race 4 and there > were no other choices except last race , the favourite Special Boy, > 2nd 9/2. > > Aug 12 1972 Sandown Race 1 -No selection. Selection excluded because > of price requirement. Winner 100/1 Race 2 - Gala Supreme won, it was a > system selection, 11/2, paid $9.30 tote. A win for the system - stop > betting No other selections capable except Dear Girl won 3/1 in race 5 > Favourite last race - fail > > Aug 19 1972 Moonee Valley Race 1 Steeple - Chango 11/8 won. It was 5/2 > pre post, longer in The Australian and had 37 points A win for the > system - stop betting. > In Race 2 Analie won and was a system selection however Barrett did > not require a bet here. > There were other qualifiers during the day The last race favourite > failed. > > Aug 26 Sandown R1 Steeple - Whitby won at 9/2 it was 7/2 pre post and > had 36 points A win for the system - stop betting In R2 Analie won > (again) it was 13/4 and a system selection but not required. > There were other qualifiers during the day The last race favourite > lost. > > On Sep 2 1972 the first race system selection Analie won at 11/8 A win > for the system - stop betting > > On Sept 9 1972 the first race system selection failed > InR2 the qualifier won paying $2.90 - a win for the system - stop > betting > > So you got system selections at 11/8, 11/2,11/8,9/2, 11/8, -1,15/8 Or > in layman's terms 2.37+6.50+2.37+5.50+2.37+-1+2.87= 20.98. > > Turf Monthly are sadly missed. They have an extensive system back > catalogue TM have The Merit Method with all the rules and results in > MAXIMUM 4. This method Is starkly similar to Barrett's although it has > additional rules and exclusion clauses. The system Authors are > thorough in providing you with decisions about selections that clash > or co-incide. > While I won't go into all the rules, I won't spoil it for them, I can > say they require the system selection to be a fit within their > parameters, unlike Barratt's which appeared to grab the first > qualifier and stop looking after you do. TM have rules that eliminate > clashes or promote selections because of their attributes. > From their rules:- "Start from the 3rd poll favourite, which could > include equal second poll favourites or Equal third poll favourites. > Choose the first one mentioned from the 3rd up to and including the > poll favourite which is mentioned Right across the poll. This means it > must receive a vote for first selection, second selection and a third > selection vote by tipsters. > It could receive more than one mention for any placing. The horse must > be 5/2 or longer in prepost If it is less, move up to second poll > favourite and if right across the selection sphere and 5/2 or better > it is a selection. > Still no selection, examine the attributes of the poll favourite. If > mentioned right across the selection sphere and 5/2 or better it is a > selection Assuming we have no eligible right across selection up to > this stage, we simply choose the second poll runner provided it is 5/2 > or longer If still no selection then choose the poll favourite and if > it is 5/2 or better it is the selection. > After all this there might not be a selection listed to start at 5/2 > so the final selection is the third poll favourite. > In any of the above trials where there are equal candidates > qualifying, such as equal points and both right across, preference > goes to the The shortest price at 5/2 or better in prepost pricing. > Still equal, preference to higher weight, then highest last start form > figure, then most recent starter, and finally to break the tie, the > lowest barrier. > Thorough or what. The highest last start form figure is quoted as best > last start form figure in other rule tests, which I won't mention here > TM ask you to use the rules to finalise 4 runners for the meeting for > the day, then stop at a winner, locking in profit. > > Mechanical betting systems seek to use race results as if they are > causes. > Systems operate generally on the premise that yesterday's results will > cause todays results in terms of yesterday's conditions. > > There are limits to how systems can work. Some cleverly researched and > designed systems do succeed, but most fail. > > Systems must fail because they are pale and inferior examples of > rating methods, which generally fail also. > > However, there are amusing and instructive anecdotes in the racing > literature on the claims and methods of systems. > The patois utilised is that of positivity of purpose with your > method. > If it succeeds it is expected. > If it does not succeed there is a reason in the rules. > > Cheers > > Tony > > > > > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > http://www.avg.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Racing mailing list > Racing at ausrace.com > http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com Greg Conroy, Inventor of Award Winning and Free: www.rewardbet.com ? more: http://promo.rewardbet.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From norsaintpublishing at gmail.com Tue Jan 31 11:12:36 2017 From: norsaintpublishing at gmail.com (norsaintpublishing at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 11:12:36 +1100 Subject: [AusRace] Barrett's System - Using Stop Lock for Profit - a system as used by the Beeac Flyer In-Reply-To: <000001d27af3$cfa4a080$6eede180$@bigpond.com> References: <000001d27af3$cfa4a080$6eede180$@bigpond.com> Message-ID: I'll keep an eye out for that lighter Tony. Sent with Mailtrack On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 11:24 PM, Tony Moffat wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Moffat [mailto:tonymoffat at bigpond.com] > Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 7:51 PM > To: 'ausrace at listserver.com.au' > Subject: Barrett's System - Using Stop Lock for Profit - a system as > used by the Beeac Flyer > > Mr Barrett sold his system in Melbourne newspapers in the 60's and > 70s. It cost $4 and there was $2 P&H. > It was centred on picking a runner in each race using different > criteria for each selection, and thus each race. > > The Beeac Flyer(BF) was an avid race goer in the 70s, when I was > working on course. I never knew his name but his nickname came from > his occupation, he delivered the first edition next morning papers > overnight from Melbourne to the western districts of Victoria with > the run terminating in Beeac. He said he carted items back to > Melbourne from Beeac so he got paid each way. His long term and full > time employee was Healesville Harry (or Henry) and these two and HH > grand daughters were often in the ring or tote queue on course. > BF drove the paper truck then slept in the back while HH drove > sedately to Melbourne. The truck was then used to bring hire furniture > to some of the courses, and they got entry for free as a result. > After the last they collected their furniture, loaded and left. BF and > HH slept in the truck during racing if they had no other interest in > betting in later races. They often did though. > Then home for a sleep for a few hours then off down the highway again, > at speed I was told. > > BF often had a bet in the first race and it was his success there that > made him a watched man. > Often he had his $50 on the favourite in the first. He chose this > runner if it was the most popular pick by the selectors in 'The Age' - > if the selectors had picked this to run a place most often. It had to > be priced at 5/2 or more at the time of selection. It appears, and he > said, that he was unfazed about the price at race time, if it was a > selection he backed it. He used the Tote also but did not have the > assistance of a dividend display back then. He knew his return on his > ticket from us though. > > BF used Barrett as the basis of his selections and backed them. He was > a character and inveterate tea drinker on course, as was I, and he > borrowed my Zippo lighter one afternoon and never returned it. > Its silver and has my initials engraved on it. > > In race 1 only - choose the horse with the most mentions in the > selection panel, if it is priced at 5/2 Or greater it is a bet. > Otherwise disregard this race. Stop betting at a win. > > Interestingly he folded up his form guide and filed this inside his > race book, neatly always, and secured it with a wooden clothes peg. If > he won the first race he often had bets in subsequent races, always > the quad which was on split races then, like the 4th and 5th then race > 7 and race 8 and there were only 9 spots to cover, runner numbers past > 9 were co-joined with other runners, you thought you were getting > coverage for nothing in those situations. > > > In race 2 only - choose the runner with a pre post price of 3/1 or > greater. So the First horse you encounter priced at 3/1 or more is the > selection. The system does not provide a method of choosing your > runner if it is bracketed at that price with other(s) . > Stop betting at a win. So you only bet here if Race 1 failed to cough > up a system runner and if your selection here wins, stop, put the cue > in the rack. It says to do that in a reworked version of the system . > > Remainders Rules: - there are several-read on. In races other than 1 > and 2 Choose the 2nd poll favourite, only if it has more win tips that > the 1st poll favourite. > This rule applies to the remainder of the racing remember. So your > choice would be the 2nd poll horse if it has more win tips from the > selectors but due to otherwise disinterest it does not have a greater > poll score or points. Equal 2nds may both qualify, they may both have > more win tips than the Fav. > > Remainder Rules A - Clear 2nd poll favourite with more win tips than > the clear poll favourite. > > Barrett's System requires you to continue with selecting and looking > for that elusive winner. > > Remainder Rules B - in any race except 1 and 2 and in any race (other) > than where there is a selection > from a previous rule, continue as follows. In eligible races, the poll > favourite is a selection if it is 1/1 or better. > > Supplementary Rule - in any race except 1 or 2 and in any race (other) > than where there is a selection from the Previous rules, continue as > follows. In eligible races where there are equal poll favourites, > runners have the same point score from their tipster support, then > choose the runner with pre post odds of 3/1 or better, your choice > will be the 3/1 horse, Or the next poll favourite at say 7/2. You will > select the first nominated horse at 3/1 or better(written as it is in > the system papers) > > Last race - if this race has not been a contender to provide a bet > previously, using the system rules to this point, then the selection > is the favourite in the last. > > Some runners he chose and some reasons > Aug 5 1972 Caulfield Race 1 Steeple - Yawander won. It was 5/2 pre > post (although 7/4 in The Australian) and had 42 points A win for the > system - stop betting. It was 10/9 Tote and started at 11/8 - he got > 7/4 with us and doubled his stake bet as a result. > He mentioned that the next system bet, in Race 2 was Morgiana (3/1 pre > post) it won however he went for Analie at $7 place under the auspices > of another, separate, system. Barrett did not require a bet here. > In the remainder of the races, the system selected Faux Pas in the > Hurdle (win 2/1) in race 3 and Grey Abbey won 4/1 in race 4 and there > were no other choices except last race , the favourite Special Boy, > 2nd 9/2. > > Aug 12 1972 Sandown Race 1 -No selection. Selection excluded because > of price requirement. Winner 100/1 Race 2 - Gala Supreme won, it was a > system selection, 11/2, paid $9.30 tote. A win for the system - stop > betting No other selections capable except Dear Girl won 3/1 in race 5 > Favourite last race - fail > > Aug 19 1972 Moonee Valley Race 1 Steeple - Chango 11/8 won. It was 5/2 > pre post, longer in The Australian and had 37 points A win for the > system - stop betting. > In Race 2 Analie won and was a system selection however Barrett did > not require a bet here. > There were other qualifiers during the day The last race favourite > failed. > > Aug 26 Sandown R1 Steeple - Whitby won at 9/2 it was 7/2 pre post and > had 36 points A win for the system - stop betting In R2 Analie won > (again) it was 13/4 and a system selection but not required. > There were other qualifiers during the day The last race favourite > lost. > > On Sep 2 1972 the first race system selection Analie won at 11/8 A win > for the system - stop betting > > On Sept 9 1972 the first race system selection failed > InR2 the qualifier won paying $2.90 - a win for the system - stop > betting > > So you got system selections at 11/8, 11/2,11/8,9/2, 11/8, -1,15/8 Or > in layman's terms 2.37+6.50+2.37+5.50+2.37+-1+2.87= 20.98. > > Turf Monthly are sadly missed. They have an extensive system back > catalogue TM have The Merit Method with all the rules and results in > MAXIMUM 4. This method Is starkly similar to Barrett's although it has > additional rules and exclusion clauses. The system Authors are > thorough in providing you with decisions about selections that clash > or co-incide. > While I won't go into all the rules, I won't spoil it for them, I can > say they require the system selection to be a fit within their > parameters, unlike Barratt's which appeared to grab the first > qualifier and stop looking after you do. TM have rules that eliminate > clashes or promote selections because of their attributes. > From their rules:- "Start from the 3rd poll favourite, which could > include equal second poll favourites or Equal third poll favourites. > Choose the first one mentioned from the 3rd up to and including the > poll favourite which is mentioned Right across the poll. This means it > must receive a vote for first selection, second selection and a third > selection vote by tipsters. > It could receive more than one mention for any placing. The horse must > be 5/2 or longer in prepost If it is less, move up to second poll > favourite and if right across the selection sphere and 5/2 or better > it is a selection. > Still no selection, examine the attributes of the poll favourite. If > mentioned right across the selection sphere and 5/2 or better it is a > selection Assuming we have no eligible right across selection up to > this stage, we simply choose the second poll runner provided it is 5/2 > or longer If still no selection then choose the poll favourite and if > it is 5/2 or better it is the selection. > After all this there might not be a selection listed to start at 5/2 > so the final selection is the third poll favourite. > In any of the above trials where there are equal candidates > qualifying, such as equal points and both right across, preference > goes to the The shortest price at 5/2 or better in prepost pricing. > Still equal, preference to higher weight, then highest last start form > figure, then most recent starter, and finally to break the tie, the > lowest barrier. > Thorough or what. The highest last start form figure is quoted as best > last start form figure in other rule tests, which I won't mention here > TM ask you to use the rules to finalise 4 runners for the meeting for > the day, then stop at a winner, locking in profit. > > Mechanical betting systems seek to use race results as if they are > causes. > Systems operate generally on the premise that yesterday's results will > cause todays results in terms of yesterday's conditions. > > There are limits to how systems can work. Some cleverly researched and > designed systems do succeed, but most fail. > > Systems must fail because they are pale and inferior examples of > rating methods, which generally fail also. > > However, there are amusing and instructive anecdotes in the racing > literature on the claims and methods of systems. > The patois utilised is that of positivity of purpose with your > method. > If it succeeds it is expected. > If it does not succeed there is a reason in the rules. > > Cheers > > Tony > > > > > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > http://www.avg.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Racing mailing list > Racing at ausrace.com > http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: