From lloveday at ozemail.com.au Sun Dec 10 08:05:51 2017 From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 08:05:51 +1100 Subject: [AusRace] Luxbet Message-ID: <002d01d37131$7ec6f2a0$7c54d7e0$@com.au> I recently gave a "thumbs up" to Luxbet. I retract it. On 6/12/2017, they offered $2.00 the place about Ipswich 6/3, which I took. The horse came 2nd, which by any rational measure is a place. Luxbet classified it as a losing bet and kept the money. I pointed out the wrongness of that, and my stake was refunded, thus I back a winner and do not win with Luxbet. What was the problem one may wonder. Lux says "From my understanding a fibre optic cable under St. Kilda road was damaged and as such resulted in some software issues". No I'm not making that up, my imagination is not that vivid. They follow up with "In this instance, your bet will be void. Luxbet does not pay a place for a field of less than five". No, they just take bets on fields of less than 5 and keep the stake unless the mug punter complains. How many others did not pick up that they were not paid? PS, QLD tote paid 2.90 - so not only was I cheated, I'd taken massive "unders".. LBL -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From RaceStats at hotmail.com Sun Dec 10 14:58:46 2017 From: RaceStats at hotmail.com (Race Stats) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 03:58:46 +0000 Subject: [AusRace] Luxbet In-Reply-To: <002d01d37131$7ec6f2a0$7c54d7e0$@com.au> References: <002d01d37131$7ec6f2a0$7c54d7e0$@com.au> Message-ID: Wow, Len that's just fraud in my opinion. A fibre optic cable does not interfere with being paid, that could have been rectified. Never ever heard of not being paid for a second placing in a field of 5. Actually of all the bookies, I had won a 5 figure sum off them and they never limited my account, so I have (had) them on my list as one of the best bookies around. Classic Bet being the worst in my experience. They won't take you on to lose more than $100 if you're even a little bit up with them. Thanks for the alert, I will be watching them closely from now on. Lindsay From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Sunday, 10 December 2017 8:06 AM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: [AusRace] Luxbet I recently gave a "thumbs up" to Luxbet. I retract it. On 6/12/2017, they offered $2.00 the place about Ipswich 6/3, which I took. The horse came 2nd, which by any rational measure is a place. Luxbet classified it as a losing bet and kept the money. I pointed out the wrongness of that, and my stake was refunded, thus I back a winner and do not win with Luxbet. What was the problem one may wonder. Lux says "From my understanding a fibre optic cable under St. Kilda road was damaged and as such resulted in some software issues". No I'm not making that up, my imagination is not that vivid. They follow up with "In this instance, your bet will be void. Luxbet does not pay a place for a field of less than five". No, they just take bets on fields of less than 5 and keep the stake unless the mug punter complains. How many others did not pick up that they were not paid? PS, QLD tote paid 2.90 - so not only was I cheated, I'd taken massive "unders".. LBL -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lloveday at ozemail.com.au Sun Dec 10 18:03:41 2017 From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 18:03:41 +1100 Subject: [AusRace] Luxbet In-Reply-To: References: <002d01d37131$7ec6f2a0$7c54d7e0$@com.au> Message-ID: <009301d37185$02ff2120$08fd6360$@com.au> Lindsay, Only 4 ran, here's part of my letter to Lux: ---------------------------------------- >From the Stewards' report for Ipswich: Race 6: Get Social @ Ipswichturfclub RQ Summer Prov. Series Heat BM 75 H'cap - 1350m HELLAROO - Declared a late scratching at 7.50 am on veterinary advice. So, it was a 5-horse field before the late scratching, and you continued to bet as did others, eg TAB, which had final fixed place price 2.20. Tatts Tote paid 2.90, so not only did I get massive "unders", I did not get paid. ---------------------------------- To prove the point, that they DO bet on fields of less than 4, I put $1 the place on Nowra 1 which also had 4 runners after a late scratching. Wonder if they'll void that! LBL From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of Race Stats Sent: Sunday, 10 December 2017 2:59 PM To: AusRace Racing Discussion List Subject: Re: [AusRace] Luxbet Wow, Len that's just fraud in my opinion. A fibre optic cable does not interfere with being paid, that could have been rectified. Never ever heard of not being paid for a second placing in a field of 5. Actually of all the bookies, I had won a 5 figure sum off them and they never limited my account, so I have (had) them on my list as one of the best bookies around. Classic Bet being the worst in my experience. They won't take you on to lose more than $100 if you're even a little bit up with them. Thanks for the alert, I will be watching them closely from now on. Lindsay From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Sunday, 10 December 2017 8:06 AM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: [AusRace] Luxbet I recently gave a "thumbs up" to Luxbet. I retract it. On 6/12/2017, they offered $2.00 the place about Ipswich 6/3, which I took. The horse came 2nd, which by any rational measure is a place. Luxbet classified it as a losing bet and kept the money. I pointed out the wrongness of that, and my stake was refunded, thus I back a winner and do not win with Luxbet. What was the problem one may wonder. Lux says "From my understanding a fibre optic cable under St. Kilda road was damaged and as such resulted in some software issues". No I'm not making that up, my imagination is not that vivid. They follow up with "In this instance, your bet will be void. Luxbet does not pay a place for a field of less than five". No, they just take bets on fields of less than 5 and keep the stake unless the mug punter complains. How many others did not pick up that they were not paid? PS, QLD tote paid 2.90 - so not only was I cheated, I'd taken massive "unders".. LBL -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lloveday at ozemail.com.au Sun Dec 10 18:41:35 2017 From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 18:41:35 +1100 Subject: [AusRace] Luxbet In-Reply-To: References: <002d01d37131$7ec6f2a0$7c54d7e0$@com.au> Message-ID: <009901d3718a$4eb55ad0$ec201070$@com.au> They voided my bet upon complaint; do you think they voided bets on the 3rd and 4th placegetters, whose backers would not have complained? From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of Race Stats Sent: Sunday, 10 December 2017 2:59 PM To: AusRace Racing Discussion List Subject: Re: [AusRace] Luxbet Wow, Len that's just fraud in my opinion. A fibre optic cable does not interfere with being paid, that could have been rectified. Never ever heard of not being paid for a second placing in a field of 5. Actually of all the bookies, I had won a 5 figure sum off them and they never limited my account, so I have (had) them on my list as one of the best bookies around. Classic Bet being the worst in my experience. They won't take you on to lose more than $100 if you're even a little bit up with them. Thanks for the alert, I will be watching them closely from now on. Lindsay From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Sunday, 10 December 2017 8:06 AM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: [AusRace] Luxbet I recently gave a "thumbs up" to Luxbet. I retract it. On 6/12/2017, they offered $2.00 the place about Ipswich 6/3, which I took. The horse came 2nd, which by any rational measure is a place. Luxbet classified it as a losing bet and kept the money. I pointed out the wrongness of that, and my stake was refunded, thus I back a winner and do not win with Luxbet. What was the problem one may wonder. Lux says "From my understanding a fibre optic cable under St. Kilda road was damaged and as such resulted in some software issues". No I'm not making that up, my imagination is not that vivid. They follow up with "In this instance, your bet will be void. Luxbet does not pay a place for a field of less than five". No, they just take bets on fields of less than 5 and keep the stake unless the mug punter complains. How many others did not pick up that they were not paid? PS, QLD tote paid 2.90 - so not only was I cheated, I'd taken massive "unders".. LBL -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lloveday at ozemail.com.au Mon Dec 11 09:53:28 2017 From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 09:53:28 +1100 Subject: [AusRace] Luxbet In-Reply-To: References: <002d01d37131$7ec6f2a0$7c54d7e0$@com.au> Message-ID: <00c101d37209$b29d4600$17d7d200$@com.au> One more point - all my bets are vetted and individually approved, rejected or partially accepted manually by them, whether for $1 or $1000, even when within the MBL limits. Summary: Lux continued to bet place on a 4-horse field after a late scratching (it was already taken out of the market I bet into, so no deductions apply), with a market>200%, at a price less than TAB, which also continued to bet place. They declared my bet a loss despite the horse running second. Upon my complaint, instead of paying me, they voided the bet. My bet was vetted and accepted by Luxbet by staff who had, or should have had, the same information as I, or almost certainly more. LBL From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of Race Stats Sent: Sunday, 10 December 2017 2:59 PM To: AusRace Racing Discussion List Subject: Re: [AusRace] Luxbet Wow, Len that's just fraud in my opinion. A fibre optic cable does not interfere with being paid, that could have been rectified. Never ever heard of not being paid for a second placing in a field of 5. Actually of all the bookies, I had won a 5 figure sum off them and they never limited my account, so I have (had) them on my list as one of the best bookies around. Classic Bet being the worst in my experience. They won't take you on to lose more than $100 if you're even a little bit up with them. Thanks for the alert, I will be watching them closely from now on. Lindsay From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Sunday, 10 December 2017 8:06 AM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: [AusRace] Luxbet I recently gave a "thumbs up" to Luxbet. I retract it. On 6/12/2017, they offered $2.00 the place about Ipswich 6/3, which I took. The horse came 2nd, which by any rational measure is a place. Luxbet classified it as a losing bet and kept the money. I pointed out the wrongness of that, and my stake was refunded, thus I back a winner and do not win with Luxbet. What was the problem one may wonder. Lux says "From my understanding a fibre optic cable under St. Kilda road was damaged and as such resulted in some software issues". No I'm not making that up, my imagination is not that vivid. They follow up with "In this instance, your bet will be void. Luxbet does not pay a place for a field of less than five". No, they just take bets on fields of less than 5 and keep the stake unless the mug punter complains. How many others did not pick up that they were not paid? PS, QLD tote paid 2.90 - so not only was I cheated, I'd taken massive "unders".. LBL -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lloveday at ozemail.com.au Tue Dec 12 16:26:17 2017 From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 16:26:17 +1100 Subject: [AusRace] Luxbet In-Reply-To: <00c101d37209$b29d4600$17d7d200$@com.au> References: <002d01d37131$7ec6f2a0$7c54d7e0$@com.au> <00c101d37209$b29d4600$17d7d200$@com.au> Message-ID: <001701d37309$c083cf40$418b6dc0$@com.au> Update - Luxbet paid up, so the trading team was overruled. Thankfully, because I'd have had to appeal to the NTRC, which makes the CSA look like a beacon of unbiased adjudication. Today's snowflakes story: I put $34 on at 31.00 (MBL max) on Warr 3/2 with SB, who turned it to 18.00 (that would be their autobot I presume). The lemmings followed across the board - behemoths like WH and Crown and NTRC's go-to comparison in appeals, TopSport, inter alia, turned it down virtually immediately, to 19.00 - 26.00 range (.All except BZero, who, as is usually the case, stuck to their assessment of 31.00. not turning it down until 60 minutes later, oh and newcomer SportsBetting, which has taken over ClassicBet's mantel of fauxodds at 18.40). . It is most unlikely other punters bet at the same time as I did, so it seems that no-one except BZero and SB have opinions. $34 causes such a flurry! Snowflakes is too generous. LBL From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Monday, 11 December 2017 9:53 AM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: Re: [AusRace] Luxbet One more point - all my bets are vetted and individually approved, rejected or partially accepted manually by them, whether for $1 or $1000, even when within the MBL limits. Summary: Lux continued to bet place on a 4-horse field after a late scratching (it was already taken out of the market I bet into, so no deductions apply), with a market>200%, at a price less than TAB, which also continued to bet place. They declared my bet a loss despite the horse running second. Upon my complaint, instead of paying me, they voided the bet. My bet was vetted and accepted by Luxbet by staff who had, or should have had, the same information as I, or almost certainly more. LBL From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of Race Stats Sent: Sunday, 10 December 2017 2:59 PM To: AusRace Racing Discussion List Subject: Re: [AusRace] Luxbet Wow, Len that's just fraud in my opinion. A fibre optic cable does not interfere with being paid, that could have been rectified. Never ever heard of not being paid for a second placing in a field of 5. Actually of all the bookies, I had won a 5 figure sum off them and they never limited my account, so I have (had) them on my list as one of the best bookies around. Classic Bet being the worst in my experience. They won't take you on to lose more than $100 if you're even a little bit up with them. Thanks for the alert, I will be watching them closely from now on. Lindsay From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Sunday, 10 December 2017 8:06 AM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: [AusRace] Luxbet I recently gave a "thumbs up" to Luxbet. I retract it. On 6/12/2017, they offered $2.00 the place about Ipswich 6/3, which I took. The horse came 2nd, which by any rational measure is a place. Luxbet classified it as a losing bet and kept the money. I pointed out the wrongness of that, and my stake was refunded, thus I back a winner and do not win with Luxbet. What was the problem one may wonder. Lux says "From my understanding a fibre optic cable under St. Kilda road was damaged and as such resulted in some software issues". No I'm not making that up, my imagination is not that vivid. They follow up with "In this instance, your bet will be void. Luxbet does not pay a place for a field of less than five". No, they just take bets on fields of less than 5 and keep the stake unless the mug punter complains. How many others did not pick up that they were not paid? PS, QLD tote paid 2.90 - so not only was I cheated, I'd taken massive "unders".. LBL -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From RaceStats at hotmail.com Tue Dec 12 23:00:01 2017 From: RaceStats at hotmail.com (Race Stats) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 12:00:01 +0000 Subject: [AusRace] Luxbet In-Reply-To: <001701d37309$c083cf40$418b6dc0$@com.au> References: <002d01d37131$7ec6f2a0$7c54d7e0$@com.au> <00c101d37209$b29d4600$17d7d200$@com.au> <001701d37309$c083cf40$418b6dc0$@com.au> Message-ID: Len, it paid $17.00 fixed odds on Unibet and $17.70 on the tote. Hilarious, I had a boosted odds bet rejected on Dalby R3/4, it was a big firmer in their market. It ran nowhere, but I had my bet reduced by half. But I still collected a reasonable profit by laying it on Betfair. So they cost themselves around $500 by reducing the wager. This has happened many times, you'd think they'd want the cash or do they only want $5 or $10 punters? Lindsay From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Tuesday, 12 December 2017 4:26 PM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: Re: [AusRace] Luxbet Update - Luxbet paid up, so the trading team was overruled. Thankfully, because I'd have had to appeal to the NTRC, which makes the CSA look like a beacon of unbiased adjudication. Today's snowflakes story: I put $34 on at 31.00 (MBL max) on Warr 3/2 with SB, who turned it to 18.00 (that would be their autobot I presume). The lemmings followed across the board - behemoths like WH and Crown and NTRC's go-to comparison in appeals, TopSport, inter alia, turned it down virtually immediately, to 19.00 - 26.00 range (.All except BZero, who, as is usually the case, stuck to their assessment of 31.00. not turning it down until 60 minutes later, oh and newcomer SportsBetting, which has taken over ClassicBet's mantel of fauxodds at 18.40). . It is most unlikely other punters bet at the same time as I did, so it seems that no-one except BZero and SB have opinions. $34 causes such a flurry! Snowflakes is too generous. LBL From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Monday, 11 December 2017 9:53 AM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: Re: [AusRace] Luxbet One more point - all my bets are vetted and individually approved, rejected or partially accepted manually by them, whether for $1 or $1000, even when within the MBL limits. Summary: Lux continued to bet place on a 4-horse field after a late scratching (it was already taken out of the market I bet into, so no deductions apply), with a market>200%, at a price less than TAB, which also continued to bet place. They declared my bet a loss despite the horse running second. Upon my complaint, instead of paying me, they voided the bet. My bet was vetted and accepted by Luxbet by staff who had, or should have had, the same information as I, or almost certainly more. LBL From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of Race Stats Sent: Sunday, 10 December 2017 2:59 PM To: AusRace Racing Discussion List Subject: Re: [AusRace] Luxbet Wow, Len that's just fraud in my opinion. A fibre optic cable does not interfere with being paid, that could have been rectified. Never ever heard of not being paid for a second placing in a field of 5. Actually of all the bookies, I had won a 5 figure sum off them and they never limited my account, so I have (had) them on my list as one of the best bookies around. Classic Bet being the worst in my experience. They won't take you on to lose more than $100 if you're even a little bit up with them. Thanks for the alert, I will be watching them closely from now on. Lindsay From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Sunday, 10 December 2017 8:06 AM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: [AusRace] Luxbet I recently gave a "thumbs up" to Luxbet. I retract it. On 6/12/2017, they offered $2.00 the place about Ipswich 6/3, which I took. The horse came 2nd, which by any rational measure is a place. Luxbet classified it as a losing bet and kept the money. I pointed out the wrongness of that, and my stake was refunded, thus I back a winner and do not win with Luxbet. What was the problem one may wonder. Lux says "From my understanding a fibre optic cable under St. Kilda road was damaged and as such resulted in some software issues". No I'm not making that up, my imagination is not that vivid. They follow up with "In this instance, your bet will be void. Luxbet does not pay a place for a field of less than five". No, they just take bets on fields of less than 5 and keep the stake unless the mug punter complains. How many others did not pick up that they were not paid? PS, QLD tote paid 2.90 - so not only was I cheated, I'd taken massive "unders".. LBL -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lloveday at ozemail.com.au Wed Dec 13 07:27:12 2017 From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 07:27:12 +1100 Subject: [AusRace] Luxbet In-Reply-To: References: <002d01d37131$7ec6f2a0$7c54d7e0$@com.au> <00c101d37209$b29d4600$17d7d200$@com.au> <001701d37309$c083cf40$418b6dc0$@com.au> Message-ID: <003301d37387$980f8710$c82e9530$@com.au> Lindsay, you are "lucky" to get boosted odds and other promotions - I am not even allowed to "cash out" with Unibet (can with Bzero) despite bets clearly being shown as "Cash Out available" when I bet - a complaint only resulted in them pointing to their T&C, nowhere within do they say they can deceive you. The ACCC, and of course the hopelessly compromised NTRC will do nothing. The Ubet ban on Cash Out followed my cashing out two bets: $150 win cashed out for $306 and $150 place cashed out for $299. The horse won, and had the bets stood I'd have collected $5100 and $1425, meaning my poor judgement saved UBet $5920, so they respond by banning me; their logic beats me. Here's BZero cancelling a $1.24 bet: We are contacting you regarding bet ID GG3333240710I placed at the odds of 814.00 on All Vegas (Fixed Win Race 2 Stawell). We have identified that this selection was placed at incorrect odds and as such, in accordance with our rules, will be settled at the revised odds of 81.00. If you would like to cancel this bet prior to the start of the event then please contact us. My response: Cancel my $1.24 bet. How pathetic - you had it at $1.35 Cash-out, so a theoretical $0.11 "mistake". Wow, what a Mickey Mouse organisation you must be - taking the time and effort to adjust a $1.24 bet, compose a letter and email me, read my reply, and now cancel. All for a theoretical (at your Cash-out odds) 11 cents ($0.11). Or if you think your $0.11 was wrong, You could have put $12.50 on with another, proper, bookmaker (if one still exists) to cover a possible $1,000 loss ($12.50 @ 81.00 = $1,000 loss/win). $12.50 - $1.24! That would be your maximum risk! What hourly rate do you pay the staff handling this? Here's BZero's paying my Cash Out amounts to my account: cid:image001.png at 01D2E51D.6B2BCA90 They took the money back from my account, and substituted $30 for the $25k etc. I accept this was a mistake and they are entitled to reclaim the payout, but pointed out to them that they enticed me to Cash Out with their quotes, and that I would NEVER Cash Out for $30 etc, calculated what it would have paid had I not cashed, and asked that they pay that amount. They refused and offered a $20 bonus which I did not bother claiming. Pathetic, incompetent, unconscionable, With my rapidly diminishing brainpower, on my worst day, drunk or hangover, I would be still be better than these jerks. From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of Race Stats Sent: Tuesday, 12 December 2017 11:00 PM To: AusRace Racing Discussion List Subject: Re: [AusRace] Luxbet Len, it paid $17.00 fixed odds on Unibet and $17.70 on the tote. Hilarious, I had a boosted odds bet rejected on Dalby R3/4, it was a big firmer in their market. It ran nowhere, but I had my bet reduced by half. But I still collected a reasonable profit by laying it on Betfair. So they cost themselves around $500 by reducing the wager. This has happened many times, you'd think they'd want the cash or do they only want $5 or $10 punters? Lindsay From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Tuesday, 12 December 2017 4:26 PM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: Re: [AusRace] Luxbet Update - Luxbet paid up, so the trading team was overruled. Thankfully, because I'd have had to appeal to the NTRC, which makes the CSA look like a beacon of unbiased adjudication. Today's snowflakes story: I put $34 on at 31.00 (MBL max) on Warr 3/2 with SB, who turned it to 18.00 (that would be their autobot I presume). The lemmings followed across the board - behemoths like WH and Crown and NTRC's go-to comparison in appeals, TopSport, inter alia, turned it down virtually immediately, to 19.00 - 26.00 range (.All except BZero, who, as is usually the case, stuck to their assessment of 31.00. not turning it down until 60 minutes later, oh and newcomer SportsBetting, which has taken over ClassicBet's mantel of fauxodds at 18.40). . It is most unlikely other punters bet at the same time as I did, so it seems that no-one except BZero and SB have opinions. $34 causes such a flurry! Snowflakes is too generous. LBL From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Monday, 11 December 2017 9:53 AM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: Re: [AusRace] Luxbet One more point - all my bets are vetted and individually approved, rejected or partially accepted manually by them, whether for $1 or $1000, even when within the MBL limits. Summary: Lux continued to bet place on a 4-horse field after a late scratching (it was already taken out of the market I bet into, so no deductions apply), with a market>200%, at a price less than TAB, which also continued to bet place. They declared my bet a loss despite the horse running second. Upon my complaint, instead of paying me, they voided the bet. My bet was vetted and accepted by Luxbet by staff who had, or should have had, the same information as I, or almost certainly more. LBL From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of Race Stats Sent: Sunday, 10 December 2017 2:59 PM To: AusRace Racing Discussion List Subject: Re: [AusRace] Luxbet Wow, Len that's just fraud in my opinion. A fibre optic cable does not interfere with being paid, that could have been rectified. Never ever heard of not being paid for a second placing in a field of 5. Actually of all the bookies, I had won a 5 figure sum off them and they never limited my account, so I have (had) them on my list as one of the best bookies around. Classic Bet being the worst in my experience. They won't take you on to lose more than $100 if you're even a little bit up with them. Thanks for the alert, I will be watching them closely from now on. Lindsay From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Sunday, 10 December 2017 8:06 AM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: [AusRace] Luxbet I recently gave a "thumbs up" to Luxbet. I retract it. On 6/12/2017, they offered $2.00 the place about Ipswich 6/3, which I took. The horse came 2nd, which by any rational measure is a place. Luxbet classified it as a losing bet and kept the money. I pointed out the wrongness of that, and my stake was refunded, thus I back a winner and do not win with Luxbet. What was the problem one may wonder. Lux says "From my understanding a fibre optic cable under St. Kilda road was damaged and as such resulted in some software issues". No I'm not making that up, my imagination is not that vivid. They follow up with "In this instance, your bet will be void. Luxbet does not pay a place for a field of less than five". No, they just take bets on fields of less than 5 and keep the stake unless the mug punter complains. How many others did not pick up that they were not paid? PS, QLD tote paid 2.90 - so not only was I cheated, I'd taken massive "unders".. LBL -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Wednesday, 13 December 2017 7:27 AM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: Re: [AusRace] Luxbet Lindsay, you are "lucky" to get boosted odds and other promotions - I am not even allowed to "cash out" with Unibet (can with Bzero) despite bets clearly being shown as "Cash Out available" when I bet - a complaint only resulted in them pointing to their T&C, nowhere within do they say they can deceive you. The ACCC, and of course the hopelessly compromised NTRC will do nothing. The Ubet ban on Cash Out followed my cashing out two bets: $150 win cashed out for $306 and $150 place cashed out for $299. The horse won, and had the bets stood I'd have collected $5100 and $1425, meaning my poor judgement saved UBet $5920, so they respond by banning me; their logic beats me. Here's BZero cancelling a $1.24 bet: We are contacting you regarding bet ID GG3333240710I placed at the odds of 814.00 on All Vegas (Fixed Win Race 2 Stawell). We have identified that this selection was placed at incorrect odds and as such, in accordance with our rules, will be settled at the revised odds of 81.00. If you would like to cancel this bet prior to the start of the event then please contact us. My response: Cancel my $1.24 bet. How pathetic - you had it at $1.35 Cash-out, so a theoretical $0.11 "mistake". Wow, what a Mickey Mouse organisation you must be - taking the time and effort to adjust a $1.24 bet, compose a letter and email me, read my reply, and now cancel. All for a theoretical (at your Cash-out odds) 11 cents ($0.11). Or if you think your $0.11 was wrong, You could have put $12.50 on with another, proper, bookmaker (if one still exists) to cover a possible $1,000 loss ($12.50 @ 81.00 = $1,000 loss/win). $12.50 - $1.24! That would be your maximum risk! What hourly rate do you pay the staff handling this? Here's BZero's paying my Cash Out amounts to my account: cid:image001.png at 01D2E51D.6B2BCA90 They took the money back from my account, and substituted $30 for the $25k etc. I accept this was a mistake and they are entitled to reclaim the payout, but pointed out to them that they enticed me to Cash Out with their quotes, and that I would NEVER Cash Out for $30 etc, calculated what it would have paid had I not cashed, and asked that they pay that amount. They refused and offered a $20 bonus which I did not bother claiming. Pathetic, incompetent, unconscionable, With my rapidly diminishing brainpower, on my worst day, drunk or hangover, I would be still be better than these jerks. From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of Race Stats Sent: Tuesday, 12 December 2017 11:00 PM To: AusRace Racing Discussion List Subject: Re: [AusRace] Luxbet Len, it paid $17.00 fixed odds on Unibet and $17.70 on the tote. Hilarious, I had a boosted odds bet rejected on Dalby R3/4, it was a big firmer in their market. It ran nowhere, but I had my bet reduced by half. But I still collected a reasonable profit by laying it on Betfair. So they cost themselves around $500 by reducing the wager. This has happened many times, you'd think they'd want the cash or do they only want $5 or $10 punters? Lindsay From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Tuesday, 12 December 2017 4:26 PM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: Re: [AusRace] Luxbet Update - Luxbet paid up, so the trading team was overruled. Thankfully, because I'd have had to appeal to the NTRC, which makes the CSA look like a beacon of unbiased adjudication. Today's snowflakes story: I put $34 on at 31.00 (MBL max) on Warr 3/2 with SB, who turned it to 18.00 (that would be their autobot I presume). The lemmings followed across the board - behemoths like WH and Crown and NTRC's go-to comparison in appeals, TopSport, inter alia, turned it down virtually immediately, to 19.00 - 26.00 range (.All except BZero, who, as is usually the case, stuck to their assessment of 31.00. not turning it down until 60 minutes later, oh and newcomer SportsBetting, which has taken over ClassicBet's mantel of fauxodds at 18.40). . It is most unlikely other punters bet at the same time as I did, so it seems that no-one except BZero and SB have opinions. $34 causes such a flurry! Snowflakes is too generous. LBL From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Monday, 11 December 2017 9:53 AM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: Re: [AusRace] Luxbet One more point - all my bets are vetted and individually approved, rejected or partially accepted manually by them, whether for $1 or $1000, even when within the MBL limits. Summary: Lux continued to bet place on a 4-horse field after a late scratching (it was already taken out of the market I bet into, so no deductions apply), with a market>200%, at a price less than TAB, which also continued to bet place. They declared my bet a loss despite the horse running second. Upon my complaint, instead of paying me, they voided the bet. My bet was vetted and accepted by Luxbet by staff who had, or should have had, the same information as I, or almost certainly more. LBL From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of Race Stats Sent: Sunday, 10 December 2017 2:59 PM To: AusRace Racing Discussion List Subject: Re: [AusRace] Luxbet Wow, Len that's just fraud in my opinion. A fibre optic cable does not interfere with being paid, that could have been rectified. Never ever heard of not being paid for a second placing in a field of 5. Actually of all the bookies, I had won a 5 figure sum off them and they never limited my account, so I have (had) them on my list as one of the best bookies around. Classic Bet being the worst in my experience. They won't take you on to lose more than $100 if you're even a little bit up with them. Thanks for the alert, I will be watching them closely from now on. Lindsay From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Sunday, 10 December 2017 8:06 AM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: [AusRace] Luxbet I recently gave a "thumbs up" to Luxbet. I retract it. On 6/12/2017, they offered $2.00 the place about Ipswich 6/3, which I took. The horse came 2nd, which by any rational measure is a place. Luxbet classified it as a losing bet and kept the money. I pointed out the wrongness of that, and my stake was refunded, thus I back a winner and do not win with Luxbet. What was the problem one may wonder. Lux says "From my understanding a fibre optic cable under St. Kilda road was damaged and as such resulted in some software issues". No I'm not making that up, my imagination is not that vivid. They follow up with "In this instance, your bet will be void. Luxbet does not pay a place for a field of less than five". No, they just take bets on fields of less than 5 and keep the stake unless the mug punter complains. How many others did not pick up that they were not paid? PS, QLD tote paid 2.90 - so not only was I cheated, I'd taken massive "unders".. LBL -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 53877 bytes Desc: not available URL: From RaceStats at hotmail.com Wed Dec 13 11:26:34 2017 From: RaceStats at hotmail.com (Race Stats) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 00:26:34 +0000 Subject: [AusRace] Luxbet In-Reply-To: <003f01d37389$c9574590$5c05d0b0$@com.au> References: <002d01d37131$7ec6f2a0$7c54d7e0$@com.au> <00c101d37209$b29d4600$17d7d200$@com.au> <001701d37309$c083cf40$418b6dc0$@com.au> <003301d37387$980f8710$c82e9530$@com.au> <003f01d37389$c9574590$5c05d0b0$@com.au> Message-ID: Crazy stuff Len. The boosted odds was with WH. You've really got to watch these guys, they put up false favourites hoping to lure the punter in. They had a favourite at $3.00 opening quote which ended up being double figure odds and was never the favourite at any stage nor likely to be. Others put up MM for Market Mover, and it isn't the MM at all. I haven't worked out Bill Hill's takeout, but they've got some horrible odds. Last night I backed Diway in France and got $2.05, it was $2.60 with other bookies. I noticed today they have removed the tote odds.... 1 Diway | $0.00w $0.00p 2 Verti Chop | $0.00p 3 Surewecan | $0.00p *Mid Tote Dividend I also backed Glamorous Scandal @$5.00 fixed, it paid $6.00 elsewhere. Total Stake $400.00 Bet Type Fixed Win Price $5.00 Status Win Event Turffontein race 2 Sport Horse Racing Crazy stuff. One could say it's my fault, but I never have multiple browsers or tabs open when betting, as their tracking software logs this. I don't want them to know what I'm doing with other bookies etc. Lindsay From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Wednesday, 13 December 2017 7:43 AM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: Re: [AusRace] Luxbet My brain playing up - that's UBet, not Unibet. From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Wednesday, 13 December 2017 7:27 AM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: Re: [AusRace] Luxbet Lindsay, you are "lucky" to get boosted odds and other promotions - I am not even allowed to "cash out" with Unibet (can with Bzero) despite bets clearly being shown as "Cash Out available" when I bet - a complaint only resulted in them pointing to their T&C, nowhere within do they say they can deceive you. The ACCC, and of course the hopelessly compromised NTRC will do nothing. The Ubet ban on Cash Out followed my cashing out two bets: $150 win cashed out for $306 and $150 place cashed out for $299. The horse won, and had the bets stood I'd have collected $5100 and $1425, meaning my poor judgement saved UBet $5920, so they respond by banning me; their logic beats me. Here's BZero cancelling a $1.24 bet: We are contacting you regarding bet ID GG3333240710I placed at the odds of 814.00 on All Vegas (Fixed Win Race 2 Stawell). We have identified that this selection was placed at incorrect odds and as such, in accordance with our rules, will be settled at the revised odds of 81.00. If you would like to cancel this bet prior to the start of the event then please contact us. My response: Cancel my $1.24 bet. How pathetic - you had it at $1.35 Cash-out, so a theoretical $0.11 "mistake". Wow, what a Mickey Mouse organisation you must be - taking the time and effort to adjust a $1.24 bet, compose a letter and email me, read my reply, and now cancel. All for a theoretical (at your Cash-out odds) 11 cents ($0.11). Or if you think your $0.11 was wrong, You could have put $12.50 on with another, proper, bookmaker (if one still exists) to cover a possible $1,000 loss ($12.50 @ 81.00 = $1,000 loss/win). $12.50 - $1.24! That would be your maximum risk! What hourly rate do you pay the staff handling this? Here's BZero's paying my Cash Out amounts to my account: [cid:image001.png at 01D2E51D.6B2BCA90] They took the money back from my account, and substituted $30 for the $25k etc. I accept this was a mistake and they are entitled to reclaim the payout, but pointed out to them that they enticed me to Cash Out with their quotes, and that I would NEVER Cash Out for $30 etc, calculated what it would have paid had I not cashed, and asked that they pay that amount. They refused and offered a $20 bonus which I did not bother claiming. Pathetic, incompetent, unconscionable, With my rapidly diminishing brainpower, on my worst day, drunk or hangover, I would be still be better than these jerks. From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of Race Stats Sent: Tuesday, 12 December 2017 11:00 PM To: AusRace Racing Discussion List Subject: Re: [AusRace] Luxbet Len, it paid $17.00 fixed odds on Unibet and $17.70 on the tote. Hilarious, I had a boosted odds bet rejected on Dalby R3/4, it was a big firmer in their market. It ran nowhere, but I had my bet reduced by half. But I still collected a reasonable profit by laying it on Betfair. So they cost themselves around $500 by reducing the wager. This has happened many times, you'd think they'd want the cash or do they only want $5 or $10 punters? Lindsay From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Tuesday, 12 December 2017 4:26 PM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: Re: [AusRace] Luxbet Update - Luxbet paid up, so the trading team was overruled. Thankfully, because I'd have had to appeal to the NTRC, which makes the CSA look like a beacon of unbiased adjudication. Today's snowflakes story: I put $34 on at 31.00 (MBL max) on Warr 3/2 with SB, who turned it to 18.00 (that would be their autobot I presume). The lemmings followed across the board - behemoths like WH and Crown and NTRC's go-to comparison in appeals, TopSport, inter alia, turned it down virtually immediately, to 19.00 - 26.00 range (.All except BZero, who, as is usually the case, stuck to their assessment of 31.00. not turning it down until 60 minutes later, oh and newcomer SportsBetting, which has taken over ClassicBet's mantel of fauxodds at 18.40). . It is most unlikely other punters bet at the same time as I did, so it seems that no-one except BZero and SB have opinions. $34 causes such a flurry! Snowflakes is too generous. LBL From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Monday, 11 December 2017 9:53 AM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: Re: [AusRace] Luxbet One more point - all my bets are vetted and individually approved, rejected or partially accepted manually by them, whether for $1 or $1000, even when within the MBL limits. Summary: Lux continued to bet place on a 4-horse field after a late scratching (it was already taken out of the market I bet into, so no deductions apply), with a market>200%, at a price less than TAB, which also continued to bet place. They declared my bet a loss despite the horse running second. Upon my complaint, instead of paying me, they voided the bet. My bet was vetted and accepted by Luxbet by staff who had, or should have had, the same information as I, or almost certainly more. LBL From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of Race Stats Sent: Sunday, 10 December 2017 2:59 PM To: AusRace Racing Discussion List Subject: Re: [AusRace] Luxbet Wow, Len that's just fraud in my opinion. A fibre optic cable does not interfere with being paid, that could have been rectified. Never ever heard of not being paid for a second placing in a field of 5. Actually of all the bookies, I had won a 5 figure sum off them and they never limited my account, so I have (had) them on my list as one of the best bookies around. Classic Bet being the worst in my experience. They won't take you on to lose more than $100 if you're even a little bit up with them. Thanks for the alert, I will be watching them closely from now on. Lindsay From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Sunday, 10 December 2017 8:06 AM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: [AusRace] Luxbet I recently gave a "thumbs up" to Luxbet. I retract it. On 6/12/2017, they offered $2.00 the place about Ipswich 6/3, which I took. The horse came 2nd, which by any rational measure is a place. Luxbet classified it as a losing bet and kept the money. I pointed out the wrongness of that, and my stake was refunded, thus I back a winner and do not win with Luxbet. What was the problem one may wonder. Lux says "From my understanding a fibre optic cable under St. Kilda road was damaged and as such resulted in some software issues". No I'm not making that up, my imagination is not that vivid. They follow up with "In this instance, your bet will be void. Luxbet does not pay a place for a field of less than five". No, they just take bets on fields of less than 5 and keep the stake unless the mug punter complains. How many others did not pick up that they were not paid? PS, QLD tote paid 2.90 - so not only was I cheated, I'd taken massive "unders".. LBL -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 53877 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From RaceStats at hotmail.com Wed Dec 13 11:43:33 2017 From: RaceStats at hotmail.com (Race Stats) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 00:43:33 +0000 Subject: [AusRace] Hayden Haitana Message-ID: Hayden Haitana, the trainer linked to the Fine Cotton scandal, has died in South Australia. The ex-pat New Zealander was at the epicentre of Australia's most infamous betting plunge, where the under-performing Fine Cotton was substituted by the better-credentialled Bold Personality for a race at Brisbane's Eagle Farm in 1984. Bold Personality had been painted and daubed with hair dye in a bid to resemble Fine Cotton, who had been backed heavily to win. Stewards uncovered the ruse soon after the ring-in returned to scale after being first past the post. Haitana, who had lived in South Australia for several decades, was aged 72 when he died last week on the Eyre Peninsula. One might say ironically, Haitana's memorial service will be held at the Gawler & Barossa Racing Club on Saturday. Lindsay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lloveday at ozemail.com.au Fri Dec 15 15:32:57 2017 From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 15:32:57 +1100 Subject: [AusRace] Luxbet Message-ID: <000c01d3755d$c890af90$59b20eb0$@com.au> No more posts on Luxbet! Start of the cleanout? In case you have an account and have not been notified, they are closed for business from 22/12, so withdraw your money while you can. Due to a fibre optic cable misbehaving? [AusRace] Luxbet Race Stats RaceStats at hotmail.com Wed Dec 13 11:26:34 AEDT 2017 * Previous message (by thread): [AusRace] Luxbet * Next message (by thread): [AusRace] Hayden Haitana * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] _____ Crazy stuff Len. The boosted odds was with WH. You've really got to watch these guys, they put up false favourites hoping to lure the punter in. They had a favourite at $3.00 opening quote which ended up being double figure odds and was never the favourite at any stage nor likely to be. Others put up MM for Market Mover, and it isn't the MM at all. I haven't worked out Bill Hill's takeout, but they've got some horrible odds. Last night I backed Diway in France and got $2.05, it was $2.60 with other bookies. I noticed today they have removed the tote odds.... 1 Diway | $0.00w $0.00p 2 Verti Chop | $0.00p 3 Surewecan | $0.00p *Mid Tote Dividend I also backed Glamorous Scandal @$5.00 fixed, it paid $6.00 elsewhere. Total Stake $400.00 Bet Type Fixed Win Price $5.00 Status Win Event Turffontein race 2 Sport Horse Racing Crazy stuff. One could say it's my fault, but I never have multiple browsers or tabs open when betting, as their tracking software logs this. I don't want them to know what I'm doing with other bookies etc. Lindsay From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com ] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Wednesday, 13 December 2017 7:43 AM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: Re: [AusRace] Luxbet My brain playing up - that's UBet, not Unibet. From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com ] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Wednesday, 13 December 2017 7:27 AM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: Re: [AusRace] Luxbet Lindsay, you are "lucky" to get boosted odds and other promotions - I am not even allowed to "cash out" with Unibet (can with Bzero) despite bets clearly being shown as "Cash Out available" when I bet - a complaint only resulted in them pointing to their T&C, nowhere within do they say they can deceive you. The ACCC, and of course the hopelessly compromised NTRC will do nothing. The Ubet ban on Cash Out followed my cashing out two bets: $150 win cashed out for $306 and $150 place cashed out for $299. The horse won, and had the bets stood I'd have collected $5100 and $1425, meaning my poor judgement saved UBet $5920, so they respond by banning me; their logic beats me. Here's BZero cancelling a $1.24 bet: We are contacting you regarding bet ID GG3333240710I placed at the odds of 814.00 on All Vegas (Fixed Win Race 2 Stawell). We have identified that this selection was placed at incorrect odds and as such, in accordance with our rules, will be settled at the revised odds of 81.00. If you would like to cancel this bet prior to the start of the event then please contact us. My response: Cancel my $1.24 bet. How pathetic - you had it at $1.35 Cash-out, so a theoretical $0.11 "mistake". Wow, what a Mickey Mouse organisation you must be - taking the time and effort to adjust a $1.24 bet, compose a letter and email me, read my reply, and now cancel. All for a theoretical (at your Cash-out odds) 11 cents ($0.11). Or if you think your $0.11 was wrong, You could have put $12.50 on with another, proper, bookmaker (if one still exists) to cover a possible $1,000 loss ($12.50 @ 81.00 = $1,000 loss/win). $12.50 - $1.24! That would be your maximum risk! What hourly rate do you pay the staff handling this? Here's BZero's paying my Cash Out amounts to my account: [cid:image001.png at 01D2E51D.6B2BCA90 ] They took the money back from my account, and substituted $30 for the $25k etc. I accept this was a mistake and they are entitled to reclaim the payout, but pointed out to them that they enticed me to Cash Out with their quotes, and that I would NEVER Cash Out for $30 etc, calculated what it would have paid had I not cashed, and asked that they pay that amount. They refused and offered a $20 bonus which I did not bother claiming. Pathetic, incompetent, unconscionable, With my rapidly diminishing brainpower, on my worst day, drunk or hangover, I would be still be better than these jerks. From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com ] On Behalf Of Race Stats Sent: Tuesday, 12 December 2017 11:00 PM To: AusRace Racing Discussion List Subject: Re: [AusRace] Luxbet Len, it paid $17.00 fixed odds on Unibet and $17.70 on the tote. Hilarious, I had a boosted odds bet rejected on Dalby R3/4, it was a big firmer in their market. It ran nowhere, but I had my bet reduced by half. But I still collected a reasonable profit by laying it on Betfair. So they cost themselves around $500 by reducing the wager. This has happened many times, you'd think they'd want the cash or do they only want $5 or $10 punters? Lindsay From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com ] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Tuesday, 12 December 2017 4:26 PM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: Re: [AusRace] Luxbet Update - Luxbet paid up, so the trading team was overruled. Thankfully, because I'd have had to appeal to the NTRC, which makes the CSA look like a beacon of unbiased adjudication. Today's snowflakes story: I put $34 on at 31.00 (MBL max) on Warr 3/2 with SB, who turned it to 18.00 (that would be their autobot I presume). The lemmings followed across the board - behemoths like WH and Crown and NTRC's go-to comparison in appeals, TopSport, inter alia, turned it down virtually immediately, to 19.00 - 26.00 range (.All except BZero, who, as is usually the case, stuck to their assessment of 31.00. not turning it down until 60 minutes later, oh and newcomer SportsBetting, which has taken over ClassicBet's mantel of fauxodds at 18.40). . It is most unlikely other punters bet at the same time as I did, so it seems that no-one except BZero and SB have opinions. $34 causes such a flurry! Snowflakes is too generous. LBL From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com ] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Monday, 11 December 2017 9:53 AM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: Re: [AusRace] Luxbet One more point - all my bets are vetted and individually approved, rejected or partially accepted manually by them, whether for $1 or $1000, even when within the MBL limits. Summary: Lux continued to bet place on a 4-horse field after a late scratching (it was already taken out of the market I bet into, so no deductions apply), with a market>200%, at a price less than TAB, which also continued to bet place. They declared my bet a loss despite the horse running second. Upon my complaint, instead of paying me, they voided the bet. My bet was vetted and accepted by Luxbet by staff who had, or should have had, the same information as I, or almost certainly more. LBL From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com ] On Behalf Of Race Stats Sent: Sunday, 10 December 2017 2:59 PM To: AusRace Racing Discussion List Subject: Re: [AusRace] Luxbet Wow, Len that's just fraud in my opinion. A fibre optic cable does not interfere with being paid, that could have been rectified. Never ever heard of not being paid for a second placing in a field of 5. Actually of all the bookies, I had won a 5 figure sum off them and they never limited my account, so I have (had) them on my list as one of the best bookies around. Classic Bet being the worst in my experience. They won't take you on to lose more than $100 if you're even a little bit up with them. Thanks for the alert, I will be watching them closely from now on. Lindsay From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com ] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Sunday, 10 December 2017 8:06 AM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: [AusRace] Luxbet I recently gave a "thumbs up" to Luxbet. I retract it. On 6/12/2017, they offered $2.00 the place about Ipswich 6/3, which I took. The horse came 2nd, which by any rational measure is a place. Luxbet classified it as a losing bet and kept the money. I pointed out the wrongness of that, and my stake was refunded, thus I back a winner and do not win with Luxbet. What was the problem one may wonder. Lux says "From my understanding a fibre optic cable under St. Kilda road was damaged and as such resulted in some software issues". No I'm not making that up, my imagination is not that vivid. They follow up with "In this instance, your bet will be void. Luxbet does not pay a place for a field of less than five". No, they just take bets on fields of less than 5 and keep the stake unless the mug punter complains. How many others did not pick up that they were not paid? PS, QLD tote paid 2.90 - so not only was I cheated, I'd taken massive "unders".. LBL -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Lindsay From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Friday, 15 December 2017 3:33 PM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: [AusRace] Luxbet No more posts on Luxbet! Start of the cleanout? In case you have an account and have not been notified, they are closed for business from 22/12, so withdraw your money while you can. Due to a fibre optic cable misbehaving? [AusRace] Luxbet Race Stats RaceStats at hotmail.com Wed Dec 13 11:26:34 AEDT 2017 * Previous message (by thread): [AusRace] Luxbet * Next message (by thread): [AusRace] Hayden Haitana * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] ________________________________ Crazy stuff Len. The boosted odds was with WH. You've really got to watch these guys, they put up false favourites hoping to lure the punter in. They had a favourite at $3.00 opening quote which ended up being double figure odds and was never the favourite at any stage nor likely to be. Others put up MM for Market Mover, and it isn't the MM at all. I haven't worked out Bill Hill's takeout, but they've got some horrible odds. Last night I backed Diway in France and got $2.05, it was $2.60 with other bookies. I noticed today they have removed the tote odds.... 1 Diway | $0.00w $0.00p 2 Verti Chop | $0.00p 3 Surewecan | $0.00p *Mid Tote Dividend I also backed Glamorous Scandal @$5.00 fixed, it paid $6.00 elsewhere. Total Stake $400.00 Bet Type Fixed Win Price $5.00 Status Win Event Turffontein race 2 Sport Horse Racing Crazy stuff. One could say it's my fault, but I never have multiple browsers or tabs open when betting, as their tracking software logs this. I don't want them to know what I'm doing with other bookies etc. Lindsay From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Wednesday, 13 December 2017 7:43 AM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: Re: [AusRace] Luxbet My brain playing up - that's UBet, not Unibet. From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Wednesday, 13 December 2017 7:27 AM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: Re: [AusRace] Luxbet Lindsay, you are "lucky" to get boosted odds and other promotions - I am not even allowed to "cash out" with Unibet (can with Bzero) despite bets clearly being shown as "Cash Out available" when I bet - a complaint only resulted in them pointing to their T&C, nowhere within do they say they can deceive you. The ACCC, and of course the hopelessly compromised NTRC will do nothing. The Ubet ban on Cash Out followed my cashing out two bets: $150 win cashed out for $306 and $150 place cashed out for $299. The horse won, and had the bets stood I'd have collected $5100 and $1425, meaning my poor judgement saved UBet $5920, so they respond by banning me; their logic beats me. Here's BZero cancelling a $1.24 bet: We are contacting you regarding bet ID GG3333240710I placed at the odds of 814.00 on All Vegas (Fixed Win Race 2 Stawell). We have identified that this selection was placed at incorrect odds and as such, in accordance with our rules, will be settled at the revised odds of 81.00. If you would like to cancel this bet prior to the start of the event then please contact us. My response: Cancel my $1.24 bet. How pathetic - you had it at $1.35 Cash-out, so a theoretical $0.11 "mistake". Wow, what a Mickey Mouse organisation you must be - taking the time and effort to adjust a $1.24 bet, compose a letter and email me, read my reply, and now cancel. All for a theoretical (at your Cash-out odds) 11 cents ($0.11). Or if you think your $0.11 was wrong, You could have put $12.50 on with another, proper, bookmaker (if one still exists) to cover a possible $1,000 loss ($12.50 @ 81.00 = $1,000 loss/win). $12.50 - $1.24! That would be your maximum risk! What hourly rate do you pay the staff handling this? Here's BZero's paying my Cash Out amounts to my account: [cid:image001.png at 01D2E51D.6B2BCA90] They took the money back from my account, and substituted $30 for the $25k etc. I accept this was a mistake and they are entitled to reclaim the payout, but pointed out to them that they enticed me to Cash Out with their quotes, and that I would NEVER Cash Out for $30 etc, calculated what it would have paid had I not cashed, and asked that they pay that amount. They refused and offered a $20 bonus which I did not bother claiming. Pathetic, incompetent, unconscionable, With my rapidly diminishing brainpower, on my worst day, drunk or hangover, I would be still be better than these jerks. From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of Race Stats Sent: Tuesday, 12 December 2017 11:00 PM To: AusRace Racing Discussion List Subject: Re: [AusRace] Luxbet Len, it paid $17.00 fixed odds on Unibet and $17.70 on the tote. Hilarious, I had a boosted odds bet rejected on Dalby R3/4, it was a big firmer in their market. It ran nowhere, but I had my bet reduced by half. But I still collected a reasonable profit by laying it on Betfair. So they cost themselves around $500 by reducing the wager. This has happened many times, you'd think they'd want the cash or do they only want $5 or $10 punters? Lindsay From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Tuesday, 12 December 2017 4:26 PM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: Re: [AusRace] Luxbet Update - Luxbet paid up, so the trading team was overruled. Thankfully, because I'd have had to appeal to the NTRC, which makes the CSA look like a beacon of unbiased adjudication. Today's snowflakes story: I put $34 on at 31.00 (MBL max) on Warr 3/2 with SB, who turned it to 18.00 (that would be their autobot I presume). The lemmings followed across the board - behemoths like WH and Crown and NTRC's go-to comparison in appeals, TopSport, inter alia, turned it down virtually immediately, to 19.00 - 26.00 range (.All except BZero, who, as is usually the case, stuck to their assessment of 31.00. not turning it down until 60 minutes later, oh and newcomer SportsBetting, which has taken over ClassicBet's mantel of fauxodds at 18.40). . It is most unlikely other punters bet at the same time as I did, so it seems that no-one except BZero and SB have opinions. $34 causes such a flurry! Snowflakes is too generous. LBL From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Monday, 11 December 2017 9:53 AM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: Re: [AusRace] Luxbet One more point - all my bets are vetted and individually approved, rejected or partially accepted manually by them, whether for $1 or $1000, even when within the MBL limits. Summary: Lux continued to bet place on a 4-horse field after a late scratching (it was already taken out of the market I bet into, so no deductions apply), with a market>200%, at a price less than TAB, which also continued to bet place. They declared my bet a loss despite the horse running second. Upon my complaint, instead of paying me, they voided the bet. My bet was vetted and accepted by Luxbet by staff who had, or should have had, the same information as I, or almost certainly more. LBL From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of Race Stats Sent: Sunday, 10 December 2017 2:59 PM To: AusRace Racing Discussion List Subject: Re: [AusRace] Luxbet Wow, Len that's just fraud in my opinion. A fibre optic cable does not interfere with being paid, that could have been rectified. Never ever heard of not being paid for a second placing in a field of 5. Actually of all the bookies, I had won a 5 figure sum off them and they never limited my account, so I have (had) them on my list as one of the best bookies around. Classic Bet being the worst in my experience. They won't take you on to lose more than $100 if you're even a little bit up with them. Thanks for the alert, I will be watching them closely from now on. Lindsay From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Sunday, 10 December 2017 8:06 AM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: [AusRace] Luxbet I recently gave a "thumbs up" to Luxbet. I retract it. On 6/12/2017, they offered $2.00 the place about Ipswich 6/3, which I took. The horse came 2nd, which by any rational measure is a place. Luxbet classified it as a losing bet and kept the money. I pointed out the wrongness of that, and my stake was refunded, thus I back a winner and do not win with Luxbet. What was the problem one may wonder. Lux says "From my understanding a fibre optic cable under St. Kilda road was damaged and as such resulted in some software issues". No I'm not making that up, my imagination is not that vivid. They follow up with "In this instance, your bet will be void. Luxbet does not pay a place for a field of less than five". No, they just take bets on fields of less than 5 and keep the stake unless the mug punter complains. How many others did not pick up that they were not paid? PS, QLD tote paid 2.90 - so not only was I cheated, I'd taken massive "unders".. LBL -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 53877 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From norsaintpublishing at gmail.com Fri Dec 15 17:14:01 2017 From: norsaintpublishing at gmail.com (norsaintpublishing at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 17:14:01 +1100 Subject: [AusRace] Luxbet In-Reply-To: References: <000c01d3755d$c890af90$59b20eb0$@com.au> Message-ID: I can vaguely remember hearing TAB corps annual report being discussed on radio earlier in the year and think Luxbet was losing money. Sent with Mailtrack On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 5:07 PM, Race Stats wrote: > ?The review has determined that Luxbet is no longer aligned with the > long-term strategic interests of Tabcorp and as a result, Luxbet will be > closed.? > > It doesn?t say what those longterm prospects are?.no more boosted odds nor > bonuses ruining their business or a greater stake in the pokies and > lotteries. > > I think it?s both imho. > > Lindsay > > > > > > *From:* Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] *On Behalf Of * > L.B.Loveday > *Sent:* Friday, 15 December 2017 3:33 PM > *To:* 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' > *Subject:* [AusRace] Luxbet > > > > No more posts on Luxbet! Start of the cleanout? > > > > In case you have an account and have not been notified, they are closed > for business from 22/12, so withdraw your money while you can. > > > > Due to a fibre optic cable misbehaving? > > > [AusRace] Luxbet > > *Race Stats* RaceStats at hotmail.com > > *Wed Dec 13 11:26:34 AEDT 2017* > > - Previous message (by thread): [AusRace] Luxbet > > - Next message (by thread): [AusRace] Hayden Haitana > > - *Messages sorted by:* [ date ] > [ > thread ] > [ > subject ] > [ > author ] > > > ------------------------------ > > Crazy stuff Len. > > The boosted odds was with WH. > > You've really got to watch these guys, they put up false favourites hoping to lure the punter in. > > They had a favourite at $3.00 opening quote which ended up being double figure odds and was never the favourite at any stage nor likely to be. > > Others put up MM for Market Mover, and it isn't the MM at all. > > I haven't worked out Bill Hill's takeout, but they've got some horrible odds. > > Last night I backed Diway in France and got $2.05, it was $2.60 with other bookies. > > I noticed today they have removed the tote odds.... > > > > 1 Diway | $0.00w $0.00p 2 Verti Chop | $0.00p 3 Surewecan | $0.00p *Mid Tote Dividend > > > > I also backed Glamorous Scandal @$5.00 fixed, it paid $6.00 elsewhere. > > Total Stake $400.00 > > Bet Type Fixed Win > > Price $5.00 > > Status Win > > Event Turffontein race 2 > > Sport Horse Racing > > > > Crazy stuff. > > One could say it's my fault, but I never have multiple browsers or tabs open when betting, as their tracking software logs this. > > I don't want them to know what I'm doing with other bookies etc. > > Lindsay > > > > From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com ] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday > > Sent: Wednesday, 13 December 2017 7:43 AM > > To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' > > Subject: Re: [AusRace] Luxbet > > > > My brain playing up - that's UBet, not Unibet. > > > > From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com ] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday > > Sent: Wednesday, 13 December 2017 7:27 AM > > To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' > > Subject: Re: [AusRace] Luxbet > > > > Lindsay, you are "lucky" to get boosted odds and other promotions - I am not even allowed to "cash out" with Unibet (can with Bzero) despite bets clearly being shown as "Cash Out available" when I bet - a complaint only resulted in them pointing to their T&C, nowhere within do they say they can deceive you. The ACCC, and of course the hopelessly compromised NTRC will do nothing. > > > > The Ubet ban on Cash Out followed my cashing out two bets: > > $150 win cashed out for $306 and $150 place cashed out for $299. The horse won, and had the bets stood I'd have collected $5100 and $1425, meaning my poor judgement saved UBet $5920, so they respond by banning me; their logic beats me. > > > > Here's BZero cancelling a $1.24 bet: > > > > We are contacting you regarding bet ID GG3333240710I placed at the odds of 814.00 on All Vegas (Fixed Win Race 2 Stawell). We have identified that this selection was placed at incorrect odds and as such, in accordance with our rules, will be settled at the revised odds of 81.00. > > If you would like to cancel this bet prior to the start of the event then please contact us. > > > > My response: > > > > Cancel my $1.24 bet. How pathetic - you had it at $1.35 Cash-out, so a theoretical $0.11 "mistake". > > > > Wow, what a Mickey Mouse organisation you must be - taking the time and effort to adjust a $1.24 bet, compose a letter and email me, read my reply, and now cancel. All for a theoretical (at your Cash-out odds) 11 cents ($0.11). > > > > Or if you think your $0.11 was wrong, You could have put $12.50 on with another, proper, bookmaker (if one still exists) to cover a possible $1,000 loss ($12.50 @ 81.00 = $1,000 loss/win). $12.50 - $1.24! That would be your maximum risk! What hourly rate do you pay the staff handling this? > > > > > > Here's BZero's paying my Cash Out amounts to my account: > > > > [cid:image001.png at 01D2E51D.6B2BCA90 ] > > They took the money back from my account, and substituted $30 for the $25k etc. I accept this was a mistake and they are entitled to reclaim the payout, but pointed out to them that they enticed me to Cash Out with their quotes, and that I would NEVER Cash Out for $30 etc, calculated what it would have paid had I not cashed, and asked that they pay that amount. They refused and offered a $20 bonus which I did not bother claiming. > > > > Pathetic, incompetent, unconscionable, With my rapidly diminishing brainpower, on my worst day, drunk or hangover, I would be still be better than these jerks. > > > > From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com ] On Behalf Of Race Stats > > Sent: Tuesday, 12 December 2017 11:00 PM > > To: AusRace Racing Discussion List > > Subject: Re: [AusRace] Luxbet > > > > Len, it paid $17.00 fixed odds on Unibet and $17.70 on the tote. > > Hilarious, I had a boosted odds bet rejected on Dalby R3/4, it was a big firmer in their market. > > It ran nowhere, but I had my bet reduced by half. > > But I still collected a reasonable profit by laying it on Betfair. > > So they cost themselves around $500 by reducing the wager. > > This has happened many times, you'd think they'd want the cash or do they only want $5 or $10 punters? > > Lindsay > > > > > > From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com ] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday > > Sent: Tuesday, 12 December 2017 4:26 PM > > To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' > > Subject: Re: [AusRace] Luxbet > > > > Update - Luxbet paid up, so the trading team was overruled. Thankfully, because I'd have had to appeal to the NTRC, which makes the CSA look like a beacon of unbiased adjudication. > > > > Today's snowflakes story: > > > > I put $34 on at 31.00 (MBL max) on Warr 3/2 with SB, who turned it to 18.00 (that would be their autobot I presume). The lemmings followed across the board - behemoths like WH and Crown and NTRC's go-to comparison in appeals, TopSport, inter alia, turned it down virtually immediately, to 19.00 - 26.00 range (.All except BZero, who, as is usually the case, stuck to their assessment of 31.00. not turning it down until 60 minutes later, oh and newcomer SportsBetting, which has taken over ClassicBet's mantel of fauxodds at 18.40). . > > > > It is most unlikely other punters bet at the same time as I did, so it seems that no-one except BZero and SB have opinions. $34 causes such a flurry! Snowflakes is too generous. > > > > LBL > > > > > > From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com ] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday > > Sent: Monday, 11 December 2017 9:53 AM > > To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' > > Subject: Re: [AusRace] Luxbet > > > > One more point - all my bets are vetted and individually approved, rejected or partially accepted manually by them, whether for $1 or $1000, even when within the MBL limits. > > > > Summary: > > Lux continued to bet place on a 4-horse field after a late scratching (it was already taken out of the market I bet into, so no deductions apply), with a market>200%, at a price less than TAB, which also continued to bet place. > > They declared my bet a loss despite the horse running second. > > Upon my complaint, instead of paying me, they voided the bet. > > My bet was vetted and accepted by Luxbet by staff who had, or should have had, the same information as I, or almost certainly more. > > > > > > LBL > > > > From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com ] On Behalf Of Race Stats > > Sent: Sunday, 10 December 2017 2:59 PM > > To: AusRace Racing Discussion List > > Subject: Re: [AusRace] Luxbet > > > > Wow, Len that's just fraud in my opinion. > > A fibre optic cable does not interfere with being paid, that could have been rectified. > > Never ever heard of not being paid for a second placing in a field of 5. > > Actually of all the bookies, I had won a 5 figure sum off them and they never limited my account, so I have (had) them on my list as one of the best bookies around. Classic Bet being the worst in my experience. They won't take you on to lose more than $100 if you're even a little bit up with them. > > Thanks for the alert, I will be watching them closely from now on. > > Lindsay > > > > From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com ] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday > > Sent: Sunday, 10 December 2017 8:06 AM > > To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' > > Subject: [AusRace] Luxbet > > > > I recently gave a "thumbs up" to Luxbet. > > > > I retract it. > > > > On 6/12/2017, they offered $2.00 the place about Ipswich 6/3, which I took. The horse came 2nd, which by any rational measure is a place. > > > > Luxbet classified it as a losing bet and kept the money. > > > > I pointed out the wrongness of that, and my stake was refunded, thus I back a winner and do not win with Luxbet. > > > > What was the problem one may wonder. Lux says "From my understanding a fibre optic cable under St. Kilda road was damaged and as such resulted in some software issues". No I'm not making that up, my imagination is not that vivid. > > > > They follow up with "In this instance, your bet will be void. Luxbet does not pay a place for a field of less than five". No, they just take bets on fields of less than 5 and keep the stake unless the mug punter complains. How many others did not pick up that they were not paid? > > > > PS, QLD tote paid 2.90 - so not only was I cheated, I'd taken massive "unders".. > > > > > > LBL > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: image001.png > > Type: image/png > > Size: 53877 bytes > > Desc: image001.png > > URL: > > > > _______________________________________________ > Racing mailing list > Racing at ausrace.com > http://ausrace.com/mailman/listinfo/racing_ausrace.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lloveday at ozemail.com.au Sat Dec 16 10:12:08 2017 From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2017 10:12:08 +1100 Subject: [AusRace] Luxbet In-Reply-To: References: <000c01d3755d$c890af90$59b20eb0$@com.au> Message-ID: <006701d375fa$21e5f9f0$65b1edd0$@com.au> Darwin Race 1: BZero open up at 5pm yesterday. This morning SB open up with exactly the same prices at 9:30; 10 minutes later Lux open up with exactly the same prices. Not a lot of opinions amongst the whiz-kids. Group-think? : From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of Race Stats Sent: Friday, 15 December 2017 5:08 PM To: AusRace Racing Discussion List Subject: Re: [AusRace] Luxbet "The review has determined that Luxbet is no longer aligned with the long-term strategic interests of Tabcorp and as a result, Luxbet will be closed." It doesn't say what those longterm prospects are..no more boosted odds nor bonuses ruining their business or a greater stake in the pokies and lotteries. I think it's both imho. Lindsay From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Friday, 15 December 2017 3:33 PM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: [AusRace] Luxbet No more posts on Luxbet! Start of the cleanout? In case you have an account and have not been notified, they are closed for business from 22/12, so withdraw your money while you can. Due to a fibre optic cable misbehaving? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From lloveday at ozemail.com.au Tue Dec 26 10:37:36 2017 From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2017 10:37:36 +1100 Subject: [AusRace] Merry Christmas Ausracers In-Reply-To: References: <000001d37d08$8b4e2100$a1ea6300$@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <006901d37dd9$5b98eb80$12cac280$@com.au> Hope you both enjoyed the day, but what lousy Christmas presents we got - Luxbet with its 250% place markets gone forever and for all. BZero's Official Price Guarantee, a bonanza since the new "SP" regime came in in May, gone for everyone I know of. BZero's Multiple bets maximum reduced from $1 to $0.00 for everyone I know of - $1 may not seem much, but with a 10-fold you could bet $3,144 From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of Race Stats Sent: Monday, 25 December 2017 10:59 AM To: AusRace Racing Discussion List Subject: Re: [AusRace] Merry Christmas Ausracers Merry Christmas to you and your family Tony and to all on this list. Hope you enjoy the day, and please be safe. Lindsay. From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of Tony Moffat Sent: Monday, 25 December 2017 9:43 AM To: racing at ausrace.com Subject: [AusRace] Merry Christmas Ausracers Ausracers everywhere Merry Christmas from the Moffats Tony and Anne Sandra,Michael,Michelle,Gavin,Wayne,Natalie Robert, Leela,Amber,Jasmine,Stephanie,Ashleigh,Nicholas. Virus-free. www.avg.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peterrs1 at yahoo.com.au Tue Dec 26 15:45:43 2017 From: peterrs1 at yahoo.com.au (peter russell) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2017 04:45:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AusRace] Credit Betting to be closed with Corporates. References: <2067867102.3741299.1514263543546.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2067867102.3741299.1514263543546@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks to our Govt I will have to find another way to fund my betting.It will be a nuisance keeping money in a few accounts or using a debit card if short of funds.Sportsbet is the first and the others by Feb 2018.Peter. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From RaceStats at hotmail.com Wed Dec 27 00:58:06 2017 From: RaceStats at hotmail.com (Race Stats) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2017 13:58:06 +0000 Subject: [AusRace] Credit Betting to be closed with Corporates. In-Reply-To: <2067867102.3741299.1514263543546@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2067867102.3741299.1514263543546.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2067867102.3741299.1514263543546@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, It?s really getting ridiculous, what about successful punters? rights. The new Interactive Gambling Legislation means I cannot get on any casino sites, nor use any UK based bookmakers. Everybody rabbiting on about Equal Rights recently, what about our rights? A nanny State and a nanny Country, I no longer have choices, the politicians know what?s best for us as a group, not as an individual. Lindsay From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of peter russell Sent: Tuesday, 26 December 2017 3:46 PM To: racing at ausrace.com Subject: [AusRace] Credit Betting to be closed with Corporates. Thanks to our Govt I will have to find another way to fund my betting. It will be a nuisance keeping money in a few accounts or using a debit card if short of funds. Sportsbet is the first and the others by Feb 2018. Peter. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lloveday at ozemail.com.au Wed Dec 27 20:13:56 2017 From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 20:13:56 +1100 Subject: [AusRace] Credit Betting to be closed with Corporates. In-Reply-To: References: <2067867102.3741299.1514263543546.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2067867102.3741299.1514263543546@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601d37ef3$06aadcd0$14009670$@com.au> TAB seemingly joined the crooks - I backed Ipswich 9/7 at 8:51:42 (21+ minutes after final scratching time) @ 2.00, they had at that time the 4 runners at 13.0, 21.0, 2.10, 2.00 = 111%, pretty much par for a 4 horse field. Sportsbet shows the scratching times and deductions as: 7:08 0 7:30 10% 8:20 20% 8:30 24% TAB's final prices for the 4 were 6.0, 19.0, 4.0, 3.30, so if TAB claims they were in the market I bet into, the market% would have been 187%, and they NEVER have a market anywhere like that. So what did they deduct? 86%, paying out at 1.14. Yes, they paid at 1.14 foe an even money bet when the market% for the final runners at the time of the bet was 111%. There is no point in taking it up with the NTRC, as they are as crooked as the worst corporate and the simple arithmetic, let alone interpretation thereof, would be beyond them, and I had a very bad morning and broke my Golden Rule - I did not take a screen shot. LBL From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of Race Stats Sent: Wednesday, 27 December 2017 12:58 AM To: peter russell; AusRace Racing Discussion List Subject: Re: [AusRace] Credit Betting to be closed with Corporates. Hi Peter, It?s really getting ridiculous, what about successful punters? rights. The new Interactive Gambling Legislation means I cannot get on any casino sites, nor use any UK based bookmakers. Everybody rabbiting on about Equal Rights recently, what about our rights? A nanny State and a nanny Country, I no longer have choices, the politicians know what?s best for us as a group, not as an individual. Lindsay From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of peter russell Sent: Tuesday, 26 December 2017 3:46 PM To: racing at ausrace.com Subject: [AusRace] Credit Betting to be closed with Corporates. Thanks to our Govt I will have to find another way to fund my betting. It will be a nuisance keeping money in a few accounts or using a debit card if short of funds. Sportsbet is the first and the others by Feb 2018. Peter. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lloveday at ozemail.com.au Sat Dec 30 12:38:16 2017 From: lloveday at ozemail.com.au (L.B.Loveday) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 12:38:16 +1100 Subject: [AusRace] "We'll Bet You" Message-ID: <001d01d3810e$dda48bb0$98eda310$@com.au> Yes, sure you will CentreBet. I asked for $100 Randwick 1/5 @ 126.00, knocked back to $16, which is their right. CentreBet treated me with well-deserved distain and lengthened it to 151.00, obviously wanting to hold more money than my $16, so I asked for $100 at 151.00. Rejected in full, which is again their right, but why drift it if they won't take even 50c at that price? "Pathetic" does not do them justice. LBL -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From RaceStats at hotmail.com Sun Dec 31 00:02:27 2017 From: RaceStats at hotmail.com (Race Stats) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 13:02:27 +0000 Subject: [AusRace] "We'll Bet You" In-Reply-To: <001d01d3810e$dda48bb0$98eda310$@com.au> References: <001d01d3810e$dda48bb0$98eda310$@com.au> Message-ID: CentreBet and ClassicBet are the worst Len. You'd think they'd want to even their books a little because most of the action takes place on the favourite or firmers in the market. But that's never the case, their little servers and databases refer your bet to a bookmaker who rejects simply on liability, probably because you're a winning punter, but not necessarily so. Lindsay. From: Racing [mailto:racing-bounces at ausrace.com] On Behalf Of L.B.Loveday Sent: Saturday, 30 December 2017 12:38 PM To: 'AusRace Racing Discussion List' Subject: [AusRace] "We'll Bet You" Yes, sure you will CentreBet. I asked for $100 Randwick 1/5 @ 126.00, knocked back to $16, which is their right. CentreBet treated me with well-deserved distain and lengthened it to 151.00, obviously wanting to hold more money than my $16, so I asked for $100 at 151.00. Rejected in full, which is again their right, but why drift it if they won't take even 50c at that price? "Pathetic" does not do them justice. LBL -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: