[AusRace] Even superhorses dont have anti gravity powers.

[RaceStats]

Common sense = why call a system handicapping, when it doesn't.

Yes, we would know all the horses in the Melbourne Cup not just the 
favourites, because they would have all won their fair share along the way.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "r" <speedpcs at bigpond.net.au>
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Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: [AusRace] Even superhorses dont have anti gravity powers.


> Common sense = Every horse that has ability has a chance to win if placed 
> in
> his right class.
>
> Common sense = The form horses should be the horses with the best chance 
> of
> winning.
>
> Common sense = The best horses should be given the chance to win the best
> handicaps, you want to see a melbourne cup full of unknown horses???
>
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "RaceStats" <RaceStats at hotmail.com>
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> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 1:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [AusRace] Even superhorses dont have anti gravity powers.
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>> So the handicapping system is not a handicap at all.
>> No, you may as well back the highest weighted horses which are in form 
>> and
>> put all your resources into getting the very best price you can.
>> The handicapper has made actual selection easy.
>>
>> Personally, I'd like to see a complete review of the system.
>> Every horse should have a chance.
>>
>> Lindsay.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "r" <speedpcs at bigpond.net.au>
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>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 12:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AusRace] Even superhorses dont have anti gravity powers.
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>>
>>> The top weights are usually the well weighted horses, and thats the
>>> reason
>>> for the good strike rates.
>>>
>>> But you need to actually compare there weight to there form/class to
>>> access
>>> this.
>>>
>>> Otherwise you may as just back your favourite coloured horses.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Tony James" <tonyturfaccntant at yahoo.com.au>
>>> To: "AusRace Mailing List" <ausrace at ausrace.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 12:20 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AusRace] Even superhorses dont have anti gravity powers.
>>>
>>>
>>> with top and bottom weights too close in modern handicaps
>>> weight does matter in that the horses with more weight will win more
>>> races
>>> than
>>> "the well weighted horses"
>>> you only have to list saddle cloth numbers of handicap races with win
>>> strikwe rates
>>> no 1 out performs no 2 that out perfrms no 3 etc
>>> weight matters but in the reverse to what most think
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: r <speedpcs at bigpond.net.au>
>>> To: AusRace Mailing List <ausrace at ausrace.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, 28 February, 2009 11:55:46 AM
>>> Subject: [AusRace] Even superhorses dont have anti gravity powers.
>>>
>>> Mate, i can tell you with 99.9% certainty that weight does matter.
>>>
>>> Its easy to prove over a large number of races. (one race proves 
>>> nothing)
>>>
>>> Rate every horse in every race as if its carrying 55kgs, this takes away
>>> the
>>> effect of varied weights on ratings
>>>
>>> You will note that weight may actually even be underated by punters, as
>>> the
>>> well weighted horses will usually out perform the poorly weighted horses
>>> not
>>> only on preformance, but via return on investments.
>>>
>>> It may be argued people who think that weights dont matter, simply do 
>>> not
>>> know how to use stats to handicap races, including weight and its effect
>>> on
>>> margins, pace assist, racing without cover etc etc.
>>>
>>> So they just come to the saver conclusion that weights dont matter, 
>>> which
>>> is
>>> probably true for there methods of handicapping.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "John Doepel" <glenglen at iinet.net.au>
>>> To: "'AusRace Mailing List'" <ausrace at ausrace.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 11:39 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AusRace] Does weight matter - General Mack..
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Scotty,
>>>>
>>>> At last a chance to find out, definitively, once and for all, whether 
>>>> or
>>>> not
>>>> weight matters!!!! Drum roll.
>>>>
>>>> The next at Wagga - the two class harses are the 1 and the 2, and are
>>>> weighted accordingly at 60 and 59.5 with the rest of the field being 55
>>>> and
>>>> 54 before allowances.
>>>>
>>>> The 1, GM, is currently showing 7.60 and its most recent wins it has
>>>> carried
>>>> 53.5
>>>>
>>>> The 2 Stash of Gold , currently 3.40 has recently won carring 58, 59,
>>>> 59.5,
>>>> and 59.
>>>>
>>>> If weight matters the fav wins. If it doesen't the toppie.
>>>>
>>>> I will back my beliefs with a dollar each way on General Mack.., to 
>>>> whom
>>>> weight does NOT matter
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
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